The *ONLY* After Hours thread about the European Championships.

beco2010

80:1

the odds will be 100000:1 by the time we play italy

Johro

Deleted User wrote: »

Oh of course, this was the game we needed to win though. But we could surprise ourselves! It's always the hardest games we do well in.

Tell you what though, anyone who had Italy written off (and there were many who had) should be hanging their heads in shame tonight.

Yeah you can never tell. I remember Holland taking France and Italy apart in the euros by three or four goals each, in their first two games, then getting demolished by Russia.

Rougies

Deleted User wrote: »

Tell you what though, anyone who had Italy written off (and there were many who had) should be hanging their heads in shame tonight.

Yeah but they're only four times world cup winners and nearly beat them in Bari not so long ago, so they're obviously a bit crap!

Opticom

Deleted User wrote: »

When do Ireland ever play "fancy football" to be fair?

Exactly, but thats what some here think the solution is. :rolleyes:

Rougies

Opticom wrote: »

The winning mindset is to win and get the result, not to play fancy football.

No, that's the winners' mindset, which comes after the winning mindset.

Johro

starbelgrade wrote: »

Someone should explain that to Arsne Wenger.

The problem with Arsenal is, they always try to walk it in.

mickgotsick

I think we need to adopt the 6:2:2 formation and bring back Brady

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AYpRn2Nl_zs

Johro

Opticom wrote: »

Exactly, but thats what some here think the solution is. :rolleyes:

Bollocks. But getting them to pass the ball around a bit shouldn't be too much too ask, and if that's beyond their capabilities they should get the hell out of the competion tbh. Nobody said they should turn into stars overnight. But hoofing the ball up the pitch in hope is not football.

My name is URL

I still think we've a fair chance of qualifying. Croatia will beat Spain and we'll beat Italy

Opticom

Johro wrote: »

Bollocks. But getting them to pass the ball around a bit shouldn't be too much too ask, and if that's beyond their capabilities they should get the hell out of the competion tbh. Nobody said they should turn into stars overnight. But hoofing the ball up the pitch in hope is not football.

Ireland tried that for about 60 years and never qualified for a major tournament. Then the 'hoof it up the field' got us into Euro '88 to the quater finals of the world cup in '90, the world cup in 2002 and to Euro 2012. The talent is not there, face facts.

Johro

My name is URL wrote: »

I still think we've a fair chance of qualifying. Croatia will beat Spain and we'll beat Italy

If Carlsberg did Euro 2012..

John Doe1

Hopefully we get racially abused in the next match and the match gets abandoned:D

Opticom

Opticom wrote: »

Exactly, but thats what some here think the solution is. :rolleyes:

I don't think that's what people are saying at all

Opticom

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't think that's what people are saying at all

Some are, if you read back though the posts, that's what we're talking about.

Johro

Opticom wrote: »

Ireland tried that for about 60 years and never qualified for a major tournament. The hoof it up the field got us to the quater finals of the world cup. The talent is not there, face facts.

Surely there's got to be a little more to their repertoire than that. Look, all I'm saying is that big ballooning punts upfield is just handing it straight back to the opposition. Given was guilty of it all night. Keep the ball down and pass it to create openings. If ya can't do that, you don't deserve to be there.

Rougies

Opticom wrote: »

Ireland tried that for about 60 years and never qualified for a major tournament. The hoof it up the field got us to the quater finals of the world cup. The talent is not there, face facts.

It will never be there with that attitude. It may be a good thing Ireland lost tonight because it might show young players in this country the way NOT to play. I'm sure they were watching the Italy/Spain game and hopefully took a lot more guidance from that.

Happyman42

I wouldn't judge Spain or Italy just yet, I'd like to see how they cope with us playing in their faces, and hassling them in good old what we do best style. 'Go and compete' neither of those teams will respond well to it imo. Spain find it hard to score...draw there and Italy could be rattled if it's all to play for in the last game. Lot of football left in this group yet and stranger things have happened. Not a lot but..............:D

Rougies

Johro wrote: »

Surely there's got to be a little more to their repertoire than that. Look, all I'm saying is that big ballooning punts upfield is just handing it straight back to the opposition. Given was guilty of it all night. Keep the ball down and pass it to create openings. If ya can't do that, you don't deserve to be there.

