Anyone ever nasty to you for being Irish

Fratton Fred

Sound of Silence wrote: »

You seem to be equally as sensitive to your National image as the Irish are.

Not at all, just pointing out the irony.

These threads are always the same. They pretend to be "a nasty Brit said something horrible to me" sort of thread, but they are really just a bit of self indulgent Brit bashing.

Wibbs

Never have. Not so far anyway. I found the English in particular very welcoming. Maybe I was meeting the wrong ones.

leonidas83

a few years ago on my first night in Scotland(edinburgh), heard a fight outside my hostel between two guys with one of them shouting 'your not in Ireland now ya Irish bastard', gr8 start to my time there.

Also shared a place with a scottish guy when i was there who was a big rangers fan(would make a few sly irish digs every now & then), bit of a tosser tbh but his father who was a much bigger fan was actually dead sound to me & had gr8 time for Irish people.

IrishAm

leonidas83 wrote: »

your not in Ireland now ya Irish bastard',

Maybe he thought you looked a bit lost and confused and was trying to give you a helpful clue?

Pushtrak

Enkidu wrote: »

How is it not racism? Seems pretty like uninformed bigotry to me.

There is no Irish "race". You can make the point of prejudice, for sure, but racism? Nope, sorry.

BunShopVoyeur wrote: »

It's xenophobia.

Well, yes and no. If Irish are just one nationality that come under their prejudice. If not, and are just against Irish people then it is prejudice. Xenophobia is more broad than one nationality.

Dudess

philstar wrote: »

well you aimed it at paddyandy harmless comment



thats on another thread, and i never said you can't criticise Frazer, stop trying to twist what i say

No in fairness it was fryup who said it, I wasn't saying you did. I guess harmless is subjective. I think paddyandy's comment was very self loathing, but if he for instance said lots of Irish act the tit in Australia or we have too much acceptance of gobshyte drunken behaviour here, I'd fully agree.
Bemoaning anti Irish sentiment in Britain or anywhere (when it was actually going on) is not the preserve of hate-filled, "leftie" (oh noez!) provos.

Sound of Silence

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Not at all, just pointing out the irony.

These threads are always the same. They pretend to be "a nasty Brit said something horrible to me" sort of thread, but they are really just a bit of self indulgent Brit bashing.

Perhaps I haven't been here long enough to see any "Nasty-Brit" threads.

Growing up in the heart of Republican South Armagh, It's always been my understanding that any apparent Anti-British sentiment is almost always directed at the British establishment - Not the British people.

My uncle speaks with a strong English accent and only lives a few doors down from me. He's never had a problem, and neither has any other English person living in the area. Perhaps it's different in the Republic.

The reason Irish people are particularly sensitive to British "digs" is due to the historical portrayal of the Irish as being an inferior species. It would account for all the self-loathing apparent in this thread.

Chuck Stone

philstar wrote: »

.....being uppity,

Stop being so uppity Dudess. Haven't you got cleaning to do or sammiches to make or something?


This was a joke btw Dudess. Just in case, like.

RichieC

An ingerlish man called me a great big Irish trollop because I tried to steal his hub caps whilst pretending to pave his garden.

InTheTrees

Yup. Usually from uptight limey assholes.

I suppose it helps(?) that I'm a anglo irish protestant who could pass as english if he wanted to. But it still pisses me off.

:mad:

philstar

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

f*ckin prod

only kiddin

Fratton Fred

Sound of Silence wrote: »

Perhaps I haven't been here long enough to see any "Nasty-Brit" threads.

Growing up in the heart of Republican South Armagh, It's always been my understanding that any apparent Anti-British sentiment is almost always directed at the British establishment - Not the British people.

My uncle speaks with a strong English accent and only lives a few doors down from me. He's never had a problem, and neither has any other English person living in the area. Perhaps it's different in the Republic.

The reason Irish people are particularly sensitive to British "digs" is due to the historical portrayal of the Irish as being an inferior species. It would account for all the self-loathing apparent in this thread.

How did you come up with that from my post?

staker

Had a gun pointed at me in Germany for singing some irish song(albeit drunkenly and loudly) at 6.30 on a Thursday morning while half the country were on their way to work.

"Go home to England you islandape" was the direct translation of what he said. I was going to dispute his claim but I thought no,not this time:pac:

I always gave as good as I got,Germans,Turks,Portugese-mostly banter the odd xenophobe but it never bothered me tbh.

caspa307

keithclancy wrote: »

So,

Was at a wedding on the weekend in England, was never at a wedding in England before, live over in Holland so driving there wasn't to bad.

Was a good craic, mostly the same as an Irish wedding.

Late into the night we were in the bar and I was chatting to a guy, all very normal conversation. He seemed well educated, was a history teacher in a school apparently.

