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Why did you bin it and who is the dimond bros.?
Brer. I enjoy the Roman Mass as much as I enjoy the UGCC Liturgy ( where I feel more comfortable although I like all of the rites of the Church ).
I think we as Christians need to learn how to embrace all the rites and Liturgies of the Universal Church if we are to be happy in The Lord.
The DVD's were a mixtures of documentries, one was titled the Third Secret of Fatima, the impostor Sr. Lucia. I read one of their articles online and they call the current Pope the Anti-Christ among other things, they are not in good standing with the Church.
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gimmebroadband wrote: »The DVD's were a mixtures of documentries, one was titled the Third Secret of Fatima, the impostor Sr. Lucia. I read one of their articles online and they call the current Pope the Anti-Christ among other things, they are not in good standing with the Church.
Ah thats right. My father had one of those dvds put through his door, with his house address on it but no stamp it just simply said our family name on it and said ''for the c/o X family''.
My father didnt know what it was so he took it to my house to watch it with me, because he thinks I know about these things.
I stuck on the DVD and when they were talking about the imposter, Sr.Lucia I thought ''ah does not sound good'' and looked very SSPX from the beginning. I looked up the website mentioned on the disc itself and then realised when I saw they were calling Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI heretics and anti-popes etc that they were certainly the fundamentalist SSPX group.
So like you we just binned it straight away. They need our prayers. Like I said in another thread, there is a fundamentalist group in our Church and a liberal one. They are causing much spiritual harm to the faithful and leading everyone astray. Nothing new, we've always in the 2000 year history of the Church had liberals and fundamentalists in the Church but they are always dealt with eventually but never completely gotten rid of.0 -
gimmebroadband wrote: »I was there with my son, thought it was excellent!
Did you see the guy near the entrance to the market/carpark giving out free DVDs? The dvd's were compiled by the Dimond Bros. - I binned it!
Was he at the gate there on the main street? Poorly dressed? I thought he was a begger! I didn't go in that gate. I parked round the other side.Why did you bin it and who is the dimond bros.?
Brer. I enjoy the Roman Mass as much as I enjoy the UGCC Liturgy ( where I feel more comfortable although I like all of the rites of the Church ).
I think we as Christians need to learn how to embrace all the rites and Liturgies of the Universal Church if we are to be happy in The Lord.
They are sede vacantists. They claim to be Benedictine brothers but they aren't.
I think the Church needs to speed up this reform of the reform and start respecting the Roman Rite. We could learn a lot I'm sure from how the Easterners do things. I need to be nourished by a reverent, sacred Liturgy, and right now that's not happening, not where I live.
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WRONG.
Diamond Brothers are NOT SSPX. Have a look round their website and you will see. They actually have dialogues where they argue with SSPX priests who they are not in agreement with. SSPX recognise BXVI as the Pope, Diamond Brothers do not.
Please Onesimus, be more careful about doing some research before making such statements.Ah thats right. My father had one of those dvds put through his door, with his house address on it but no stamp it just simply said our family name on it and said ''for the c/o X family''.
My father didnt know what it was so he took it to my house to watch it with me, because he thinks I know about these things.
I stuck on the DVD and when they were talking about the imposter, Sr.Lucia I thought ''ah does not sound good'' and looked very SSPX from the beginning. I looked up the website mentioned on the disc itself and then realised when I saw they were calling Pope John Paul II and Pope Benedict XVI heretics and anti-popes etc that they were certainly the fundamentalist SSPX group.
So like you we just binned it straight away. They need our prayers. Like I said in another thread, there is a fundamentalist group in our Church and a liberal one. They are causing much spiritual harm to the faithful and leading everyone astray. Nothing new, we've always in the 2000 year history of the Church had liberals and fundamentalists in the Church but they are always dealt with eventually but never completely gotten rid of.It is because on 24th October television goes from analog to digital. You probably have a digital tv but are viewing the analog channels on it.
Bit daft. I was wondering what the heck is that. It actually looks like the Mass was pre-recorded or something, what with the wee red logo, which looks like a red square until you look closely.0 -
Was he at the gate there on the main street? Poorly dressed? I thought he was a begger! I didn't go in that gate. I parked round the other side.
They are sede vacantists. They claim to be Benedictine brothers but they aren't.
I think the Church needs to speed up this reform of the reform and start respecting the Roman Rite. We could learn a lot I'm sure from how the Easterners do things. I need to be nourished by a reverent, sacred Liturgy, and right now that's not happening, not where I live.