Hey, careful now, we qualified so we deserve to be there! But I agree the manner we qualified is not exactly inspirational.

Johro

Rougies wrote: »

Hey, careful now, we qualified so we deserve to be there! But I agree the manner we qualified is not exactly inspirational.

Well I keep being told in this thread that all yiz are capable of is the big hoof up the pitch, to be fair.
I didn't see that much of the qualification and maybe I expected more exactly because you qualified. I think the 'it's all we're capable of' attitude is self defeating.

DEFTLEFTHAND

I was just looking at a report of the game on one of the red tops website. Some really vile, nasty and racial comments were left by our friends across the water.
Hope France silence them tomorrow.

Opticom

Rougies wrote: »

It will never be there with that attitude.

You don't create talent with attitude or hype, did the celtic tiger teach you nothing ?

Johro

Opticom wrote: »

You don't create talent with attitude or hype, did the celtic tiger teach you nothing ?

Telling them to knock it long doesn't exactly create talent.

mackg

Johro wrote: »

That just makes every game a lottery. I've seen Irish teams knock the ball around with confidence in games under previous managers. Maybe it's him then.

Name those managers

Copper_pipe

i see shay given is being brought in for a random drugs test

Scioch

John Doe1 wrote: »

Hopefully we get racially abused in the next match and the match gets abandoned:D

What if we racially abuse ourselves, get the match abandoned and then afterwards claim we were just havin the craic ?

Johro

mackg wrote: »

Name those managers

Any one of 'em. I've seen Ireland passing the ball and generally playing much better, it's not an unknown quantity. It's not something that's never happened before. You all remember games where Ireland played well. If this long ball strategy persists maybe a manager with a little more ambition is what's needed. You can't win if you keep giving the ball away.

Opticom

Johro wrote: »

Telling them to knock it long doesn't exactly create talent.

You don't 'create' talent at professional level, either they have it at that stage or they don't.

Latchy

mickgotsick wrote: »

I think we need to adopt the 6:2:2 formation and bring back Brady

Funny enough I'm old enough to remember the Eoin Hand era and when Jack Charlton took over from Hand (who was unlucky not to be the first manager to get Ireland to two football finals ) he left Charlton the nucleus of that team he took to Euro 88 ,including Liam Brady who was not in Jacks 'long ball ' game .

We don't have a Liam Brady /Roy Keane type player in the Ireland squad , players not afraid to take on , beat players in the box and score ...basically make defenders aware of and to give a hard time of it . Ireland to fans and neutrals alike ,are not sweet on the eye to watch and most teams have Ireland sussed so until we find or produce these type players who have the skill and the confidence to pass the ball around ,Ireland will always just be at these tournaments to make up the numbers .

Copper_pipe wrote: »

i see shay given is being brought in for a random drugs test

He was unlucky with the 3rd goal but still , a sharper Shay Given on his day would have saved those headers .

Latchy

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I was just looking at a report of the game on one of the red tops website. Some really vile, nasty and racial comments were left by our friends across the water.
Hope France silence them tomorrow.

You really shouldn't pay to much attention to those red tops ,it's just a couple of tools on the overtime night shift who are paid to stir up the **** regardless of the nationality .

I hope England destroy France tomorrow . ( they probably won't )

Super-Rush

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Opticom

Super-Rush wrote: »

http://www.abload.de/img/wut_2cjd3a.gif

Nice, she's polish btw.

Rougies

Johro wrote: »

Well I keep being told in this thread that all yiz are capable of is the big hoof up the pitch, to be fair.
I didn't see that much of the qualification and maybe I expected more exactly because you qualified. I think the 'it's all we're capable of' attitude is self defeating.

