Dublin Half Marathon - 15th September 2012

Hard Worker

corny wrote: »

I can't tbh. All you are doing is creating glycogen (not that much mind you) when you already have loads left over. That knackered feeling has nothing to do with you running low on usable energy.

Its a placebo as far as i'm concerned but when the test is as much mental as it is physical placebos can and do make people faster.

Many people can deplete their glycogen stores doing a half marathon.

zooming

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I'm just in from 10 very hilly miles. Awful! As I type this I'm sitting in an ice bath trying not to think of the pain!!! It took me 2 hours to do 10 miles. Thank god it's done! Think I will pick a slightly less hilly route next Sunday.

Darren 83

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zooming wrote: »

I'm just in from 10 very hilly miles. Awful! As I type this I'm sitting in an ice bath trying not to think of the pain!!! It took me 2 hours to do 10 miles. Thank god it's done! Think I will pick a slightly less hilly route next Sunday.

Well done why do you do hilly routes all the time, Couldn't do my lsr today caught some bug, Friday slowly getting over it

career_move

As somebody more important than me once said..."hills are your friend"

Darren 83

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career_move wrote: »

As somebody more important than me once said..."hills are your friend"

Why was this person more important than you?

Mr Slow

career_move wrote: »

As somebody more important than me once said..."hills are your friend"

Chinguetti!!!

zooming

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Where live there are hills in every direction! My house is high up and out in the countryside so no matter what road I take I get hills. Some routes are worse than others though today's was particularly up and down. Some of the steep ones I had to walk as my legs couldn't manage but I pushed on. My theory is its like putting money in the bank doing hard training. Maybe I should try a flatter route? Is the half marathon course very hilly?

Mr Slow

zooming wrote: »

Is the half marathon course very hilly?

No, there's a few hills on the back, end the worst is where you enter through the Kilmainham gate up to the top of Military Hill, a few miles later and you have a half mile long hill, not steep but consistent.

Dilbert75

Mr Slow wrote: »

zooming wrote: »

Is the half marathon course very hilly?

No, there's a few hills on the back, end the worst is where you enter through the Kilmainham gate up to the top of Military Hill, a few miles later and you have a half mile long hill, not steep but consistent.

Zooming I'm surrounded by hills too but I think it's great - when you get to what other runners think are massive hills they're well within your range. I did the Clonmel half today and was waiting for the hills that everyone was dreading but they were nothing compared to the hill outside my house!

career_move

Darren 83 wrote: »

Why was this person more important than you?

Haha...it was the first adjective that came into my head. I couldn't remember whose Log I had stolen it from

Micilin Muc

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zooming wrote: »

Where live there are hills in every direction! My house is high up and out in the countryside so no matter what road I take I get hills. Some routes are worse than others though today's was particularly up and down. Some of the steep ones I had to walk as my legs couldn't manage but I pushed on. My theory is its like putting money in the bank doing hard training. Maybe I should try a flatter route? Is the half marathon course very hilly?

I did a lot of my DCM '11 training on hills. It's great for building up stamina and strength but won't necessarily make you faster.

Also, hard training should always be complemented with recovery, whether it's a slower run the next day, or a day off, or crosstraining.

zooming

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I'm following Hal Higdon novice 1 plan, the only difference is I'm lengthening the Sunday runs a bit earlier, his plan asks for runs on tue/wed/thurs/Sunday and I'm sticking to that pretty much. The midweek runs are slow! This week it's 5 miles tue, 3 wed and 5 on Thursday then the long run on Sunday. I'm hoping I will get round this half marathon!!! But as Hal says.. Trust the training

Darren 83

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zooming wrote: »

Where live there are hills in every direction! My house is high up and out in the countryside so no matter what road I take I get hills. Some routes are worse than others though today's was particularly up and down. Some of the steep ones I had to walk as my legs couldn't manage but I pushed on. My theory is its like putting money in the bank doing hard training. Maybe I should try a flatter route? Is the half marathon course very hilly?

I think there is hills only ever at the zoo end of the park, maybe someone else could confirm this? if your running hills and it takes you 2 hours to do it that's good going

Micilin Muc

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Darren 83 wrote: »

I think there is hills only ever at the zoo end of the park, maybe someone else could confirm this? if your running hills and it takes you 2 hours to do it that's good going

No, the hills are at the other end of the park from the zoo. They're not that bad at all. None of them will take more than one or two minutes.

Darren 83

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Micilin Muc wrote: »

No, the hills are at the other end of the park from the zoo. They're not that bad at all. None of them will take more than one or two minutes.

Sorry phrased it wrong, I was only at Dublin Zoo so couldn't comment on the rest of the park

zooming

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What's the entry like? Is it well attended? I did the women's mini marathon in may and it was mad! 40,000 women! Phew. Hope im not last...

Darren 83

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zooming wrote: »

What's the entry like? Is it well attended? I did the women's mini marathon in may and it was mad! 40,000 women! Phew. Hope im not last...

Why are you so worried about finishing last?

RayCun

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zooming wrote: »

What's the entry like? Is it well attended?