After a while myself and the missus said we were going to bed and headed off, while we were walking away the guy said 'Goodnight ya dumb paddy'

I sort of shrugged it off and went upstairs, after a while it was bugging the hell out of me so I went back downstairs.

Walked back over and told the guy in a very friendly way

"Hey look, you shouldn't say that sort of thing to people, its a bit racist"

Guy was all very apologetic, said sorry and then I walked off, I walked around the corner and then heard him saying "These f*cking Irish micks should piss off back to where they came from"

I just thought 'for f&ck sake' and went to bed.

Over here in Holland i've only ever experienced racism because people here can't really tell the difference between England and Ireland, hence you get the whole 'English wánker' thing shouted at you sometimes.

Anyone else ever had a similar experience ?

as an englishman living in ireland id like to say sorry for that dick! WHAT A DOUCHE

InTheTrees

staker wrote: »

"Go home to England you islandape" was the direct translation of what he said.

ha ha ha

Good god, thats what they call us? and he thought you were english too...

"Island ape"?

I kind of like it.

:cool:

philstar

Dudess wrote: »

I think paddyandy's comment was very self loathing, but if he for instance said lots of Irish act the tit in Australia or we have too much acceptance of gobshyte drunken behaviour here, I'd fully agree.
Bemoaning anti Irish sentiment in Britain or anywhere (when it was actually going on) is not the preserve of hate-filled, "leftie" (oh noez!) provos.

i don't understand why you come up with self-loathing...paddyandy, me and others are speaking from our own personal experiences if it happens to have a negative irish slant ..it doesn't mean we are self loathing or hate ireland or being irish we're just telling it like it is for us it may be different from your viewpoint but please don't call us self-loathing or having an inferior complex, OK.... its annoying

LimGal

The only anti-Irishness I have ever experienced was from Northern Irish Catholics when I was travelling in Australia and New Zealand.

The seemed to have a real problem,like we had abandoned them up there or something and it really came out when they were drinking.I lost count the amount of times me and my mates were called ''Free-state bastards'' for no reason.

Really annoyed us and has since turned me off socialising with people from there.

Latchy

InTheTrees wrote: »

ha ha ha

Good god, thats what they call us? and he thought you were english too...

"Island ape"?

I kind of like it.

:cool:

I've heard it say that the term the Germans use is something like '' Da apen from das Island '' the apes from the island .

IrishAm

LimGal wrote: »

The seemed to have a real problem,like we had abandoned them up there or something and it really came out when they were drinking.I lost count the amount of times me and my mates were called ''Free-state bastards'' for no reason.

Tell them that they sold themselves out with the GFA agreement.

LimGal

IrishAm wrote: »

Tell them that they sold themselves out with the GFA agreement.

I would have but Im kinda attached to my front teeth:)

summerskin

RichieC wrote: »

An ingerlish man called me a great big Irish trollop because I tried to steal his hub caps whilst pretending to pave his garden.

And I forgave you.

Aren't we English great?

darragh16

A chap swung at me in Tenerife because I was Irish, the usual "****in Irish w*nkers". He also said Ireland deserved to get knocked out by France...

I leaned back, was about the knock him out but his mates pulled him away before anything happened. Great night all the same!!

staker

Latchy wrote: »

I've heard it say that the term the Germans use is something like '' Da apen from das Island '' the apes from the island .

It's all one word- InselAffe

Chain_reaction

A friend of a friend apparently was called a "spud nig**r" by an American in Denmark or Belgium some where.

Nope, well nothing beyond slagging and banter. I've had way more abuse for being English and it's quite common for people abroad (the Spanish, I'm looking at you) to be kunts to me until they find out I grew up in Ireland and then they start being really nice. It's actually useful for finding out who is a braindead moron who only judges people on nationality. You hated me 2 minutes ago when I was English and now that you think I'm Irish, you love me? You fcking thick twat.

Sound of Silence

Fratton Fred wrote: »

How did you come up with that from my post?

What's not to understand?

I pointed out that I didn't see any "Brit-Bashing" threads in my time on the Forums.

I then gave a short explanation of how "Brit-Bashing" is often interpreted. In this case, I argued that it is almost always directed at the establishment rather than the British people.

Just look at the thread. The vast majority of the people here have nothing but positive things to say about the British. However, they are not beyond pointing out the small and ignorant minority. A minority that exists in every culture, I might add.

tammyme

I have a close friend living in west sussex and so go over to visit when i can. The strangest comment I ever got wasn't so much about being irish but about being from cork... the guy in question simply could not believe that there was a place called cork and kept asking 'as in like a wine bottle?!?' my favourite part was when a big rather imtimidating looking rasta guy pops his head in and in a thick english accent goes ' you don't know cork? its the real republic of Ireland!' and then went on for ages about how much he likes Ireland.

I've found that more often then not the people i've met there have gone out of their way to be friendly.