Exactly. It's more depressing than the loss today itself. Everybody making excuses and saying we were unlucky and the "ah sure aren't we great to there in the first place" attitude. It's really annoying. We played terrible football today and deserved to lose.
You didn't miss anything from the qualifying campaign really. The highlight was Russia completely dominating us in Moscow but yet we held them to an "heroic" 0-0 draw. The media loved it of course.

starbelgrade

"De Gaffah" - aka Steve Staunton - was one of the pundits on MOTD tonight.

Watched the Spain v Italy highlights. Seemed like a decent game - odd set-ups from both teams though. No strikers for Spain & a back three for Italy made up of two centre backs and a midfielder.

Johro

Opticom wrote: »

You don't create talent with attitude or hype, did the celtic tiger teach you nothing ?

Opticom wrote: »

You don't 'create' talent at professional level, either they have it at that stage or they don't.

Answered your own post there too.
I can't see Ireland doing much, playing the way they are, okay? I think the long ball strategy's at fault, I realise players have their limitations but simple passing of the ball and keeping possession should not be beyond them. And it's not. There's no lack of drive, but a lack of confidence, and maybe ambition. Just repeating 'we just don't have the players' doesn't change the fact they can do more than 'the big hoof up the pitch', which is hopeful at best and usually results in the opposition picking it up end starting their next attack. Every time Given got the ball you knew exactly what he was going to do with it, and the same goes for the player in green who did happen to get on the end of it, another big ballooning cross for a Croat to head away.

Latchy

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Opticom wrote: »

Nice, she's polish btw.

Really ? ...ahhh .

Having seen her on the tv screen tonight I was thinking '' this knocks on the head once and for all that Ireland doesn't have beautiful good looking women '' :pac:

Opticom

Johro wrote: »

Answered your own post there too.

Nope, just restated the facts you've been trying to ignore

Johro wrote: »

I can't see Ireland doing much, playing the way they are, okay? I think the long ball strategy's at fault, I realise players have their limitations but simple passing of the ball and keeping possession should not be beyond them. And it's not. There's no lack of drive, but a lack of confidence, and maybe ambition. Just repeating 'we just don't have the players' doesn't change the fact they can do more than 'the big hoof up the pitch', which is hopeful at best and usually results in the opposition picking it up end starting their next attack. Every time Given got the ball you knew exactly what he was going to do with it, and the same goes for the player in green who did happen to get on the end of it, another big ballooning cross for a Croat to head away.

Grand, but if they played your brand of football, it would have been nice to watch for 5 mins, and then it would have been a 6 - 1 defeat. You're not facing facts.

Opticom

Latchy wrote: »

http://h13.abload.de/img/wut_2cjd3a.gif

Really ? ...ahhh .

Having seen her on the tv screen tonight I was thinking '' this knocks on the head once and for all that Ireland doesn't have beautiful good looking women '' :pac:

I have to hand it to the TV producers in EURO 2012, the hot chick in the crowd shots are a very welcome development.

Johro

Latchy wrote: »

http://h13.abload.de/img/wut_2cjd3a.gif

Really ? ...ahhh .

Having seen her on the tv screen tonight I was thinking '' this knocks on the head once and for all that Ireland doesn't have beautiful good looking women '' :pac:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3jI6HJFvNA

oxo_

I actually think *some* players are on the take, involved in match fixing, whatever you want to call it.
Whether it's "silly accidents", "losing concentration" (in the first half ffs), defenders ball watching in their own box while their own striker is the only one to take it upon himself and get the ball to clear it or the "wow really, you pass the ball slowly across your own fking goal wtf" moments. Sorry but, stinks of match fixing. Same with Cech the other night, professional "oh I forgot to fully extend my arms" moment for the third goal. Fk off !

How you can get to such a high level of professional football and have the above and other such obvious crap happen as if they were just "honest mistakes guv" is beyond me. It stinks.

So with that in mind, I felt the game was intentionally thrown against Croatia as betting wise, they were the one team of the three we have to play that were considered the weakest, and by all accounts the vast majority of punters in Ireland laid down bets for an Irish win.
Smart money will be put now on Ireland beating both Spain and Italy and qualifying out of the group along with Croatia.

