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I'm way too far behind on Atelier but word of mouth seems very good. Apparently there's been a big step up in terms of character writing. Though since I never played the mysterious games I don't know how bad it got.
Haven't seen any reviews yet though.
Mainstream media totally ignoring the series again it seems :mad:
Yet they'll give the Ni No Kuni remaster a stellar review.
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lmao
That's because ~ugu~animu~ugu is creepy, but Ghibli's work doesn't sexualize minors.
It's more Ni No Kuni is a pile of poo. Atelier actually has some very strong and well written protagonists. In comparison to the awful ni no kuni.
Anyway ni no kuni has nothing to do with Ghibli other than the art which explains why its so bad.
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Popularity doesn't mean a game is good. There's no correlation there. I rember when rise of the robots was number 1 in the charts for weeks.
Ni no kuni is bad because it got good reviews from bad reviewers in publications that ignored better games that had advanced the genre in more interesting ways. It's bad just like octopath traveller and bravely default but because they capture the mainstream press they get coverage and that coverage comes from people not keeping up with current Japanese rpgs.
As for ghibli I think they would have made a much more engaging story and narrative than Level 5s Hino did. Hino is a god awful writer and continues that trend with ni no kuni. As for the game design ni no kuni is a distillation of everything bad with level 5 games. Outside of their dragon quest games were they were being directed by armour project they haven't made a good rpg in years. Level 5 are technically talented buy they need a creative lead to take charge as their in house designers have just put out really bad games.
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Dragon Quest was always a bit skeevy, Metal Gear is even worse again.
The skeevy anime games are a result of the console market shrinking in Japan. It's like the anime industry there, they have to appeal to a much smaller market to survive and that dedicated market is unfortunately dominated by perverts so you get some to a lot of fan service and smut.
The atelier developer Gust is guilty of that, they make those games to fund the main Atelier series which, while not totally free of it, is a lot more mature than their other games. It's a pity their games get labelled like that as the Atelier series is usually excellent with some very mature and moving storytelling. Stuff like Totori, Ayesha and Escher and Logy and genuinely amazing games narratively.
As for games as good as PS1 final fantasy games, there's still plenty of games as good as and much better than those games just they get ignored by the press and hence never get the coverage they deserve and get ignored. It leads to false statements just like yours. There's plenty of amazing JRPGs such as pretty much everything from Atlus.
You then get complete thrash like Octopath and Ni no Kuni held up as saviours of a genre that doesn't need saving.
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I'm actively putting off starting this cos I know its gonna gobble up the next 100 hours of my gaming time and I have a few games I want to get to first. It's sitting under the TV calling out to me.
All those other games you want to play?
It's probably better than them.
It's one of those 100+ hour games that just breezes past instead of feeling like a waste of your time 15 hours in.
There's also one puff-puff joke in every game. And they are usually funny and rip on the fact that people expect them to be skeevy. Ref: Dragon Quest 8's hilarious easter egg. To be put off by it is to make ignorant preconceptions.
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Retr0gamer wrote: »
Exactly.
It is what it's supposed to infer to. Always has been. You don't get to say 'that's what it was before, but it's not now' because it fades to black.
It will always be the same inference and attempt at creepy humour.0 -
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So put a lot more time into Atelier Ryza and I'm really enjoying it.
Firstly the game is very linear, unlike other Atelier games. There's plenty of side stuff to do but the main quest is a straight line to the finish. I heard complaints that the game doesn't tell you where to go to advance the story but that's rubbish. There's no map way points but the quest log pretty much spells out what you need to do. Without the time limit the game is even more relaxing.
The games is gorgeous, the new engine works a lot better than the previous one which had lots of issues on PC. This works like a charm and it's the best looking game Gust have put out.
Storywise, it's yet to really get going but I do love the plucky kids wanting to go on an adventure vibe. And just like other Atelier games, it surprisingly handles adult themes quite well. Lent in particular is a fantastic character and him dealing with his alcoholic father is pretty dark at times. Ryza as well is a gem and one of the best protagonists in the series.
Synthesis is totally changed and while it seems complex at the start it does make sense quickly and gives you more control over items and traits, even if its not as freeform as in other Atelier games as the possible traits are predetermined for an item.
The battle system actually feels more like Xenoblade than Grandia to me. You can interrupt attacks but you can carry out attacks that your companions call for to get free attacks and status effects. The battle system is fun but it's a little messy with it being just a bit too fast and having a bit too many options. It's probably the area that needs the most refinement.
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I've been using items as core items. You have to equip the items to each character and you've a certain number of uses until you sleep again. Doing it that way doesn't expend items. Not really figured out if you can use them directly from the basket either. I'll have to check that out.
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Some nice quality of life stuff in there as well. You can check where to pick up items. Also the gems system later let's you convert all your low quality crap from the beginning of the game in something useful.
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