Also have gotten a few IRA comments but they were in jest and not meant in bad form.

irishguitarlad

I've been living in Birmingham for the last three years, its ok but people keep saying that potatoes **** to me, I think they got it off Keith Lemon(who is incredibly dull anyway). I just ignore it because the people that say it to me are just un-educated fools. Besides we say shpuds where I'm from:P

philstar

irishguitarlad wrote: »

I've been living in Birmingham for the last three years, its ok but people keep saying that potatoes **** to me, I think they got it off Keith Lemon

potatoes what to you

cloud493

I get quite a few jest comments too, you know 'you'll be having tea instead of a pint' 'was your grandad in the black and tan english kid' etc.

pragmatic1

LimGal wrote: »

The only anti-Irishness I have ever experienced was from Northern Irish Catholics when I was travelling in Australia and New Zealand.

The seemed to have a real problem,like we had abandoned them up there or something and it really came out when they were drinking.I lost count the amount of times me and my mates were called ''Free-state bastards'' for no reason.

Really annoyed us and has since turned me off socialising with people from there.

Yeah I've experienced this a bit too. But we did kinda abandon them.

InTheTrees

The simple truth is the english envy the hell out of us.

They've buggered up their island with all the roads and people and urban sprawl and they're jealous of our unspoiled little sod.

Nevermind_

LimGal wrote: »

The only anti-Irishness I have ever experienced was from Northern Irish Catholics when I was travelling in Australia and New Zealand.

The seemed to have a real problem,like we had abandoned them up there or something and it really came out when they were drinking.I lost count the amount of times me and my mates were called ''Free-state bastards'' for no reason.

Really annoyed us and has since turned me off socialising with people from there.

Been called a "free state bastard" a few times while playing GAA against northern teams I usually just laughed at them.
The Best one I've heard recently though is from a friend of mine who moved to Armagh and transferred to a local GAA team.
He was playing a championship match when the guy marking him called him "a fcuking mexican" All my mate could do was burst out laughing.
Sometimes bigotry can be very funny

LH Pathe

Only 'Irish' emselves.. albeit draped in a union flag. Charmin

johngalway

Once on a construction site we were visiting for a demonstration near Bolton. Fella asked where my balaclava was? I asked for his address so I could show it to him in person the next time I was over. Strangely he didn't take up my offer and made a hasty exit Foreigners...

K-9

InTheTrees wrote: »

The simple truth is the english envy the hell out of us.

They've buggered up their island with all the roads and people and urban sprawl and they're jealous of our unspoiled little sod.

England has had a fair few planning disasters but it's one area we beat them!

Lapin

keithclancy wrote: »

So.........................,

Goodbye.

cashback

irishguitarlad wrote: »

I've been living in Birmingham for the last three years, its ok but people keep saying that potatoes **** to me, I think they got it off Keith Lemon(who is incredibly dull anyway). I just ignore it because the people that say it to me are just un-educated fools. Besides we say shpuds where I'm from:P

Get this a bit alright! I can't stand that Lemon anyway so never really got the reference until someone enlightened me.

In case you don't get it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JIga5_rVOW4

woodoo

cashback wrote: »

Get this a bit alright! I can't stand that Lemon anyway so never really got the reference until someone enlightened me.

He is a tit

Rabies

I've had it a few times from people. Usually drunk idiots that are not allowed in to the club.
To be honest most of it comes from the older generation of maoris.
Get out of our country, you shouldn't be here, you have no right to stop me from entering, your not a kiwi... blah blah blah.

Pdfile

irirsh get confused for the english all the time abroad, ill normally string people along with the " oh yeah im totally english " until i get bored then ad lib some irish.

Trololol.

etc etc...

Jorah

Never got any abuse in Ireland for being English. I sensed some caution from a few people I spoke to but after a while people let their guard down and you realise fundamentally we're all the same lol. Felt more uneasy on a night out in Glasgow to be honest.

The strangest comment I ever had for being English was in Cornwall lol. Apparently they're not English and a barman insisted on pointing out I was travelling abroad wearing an England Rugby shirt.

I've never heard any negative stuff about the Irish in England. The ignorant people who insist on spouting racist abuse probably think Ireland is still in the UK FFS! People generally have a ****ty understanding of history here. If you're white and speak English then you're going to be way down the pecking order of targets for prejudiced abuse.

youreadthis

the_syco wrote: »

I think it's more of a case that when they hear someone speaking english they see you as being english, until you let them know that you're Irish.

Just make sure you let people know you're from Ireland.

Was in Nantes, France, trying to get a room for the two nights in hotels and hostels.

No room.
All booked out.
No speak English.

So instead of "do you speak english?" I asked "do you speak Irelanda?".

"Ah, you Irish. Let me check; yes we have two rooms."