Johro

Copper_pipe wrote: »

i see shay given is being brought in for a random drugs test

Shay wasn't high, the balls out to the players were.

KerranJast

Opticom wrote: »

Johro wrote: »

Bollocks. But getting them to pass the ball around a bit shouldn't be too much too ask, and if that's beyond their capabilities they should get the hell out of the competion tbh. Nobody said they should turn into stars overnight. But hoofing the ball up the pitch in hope is not football.

Ireland tried that for about 60 years and never qualified for a major tournament. Then the 'hoof it up the field' got us into Euro '88 to the quater finals of the world cup in '90, the world cup in 2002 and to Euro 2012. The talent is not there, face facts.

The team of 2002 was one of the most creative teams we've ever had. Mick McCarthy had us playing great stuff.

As for the previous 60 years a combination of gross FAI mismanagement and very dodgy referreeing robbed us in the 70s and early 80s.

Latchy

QUOTE BY Johro

I got ''Emmbedding Disabled By Request ''

But anyhows , my post was more a pun on all those AH threads on the merits of good/bad looking Irish women v '' dem forren wans ''

Johro

Opticom wrote: »

Grand, but if they played your brand of football, it would have been nice to watch for 5 mins, and then it would have been a 6 - 1 defeat. You're not facing facts.

They can't hold on to the ball and put together some low passes for more than five minutes? Don't tell me I'm not facing facts. Endlessly. I'm relaying what happened on the pitch today.
I've faced the fact it doesn't work.

Latchy

Opticom wrote: »

I have to hand it to the TV producers in EURO 2012, the hot chick in the crowd shots are a very welcome development.

Yep ,very pleasant distraction and much more to come .

Johro

Latchy wrote: »

I got ''Embedding Disabled By Request ''

But anyhows , my post was more a pun on all those AH threads on the merits of good/bad looking Irish women v '' dem forren wans ''

You'll have to click on 'watch on youtube' then. It's worth it. Yeah I never got the 'Irish Wimminz Are Ugly' thing. It's just crap.

4zn76tysfajdxp

oxo_ wrote: »

I actually think *some* players are on the take, involved in match fixing, whatever you want to call it.
Whether it's "silly accidents", "losing concentration" (in the first half ffs), defenders ball watching in their own box while their own striker is the only one to take it upon himself and get the ball to clear it or the "wow really, you pass the ball slowly across your own fking goal wtf" moments. Sorry but, stinks of match fixing. Same with Cech the other night, professional "oh I forgot to fully extend my arms" moment for the third goal. Fk off !

I see.

How you can get to such a high level of professional football and have the above and other such obvious crap happen as if they were just "honest mistakes guv" is beyond me. It stinks.

Ooookay...

So with that in mind, I felt the game was intentionally thrown against Croatia as betting wise, they were the one team of the three we have to play that were considered the weakest, and by all accounts the vast majority of punters in Ireland laid down bets for an Irish win.
Smart money will be put now on Ireland beating both Spain and Italy and qualifying out of the group along with Croatia.

Right.

Latchy

Johro wrote: »

You'll have to click on 'watch on youtube' then. It's worth it. Yeah I never got the 'Irish Wimminz Are Ugly' thing. It's just crap.

Strangly enough ,my sister is married to a Dutchman to

Johro

Latchy wrote: »

Strangly enough ,my sister is married to a Dutchman to

Yeah we only come here for the women :pac:

neaideabh

Don't know if this was already here but....
Any have a link to a clip of the start? When the teams were coming out of the tunnel, there were lads carrying a huge Irish flag over the crowd in the stand. The flag said "Sharon Curleys' pregnant". It was funny as fcuk!

Latchy

Johro wrote: »

Yeah we only come here for the women :pac:

Actually ,my sister lives in Hollond which is were she met her husband :pac:( she's still lives there now to )

neaideabh wrote: »

Don't know if this was already here but....
Any have a link to a clip of the start? When the teams were coming out of the tunnel, there were lads carrying a huge Irish flag over the crowd in the stand. The flag said "Sharon Curleys' pregnant". It was funny as fcuk!

Again ? :eek: