Cyberpunk - CD Project Red

Zero-Cool · 13-06-2019 12:42pm

Eurogamer and polygon both need to **** off.

martyos121 · 13-06-2019 12:46pm

I still haven't gone back to Eurogamer since the KC Deliverance review. Authors like that with a huge platform such as Eurogamer is a recipe for disaster.

johnny_ultimate · 13-06-2019 12:47pm

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Eurogamer and polygon both need to **** off.

For... sitting down with a designer and chatting about an artistic decision they made that has generated discussion? Both websites are actually leading with CD Projekt Red's response to it - prioritising the studio's take on it rather than the negative reaction. Seems to me to be very much giving the studio the benefit of the doubt rather than hopping on any outrage.

Also, here's Jessica Harvey of Paratopic's response to it:

https://twitter.com/oysterFAKE/status/1138605207217004544

Zero-Cool · 13-06-2019 12:51pm

I just meant in general

Fourier · 13-06-2019 12:54pm

I've played the RPG a good bit, not surprised they chose Night City, it's probably one of the best done setting books in Tabletop RPGs.

johnny_ultimate · 13-06-2019 12:54pm

Zero-Cool wrote: »

I just meant in general

But you cited them in response to this particular issue, despite them both taking a perfectly reasonable approach to discussing this? Would you accept that they aren't attempting to generate any outrage over this, and in fact trying to have a balanced discussion about it that prioritises the developers response over a couple of tweets?

Fourier · 13-06-2019 12:56pm

TTRPG spoilers:

Keanu Reeves is Johnny Silverhand? In the canon of the Tabletop he would be dead by 2077. I wonder what's going on.

Zero-Cool · 13-06-2019 1:10pm

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

But you cited them in response to this particular issue, despite them both taking a perfectly reasonable approach to discussing this? Would you accept that they aren't attempting to generate any outrage over this, and in fact trying to have a balanced discussion about it that prioritises the developers response over a couple of tweets?

I just saw their names and said how I felt, still stand by it. Had to stop following them a while back from **** reporting. Just because they can get on the good side of things for once won't change my mind on them.

However, I am glad the dev is able to portray his side, just sad he even has to give a response on it.

Fourier, from gameplay at E3, reporters have given more insight into Keanu/Johnny's character and what he's doing there. Not sure how much of the story you're trying to avoid so I'll put the below in spoilers.

Johnny Silverhand

Hinted that he's a digital ghost and only the player can see him, he pops up talking to the character frequently.

Potential-Monke · 13-06-2019 1:17pm

Fourier wrote: »

Keanu Reeves is Johnny Silverhand? In the canon of the Tabletop he would be dead by 2077. I wonder what's going on.

Ok, I'm all for people who know the setting to discuss it, and this is not in response to this particular post, I'm just using it to highlight it.

Some of us have never heard of Cyberpunk 2077 before, and all of this is new to us. Please, if you want to discuss lore or anything from the ttrpg, I ask to use spoilers because I want to experience all of this for the first time with the game itself, and not have potential plot points, settings or, anything really, spoiled.

I've no doubt it's a world with a long history and lots of people may have experienced it, but to us who have not, discussing it could lead to spoilers.

Good to hear the meeja is at least leading with the designers response. I didn't even notice the dong until it was mentioned above, and even looking at it now I still can't see why anyone could get offended by it, it's no different to the straight models in todays advertising, using sex to sell.

Fourier · 13-06-2019 1:22pm

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Ok, I'm all for people who know the setting to discuss it, and this is not in response to this particular post, I'm just using it to highlight it.

No worries Potential-Monke, thought didn't even cross my mind due to it being "old" for me but you're right of course.

Just to say I'd keep away from media about it in general because from looking at a few pages there some of the plot can already be inferred to some degree from the ttrpg combined with dev comments.

Zero-Cool · 13-06-2019 2:03pm

Smyths selling it for 60 quid or 55 if you pre-order it.

Comes with all the physical and digital goodies. I know where I'll be getting my copy anyway.

