Sinn Fein- Never forget

EURATS

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Corvus Maximus wrote: »

Anders Brevik? You really, really should be on stage with that talent. Entertaining if nothing else, anyway nice attempt to bait there and missing the point as usual I see. Fortunately, I know your modus operandi well enough by now and can thus avoid wasting my time.

Well that's as a elegant way as I've seen to run away from a discussion, fair play. You could admit that you have no coherent counter-argument, but this works just as well.

Well said Corvus maximus. Need to be careful of this type of individual.

I take it he is comfortable with supporting the terror attacks on Afghanistan and on Iraq by the rulers of the GOOD world that is facilitated by our own government with extraordinary rendition flights and US troop movements through Shannon. Irish companies also supply some of the components for the weapons that visit innocent people while they sleep in their beds. Plenty of blood on the governments hands. And on our hands because they "represent" us.

Also, Eamon Gillmore, formerly official Sinn Fein/official IRA...but that's ok right?

Is no surprise that they are anti Sinn Féin. Am not a SF member, but I recognise they are relatively new to southern Irish politics and will therefore need to learn the ropes. The 3 clown parties that have dominated us for years really should know how to run a country at this stage. But as we all know..they DON'T!!!
The way the country voted yesterday shows that they are so greedy and desperate for money to run this uneconomic dump, that they will sell their country for pittance to continue living beyond their means.
It will come to an end. That is for sure!!

Monty Burnz

EURATS wrote: »

Well said Corvus maximus. Need to be careful of this type of individual.

What, someone who sees through Shinner propaganda? Yeah, you need to be careful alright. Sure you can probably round up people like me when the Shinners get into power.

EURATS wrote: »

I take it he is comfortable with supporting the terror attacks on Afghanistan and on Iraq by the rulers of the GOOD world that is facilitated by our own government with extraordinary rendition flights and US troop movements through Shannon. Plenty of blood on the governments hands. And on our hands because they "represent" us.

I take it you approve of slavery and raping dogs.

What, you don't? Well there's a lesson for me in making assumptions about what other people approve of... :rolleyes:

EURATS wrote: »

Also, Eamon Gillmore, formerly official Sinn Fein/official IRA...but that's ok right?

Not at all. If you can provide any sort of evidence of Eamonn Gilmore being involved in murder, I'd love to see it.

EURATS wrote: »

Is no surprise that they are anti Sinn Féin.
The way they voted yesterday shows that they are so greedy and desperate for money to run this uneconomic dump, that they will sell their country for pittance to continue living beyond their means.
It will come to an end. That is for sure!!

They? Who is 'they'? Your army of straw men?

I was hoping for a 'no' vote, as it happens. I think we need to balance the budget ASAP.

Anyway, you carry on building a straw man to argue against - it certainly gives you a reasonable chance of managing a draw at least.

EURATS

Monty, u are so wise to be able to see so clearly through SF propaganda..is a pity you are so blind to all the other parties propaganda. It wouldn't particularly upset me if I heard you were rounded up by anyone who could be bothered. I would hope they would wear rubber gloves when dealing with u in order to protect their own hygiene. Obviously with ur fetish for interfering with dogs, you could be carrying anything.


In relation to Gilmore, can u prove Gerry adams killed anyone? Where's your evidence?

And as for ur other fetish for straw men..keep that sort of info to yourself. I don't think most normal people want to hear about it!!

Hannibal

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Not at all. If you can provide any sort of evidence of Eamonn Gilmore being involved in murder, I'd love to see it.

Actually provide any sort of evidence of Gerry Adams ever being involved in murder because I for one would love to see it.

Son Of A Vidic

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Well that's as a elegant way as I've seen to run away from a discussion, fair play. You could admit that you have no coherent counter-argument, but this works just as well.

No coherent counter argument? There's that sense of humour again - you funny guy. You probably should stop flattering yourself so much though, because it never comes across well.

If you looked at the bigger picture though. You might see how naive it was to compare Andres Brevik to Sinn Fein. Ideologically speaking, they are at opposite ends of the spectrum. Brevik is a right wing extremist, his politics beliefs are more suitably aligned with Ulster Loyalism - UDA/UVF and the English Combat 18 group ect.

I really don't particularly care about the Sinn Fein party, or how successful or unsuccessful they are politically. But it is amazing reading some of the tired, old, gutter press style scare mongering about them. Personally, I have come to terms with them inevitably getting into government in the future.

Shinners this, shinners that, just move on will ya? It's old, it's tired and it's a mindset stuck in the past. Paisley, McGuinness, Robinson, Adams, Trimble and Blair ect, they all left the mire of intransigence behind them. And I commend each and every one of them for doing it.

Yzf R6

Monty Burnz wrote: »

What, someone who sees through Shinner propaganda? Yeah, you need to be careful alright. Sure you can probably round up people like me when the Shinners get into power.

I take it you approve of slavery and raping dogs.

What, you don't? Well there's a lesson for me in making assumptions about what other people approve of... :rolleyes:

Not at all. If you can provide any sort of evidence of Eamonn Gilmore being involved in murder, I'd love to see it.

