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Eircoms refusal to publish names of non Broadband enabled Exchanges
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21-05-2012 8:38pmAs you may be aware Eircom has removed it's coverage map from the Eircom website and is now refusing to provide a list of the Exchanges that are not broadband enabled. The explanation given is that this is now confidential information that it does not have to make public. Although reps here will check on status of individual Exchanges they are prohibited from providing full list by their employers.
However given that Eircom has a monopoly on the provision of fixed line broadband and the public money that was provided to Eircom is the refusal to provide this information justified?
Approx 270 Exchanges were never enabled for basic broadband and on the basis that Eircom has no published plan or timetable to enable any more we can assume that the vast majority have been abandoned
Among these are Exchanges in the major cities. Reps here have confirmed that Eircom has reneged on it's 2007 promise to take all broadband orders in the five major urban areas and that there are no plans to enable any more Exchanges in the cities.
The 2007 Upgrade program also seems to have been abandoned. The website listing exchanges that were to be enabled under the program has been shut down.
Perhaps a rep here could provide a reasonable explanation and justification for the refusal to make the full list of non enabled Exchanges available?0
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They're a private company.
I assume they don't have to provide this information unless instructed to by comreg?0 -
ninjasurfer1 wrote: »They're a private company.
I assume they don't have to provide this information unless instructed to by comreg?
That seems to be their position. And there probably is no legal requirement for them to reveal the names of the 270+ Exchanges that were never broadband enabled. However given that they have a monopoly in the provision of fixed lune broadband and the economic consequences of such widespread Broadband unavailability un this country there is a public interest argument for political pressure to force them to reconsider.0 -
There is a strong case to be made that Eircom should be forced to release this information in the public interest.0
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Sure. Here you go. Note that eircom only ever promised to do 15 of these and some are serving one site only.
Sorted by County. Yes there are very few NON enabled exchanges in Donegal. The reason they are secret is because they never told anybody that some of them actually exist....like they are supposed to. See the Google Map link.
Name Code STD Enabled ? County
BILBOA BIB 059 n Carlow
FENAGH FEH 059 n Carlow
HACKETSTOWN HKN 059 n Carlow
MYSHALL MYL 059 n Carlow
RATHOE RTO 059 n Carlow
TEMPLEOWEN TMO 059 n Carlow
BAWNBOY BBY 049 n Cavan
BUTLERS BRIDGE BUB 049 n Cavan
CANNINGSTOWN CAW 042 n Cavan
CROSS KEYS CKS 049 n Cavan
SWANLINBAR SBR 049 n Cavan
BALLYVAUGHAN BVN 065 n Clare
BEHAGH BHH 065 n Clare
BROADFORD (Shannon) BRF 061 n Clare
CAHER CER 061 n Clare
CARRON CRR 065 n Clare
CRAGGAGH CAG 065 n Clare
DOONAHA DHA 065 n Clare
INAGH ING 065 n Clare
KILKEE KKE 065 n Clare
KNOCK KCK 065 n Clare
LABASHEEDA LDA 065 n Clare
LISSYCASEY LCY 065 n Clare
MONEYPOINT MPT 065 n Clare
OGONNELLOE OGO 061 n Clare
RAHEY CROSS RYX 065 n Clare
RUAN RUN 065 n Clare
ARDFIELD ALD 023 n Cork
ARDGROOM ADM 027 n Cork
ASHMOUNT ASM 021 n Cork
BALLYDESMOND BMD 064 n Cork
BALLYMACODA BMA 024 n Cork
BALLYNOE BLO 058 n Cork
BERNEY'S CROSS BYX 029 n Cork
BWEENG BWG 021 n Cork
CAHERAGH CEA 028 n Cork
CAPE CLEAR CCI 028 n Cork
CARRIGANIMMY CIM 026 n Cork
CHURCHTOWN CHW 022 n Cork
CONNA CNN 058 n Cork
CROSSBARRY CBA 021 n Cork
CULLEN CUX 029 n Cork
DUNDERROW DUW 021 n Cork
INCHYDONEY INY 023 n Cork
KILCROHANE KCH 027 n Cork
KNOCKNAGREE KNG 064 n Cork
KNOCKRAHA KHA 021 n Cork
LISLEVANE LVN 023 n Cork
LYRE LYR 029 n Cork
MEELIN MEN 029 n Cork
MILFORD MLD 063 n Cork
NEWCESTOWN NCN 021 n Cork
NEWTOWNSHANDRUM NSM 063 n Cork
RINGASKIDDY PORT RIP 021 n Cork
ROCKCHAPEL RCH 029 n Cork
SALLYBROOK SBK 021 n Cork
TARELTON TAN 026 n Cork
TEMPLEMARTIN TPN 021 n Cork
ARRANMORE ARN 074 n Donegal
CULDAFF CDF 074 n Donegal
DOIRE CHONAIRE DCE 074 n Donegal
GLENEELY GEY 074 n Donegal
ST JOHNSTON STJ 074 n Donegal
BALDOYLE BDL 01 n Dublin
BALGADDY BGD 01 n Dublin
CLONSKEAGH CKH 01 n Dublin
OLDTOWN OLD 01 n Dublin
PEAMOUNT LANE PML 01 n Dublin
IBMSITE IBM 01 n Dublin
CASHEL CAS 095 n Galway
CLEGGAN CGG 095 n Galway
CLONBUR CNB 094 n Galway
CREGGS CGS 090 n Galway
EYRECOURT ECT 090 n Galway
GLANN GLA 091 n Galway
GURTEEN GUN 090 n Galway
INISBOFIN IBF 095 n Galway
INISHERE IHR 099 n Galway
INISHMAAN INM 099 n Galway
KILLIMOR KIR 090 n Galway
KILRICKLE KCE 091 n Galway
KILRONAN KRN 099 n Galway
KNOCKFERRY KNF 091 n Galway
LETTERFRACK LKR 095 n Galway
MAAM MAM 091 n Galway
NEW INN NIN 090 n Galway
NEWBRIDGE NBE 090 n Galway
RECESS RCS 095 n Galway
ROUNDSTONE RST 095 n Galway
TOBERELATAN TBL 091 n Galway
TULLY CROSS TUX 095 n Galway
WOODLAWN WLN 090 n Galway
ANNASCAUL ACL 066 n Kerry
ASDEE ASD 068 n Kerry
BALLINSKELLIGS BKS 066 n Kerry
BALLYDAVID BYD 066 n Kerry
BLACKWATER BRIDGE BIG 064 n Kerry
BROSNA BNA 068 n Kerry
CAHERDANIEL CRD 066 n Kerry
CLOGHANE CHA 066 n Kerry
CLONKEEN CKE 064 n Kerry
FINUGE FGE 068 n Kerry
FYBAGH FYB 066 n Kerry
GLENCAR GCR 066 n Kerry
INCH INH 066 n Kerry
KELLS KLL 066 n Kerry
LAURAGH LRH 064 n Kerry
LISSELTON LSN 068 n Kerry
LYRACROMPANE LPN 068 n Kerry
MUCKROSS MUC 064 n Kerry
PORTMAGEE PME 066 n Kerry
TUOSIST TST 064 n Kerry
VALENTIA ISLAND VIS 066 n Kerry
VENTRY VTY 066 n Kerry
ALLENWOOD ALW 045 n Kildare
ARDCLOUGH ARC 01 n Kildare
CALVERSTOWN CVW 045 n Kildare
CHERRYVILLE CYE 045 n Kildare
COLBINSTOWN COL 045 n Kildare
COOLCARRIGAN CCG 045 n Kildare
HEWLETT-PACKARD HPD 01 n Kildare
INTEL INL 01 n Kildare
KILMEAD KMD 059 n Kildare
NARRAGHMORE NAR 059 n Kildare
PUNCHESTOWN CROSS PNC 045 n Kildare
COON COO 056 n Kilkenny
JOHNSWELL JWL 056 n Kilkenny
OLDTOWN OWN 056 n Kilkenny
THE ROWER RWR 051 n Kilkenny
ARLES ARL 059 n Laois
BALLINAKILL BAK 057 n Laois
BALLINTUBBERT BBT 059 n Laois
BALLYFIN BIN 057 n Laois
CLOUGH COU 057 n Laois
COOLRAIN CRN 057 n Laois
CULLAHILL CIL 057 n Laois
ERRILL ERL 0505 n Laois
LUGGACURREN LRN 057 n Laois
ROUNDWOOD ROW 057 n Laois
SHANAHOE SNO 057 n Laois