"The game comes with the following physical items: - Case with game discs - World Compendium detailing the game’s setting and lore - Postcards from Night City - Map of Night City - Stickers

Digital goodies included: - Game soundtrack - Art booklet featuring a selection of art from the game - Cyberpunk 2020 sourcebook - Wallpapers for desktop and mobile"

https://www.smythstoys.com/ie/en-ie/video-games-and-tablets/cyberpunk-2077/c/cyberpunk-20177?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Cyberpunk+2077+-+P3+-+Conversions&utm_content=Cyberpunk+2077+-+P3+-+Conversions+-+Remarketing+Software

13-06-2019 2:06pm

DeadlyByDesign wrote: »

Witcher spoiled me in relation to open world games. Everything else after that was a pale comparison, as the whole thing was built with so much love and detail. Red Dead came verrry close though.

Red Dead shouldn't be mentioned in the same light as The Wicher 3.
Eveb aside from the top drawer gameplay, the character building was my favourite in a game.
You spent 50-60 hours growing to know the characters so scenes like the one where they're drunk and taking off Vesemir (wearing his hat) are genuinely funny and engaging.

Potential-Monke · 13-06-2019 2:11pm

Fourier wrote: »

No worries Potential-Monke, thought didn't even cross my mind due to it being "old" for me but you're right of course.

Just to say I'd keep away from media about it in general because from looking at a few pages there some of the plot can already be inferred to some degree from the ttrpg combined with dev comments.

It's all good, I too can just mention things from lore I know without thinking others may not!

But as you said, I will be avoiding most, if not all, media in relation to this. We've seen what it looks like, we've seen gameplay, and it's CDPR so I know it will be good, and like any game/movie I'm looking forward to I stop researching it or reading about it because we live in a world of spoilers now.

Burgo · 13-06-2019 3:18pm

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Johnny Silverhand
Hinted that he's a digital ghost and only the player can see him, he pops up talking to the character frequently.

more than just pops up, the word side kick is being thrown around.

dreamers75 · 13-06-2019 5:58pm

Zero-Cool wrote: »

Eurogamer and polygon both need to **** off.

https://www.eurogamer.net/search.php?q=tone

Easiest way to see if a website about video games is full of pretentious shítehawks.

I do not give a single fcuk as to what motivates Doomguy or what tone the gqame is setting, i want gameplay!!!

BloodBath · 13-06-2019 7:33pm

Exactly. Sites like polygon are constantly trying to inject politics, especially gender politics, into everything.

Trash writers, trash site. Not even worth discussing.

johnny_ultimate · 13-06-2019 7:52pm

There’s a certain amusing irony in the dismissal of political discussion in a thread about a game that draws its very name from possibly the most overtly and radically political subgenre of science fiction :pac:

dreamers75 · 13-06-2019 7:55pm

johnny_ultimate wrote: »

There’s a certain amusing irony in the dismissal of political discussion in a thread about a game that draws its very name from possibly the most overtly and radically political subgenre of science fiction :pac:

Important words highlighted.

J. Marston · 13-06-2019 8:10pm

It actually does offend me, to be honest......The size of it, big as a Pringles can. It sets unrealistic expectations!

pixelburp · 13-06-2019 8:24pm

dreamers75 wrote: »

Important words highlighted.

If you think science fiction can't / doesn't tackle big weighty subjects on society, politics or humanity then frankly you're only fooling yourself. It's practically the reason the genre was invented by Shelley et al.

As usual though, we're back to this idea that games want it both ways, the media to be taken seriously by adults, but not actually engage in adult topics or perspectives.

Robert ninja · 13-06-2019 8:24pm

I really hope they don't dilute sexual themes for avoiding controversy or censorship.

The Specialist · 13-06-2019 8:26pm

pixelburp wrote: »

As usual though, we're back to this idea that games want it both ways, the media to be taken seriously by adults, but not actually engage in adult topics or perspectives.

Why can’t we just have games that tell a good story and are fun to play? I don’t give a **** about gender politics, or transsexuals or any political “statements” or how many minorities are in a game.

pixelburp · 13-06-2019 8:29pm

The Specialist wrote: »

Why can’t we just have games that tell a good story and are fun to play? I don’t give a **** about gender politics, or transsexuals or any political “statements” or how many minorities are in a game.

It's not mutually exclusive. No one is asking or forcing you. If you don't want to engage in the discussion beyond a certain layer, then ignore it. Let people take what they want from these things, it's literally what comes with a maturing media. Would a good story about gender politics be ok with sir?

The Specialist · 13-06-2019 8:31pm

pixelburp wrote: »

No one is asking you. If you don't want to engage in the discussion beyond a certain layer, then ignore it. Let people take what they want from these things, it's literally what comes with a maturing media. Would a good story about gender politics be ok with sir?