Thank you. I do believe the Eastern Liturgy and Churches should be more established here and around the whole of Ireland. A mini invasion ( if I could put it that way ) to wake up the west. It has been known that many Roman Catholics having gone to an eastern liturgy then return to their own rite with much more appreciation for their Roman Rite Mass. It wakes them up and incites within them a feeling of taking their faith more seriously.
You are right that if the faith is been given to us more seriously then we will take it more seriously. But I have been to the Masses with just guitars and tamborines and I find the music to be very sacred and sincere. It all depends. I was at one Roman liturgy in my town and they began singing X-Factor songs like Hallelujah by Leonard cohen ( a secular song ) and I was absolutely disgusted.
If you are weak ( and we all have our weaknesses ) and find it difficult to enjoy the Liturgy you are in, Come down to Blessed Nicholas Parish in Dublin. Bus drops you right outside the college on Lower Drumcondra road and is very accessible. There is also a local hotel should you wish to enjoy Dublin for the weekend that does reasonable rates.
It's all Catholic and you can recieve just be sure to let Fr.Vasyl know who you are before the Liturgy. This is so to protect the Holy Mysteries so that nobody who is not Catholic receives. You will find that in the Byzantine rite the parish priest likes to get to know his parish community so as to keep everything and everyone safe. It is a great community and everyone is welcoming. Fr.Vasyl is extremely kind and welcoming as are the Ukrainian, Greek and all slav community there as well as many Irish who attend.
Many people think that you have to be Ukrainian or something to attend the Liturgy but the Archimandrite Fr.Serge ( Brian ) Kelleher of Blessed Memory was fully Irish hence his name. The UGCC is not a cultural Church and designated only to Ukrainians or Greeks. It is for absolutely everyone so your all welcome on any given Sunday to attend.
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gimmebroadband wrote: »I was there with my son, thought it was excellent!
Did you see the guy near the entrance to the market/carpark giving out free DVDs? The dvd's were compiled by the Dimond Bros. - I binned it!
Where's the market/carpark? What market is it you speak of?0 -
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Well Dublin is too far away. I need something local. Do you mean to ask me if there are Latin N.O. Masses in my area? I don't think such a thing exists on a regular basis in Ireland.
The UK are switching too but don't know when. We have digital so it's not an issue. But I have to say that I think analogu is a more reliable signal that digital. As an example, EWTN and all SKY channels are off air due to a fault with SKY or something. In our other room, the TV has a digital signal but the picture is frequently pixilated.
There's big variation within SSPX faithful. Some would go to the 'indult' Mass, others wouldn't. Some recognise BXVI, others are practically sede vacantist. Some are very extreme in their personal views.
I think the big problem for the RCC in Ireland is the Wal-mart approach - stack em high and sell em cheap. It's long past the time for the smaller, purer Church of people who sincerely believe, or who have the desire to believe. The cultural use of the Church for rights of passage ceremonies and nice wedding venues is an abuse imho. I suppose it is the case when any Church gets big that the quality and sincerity drop off?
It is a latin Mass permitted by Pope Benedict XVI under the direction of Vatican II ( not SSPX Pre-Vatican II ). If you send your Bishop a letter or give him a call he will explain it to you better. Or enquire about it around your parish I'm sure you will find one.
There is one at my local monastery once a month. Give it a try but I'd invite you to give the sspx a wide berth for now until they come back into communion with the Church.
I don't know what you mean about the Church being big and quality/sincerety dropping off?
To be honest I think it's much better for us to focus on prayer and practice of the Gospel first and foremost instead of making our comments on the Liturgies. I think then through our prayer and practice of the faith we will get a better perspective on our own faults and of the various liturgies itself.
Your heart is definitely in the right place I'd just be careful not to head down the fundamentalist sspx route or at least wait until such a thing is sorted out first.
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gimmebroadband wrote: »You know those little shops that sell statues etc, on the way down to the main carpark. There is a giant millenium candle at one side - it's across the road from the Church of the Apparitions!
Oh yes. Well the guy I saw was very poorly dressed, I thought he was some kind of beggar, though I could see he was handing out something.It is a latin Mass permitted by Pope Benedict XVI under the direction of Vatican II ( not SSPX Pre-Vatican II ). If you send your Bishop a letter or give him a call he will explain it to you better. Or enquire about it around your parish I'm sure you will find one.
