Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12 MOD POST #1130

Kess73

PRAF wrote: »

There are risks to having a shared stadium I suppose, however, I think it would actually be less risky (financially) than building your own stadium. Modern stadia seem to be in the 300-400m price range. I can see massive benefits of only spending 150-200, getting a bigger and better stadium (65-70k perhaps), and using the leftover cash to invest in the first team?

I accept it would take vision and leadership in order to convince the fans that it would be a good idea. However, it seems to work perfectly well in Milan for example so why not Liverpool?

A shared stadium is the exception in soccer rather than the rule. If it was such a good idea, on every level, do you not think there would be a lot more of it at the highest level of the game?

I can see why people might say it would be a good idea, but as someone from Liverpool I hate the idea, and I know that it was a hugely unpopular idea when it was suggested.

It would take more than vision and leadership to convince locals to take to the idea, it would take a miracle.

Kess73

daithijjj wrote: »

Souness was only in the job before Moores took over, yet watched on for 2-3 years as he created 'enemies' left right and centre throughout the club as well as our worst spell in decades.

Moores was an heir to his fortune, he didnt create it, he was clueless, a relic who lived in the past, and ultimately indecisive in almost every aspect of the club. He was so bad, that he made Hicks & Gillette look like revolutionaries off the pitch.

Moores was the perfect onwer in terms of loyalty to the club, and in terms of passion for it, but he was an awful owner in terms of pretty much every business based aspect of running a club.

daithijjj

Kess73 wrote: »

Moores was the perfect onwer in terms of loyalty to the club, and in terms of passion for it, but he was an awful owner in terms of pretty much every business based aspect of running a club.

There's loyalty and then there's insanity. Like the 2 year extension he agreed with Carlsberg in 05, for no other reason other than they were Carlsberg. A 2 year deal worth 5m? in a year we lift the CL?, while Manchester United are knocking up 4 yr deals shortly after for 50m. While we were lifting the CL, Moores was agreeing to sponsorship deals at a discount, meanwhile Spurs are getting more money off Mansion House despite being far less attractive and not in Europe at all. It wasnt even funny, 5m over 2 years and Spurs would get 17m in the same 2 years?. I shudder when i think about what i might not know. And we were the first club in England to have sponsors on our shirts, such a fall from grace.

Can we imagine in 2 years time if someone from the club stuck their head out and said we have extended Standard Chartered's deal for the next 2 years for 10m? while say Norwich were getting more? this is the scale of what we are talking about under him.

There's no doubt he loved and 'got' the club but he was an owner for the 70's at best, not the 90's. When it came to evolving the club with the new money era he was outright incompetent and should have sold up or been forced out long before he did.

Kess73

daithijjj wrote: »

There's loyalty and then there's insanity. Like the 2 year extension he agreed with Carlsberg in 05, for no other reason other than they were Carlsberg. A 2 year deal worth 5m? in a year we lift the CL?, while Manchester United are knocking up 4 yr deals shortly after for 50m. While we were lifting the CL, Moores was agreeing to sponsorship deals at a discount, meanwhile Spurs are getting more money off Mansion House despite being far less attractive and not in Europe at all. It wasnt even funny, 5m over 2 years and Spurs would get 17m in the same 2 years?. I shudder when i think about what i might not know. And we were the first club in England to have sponsors on our shirts, such a fall from grace.

Can we imagine in 2 years time if someone from the club stuck their head out and said we have extended Standard Chartered's deal for the next 2 years for 10m? while say Norwich were getting more? this is the scale of what we are talking about under him.

There's no doubt he loved and 'got' the club but he was an owner for the 70's at best, not the 90's. When it came to evolving the club with the new money era he was outright incompetent and should have sold up or been forced out long before he did.

Like I said, he was an awful owner from a business POV and played his part in retarding the club's growth. He was an owner from Shank's era in terms of how he operated but had the misfortune to become owner in an era when that kind of owner was long extinct at the highest level.

amiable

Mark Davies of Bolton linked

G.K.

I like him but he's not skilled enough and is really inconsistant.

amiable

G.K. wrote: »

I like him but he's not skilled enough and is really inconsistant.