About 6000 I think. Busy, but not insane. (If you can run even half of it you won't be anywhere near last)

Darren 83

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I was thinking of starting in the last wave, I never did a marathon before and I don't want to get in any ones way, How many waves are there and should I start in the last wave?

zooming

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Darren 83 wrote: »

I was thinking of starting in the last wave, I never did a marathon before and I don't want to get in any ones way, How many waves are there and should I start in the last wave?

I think there are 3 waves? I'm DEFINITLY going to start in the last wave, no point starting with the super fast to have them hurtle past me! In answer to your question isn't everyone afraid of finishing last?? I've never done any sort of marathon before either so it will be an education. My plan is to start nice and easy and make sure I heve enough in the tank to finish....

Darren 83

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zooming wrote: »

I think there are 3 waves? I'm DEFINITLY going to start in the last wave, no point starting with the super fast to have them hurtle past me! In answer to your question isn't everyone afraid of finishing last?? I've never done any sort of marathon before either so it will be an education. My plan is to start nice and easy and make sure I heve enough in the tank to finish....

If I start in the last wave and If I pass people at least I know it was down to me , I'm sure some people will walk/run it, If you are capable of doing 10 miles with out stopping you should pass a few people

zooming

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Darren 83 wrote: »

zooming wrote: »

I think there are 3 waves? I'm DEFINITLY going to start in the last wave, no point starting with the super fast to have them hurtle past me! In answer to your question isn't everyone afraid of finishing last?? I've never done any sort of marathon before either so it will be an education. My plan is to start nice and easy and make sure I heve enough in the tank to finish....

If I start in the last wave and If I pass people at least I know it was down to me , I'm sure some people will walk/run it, If you are capable of doing 10 miles with out stopping you should pass a few people

Yep sure that sounds good though I doubt I will be passing anyone! Hope you got over your sickness

RayCun

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Darren 83 wrote: »

I was thinking of starting in the last wave, I never did a marathon before and I don't want to get in any ones way, How many waves are there and should I start in the last wave?

3 waves (and it's a half marathon )
Pretty sure the waves will be under 100 minutes, 100-120 minutes, and over 120 minutes.

delta_bravo

RayCun wrote: »

Darren 83 wrote: »

I was thinking of starting in the last wave, I never did a marathon before and I don't want to get in any ones way, How many waves are there and should I start in the last wave?

3 waves (and it's a half marathon )
Pretty sure the waves will be under 100 minutes, 100-120 minutes, and over 120 minutes.

Just a query for those that have done it before. Is this half marathon harder or easier than doing the first half of the Dublin marathon route? It seems much more hilly than parts of the actual Dublin marathon

RedRunner

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delta_bravo wrote: »

Just a query for those that have done it before. Is this half marathon harder or easier than doing the first half of the Dublin marathon route? It seems much more hilly than parts of the actual Dublin marathon

Did DCM last year and half marathons in 2010 and last year. I think this year's route for half is same as 2010 route.

I would say that the half marathon is more difficult than the first half of actual DCM. I guess it is a matter of opinion though.

RayCun

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RedRunner wrote: »

I would say that the half marathon is more difficult than the first half of actual DCM. I guess it is a matter of opinion though.

DCM starts at the level of the river, climbs slowly to the level of the park, drops down to cross the river and climbs again immediately afterwards.

The half is fairly flat for the first half, then drops down to the level of the river, and climbs up again soon afterwards.

So there's more climbing in DCM, but what hills there are in the half are in the last few miles.

RedRunner

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RayCun wrote: »

DCM starts at the level of the river, climbs slowly to the level of the park, drops down to cross the river and climbs again immediately afterwards.

The half is fairly flat for the first half, then drops down to the level of the river, and climbs up again soon afterwards.

So there's more climbing in DCM, but what hills there are in the half are in the last few miles.

I suppose it is the last climb of the half that lingers in my memory most rather than longer gradual drags of DCM although come to think of it there was nasty hill at ballyfermot I think(after the tunnel) and Heartbreak hill of course at back of UCD.

Safe to say though that the hills in the half are good preparation for DCM and people should try and incorporate some hills into their LSRs in training.

Darren 83

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zooming wrote: »

Yep sure that sounds good though I doubt I will be passing anyone! Hope you got over your sickness

Over the bug I caught wasn't running for four days, Did just over 9 miles today. I'm sure you will pass people, fairly certain there will be many people running to quick at the start and will not be able to continue that pace. I'd say it happens every year.

zooming

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Darren 83 wrote: »

zooming wrote: »

Yep sure that sounds good though I doubt I will be passing anyone! Hope you got over your sickness

Over the bug I caught wasn't running for four days, Did just over 9 miles today. I'm sure you will pass people, fairly certain there will be many people running to quick at the start and will not be able to continue that pace. I'd say it happens every year.

I'm sure you are right! It will be an AMAZING achievement to do it!

Mr Slow

RedRunner wrote: »

I think this year's route for half is same as 2010 route..

It isn't!

RedRunner

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Mr Slow wrote: »

It isn't!