It’s called an opinion, deal with it. And no it wouldn’t be Ok with me because I could not care less about gender politics, let alone waste 10-15 hours being preached to by some ****ty game scoring woke points. Leave that **** to naive college students and leave games as they are supposed to be. There’s enough politically correct bull**** in the world without shoe horning it in to games.

pixelburp · 13-06-2019 8:35pm

The Specialist wrote: »

It’s called an opinion, deal with it. And no it wouldn’t be Ok with me because I could not care less about gender politics, let alone waste 10-15 hours being preached to by some ****ty game scoring woke points. Leave that **** to naive college students and leave games as they are supposed to be. There’s enough politically correct bull**** in the world without shoe horning it in to games.

You replied to me ya know and it's a discussion forum, I'm just saying that if - and it's a big if because this entire topic is exterior to the actual content of the game - the game engages in the topic it's obviously open world enough to skip if it offends you. Which it obviously does.

As you say, it's your opinion, and your opinion about what "games are supposed to be" is equally that. But telling a story about cybernetics and augmentation and not touching the concept of "hey, what makes a human?" is kind of a waste of time too.

If you want games to be just superficial endorphin rushes, cool. Others want something deeper. And guess what? IT CAN BE BOTH. Just because that topic doesn't personally interest you isn't a reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater

BloodBath · 13-06-2019 8:41pm

pixelburp wrote: »

It's not mutually exclusive. No one is asking or forcing you. If you don't want to engage in the discussion beyond a certain layer, then ignore it. Let people take what they want from these things, it's literally what comes with a maturing media. Would a good story about gender politics be ok with sir?

Maturing media in reference to the likes of Kotaku is a bit rich. Practically nobody want's to discuss this but as usual they focus on it. Granted CDPR did initiate it.

Cybernetic augmentation is already a good enough analogy without having to drive home the point.

The Specialist · 13-06-2019 8:41pm

pixelburp wrote: »

You replied to me ya know and it's a discussion forum, I'm just saying that if - and it's a big if because this entire topic is exterior to the actual content of the game - the game engages in the topic it's obviously open world enough to skip if it offends you. Which it obviously does.

As you say, it's your opinion, and your opinion about what "games are supposed to be" is equally that. But telling a story about cybernetics and augmentation and not touching the concept of "hey, what makes a human?" is kind of a waste of time too.

If you want games to be just superficial endorphin rushes, cool. Others want something deeper. And guess what? IT CAN BE BOTH. Just because that topic doesn't personally interest you isn't a reason to throw the baby out with the bathwater

I enjoy good stories and I enjoy complex narratives but I have absolutely no time for “woke” topics of the current climate being forced in to games for the sake of “look how inclusive we are”, and that’s regardless of the timeline a game is set in.

Potential-Monke · 13-06-2019 8:42pm

I agree, I've no problem with including this stuff in the games, as long as it doesn't take away from the enjoyment. I can't remember any game I've played that had a political agenda, simply because if the game is good enough I'll play it. I don't care for relating it to modern politics or trends, nor do I care if it doesn't. While I'm sure they will be touching on these subjects within it, if they make those missions entertaining I will play them.

Isn't Metal Gear Solid political, no? Genuinely no idea, but I think I recall someone saying something along those lines. I played those games for the story and gameplay, not their view on whatever was political in it. It's also why I didn't play much of 5, because it wasn't entertaining. MGS3 is a great game, but not because of the story, because of the gameplay. Similarly, MGS2 story I enjoyed, because it was mainly about a super solider taking down an organisation of super soldiers and super mechs. Can't recall the exact story, but it was interesting enough to keep me going, and can't recall any political stuff from it.

pixelburp · 13-06-2019 8:44pm

BloodBath wrote: »

Maturing media in reference to the likes of Kotaku is a bit rich. Practically nobody want's to discuss this but as usual they focus on it. Granted CDPR did initiate it.

Cybernetic augmentation is already a good enough analogy without having to drive home the point.

*Shrug* I think kotaku are like any other online outlet, they fill their pages with clickbait to fund the deeper dives into the industry. Given recent exposés thereof, I think it's worth it.

The posters there in the game, not like some niche Tumblr slash fiction so there's authorial intent, whether one likes it or not; but it's just a piece of set dressing latched onto by some harmless think pieces. The outrage in response to them is disproportionate and hilarious.

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