THE SWAN TSW 059 n Laois
WOLFHILL WOL 059 n Laois
TIMAHOE TOE 057 n Laois
AUGHACASHEL AUG 071 n Leitrim
CARRIGALLEN CIG 049 n Leitrim
CLOONE CLU 071 n Leitrim
DOWRA DRA 071 n Leitrim
DRUMKEERAN DKN 071 n Leitrim
GLENFARNE GLF 071 n Leitrim
KILTYCLOGHER KLR 071 n Leitrim
NEWTOWNGORE NGO 049 n Leitrim
BALLAGH BAH 069 n Limerick
BALLYAGRAN BGN 063 n Limerick
BRUREE BEE 063 n Limerick
CASTLEMAHON CMN 069 n Limerick
FEENAGH FGH 063 n Limerick
GALBALLY GBY 062 n Limerick
GLENROE GLO 063 n Limerick
GRANAGH GNG 061 n Limerick
HERBERTSTOWN HBN 061 n Limerick
KILMEEDY KMY 063 n Limerick
KNOCKADERRY KKY 069 n Limerick
MARTINSTOWN MAN 063 n Limerick
MEANUS MUS 061 n Limerick
TOURNAFULLA TFA 069 n Limerick
ARDAGH ADH 043 n Longford
CARRICKGLASS CKG 043 n Longford
CLONDRA CNA 043 n Longford
COLEHILL CLL 044 n Longford
KENAGH KNA 043 n Longford
MOYNE CROSS MEX 049 n Longford
NEWTOWNCASHEL NTC 043 n Longford
RACECOURSE ROAD RCR 042 n Louth
READYPENNY RPY 042 n Louth
ATTYMASS ATS 096 n Mayo
BALLYCASTLE BCE 096 n Mayo
BALLYCROY BYR 098 n Mayo
BANGOR ERRIS BES 097 n Mayo
BINGHAMSTOWN BHM 097 n Mayo
BLACKSOD BKD 097 n Mayo
CARROWMORELACKEN CMK 096 n Mayo
CLARE ISLAND CIS 098 n Mayo
CLOGHANS CRF 096 n Mayo
CLOONAGH CAH 098 n Mayo
CURRANE CUA 098 n Mayo
DOOLEEG DLG 096 n Mayo
FERRYBRIDGE FBD 094 n Mayo
GARRANARD GRD 096 n Mayo
GEESALA GSL 097 n Mayo
GLENAMOY GMI 097 n Mayo
GLENISLAND GIL 094 n Mayo
HOLLYMOUNT HMT 094 n Mayo
KEEL KEL 098 n Mayo
KILLADOON KON 098 n Mayo
MULRANY MRY 098 n Mayo
PARK PRK 094 n Mayo
ROSSPORT RSP 097 n Mayo
TOOREEN TOR 094 n Mayo
TOURMAKEADY TEY 094 n Mayo
URLAUR URL 094 n Mayo
CASTLEJORDAN CSJ 046 n Meath
DUNDERRY DDY 046 n Meath
FORDSTOWN FWN 046 n Meath
KILBRIDE KBE 01 n Meath
KILSHARVAN KSV 041 n Meath
LONGWOOD LWD 046 n Meath
ROBINSTOWN RBT 046 n Meath
ANNYALLA AYL 042 n Monaghan
GLASSLOUGH GLS 047 n Monaghan
STRANOODEN SON 042 n Monaghan
BALLYDALY BDA 057 n Offaly
BRACKNAGH BKG 057 n Offaly
CLOGHAN CGH 090 n Offaly
CLONBULLOGUE CBE 046 n Offaly
CLONYGOWAN CYG 057 n Offaly
LEABEG LAG 057 n Offaly
POLLAGH PLL 057 n Offaly
SHANNONBRIDGE SNB 090 n Offaly
TULLAMORE COURT TMC 057 n Offaly
WALSH ISLAND WIS 057 n Offaly
KINNITY KNT 057 n Offaly
BALLYFORAN BFN 090 n Roscommon
EMMOO JUNCTION EMJ 090 n Roscommon
FOUR ROADS FRS 090 n Roscommon
MONKSLAND MNK 090 n Roscommon
TAUGHMACONNELL TML 090 n Roscommon
BUNNANADDAN BUD 071 n Sligo
DROMARD DMD 071 n Sligo
LAVAGH LVH 071 n Sligo
AGHANCON AHC 057 n Tipperary
AHERLOW AHO 062 n Tipperary
BALLINGARRY BRY 067 n Tipperary
BALLYMACKEY BCK 067 n Tipperary
BALLYPOREEN BPN 052 n Tipperary
BOHERLAHAN BON 0504 n Tipperary
CARRIG CGB 057 n Tipperary
COOLBAWN CBN 067 n Tipperary
CRINKILL CRI 090 n Tipperary
GOOLDS CROSS GSX 0504 n Tipperary
KILCOMMON KCO 062 n Tipperary
LISRONAGH LSR 052 n Tipperary
MOYNE MNE 0504 n Tipperary
MULLENNAGLOUGH MUG 051 n Tipperary
NEW INN NWN 052 n Tipperary
REARCROSS RRX 062 n Tipperary
ROSEGREEN RGN 062 n Tipperary
ROSSOULTY RSY 0504 n Tipperary
SILVERMINES SIL 067 n Tipperary
TEMPLEDERRY TDY 0504 n Tipperary
TEMPLETUOHY TPY 0504 n Tipperary
TOOMEVARA TOO 067 n Tipperary
BALLINAMULT BAM 058 n Waterford
BALLYMACARBRY BMY 052 n Waterford
CLASHMORE CMO 058 n Waterford
LOSKERAN LOS 058 n Waterford
