The Revenge of the Post Here When You Get Something New thread

o1s1n

The musical equivalent of any videogame genre which you can do in real life

Driving sim? Drive a real car
Football sim? Go out to a field
Flight sim? Go to flight school
Fighting sim? Hit town on a Saturday night about 2am

I've been trying to learn the guitar since I was 15. Which is now 13 years ago. My brain just doesn't work that way :(:(

the groutch

Alcholicappleflavouredbeverageman (yes I know that's wrong), I nearly made an offer on the ps2 games, then I saw their other ads for pirate dvds.
might throw in a report to the mods if you haven't already.

Atavan-Halen

EnterNow wrote: »

Grrr...the musical equivalent of pet simulations. Just learn to play a real guitar dadgum

Ain't nobody got time for that!!

It is something I'd dearly love to learn though.

Steve X2

atavan-halen wrote: »

Ain't nobody got time for that!!

It is something I'd dearly love to learn though.

The ladies dig a guy who can use his instrument well.

Myrddin

o1s1n wrote: »

The musical equivalent of any videogame genre which you can do in real life

Driving sim? Drive a real car - at 150mph around famous tracks? Nah!
Football sim? Go out to a field - & win a world cup with the best players? Nah!
Flight sim? Go to flight school - 80k it costs to become a commercial pilot!
Fighting sim? Hit town on a Saturday night about 2am - Yeah but try do a flaming dragon punch that goes 15ft in the air!

I've been trying to learn the guitar since I was 15. Which is now 13 years ago. My brain just doesn't work that way :(:(

Fixed & edited. It's true that games are extensions of real life things & normally allow you to do the impossible. But for things like playing guitar etc, I have to say a game wouldn't appeal to me. I taught myself how to play the guitar when I was about 15 with simple tuition books. And playing along to your favourite songs & nailing a famous guitar solo feels better than any guitar/band hero game will ever make you feel. It just takes patience, & a bit of dedication - anyone here could do it if they gave themselves the chance, those damned guitar shaped joypads though...put them away!

atavan-halen wrote: »

Ain't nobody got time for that!!

It is something I'd dearly love to learn though.

As I said above, buy a half decent acoustic guitar & a few learning books & go for it. It helps if you really love certain songs/types of music which lend themselves to guitar playing, but again, anyone can learn it.

Steve SI wrote: »

The ladies dig a guy who can use his instrument well.

This is true lads, innuendo aside too

the groutch

took delivery this morning of these Japanese Saturn games (shakes fist at Steve for getting me started)

Andrew76

o1s1n wrote: »

Never saw one of them before, mad looking yolk.
...

The ironing board? That's perfectly acceptable for a man with gold wallpaper and a pantry. The butler will be able to explain it to you.

No new retro gets for me, waiting over a fecking month now for anti-static bubble wrap from the uk, need to email the damn seller. :-(

the groutch

Andrew76 wrote: »

No new retro gets for me, waiting over a fecking month now for anti-static bubble wrap from the uk, need to email the damn seller. :-(

Atavan-Halen

EnterNow wrote: »

As I said above, buy a half decent acoustic guitar & a few learning books & go for it. It helps if you really love certain songs/types of music which lend themselves to guitar playing, but again, anyone can learn it.

I have an electric and acoustic. I used to be able to play a few simple tunes but I forget how to read tabs and all that now. Problem is they're both left handed guitars because I'm a dirty leftie, but I feel more comfortable playing right handed.

Myrddin

atavan-halen wrote: »

I have an electric and acoustic. I used to be able to play a few simple tunes but I forget how to read tabs and all that now. Problem is they're both left handed guitars because I'm a dirty leftie, but I feel more comfortable playing right handed.

I'm left handed but play guitar right handed, don't make it hard for yourself just sell them on & get a normal one

No word yet from the seller of the US Nes I bought...I wonder if they'll pull out of the deal given the postage price. Are ebay sellers obliged to sell once the ad is live?

johnny_ultimate

Much like a driving sim is just an emulation of a real life activity, Rock Band / Guitar Hero is the same. Not everyone will win a grand prix in real life, but nor will everyone bust out a flawless solo in front of a huge crowd. It's a game, it's not meant to be a replacement for instruments (although Rock Band 3 and now Rocksmith can at least act as solid introductory tools for that). It's a high score challenge, an absolutely terrific party game. It's no more or less of a waste of one's time or effort than playing any other game, really. It's not for everyone, especially those who actually have learned to play an instrument (and I have never been a musically minded person), but the best are extremely well designed, addictive games.