Said two rooms had a nice fan on them, proper wooden shutters (to stop the room heating up in the morning), and ensuites.

As much as you get the odd twat that hates the Irish, lots more people hate the english but love the Irish - 90% of the French people I talked to (hotel staff/pub staff/security/police/taxi drivers/shop staff/random people on the street) seemed to have had a sister/brother/cousin/uncle/grandfather/friend/etc that had been on holiday to/studied at/lived in Ireland for random periods of time, who had a great experience, and told other of their fondness of Ireland.

So next time you experience bigotry from an english person, remember that they'll experience a lot more bigotry from lots of nationalities all around the world, and smile at them.

A business, which unless is now bust, is designed to make money, refuses money from you because they think you're English (who send a lot of money to France via tourism, far more than Ireland) and they hate them, but then let you once they know you're Irish, even though milking the English of money would actually make sense if they really hated them.

Story seems legit.

A_Sober_Paddy

Nasty no(well not that I know of),

But condescending oh my yes...

When I was in Australia, I had an interview the day after paddy's day. I was asked had I had a good night and was I hungover. When I replied that I hadn't had a drink or went out, the look I got off them...

You'd swear I had just dropped my pants and took a sh!t on the table, they were shocked which was then followed by a "oh really, well done" like I needed alcohol to survive and I forgone it on Paddy's day off all days...

Wow how I hated Australia and the insidious, racist people who occupy it...

LH Pathe

I reckon in more impoverished nations I just might be misinterpreted as saying Irich

BillyMitchel

Racially abused numerous times while living in Korea, was not a nice experience at all. When it's so obvious and in your face it really can push you to react.

Lived and worked in the north west of England and it was great craic. It went both ways and still great pals with many of them today. Customers would often tell me to f off home though.

Back to the OP. After a few drinks that probably of wound me up big time. After going back down and for him to say it again probably did deserve a slap. Time and a place to stand up and fight back and that second comment would off pushed me to far.

BillyMitchel

Domo230 wrote: »

BillyMitchel wrote: »

Racially abused numerous times while living in Korea, was not a nice experience at all. When it's so obvious and in your face it really can push you to react.

Should have pushed back. He's Korean so he's obviously much smaller than you (and eats dog and has a small penis)


Stereotypes are fun :pac:

Koreans were actually quite big and I'm rather small. As for willies you know why they say a small man has a longer willy?!! I tried dog soup so I can't say much there and yes it was a very unpleasant experience but as they say when in Rome and all that...

1ZRed

BillyMitchel wrote: »

Domo230 wrote: »

BillyMitchel wrote: »

Racially abused numerous times while living in Korea, was not a nice experience at all. When it's so obvious and in your face it really can push you to react.

Should have pushed back. He's Korean so he's obviously much smaller than you (and eats dog and has a small penis)


Stereotypes are fun :pac:

Koreans were actually quite big and I'm rather small. As for willies you know why they say a small man has a longer willy?!! I tried dog soup so I can't say much there and yes it was a very unpleasant experience but as they say when in Rome and all that...

I doubt that's fully true. It only looks bigger because he would be short. Put the same dick on a guy that's 6'4 and you'll see the short guy looks bigger. That's how some pornstars add extra inches to their stats because they appear larger than what they really are!:eek:


And taller guys generally would have bigger cocks because everything would be more or less in proportion. Can you imagine men 6'5 being small down south? Even if they were small by proportion they'd still have a good size to work with

maninasia

Sleepy wrote: »

Have found the English to be no problem any time I've worked there, I even had a boss in England who insisted on taking me and another colleague to the pub for the afternoon because it was Paddy's Day and we'd have been off work if were back home!

The only time I've ever had a negative reaction to being Irish was an extremely strange incident on the Isle of Skye in Scotland (bloody strange, rough place that I'm told has the record of having the most incidents of incest in the UK).

Myself and a few friends arrived into Portree around 5 and went straight out on a bar crawl. Come 1am and we're in the only nightclub in the area and I'm at the bar ordering a round when a local girl sidles up to me at the bar and starts flirting with me. About 3 sentences in she asks where I'm from and seconds after I say "Ireland", I'm on my back after being decked.

One of the girls with us wasn't drinking that night and witnessed the whole thing. I asked her the next day had I made some "smart" comment or something and she told me she'd no idea where it came out of: one minute I'm being hit on, the next I was just being hit!

(yeah, yeah, I know, decked by a girl. In my defense I'd been drinking for about 7 hours and think the shock had more to do with it than the punch).

This has happened to me, twice. Once exactly the same in Denmark , asked where I was from, Ireland, beer poured on my head.
The chick thought you were spoofing her.

onlyrocknroll

Not nasty but funny

A friend of mine lives in London and is half Scottish and a quarter Irish. He told this to a girl in a club once and she said

"Does that mean you like a drink but don't like to pay for it"