They? Who is 'they'? Your army of straw men?

I was hoping for a 'no' vote, as it happens. I think we need to balance the budget ASAP.

Anyway, you carry on building a straw man to argue against - it certainly gives you a reasonable chance of managing a draw at least.

Grow up Monty,your arguments are wearing thin on this forum,pointless and childish.Its quite clear your anti SF and thats your right but stop repeating yourself with useless rubbish,at least have a factual debate and see the pros and cons on both sides,and less of bashing people and slagging others off who's opinions differ to your own.

laoch na mona

while all the hatred for sf and not a mention of the dup's past

Monty Burnz

laoch na mona wrote: »

while all the hatred for sf and not a mention of the dup's past

When the DUP come asking for my vote to run the country, they will get plenty of hard questions, don't worry.

getzls

laoch na mona wrote: »

while all the hatred for sf and not a mention of the dup's past

SF=IRA, DUP= well, not an armed terrorist force.

EURATS

Monty Burnz wrote: »

laoch na mona wrote: »

while all the hatred for sf and not a mention of the dup's past

When the DUP come asking for my vote to run the country, they will get plenty of hard questions, don't worry.

A real hard nut ya are monty. Plenty of Viagra and steroids me thinks!!

EURATS

getzls wrote: »

laoch na mona wrote: »

while all the hatred for sf and not a mention of the dup's past

SF=IRA, DUP= well, not an armed terrorist force.

DUP = ulster resistance. Look it up!!

In relation to the IRA, what about the British running agents like steakknife and others who were part of the nutting squad that killed scores of people?

Monty Burnz

Yzf R6 wrote: »

Grow up Monty,your arguments are wearing thin on this forum,pointless and childish.Its quite clear your anti SF and thats your right but stop repeating yourself with useless rubbish,at least have a factual debate and see the pros and cons on both sides,and less of bashing people and slagging others off who's opinions differ to your own.

I'm happy to debate the issues - it's you and your buddies who insist on personalising this, and you've carried this on by attacking me in this post rather than my arguments - torpedoing yourself.

If you have a point to make about my arguments, do that please.

Yzf R6

getzls wrote: »

SF=IRA, DUP= well, not an armed terrorist force.

Oh my god,can the post get any worse,the height of intelligence.....good man,very well educated.

laoch na mona

getzls wrote: »

SF=IRA, DUP= well, not an armed terrorist force.

DUP=bigots who incited hatred during the troubles

Monty Burnz

getzls wrote: »

SF=IRA, DUP= well, not an armed terrorist force.

The DUP have also flirted (putting it mildly) with some pretty dodgy groups in their time.

Mr Cumulonimbus

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I'm sure everybody is delighted that they've stopped murdering people, but that doesn't mean we have to forget what they did in the past, does it? Anders Breivik has stopped killing people too - would you give him a preference if he called to your door?

If i remember rightly those involved in conflict in the North eventually agreed to the GFA, and the conflict ended, which meant that people stopped being killed. Anders Breivik also stopped killing people. So theres a similarity there i guess.

Could you tell me though why he stopped killing people?

Yzf R6

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I'm happy to debate the issues - it's you and your buddies who insist on personalising this, and you've carried this on by attacking me in this post rather than my arguments - torpedoing yourself.

If you have a point to make about my arguments, do that please.

More than happy to debate Monty,but won't really entertain useless tripe to be honest,pointless SF bashing not that I am Sf but I do consider myself Republican minded and proud of it,just don't think you should cast us all as killers etc.If you look back you your own history you may find your not too distant from republican opinions.

Monty Burnz

Mr Cumulonimbus wrote: »

If i remember rightly those involved in conflict in the North eventually agreed to the GFA, and the conflict ended, which meant that people stopped being killed. Anders Breivik also stopped killing people. So theres a similarity there i guess

Could you tell me though why he stopped killing people?

I think it may be because he is in custody. But upon his eventual release, how long does he have to go without killing someone before he becomes a viable candidate?

(much better argument by the way, at least someone is thinking about this stuff)

EURATS

Monty Burnz wrote: »

getzls wrote: »

SF=IRA, DUP= well, not an armed terrorist force.

The DUP have also flirted (putting it mildly) with some pretty dodgy groups in their time.

That's more like it monty. More balance. Also the British and Irish intelligence services(as they like to be called)were up to their neck in it. A filthy setup.

Son Of A Vidic

getzls wrote: »

DUP= well, not an armed terrorist force.

I suspect you missed the DUP = Ulster Resistance, episode of The Troubles.


Sorry EURATS - I see you mentioned them already.

Monty Burnz

EURATS wrote: »

That's more like it monty. More balance. Also the British and Irish intelligence services(as they like to be called)were up to their neck in it. A filthy setup.

I hope I've been clear - the only reason SF are getting it in the neck for their past is because they are looking for my vote. Any other group from any other background will get the same treatment.

laoch na mona

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I think it may be because he is in custody. But upon his eventual release, how long does he have to go without killing someone before he becomes a viable candidate?