You like who?

G.K.

Davies.

amiable

G.K. wrote: »

Davies.

It would be really nice if you could hit the quote button from time to time

mav79

Really can't see him improving the team. No-one knows what's going on with transfer targets at the moment and people just seem to be picking names out of a hat.

G.K.

Come on, I was replying to the post directly before mine. It's not like I could have been talking about Moores.

If you'd been talking about Davies on the previous page fair enough, but it was the post directly before. It is pretty obvious who I'm on about (To me at least).

amiable

mav79 wrote: »

Really can't see him improving the team. No-one knows what's going on with transfer targets at the moment and people just seem to be picking names out of a hat.

Sometimes that's true but sometimes it does seem to be a leak from somewhere along the line

amiable

G.K. wrote: »

Come on, I was replying to the post directly before mine. It's not like I could have been talking about Moores.

If you'd been talking about Davies on the previous page fair enough, but it was the post directly before. It is pretty obvious who I'm on about (To me at least).

As long as it's obvious to you.

greendom

amiable wrote: »

As long as it's obvious to you.

It's a bit like not needing to indicate because I know I'm turning left.

mav79

After seeing Lacina Traore, and Dos Santos linked this week seemingly just because Rogers looked at them when he was at Reading and Swansea comes across as journalists mentioning as many names as possible each week and just hoping one will come off.

amiable

mav79 wrote: »

After seeing Lacina Traore, and Dos Santos linked this week seemingly just because Rogers looked at them when he was at Reading and Swansea comes across as journalists mentioning as many names as possible each week and just hoping one will come off.

Of course stuff like that happens but some journos don't just make things up,
The Daily Mail seems to be absolutely awful lately.
But The Times is normally reliable.

mav79

Being the eternal Liverpool optimist, I hope the players being looked at will improve the team. Both Rodgers and the owners have mentioned in interviews about the style of football they want to play and the type of players they want. Its very obvious to most fans where the team needs improving yet some of the players linked really make no sense.

Don't get me wrong I'm not dismissing all journalists, I follow a few on twitter that seem reliable but there is an awful lot of hopeful guessing going on at the moment.

NukaCola

greendom wrote: »

It's a bit like not needing to indicate because I know I'm turning left.

I think you'll find its nothing like that in the slightest.....

whatawaster

amiable wrote: »

G.K. wrote: »

Come on, I was replying to the post directly before mine. It's not like I could have been talking about Moores.

If you'd been talking about Davies on the previous page fair enough, but it was the post directly before. It is pretty obvious who I'm on about (To me at least).

As long as it's obvious to you.

Obvious to anyone who bothered to read the post above his. there was no one else he could have been talking about really

mike65

You can tell there's nothing of any substance to post about...

NukaCola

mike65 wrote: »

You can tell there's nothing of any substance to post about...

What are you talking about Mike? Please quote what your comment was in reference to!

cianisgood

https://twitter.com/TransferClock/status/218696021570625536
make what you will of this

donfers

mark davies and victor moses on the way and the two fingers towards sigurdsson for asking for a wage comparable with proven stalwarts like henderson/adam

we are really showing them lads, this is our year!

Kerrigooney

cianisgood wrote: »

https://twitter.com/TransferClock/status/218696021570625536
make what you will of this

Seems like a very strange decision.

I`d love to have him back.

He`s still a fantastic footballer.

Does seem like a very strange decision though. Can`t be right surely?

smileyj1987

Kerrigooney wrote: »

Seems like a very strange decision.

I`d love to have him back.

He`s still a fantastic footballer.

Does seem like a very strange decision though. Can`t be right surely?

Thats how madrid roll after 30 you only get one year deals but he does have 2 years left on his contract .

Kerrigooney

smileyj1987 wrote: »

Thats how madrid roll after 30 you only get one year deals but he does have 2 years left on his contract .

So I imagine they`ll hold onto him for next season and sell him next summer.

smileyj1987

Kerrigooney wrote: »

So I imagine they`ll hold onto him for next season and sell him next summer.