SHANBALLY SHY 058 n Waterford
STRADBALLY STY 051 n Waterford
BALLYMORE BYW 044 n Westmeath
BALLYNACARGY BNY 044 n Westmeath
FINEA FNA 043 n Westmeath
ROSEMOUNT ROT 090 n Westmeath
ADAMSTOWN ADT 053 n Wexford
MONAMOLIN MLN 053 n Wexford
COOLKENNO CKO 059 n Wicklow
ENNISKERRY KILGARRON EKK 01 n Wicklow
GLENCREE GNE 01 n Wicklow
KILMACANOGUE KMC 01 n Wicklow
REDCROSS RDS 0404 n Wicklow
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Thanks Spongebob. Wonder if Eircom have any plans to enable any of these in the future.0
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We have been over 5 years waiting for eircom to upgrade around 15 of the 270 odd exchanges on that list and they have not even apologised for the delay.
They will have some spare equipment after they execute the VDSL program in urban areas as they will swap out some ASL cabinets for faster gear.....meaning they might even finish Kilrickle and Calverstown 6-7 years after they promised they would.
But in fairness they said that most of the exchanges listed above were too small to upgrade.0 -
As you may be aware Eircom has removed it's coverage map from the Eircom website and is now refusing to provide a list of the Exchanges that are not broadband enabled. The explanation given is that this is now confidential information that it does not have to make public. Although reps here will check on status of individual Exchanges they are prohibited from providing full list by their employers.
However given that Eircom has a monopoly on the provision of fixed line broadband and the public money that was provided to Eircom is the refusal to provide this information justified?
Approx 270 Exchanges were never enabled for basic broadband and on the basis that Eircom has no published plan or timetable to enable any more we can assume that the vast majority have been abandoned
Among these are Exchanges in the major cities. Reps here have confirmed that Eircom has reneged on it's 2007 promise to take all broadband orders in the five major urban areas and that there are no plans to enable any more Exchanges in the cities.
The 2007 Upgrade program also seems to have been abandoned. The website listing exchanges that were to be enabled under the program has been shut down.
Perhaps a rep here could provide a reasonable explanation and justification for the refusal to make the full list of non enabled Exchanges available?
Hi Regress
At no stage did we confirm the above. Our statement was in fact
'In regards to this DSL deployment we have been advised that The Deployment Plan is subject to change as individual projects may be delayed / brought forward due to technical considerations. (The Rollout of NGB and Fibre, as demand for faster services increases, along with other infrastructure and technological changes since 2007 for example). I, Mark and Ant have made numerous enquiries on this issue and We have not received any notification that plans to continue deployment to provide DSL have been discarded. We have posted this response earlier on this thread.'
While the site you mention has been removed, and the replacement NGB site also, this is due to the total over haul and updating of our online pages and content.