(much better argument by the way, at least someone is thinking about this stuff)

who has Pearse Dotherthy killed?

Monty Burnz

laoch na mona wrote: »

who has Pearse Dotherthy killed?

I don't know - nobody, I hope. But the organisation he has aligned himself with is/was the political wing of a group that did kill people.

If I join Fianna Fail tomorrow, would you not criticise me for joining a corrupt organisation (or an organisation with a history of corruption), even though I may not be corrupt myself?

laoch na mona

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I hope I've been clear - the only reason SF are getting it in the neck for their past is because they are looking for my vote. Any other group from any other background will get the same treatment.

they were at war then and i won't defend the bombings but the British started the troubles when they put down the civil rights movement

laoch na mona

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I don't know - nobody, I hope. But the organisation he has aligned himself with is/was the political wing of a group that did kill people.

If I join Fianna Fail tomorrow, would you not criticise me for joining a corrupt organisation (or an organisation with a history of corruption), even though I may not be corrupt myself?

fixed
you could say the same about FF
and no I would judge you as a person

Monty Burnz

laoch na mona wrote: »

fixed
you could say the same about FF

Ok - it's nice to actually talk about the issues.

So wouldn't fault anyone in Fianna Fail for joining a party with a history of corruption?

laoch na mona

Monty Burnz wrote: »

Ok - it's nice to actually talk about the issues.

So wouldn't fault anyone in Fianna Fail for joining a party with a history of corruption?

unless there corrupt no
parties are like families they all have baggage

EURATS

Monty Burnz wrote: »

EURATS wrote: »

That's more like it monty. More balance. Also the British and Irish intelligence services(as they like to be called)were up to their neck in it. A filthy setup.

I hope I've been clear - the only reason SF are getting it in the neck for their past is because they are looking for my vote. Any other group from any other background will get the same treatment.

How were they looking for your vote? It wasn't a general election.

Yzf R6

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I don't know - nobody, I hope. But the organisation he has aligned himself with is/was the political wing of a group that did kill people.

If I join Fianna Fail tomorrow, would you not criticise me for joining a corrupt organisation (or an organisation with a history of corruption), even though I may not be corrupt myself?

Monty,perhaps if you look back in history you may also be more aligned to Republicans than you care to admit,but your not cast as a killer due to things that happend in the past and that we're out of your control.

EURATS

The British, Americans, French etc have more blood on their hands than anybody else. They are killing people as we speak. Do we ignore them for it? No. Our politicians suck up to them looking for their money

Monty Burnz

EURATS wrote: »

How were they looking for your vote? It wasn't a general election.

They want my vote at general elections, local elections, and they want to persuade me to support their position in referenda.

Monty Burnz

Yzf R6 wrote: »

Monty,perhaps if you look back in history you may also be more aligned to Republicans than you care to admit,but your not cast as a killer due to things that happend in the past and that we're out of your control.

I'm happy to admit that I'd like to see a United Ireland. I'm also happy to admit that there was no justification for most of the actions the IRA took, and I find it difficult to support/agree with people who do try to justify most/all of their actions. I think nothing entrenched unionists in their anti-UI position more than the Republican terrorist campaigns.

laoch na mona

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I'm happy to admit that I'd like to see a United Ireland. I'm also happy to admit that there was no justification for most of the actions the IRA took, and I find it difficult to support/agree with people who do try to justify most/all of their actions. I think nothing entrenched unionists in their anti-UI position more than the Republican terrorist campaigns.

you can understand why the IRA were needed?

Yzf R6

Monty Burnz wrote: »

I'm happy to admit that I'd like to see a United Ireland. I'm also happy to admit that there was no justification for most of the actions the IRA took, and I find it difficult to support/agree with people who do try to justify most/all of their actions. I think nothing entrenched unionists in their anti-UI position more than the Republican terrorist campaigns.

Agree to disagree Monty,but I have to say that not all of their actions were unjust,you don't really think we should just bow down and keep quite just because the big boys told us to,do you?

Monty Burnz

laoch na mona wrote: »

you can understand why the IRA were needed?

Only at the very early stage of the Troubles when loyalist mobs were attacking nationalist areas.

EURATS

Monty Burnz wrote: »

EURATS wrote: »

How were they looking for your vote? It wasn't a general election.

They want my vote at general elections, local elections, and they want to persuade me to support their position in referenda.

I voted NO as an individual, not because of any influence from a political party. Am sick of political parties at this stage. They are all full of shît. Simple as.

In 2012 they still get away with broken promises and bullsh1t. No wonder we were ripped off so badly. We allow this behaviour to continue, so we deserve the consequences if the truth be told.
If we can't stand up together and change the system, then history will continue to repeat itself inside this goldfish bowl

K-9

Oh good God of almighty. My 13 year old is more capable of a better standard of debate.

Reading back over this mess I could yellow and red card many posts. It's just too much of a mess but put it this way, I expected a serious upping of standards from when I posted my mod warning. Posts in this thread will be taken down in evidence!