Nope they will just offer him one years until they decide he is no longer needed but he will go on a freebie when they let him leave .

Laika1986

So tonight im gonna dream we get xabi back and gaston ramirez in,win the league in april at old trafford..

hefferboi

If Xabi comes back I'll post a picture of me sucking my own ballsack.

Jesus Wept

Obv we won't be willing to pay Xabi more or approaching as much as Gordon Henderson.

Jesus Wept

hefferboi wrote: »

If Xabi comes back I'll post a picture of me sucking my own ballsack.

I am feeling a lot of mixed emotions right now.

Kirby

Andy Carroll wrote: »

Obv we won't be willing to pay Xabi more or approaching as much as Gordon Henderson.

Any relation to Gordon Gecko? He's certainly earning enough

amiable

Confirmed. Edison Cavani and Gaston Ramirez will both be at Melwood today

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

amiable wrote: »

Confirmed. Edison Cavani and Gaston Ramirez will both be at Melwood today

You make a very compelling and well backed-up point, Sir.

amiable

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

You make a very compelling and well backed-up point, Sir.

Thank you

wcarey1975

amiable wrote: »

Confirmed. Edison Cavani and Gaston Ramirez will both be at Melwood today

The've just been spotter in the Liverpool 1 clubshop.

amiable

wcarey1975 wrote: »

amiable wrote: »

Confirmed. Edison Cavani and Gaston Ramirez will both be at Melwood today

The've just been spotter in the Liverpool 1 clubshop.

I am being 100% genuine and serious that Ramirez and Cavani will be at Melwood today and could probably be there by now

Leiva

amiable wrote: »

I am being 100% genuine and serious that Ramirez and Cavani will be at Melwood today and could probably be there by now

What are playing at ?

I heard a very weak rumor about Cavani on Wed but it wasn't worth repeating .

Hoki

amiable wrote: »

I am being 100% genuine and serious that Ramirez and Cavani will be at Melwood today and could probably be there by now

whats the catch

gafferino

Is this something to do with the Olympic squad training there.......idiot.

willowthewisp

Anyone thinking we'd get alonso back is silly

Francie Barrett

cianisgood wrote: »

https://twitter.com/TransferClock/status/218696021570625536
make what you will of this

He is contracted to Real Madrid until 2014.

There is 0.1% chance that he will be coming to Liverpool this Summer.

Francie Barrett

Meanwhile, back in the real world, we are being linked to Mark Davies of Bolton.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-eye-mark-davies-the-bolton-946063

Liverpool boss Brendan Rodgers is eyeing Bolton’s Mark Davies in a £6million swoop after missing out on Gylfi Sigurdsson.


Iceland midfielder Sigurdsson, who starred for Rodgers at Swansea last season on loan from Hoffenheim, is set to complete an £8million move to Tottenham next week, once Andre Villas-Boas is confirmed as their new manager.


But Rodgers is also a big fan of Davies and previously considered signing him for Swansea.


The attacking midfielder, 24, shone last term, scoring four goals for a Wanderers side that ended up being relegated to the Championship.

Kerrigooney

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Meanwhile, back in the real world, we are being linked to Mark Davies of Bolton.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/liverpool-eye-mark-davies-the-bolton-946063

Seems a bit more realistic alright. Unfortunately.

G.K.

If Davies was the alternative I'd quite happily give Sig his wage demands.

Leiva

I love when we raid the relagation bargain basement .

smileyj1987

G.K. wrote: »

If Davies was the alternative I'd quite happily give Sig his wage demands.

I'd offer him double what he wants .

mike65

Wages are about the club not the player - there is a structure and clubs are loath to break it as they know what will follow from players already on the books.

skywalker

mike65 wrote: »

Wages are about the club not the player - there is a structure and clubs are loath to break it as they know what will follow from players already on the books.

Its all speculation because we dont know what his wage demands were, but if its true that he wanted parity with Henderson you could hardly blame him.

bluefinger

Francie Barrett wrote: »

He is contracted to Real Madrid until 2014.

There is 0.1% chance that he will be coming to Liverpool this Summer.