There is one at my local monastery once a month. Give it a try but I'd invite you to give the sspx a wide berth for now until they come back into communion with the Church.
I don't know what you mean about the Church being big and quality/sincerety dropping off?
Your heart is definitely in the right place I'd just be careful not to head down the fundamentalist sspx route or at least wait until such a thing is sorted out first.
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You mean a New Mass in Latin? Those are as rare as hen's teeth and I know of nowhere in Ireland where there is a regular Sunday New Mass (Novus Ordo/N.O.) in Latin.
You can fulfill your Sunday obligation at SSPX chapel, although Fr Z doesn't recommend doing so regularly: http://wdtprs.com/blog/2011/10/quaeritur-sspx-and-fulfilling-sunday-mass-obligation/
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You are missing the point. It is precisely at Mass that one encounters God in the sacred mystery of the Liturgy and nourished by the Blessed Sacrament. However, the widespread abuses upset and distract sensitive souls, such as myself, and I Know I am not alone in this. Believe me, I am only too well aware of my own faults, but I also have knowledge on the Roman Rite and what is supposed to happen, versus the widespread abuses in the Catholic Church in Ireland concerning liturgical matters.To be honest I think it's much better for us to focus on prayer and practice of the Gospel first and foremost instead of making our comments on the Liturgies. I think then through our prayer and practice of the faith we will get a better perspective on our own faults and of the various liturgies itself.
Sadly, my pastoral needs are not being met.
This is interesting:
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I don't know what you mean about the Church being big and quality/sincerety dropping off?
I really refer to the point made by Pope Benedict in 1969:"From today’s crisis, a Church will emerge tomorrow that will have lost a great deal. She will be small and, to a large extent, will have to start from the beginning. She will no longer be able to fill many of the buildings created in her period of great splendor. Because of the smaller number of her followers, she will lose many of her privileges in society. Contrary to what has happened until now, she will present herself much more as a community of volunteers... As a small community, she will demand much more from the initiative of each of her members and she will certainly also acknowledge new forms of ministry and will raise up to the priesthood proven Christians who have other jobs... There will be an interiorized Church, which neither takes advantage of its political mandate nor flirts with the left or the right. This will be achieved with effort because the process of crystallization and clarification will demand great exertion. It will make her poor and a Church of the little people... All this will require time. The process will be slow and painful."
At the moment, the Church is still humouring and entertaining the rich and the famous, among them the enemies of the Church, including the socialists. This also means that the truth is not proclaimed in its fullness to a world that doesn't want to hear it. There is too much to lose in terms of collection money to preach the truth, which is why we rarely hear any sermons on, for example, the Church teachings on sexual morality. There is still a resistance to preach the full Gospel because too many people will get upset and leave, taking their money with them.0 -
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I really refer to the point made by Pope Benedict in 1969:
At the moment, the Church is still humouring and entertaining the rich and the famous, among them the enemies of the Church, including the socialists. This also means that the truth is not proclaimed in its fullness to a world that doesn't want to hear it. There is too much to lose in terms of collection money to preach the truth, which is why we rarely hear any sermons on, for example, the Church teachings on sexual morality. There is still a resistance to preach the full Gospel because too many people will get upset and leave, taking their money with them.
Thanks brer you give me plenty to think about. But I know for a fact that all these abuses can be resolved without returning to a Pre-Vatican II latin Mass. Even the Vatican I latin Mass had it's abuses too but it didnt mean there was anything wrong with the Mass. These things just need to be dealt with. Regardless of what Fr.Z says I still would not entertain the SSPX in the slightest until they come back into communion with Rome.
By the way, even though Dublin is far from you. You can at least pay a visit to our Divine Liturgy. Think of it as a kind of ''Pilgrimage'' if you want to put it that way.
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Exactly!!! We need to start doing the same here. Same goes for someone who is divorced and re-married with someone else. I heard one priest say once at a prayer group in discussion that he meets someone he knows who is divorced an in a state of mortal sin that he would give them communion because he said that they have to themselves realise what they are doing is wrong.
What a silly thing to say and do. He himself is committing a mortal sin by giving them Communion. It would be akin to Judas handing over Jesus to be taken by the high priests and Crucified.
This is the reason ( as we mentioned earliar ) that people don't take their faith seriously because it is not given to them. It is the priests duty to inform them (out of Love for the Lord and the Divorcee's ) that they are in the wrong and cannot receive.