As also stated on the same post ( link here) we do not have any further information. The reps here are happy and willing to provide any requested information and will do so once available. We will also advise when online sites have been brought back online.
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A list of ADSL2 enabled exchanges that are NOT among the 300 odd NGB enabled exchanges would be nice Tony.
If you are on a roll then maybe a list of exchanges that are enabled but which do not supply greater than 3mbit broadband as well.0 -
What happens to all the people in thsese areas who sign up for broadband only to be told your line is not suitable or is shared with your neighbours? Is Dial-up their only option?
Whatever happened to that boffoon from Fianna Failed or the once famous green party who was going to roll around the country giving the pesants fast reliable broadband?0 -
eircom: Tony wrote: »Hi Regress
At no stage did we confirm the above. Our statement was in fact
'In regards to this DSL deployment we have been advised that The Deployment Plan is subject to change as individual projects may be delayed / brought forward due to technical considerations. . Have not received any notification that plans to continue deployment to provide DSL have been discarded.
While the site you mention has been removed, . , this is due to the total over haul and updating of our online pages
I assume that the Deployment Plan that you are referring to is the 2007 Deployment Plan that was rolled out with such fanfare and under which Eircom promised to enable listed Exchanges for basic broadband. Unless you are insinuating that there is a second secret Deployment plan that Eircom has told nobody about.
You claim that this plan has not been abandoned . However
1. Eircom promised to complete this plan by 2009. It is now 2012.
2. Eircom has shut down the website that gave details of the progress of the Deployment Plan. Why would you do this if plan had not been abandoned. You say that the plan is subject to change yet are unwilling or unable to say what these changes are.
3. You are unable to say when or if any remaining Exchanges listed in the Deployment Plan of five years ago will ever be enabled. A timetable for enabling the Exchanges was available on the website which has now been shut down. But now for “operational reasons” information is no longer available.
It should also be noted that only 15 of the 270 non enabled Exchanges are covered in the Deployment Plan. And of course you can’t say if there will ever be another Deployment plan to cover any of the these.0 -
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eircom: Mark wrote: »Hi Ren2k7,
I have spoken to our broadband......roll out team. They have advised that at the moment there is no plans.....
They advised that there is not an escalation point or process in which eircom are addressing queries regarding enabling exchanges of broadband .
I am very sorry I could not get back with better news .
Thanks, Mark
Despite repeated denials, it sounds very much like the rollout of fixed line broadband in Ireland has been abandoned. The promises of yesteryear have been broken.0 -
eircom: Tony wrote: »We have not received any notification that plans to continue deployment to provide DSL have been discarded. We have posted this response earlier on this thread.'
we do not have any further information.
Tony
That is a totally unsatisfactory response. Either the rollout of fixd line broadband in Ireland
been abondended or it hasn't. If it hasn't, Eircom should be able to say when the next Exchange will be broadband enabled. Are there any plans to enable any of the Exchanges that Eircom promised to broadband enable by 2009 in the Deployment Plan. . Saying that like Manuel "you know nothing" is unacceptable.
There are 270 Exchanges listed above in the list provided by Spongebob that are not enabled for basic broadband. As an Eiecom rep you should be able to tell us if there are any plans to broadband enable any if these Exchanges. If you are unable to say the only logical inference is that the rollout of broadband has been abandoned.0 -
march 2015 and keenagh co longford is still a black hole when it comes to broadband, its a F***ing disgrace0
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eircom: Tony wrote: »we do not have any further information. We will also advise when online sites have been brought back online.
Tony
Only change seems to be that non enabled Exchanges that years ago Eircom claimed to be DSL enabled you are now claiming are fibre enabled. From one shameless barefaced lie to another.0 -
Regress
this has never been an issue of false information.
eircom are happy to make available all information on current or past stages of our national roll out of eFibre, however, we do not have information on unplanned or work to be carried out outside of currently planned stages. Any information provided on unplanned ( where arrangements, work orders and licenses have been obtained) work would likely see changes to rol out dates.
Our interactive map clearly states that it is a quick guide to the areas where eFibre is rolling out.
"Click on a shaded area below. Please note: this map is for illustrative purposes only and not all homes within the eFibre area can avail of the service. To determine if eFibre is available at your home, please enter your home phone number or address into our interactive tool."