Myrddin

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

Much like a driving sim is just an emulation of a real life activity, Rock Band / Guitar Hero is the same. Not everyone will win a grand prix in real life, but nor will everyone bust out a flawless solo in front of a huge crowd. It's a game, it's not meant to be a replacement for instruments (although Rock Band 3 and now Rocksmith can at least act as solid introductory tools for that). It's a high score challenge, an absolutely terrific party game. It's no more or less of a waste of one's time or effort than playing any other game, really. It's not for everyone, especially those who actually have learned to play an instrument (and I have never been a musically minded person), but the best are extremely well designed, addictive games.

No denying that, they're high score games & good party/group games at at that. Its just if half the people who played them put as much effort into the real thing, they'd surprise themselves

ghostchant

Enternow, what's your take on Rocksmith, since it's using a real guitar and effectively using the game to teach you. Used to play guitar myself in a couple of mediocre bands in my teens, still loved guitar hero when it came out though, less cringeworthy playing that with my brothers than us all being amped up on the sitting room!

Myrddin

ghostchant wrote: »

Enternow, what's your take on Rocksmith, since it's using a real guitar and effectively using the game to teach you. Used to play guitar myself in a couple of mediocre bands in my teens, still loved guitar hero when it came out though, less cringeworthy playing that with my brothers than us all being amped up on the sitting room!

Well Rocksmith I'd see somewhat differently, as it can be used as a teaching aid as you mentioned, & it uses actual guitars rather than joypads shaped like a guitar.

Also as JU said, the others are grand for what they do which is great for just having a laugh/parties etc. I also hate when someone takes a real guitar out at house parties etc, so it spares us from that

I suppose I just get a little grumpy when it comes to them because they're just joypads at the end of the day, & if people actually put the same effort into playing a real guitar they'd be surprised at how good they'd get so quickly. It's cringe-worthy seeing people go on about nailing a solo or some song in GuitarHero etc....

Each to their own & all that, I suppose all I'm saying though is if you actually wanna play a guitar over a joypad, go & do it. It's not like flight sims or driving sims where you can't exactly go out & shoot down a Mig 29 in your F117...or you can't tear around Suzuka in a Ferarri F430 in real life without being very lucky...but you can learn guitar, quite easily & cheaply

Atavan-Halen

I see them the same way as rhythm games like elite beat agents or taiko. Same sort of feeling when you finally nail that solo on hard as when you finally beat that level that you thought was impossible.

CiDeRmAn

Game & Watch Gallery arrived this morning and a perfectly formed little jewel it is too!
Only 3 euro and the price of a couple of stamps.

The Last Bandit

Picked up this pair of classics today (for the Atari ST) both in perfect condition. Stuff like this dates back to a time where the packaging was as important as the content

Myrddin

YEAH B1TCH!!!









I know a few here don't like them, but I do, & thats all that matters {Father Phintan Stack voice}

It's 100% yellow free, complete with smarties joypad etc. I have the bits to make up the MD1 power supply loom, & I have an RGB Scart from consolegoods for it {the PAL RGB GC lead is the same lead they make for the US Snes}

I'll remove the two tabs then that let PAL & NTSC-J carts fit in, & it'll be 100% universal.

Jen-qui

Retr0gamer

EnterNow wrote: »

{the PAL RGB GC lead is the same lead they make for the US Snes}

You sure about that? I had to mod my GC lead for it to work with the PAL version.

CiDeRmAn

Awesome GET!
Well done!




WANT!!!!!!!

Myrddin

Retr0gamer wrote: »

You sure about that? I had to mod my GC lead for it to work with the PAL version.

Yep, scroll down to the second listed RGB scart - http://www.robwebb1.plus.com/snes/snes_hard.htm

Andrew76

EnterNow wrote: »

I know a few here don't like them, but I do, & thats all that matters {Father Phintan Stack voice}

Exactly!

Always liked the look of the US one. Top GET.

Myrddin

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Awesome GET!
Well done!

WANT!!!!!!!

I think you need one of these before you buy a Move kit

Edit - Actually in the above pics it looks like the lower half of the casing is yellowed, it's a weird effect of the light I think because to the eye its the same colour as the top case. I seen a few on ebay that looked like this & actually passed them by thinking it was yellowing!

Jack burton

Welcome to the NTSC SNES club

Probably the only time I'll get to say that on this forum so I'll take full advantage!

OwaynOTT

Washed in coke smarties joypad. I also think it looks absolutely gorgeous!