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joseph brand wrote: »Really? Giving a divorced man bread, is the same as handing a man over to be crucified?
Not a divorced man who lived a celibate life no. But a divorced man who is in a constant state of mortal sin by living in a sexual relationship with another woman then yes. Should the priest have knowledge that he is giving communion to such a couple who are in a constant state of mortal sin then he himself has commited grave/mortal sin by doing so.
If he did not know, and the divorced person does not know it is a mortal sin to do what he did by recieving then he did not commit a mortal sin as commiting a mortal sin requires full knowledge that one is commiting it.0 -
dublinman1990 wrote: »My mum and I was at the Statio Orbis in Croke Park at 12:30 today. We got to Croke Park on 2 Dublin Bus routes; the 7 (To O'Connell Street) and 44 bus (From O'Connell Street). There were plenty of IEC volunteers at the event who were giving directions to pilgrims around the venue.
My mum and I was sitting in a Premium Level seat at Section 507 at the Cusack Stand.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2012/0617/iec-2012-congress.html
The tickets for the event we got were very cheap at €10 each. We thought that the price of the tickets was well worth it going to the ceremony.
I had seen and heard performances from The Priests who three songs , Liam Lawton who performed the Cloud's Veil and The Celtic Tenors who performed You Raise Me Up. The MC's for the Gathering Ceremony if you seen them earlier, were Eileen Dunne and Joe Duffy. They all did a great job.
When the Mass was finished, I had seen a glimpse of Michael D Higgins and his Wife Sabina while passing near Drumcondra Train Station in his presidential car on the way back to the Ara's.
I had also seen Archbishop Desmond Connell outside Croke Park too.
I thought the Mass was a very beautiful ceremony. The communion part of the mass was very organised and it was a very large job to do. I had to receive communion inside the Stadium just near my seat. We had to walk around in a circle and come back again to receive communion.
Overall it was an enjoyable day. I would love do it all again; however the Congress will be going to Sebu in The Philippines. A bishop from the Philippines was delighted with that news today as he told it to the congregation in Dublin.
Did any of the media outlets here in Ireland or your friends mention a small protest outside Croke Park earlier today?
If you haven't heard about it there were a small group of people who had up signs outside the Turnstiles while I was passing the Hogan Stand.
The signs/placards had said something like The Hypocrites of the Church were from the Catholic Church, and a sign with the official RTE logo saying ''RTE is Anti-Catholic".
A sample photo of the protest is here
That was the only bit that spoilt it..........and the rain of course; don't forget.;)
Fabulous that you remembered the protest dublinman I like your broken english posts, that put their point across so very well -
While your mam and you 'was' in the Cusack stand appreciating Joe Duffy.
You even remembered that signs and placards should have a big ole backslash just so that the people who was not there understand what a sign means and a protest too, and how to travel by bus means you probably where there, no doubt brushing up on broken english.
You managed to have a photo too, while you was with your mam in the cusack stand, and receiving communion, and looking forward to the next event that you will no doubt attend too by bus..lol..
Pmsl, are you for real? 'I had also seen Archbishop'....and remember the 'RTE signs', paricularly what they said, because you must have taken notes?? and the weather end my post for today....:pac:
gwan outa that. Would you ever find something useful to do.0 -
Fabulous that you remembered the protest dublinman I like your broken english posts, that put their point across so very well -
While your mam and you 'was' in the Cusack stand appreciating Joe Duffy.
You even remembered that signs and placards should have a big ole backslash just so that the people who was not there understand what a sign means and a protest too, and how to travel by bus means you probably where there, no doubt brushing up on broken english.
You managed to have a photo too, while you was with your mam in the cusack stand, and receiving communion, and looking forward to the next event that you will no doubt attend too by bus..lol..
Pmsl, are you for real? 'I had also seen Archbishop'....and remember the 'RTE signs', paricularly what they said, because you must have taken notes?? and the weather end my post for today....:pac:
gwan outa that. Would you ever find something useful to do.
That's a particularly odd reply to his post, am I missing something?0 -
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joseph brand wrote: »Really? Giving a divorced man bread, is the same as handing a man over to be crucified?
Really there did not seem to be an issue with Bertie Ahern receiving from Archbishop D Connell when he was Taoiseach and when in a relationship with Ms. Larkin. Forgive me for saying this but sometimes the Catholic Church does have double standards.0 -
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