This map gives the best current overview of our current roll out plans. While it is true that there have been some delays in rolling this out in some areas, those areas earmarked for eFibre within this and current phases of the roll out will receive this service.
For areas not yet included in our current map, just Register your details here and we will contact you as soon as it becomes available.
As stated in the past, the information illustrated within our maps are a guide of a nationwide roll out. Customers seeking more information around their specific address have the options offered above and of contacting us directly.
We will be glad to advise in these cases.
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eircom: Tony wrote: »this has never been an issue of false information.
Disclaimer again that issue is not with you but with Eircom.
It absolutely is an issue of false information. This is the central issue and I contend that you are being totally disingenuous in your convoluted attempts to justify the telling of deliberate lies by your employer.
FACT Eircom is stating on its official website that broadband is available in areas that it knows that broadband is not available.
FACT This is not a mistake or accidental. Eircom has been fully aware for years that information it is providing is false and has refused for years to correct it.
eircom: Tony wrote: »clearly states that it is a quick guide........for illustrative purposes only ........ the information.... are a guide
The disclaimers ““clearly states that it is a quick guide” “for illustrative purposes only” “ the information illustrated within our maps are a guide”
does not excuse the deliberate dissemination of knowingly false information.
eircom: Tony wrote: »This map gives the best current overview of our current roll out plans. While it is true that there have been some delays in rolling this out in some areas,
A poor attempt to muddy the waters. Lets confine this exclusively to areas that Eircom is claiming that broadband is now available. And where Eircom knows broadband is not available and has no plans delayed or otherwise to provide broadband.eircom: Tony wrote: »Customers seeking more information around their specific address have the options offered above and of contacting us directly.
We will be glad to advise in these cases.
If I am understanding you correctly this is a tacit admission that the information on Eircoms site can be incorrect and false. But that those in affected areas will only be told this if they contact Eircom directly. If you told the truth on your official site they would not have to do so.
FACT: Eircom is deliberately and knowingly lying on its official site about the availability of broadband in Ireland.0 -
eircom: Tony wrote: »this has never been an issue of false information.
Disclaimer again that issue is not with you but with Eircom.
It absolutely is an issue of false information. This is the central issue and I contend that you are being totally disingenuous in your convoluted attempts to justify the telling of deliberate lies by your employer.
FACT Eircom is stating on its official website that broadband is available in areas that it knows that broadband is not available.
FACT This is not a mistake or accidental. Eircom has been fully aware for years that information it is providing is false and has refused for years to correct it.
eircom: Tony wrote: »clearly states that it is a quick guide........for illustrative purposes only ........ the information.... are a guide
The disclaimers ““clearly states that it is a quick guide” “for illustrative purposes only” “ the information illustrated within our maps are a guide”
does not excuse the deliberate dissemination of knowingly false information.
eircom: Tony wrote: »This map gives the best current overview of our current roll out plans. While it is true that there have been some delays in rolling this out in some areas,
A poor attempt to muddy the waters. Lets confine this exclusively to areas that Eircom is claiming that broadband is now available. And where Eircom knows broadband is not available and has no plans delayed or otherwise to provide broadband.eircom: Tony wrote: »Customers seeking more information around their specific address have the options offered above and of contacting us directly.
We will be glad to advise in these cases.
If I am understanding you correctly this is a tacit admission that the information on Eircoms site can be incorrect and false. But that those in affected areas will only be told this if they contact Eircom directly. If you told the truth on your official site they would not have to do so.
FACT: Eircom is deliberately and knowingly lying on its official site about the availability of broadband in Ireland.
it is obvious form your tone and constant misuse of the word "fact" that your real agenda here is to provoke and muddy actual issue.
A clear and honest response has been provided to your post. As has a system by which any customer can contact us for information on current and planned work in their area.
eircom have in fact overhauled its eFibre map on a number of occasions to provide the clearest guide to this roll out. The map is a guide, for specific information on an address, or for areas not yet included in our current map, just Register your details here and we will contact you as soon as it becomes available.
As this is our final word on this matter I shall not be responding further to your posts on this.
However any customer who does wish further information on their area or address should feel free to use the channels I have outlined above. Or just PM us here and we can have this checked for you.
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Closing this.
Regress, please review your posting style before posting in here again. Thank you.0 -
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