Jack burton

Only problem is that prepare to have your wallet emptied with all the great SNES games that you want and the price of them

Myrddin

Jack burton wrote: »

Only problem is that prepare to have your wallet emptied with all the great SNES games that you want and the price of them

I can now officially build up a collection of carts. I actually think collecting NTSC-J and NTSC-U in the long run will be cheaper, given the cheaper cost per unit. Sure the postage will be higher, but I'll try stick to NTSC-J where possible, & NTSC-U where I have to/want to. The JP postage & cart prices for the common stuff is very reasonable, & the US carts are dirt cheap too until you get to the normally expensive stuff anyways.

The question is now, what do I do with my existing PAL carts? Replace them with NTSC dopplegangers, or leave them be if they're happy running at 60hz? I've a fully CIB Zelda 3, the three Star Wars games all cib, etc...

Retr0gamer

Collecting NTSC is definitely cheaper. The problem is if you go JRPG. Those Square and Enix games and Earthbound don't go cheap!

If you go PAL you can just pretend Secret of Mana and Terranigma were the only ones ever released.

Jack burton

Well go NTSC-J for every game you can, boxes are way cooler anyway. But any text heavy RPG will have to come from the US of A.

Problem is that we're boxed in over here, theres no chance of us coming across a load of NTSC Snes carts at a car boot sale or anything so we pretty much have to pay all the going rates

Myrddin

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Collecting NTSC is definitely cheaper. The problem is if you go JRPG. Those Square and Enix games and Earthbound don't go cheap!

If you go PAL you can just pretend Secret of Mana and Terranigma were the only ones ever released.

Thankfully it's not a genre I've any interest in.....yet

Jack burton

Who says Steve SI is the only person to have 2 of everything :pac:




I got another My Pet Monster, needed the handcuffs and I said id sell keep one and see the other but looks like I'm keep both now haha

Retr0gamer

Pfft! PAL Final Fantasys!

(The only ones I have... and FFVII is Platinum )

Myrddin

The seller of that NES contacted me, apparently it was a mistake by him listing shipping as $15 to Ireland. He asked me if it was possible to throw him another $10 & he'd cover the rest.

I threw him another $15 because he seemed genuine about it, but I still got it shipped for about €22 in total which is under half what most others are charging so I'm happy with that.

Now, to order a 72pin from Rewind Bits. Never actually fit one of those before

Retr0gamer

I fit a 72-pin adapter just there and still have trouble with it. Make sure to stretch the pin upwards before fitting it. Usually the major porblem is the carts being dirt. It might seem like a good idea but don't blow into the cart, it makes life much worse, they really do get oxidised a lot easier if you do! Give them a good clean and try to avoid natures natural reaction to cartridges not working

Myrddin

Retr0gamer wrote: »

I fit a 72-pin adapter just there and still have trouble with it. Make sure to stretch the pin upwards before fitting it. Usually the major porblem is the carts being dirt. It might seem like a good idea but don't blow into the cart, it makes life much worse, they really do get oxidised a lot easier if you do! Give them a good clean and try to avoid natures natural reaction to cartridges not working

Yep, when that arrives I'll have to do a NES cart clearout & replace them with NTSC-U ones so no doubt I'll be cleaning those newer ones. Still though, it's 60Hz goodness...it's worth it

Retr0gamer

Very few PAL games are optimised for 50Hz. I'd say you could play them all on the NTSC machine and they will work fine. The only one I came across that was PAL optimised was the first Mario game.

Myrddin

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Very few PAL games are optimised for 50Hz. I'd say you could play them all on the NTSC machine and they will work fine. The only one I came across that was PAL optimised was the first Mario game.

Isn't there timing issues, particularly with music, when you play a PAL Nes cart in a 60Hz machine?

Retr0gamer

EnterNow wrote: »

Isn't there timing issues, particularly with music, when you play a PAL Nes cart in a 60Hz machine?

Depends of the game. Most games are just the NTSC game but with a PAL lock out chip, the music hasn't been touched and gameplay not sped up. Stuff like Castlevania play really slowly with crappy music since the code hasn't been changed at all. I think Megaman 2 is the same.

If the music sounds grand on 60Hz then you know it's a lazy PAL port. I'd say Nintendo were the only ones that attempted PAL optimisation on the NES. You can easily tell if the music isn't right.

Myrddin

Retr0gamer wrote: »

Depends of the game. Most games are just the NTSC game but with a PAL lock out chip, the music hasn't been touched and gameplay not sped up. Stuff like Castlevania play really slowly with crappy music since the code hasn't been changed at all. I think Megaman 2 is the same.

So if the game plays really slowly, you know its not optimised for 50Hz & is just a 60Hz game running at 50Hz is it?

If the music sounds grand on 60Hz then you know it's a lazy PAL port. I'd say Nintendo were the only ones that attempted PAL optimisation on the NES. You can easily tell if the music isn't right.

So if I play my existing carts on the NTSC Nes, & they sound fine, then sure enough its a lazy PAL version & is ok to keep?

Retr0gamer

Yes if they sound and play fine. The music should sound really awful when sped up so you'll know but if you want to be sure just check out a youtube video of the NTSC game. When I played PAL mario on my NTSC NES the controls felt all kinds of wrong and the music was way too fast, it was very noticable. Stuff like Castlevania, you'll find the music sounds better and the game plays an awful lot better. If it runs too fast you'll usually know because it will just feel wrong.

Again check youtube to be sure, it should make it very obvious.

Rare developed games might be another exception to the crap PAL ports but outside of a few games like Battletoads they made an awful lot of crap for LJN so again you might not even want to play their games

Myrddin

Done

CiDeRmAn

I went totally unoriginal and bought Gran Turismo 5 for the PS3.
Of course now I have to wait a few hours whilst it catches up with all the updates.
So that's the PS3 tied up for the rest of the day!
It only cost 15 in Tesco, so not too bad.
They also have Rage and LBP2 for 15.

Myrddin

Retr0gamer wrote: »

You sure about that? I had to mod my GC lead for it to work with the PAL version.

Just to confirm, the Gamecube PAL RGB scart from Consolegoods works perfectly with the NTSC Snes as advertised. No hassle, no hum, just beautiful RGB goodness.

Also the guide by mmmonkey for the MD1 PSU works a charm, really nice little solution.

So there you go, its working away & had a quick blast of Contra 3 to celebrate. I'll remove the cart tabs tomorrow so PAL/SFC carts fit.

Nes, your next. Over & out

Hank Scorpio

EnterNow wrote: »

YEAH B1TCH!!!

Sweet dude, looks in great condition.

Really wanna pick up, been looking around but fairly strapped for cash at the moment :mad:

What bugs me abit about modded pal snes's is some games give lag when you play them. Like DKC games are pal optimised so they don't work perfect in 60hz, and some games like castlevania 4 etc give extra lag too There all perfectly playable of course but it bugs me abit sometimes Theres a slight timing difference between the pal and ntsc consoles or so I read before and it affects some games, but not many

OwaynOTT

I shall be buying a GameCube rgb cable from them so.

CiDeRmAn

Might have my beady eyes on a NTSC Super Ninty.
Going to use parcelmotel to bring it in, cheaper and my own personal Sauron will have no idea something is entering Mordor the house!

Myrddin

OwaynOTT wrote: »

I shall be buying a GameCube rgb cable from them so.

Its listed in the Snes category, just mention what you want it for too to be safe

CiDeRmAn

Well, jumped in with both feet.
An US Snes, with the innards already fiddled with is now on it's way to the nearest parcel motel.
It seems to be modded, so not only was the might snips used to enable Jap titles, it'll also run Euro games as well.
It comes with one proper controller and a spurious PSU.
Also included are three games, Super Godzilla, which is a US title, Aladdin, which is Pal and Super Genjiin 2, otherwise known as BC Kid: Bonks Revenge 2, which is a jap title.

And all for about €70 delivered.

Now the console is a tad yellowed but it might be right for whitening up, if anyone has a bottle of the miracle stuff handy!

Once it arrives and I see that it is working fine, I'll get Starfox and finally see how it is supposed to be played.... 60Hz FTW!

Dale Parish

Ordered another IBM XT.
Instead an IBM 5150 arrived. Winnage. Perfect for playing Digger and Elite:cool:..... :pac:


Needs some restoration so I'll be working on that one over the next week or two....

Myrddin

CiDeRmAn wrote: »

Well, jumped in with both feet.
An US Snes, with the innards already fiddled with is now on it's way to the nearest parcel motel.
It seems to be modded, so not only was the might snips used to enable Jap titles, it'll also run Euro games as well.
It comes with one proper controller and a spurious PSU.
Also included are three games, Super Godzilla, which is a US title, Aladdin, which is Pal and Super Genjiin 2, otherwise known as BC Kid: Bonks Revenge 2, which is a jap title.

And all for about €70 delivered.

Now the console is a tad yellowed but it might be right for whitening up, if anyone has a bottle of the miracle stuff handy!

Once it arrives and I see that it is working fine, I'll get Starfox and finally see how it is supposed to be played.... 60Hz FTW!

A trend has now started I fear

No mods are needed to make PAL titles work, just the two snipped off tabs. When it comes to PAL Locked titles, yes you could add switches for Region/50Hz but I'd rather just buy NTSC versions of those titles

Well done on the purchase man. Make sure & pick up an RGB scart for it too