Oops!:o

Memory is obviously going. I thought I read somewhere that it was. Maybe I am mixing it up with DCM as I think that changed slightly last year cos of roadworks in the park.

Thanks for the correction.

Mr Slow

RedRunner wrote: »

Oops!:o

Memory is obviously going. I thought I read somewhere that it was. Maybe I am mixing it up with DCM as I think that changed slightly last year cos of roadworks in the park.

Thanks for the correction.

No bother, the DCM route is the same as 2010 but the half course is new with spells outside the park just for laughs

zooming

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I'm interested in the type of training you are all doing, what sort of mileage are you at this stage etc?

Darren 83

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zooming wrote: »

I'm interested in the type of training you are all doing, what sort of mileage are you at this stage etc?

Do you cross train?

zooming

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Darren 83 wrote: »

zooming wrote: »

I'm interested in the type of training you are all doing, what sort of mileage are you at this stage etc?

Do you cross train?

Like what? My training this week is as follows
Monday rest
Tuesday 5 miles
Wednesday 3 miles
Thursday 5 miles
Friday rest
Saturday light gym work
Sunday 10 miles

Darren 83

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zooming wrote: »

Like what? My training this week is as follows
Monday rest
Tuesday 5 miles
Wednesday 3 miles
Thursday 5 miles
Friday rest
Saturday light gym work
Sunday 10 miles

What does light gym work consist off?

zooming

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Darren 83 wrote: »

zooming wrote: »

Like what? My training this week is as follows
Monday rest
Tuesday 5 miles
Wednesday 3 miles
Thursday 5 miles
Friday rest
Saturday light gym work
Sunday 10 miles

What does light gym work consist off?

Usually 20 mins on bike and some weights, mostly upper body

Darren 83

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zooming wrote: »

Usually 20 mins on bike and some weights, mostly upper body

I use cycling as my cross training, I do about 17 miles. When you start cycling, you’re using muscles in your legs and core that complement the muscles used for running, making you stronger, more efficient, and yes — faster.

zooming

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Darren 83 wrote: »

I use cycling as my cross training, I do about 17 miles. When you start cycling, you’re using muscles in your legs and core that complement the muscles used for running, making you stronger, more efficient, and yes — faster.

Wow must try that!!

zooming

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Crap! Crap! Crap!
What an AWFUL 5 miles, walked half of it. Lead legs, nauseous and generally I felt terrible. It's making me question this whole thing. On Tuesday I had a great 5 miles in 56 mins and felt happy. Today... Rubbish

Darren 83

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zooming wrote: »

Crap! Crap! Crap!
What an AWFUL 5 miles, walked half of it. Lead legs, nauseous and generally I felt terrible. It's making me question this whole thing. On Tuesday I had a great 5 miles in 56 mins and felt happy. Today... Rubbish

I had a bad run yesterday, everyone has bad runs just shake it off

"Running is real and relatively simple - but it ain't easy."

zooming

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It was really awful, I just felt like I had no legs! Im aiming for 11 on Sunday, Im hoping 2 rest days tomorrow and Saturday will help

Darren 83

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zooming wrote: »

It was really awful, I just felt like I had no legs! Im aiming for 11 on Sunday, Im hoping 2 rest days tomorrow and Saturday will help

Don't be harsh on you're self , Doubt there is any runners on boards that didn't have a bad run

zooming

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Guys I'm SERIOUSLY bricking it in relation to this half....
Can I do it?
I've not done enough training...
I'm slow....
Arggghhh!
Anyone else the same?

Darren 83

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zooming wrote: »

Guys I'm SERIOUSLY bricking it in relation to this half....
Can I do it?
I've not done enough training...
I'm slow....
Arggghhh!
Anyone else the same?

You will be grand on race day, don't worry about the race just enjoy it.

Mr Slow

zooming wrote: »

Guys I'm SERIOUSLY bricking it in relation to this half....
Can I do it?
I've not done enough training...
I'm slow....
Arggghhh!
Anyone else the same?

It's the fastest course the park can offer, you'll be fine.

Dilbert75

zooming wrote: »

Guys I'm SERIOUSLY bricking it in relation to this half....
Can I do it?
I've not done enough training...
I'm slow....
Arggghhh!
Anyone else the same?

You can do it.
You have done enough training.
Slow is relative. You'll be faster than everyone who didn't bother shifting their backsides off the sofa.

Enjoy the day!

zooming

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Thanks guys... Suppose a few others will have the head staggers before the 15th. How many on here will if be a first HM?

OldBloke

Its my First HM - I'm doing the Frank Duffy 10 miler this Saturday. I reckon about 2.20 -2.30 for the HM - comparitivley speaking that may be slow but I'm not comparing myself to anyone else Im just doing it for me and if I'm last then so be it - someone has to be.

RedRunner

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OldBloke wrote: »

Its my First HM - I'm doing the Frank Duffy 10 miler this Saturday. I reckon about 2.20 -2.30 for the HM - comparitivley speaking that may be slow but I'm not comparing myself to anyone else Im just doing it for me and if I'm last then so be it - someone has to be.

That's the spirit!