are you bothered about the jubilee?

Fenian Army

dsmythy wrote: »

How much did it cost?

I dont know the exact cost in England, but I imagine the boats etc cost a fair bit, plus in the north anyway, councils have set aside fairly substantial pots of cash

Andersonisgod

dsmythy wrote: »

What is your opinion of King George VI?

I wasn't alive during his reign so forming an opinion on him would just be based on literature, documentaries and the movie, "The King's Speech" though I did think Colin Firth was superb but that doesn't really have much to do with the actual man himself.

later12

Andersonisgod wrote: »

the class and dignity that should be expected of a monarch.

What does this mean?

I don't want to derail this thread with republicanism vs monarchy, I'm just curious as to why that "class and dignity" would be a trait in a monarch particularly, or why you would describe yourself as supporting the monarchs more generally.

What is it about monarchy that appeals to you as opposed to the woman herself?

A_Sober_Paddy

Couldn't give a rats arse...I mean she got the post because she was in line, not like she's been elected. She only has had the post so long because she hasn't died, not a real achievement in my book to be fair.

pragmatic1

Couldn't give a **** personally and the idea of a monarchy goes against my politics. However, I do hope people get some enjoyment out of it. My auld one loves all that shyte and she really enjoyed watching the celebrations.

Fratton Fred

Kurz wrote: »

People celebrate St Patrick's day? They do that all over the world, in every major city. It's a very important day and means a lot more than whatever that damp mess the Brits did today means.

What exactly does St Patrick's day mean?

NinjaK

Fratton Fred wrote: »

What exactly does St Patrick's day mean?

google it

Hannibal Smith

Ah, I think the ill feeling about the jubilee is unfair. Its their culture and they are entitled to celebrate it. Plenty of other countries mark significant days with fireworks and pageantry, why shouldn't they?

I'm not a royalist, nor am I interested in anything the British monarchy does. But she's been queen for 60 years and if that's your political institution you should celebrate it.

Show Time

I doubt she would care much for me or my family tree thanks to the fact my grandad had such a good score killing Black and Tans.

Judgement Day

Show Time wrote: »

I doubt she would care much for me or my family tree thanks to the fact my grandad had such a good score killing Black and Tans.

Link?

loveisdivine

It's strange that people winge and moan about it and say "most people I know dont care" yet 1.5 million people lined the streets of London alone to watch it. Which is more people than the amount that bothered to vote here in the referendum. So I think plenty of people do care thankfully.

Oh and the argument that nobody elected her is stupid and so full of bitterness by the people that speak it. It's such a pathetic reason to hate the Queen. Just cos you didn't pick her, you hate her! Most governments that we elect we hate too so what difference would it make! People would still whine.

Judgement Day

It seems to me that many Irish people are incapable are defining their identity except by their level of anti-Britishness. If Britain sank beneath the waves in the morning they would be in a right pickle.

Show Time

Judgement Day wrote: »

Link?

Hang on there so while i reanimate his dead body so he can post.:rolleyes:

Judgement Day

Show Time wrote: »

Hang on there so while i reanimate his dead body so he can post.:rolleyes:

Well, I thought you would be able to tell us more than that as he obviously defeated the Brits single handed. :rolleyes:

Fratton Fred

NinjaK wrote: »

google it

I have. http://www.thejournal.ie/readme/column-so-what-does-st-patrick%E2%80%99s-day-actually-mean/

I still don't see how it could possibly mean "much More" than the Queen's jubilee.

youreadthis

Show Time wrote: »

I doubt she would care much for me or my family tree thanks to the fact my grandad had such a good score killing Black and Tans.

Don't worry, she wouldn't care about you either way.

Show Time

Judgement Day wrote: »

Well, I thought you would be able to tell us more than that as he obviously defeated the Brits single handed. :rolleyes:

Not by himself.

He had another few fine Corkmen helping him.

Show Time

youreadthis wrote: »

Don't worry, she wouldn't care about you either way.

Great way to state the obvious.

I see a career in journalism for you lad.

bnt

Oh, spiffing. In the middle of the Jubilee pop concert, they're showing a montage of events from the Queen's life. The soundtrack? A bad instrumental cover of U2's Beautiful Day. :rolleyes:

emeraldstar

bnt wrote: »

Oh, spiffing. In the middle of the Jubilee pop concert, they're showing a montage of events from the Queen's life. The soundtrack? A bad instrumental cover of U2's Beautiful Day. :rolleyes:

And the problem?

fuerte1976

I couldn't give a flying fiddlers fu)k about it

Skid

bnt wrote: »

Oh, spiffing. In the middle of the Jubilee pop concert, they're showing a montage of events from the Queen's life. The soundtrack? A bad instrumental cover of U2's Beautiful Day. :rolleyes:

And why wouldn't they? Do you want Stevie Wonder dragged off stage for not having a British Passport too?

bwatson

Fenian Army wrote: »

I dont know the exact cost in England, but I imagine the boats etc cost a fair bit, plus in the north anyway, councils have set aside fairly substantial pots of cash

How can you be disgusted with something when you don't even know exactly what it is you are disgusted with?

bwatson

Kurz wrote: »

This was on at my mam's house today when I went for dinner. It looked very sad indeed, a load of people acting pompous out in the rain on a miserable day and trying to pass it off as some kind of historical event. There'd be uproar in this country if our taxes were being spent on staging something as sad and pointless as that.

Maybe you should try and look at things from the perspective of other people? Sad and pointless in your opinion maybe, but obviously not in the opinion of many hundreds of thousands who lined the Thames yesterday and have gone to the concert today. I didn't see anybody acting "pompous" at all, just people enjoying themselves and enjoying the atmosphere despite the meteorological phenomena of a British summer's day. You have a problem with people simply enjoying themselves because you don't agree with or like what it is they are celebrating? Get over yourself.

I could post the same thing about the 1916 remembrance events, it means nothing to me. I wouldn't though, because I fully realize that to many people it means a great deal, and therefore isnt a "sad" and "pointless" event, but one of great importance.

Once again, get over yourself. (For what it is worth - the whole river pageant didn't do much for me either, once you have seen one set of boats pass, you have seen them all, the next bazillion seemed thoroughly uninspiring). Just let people enjoy themselves without questioning why they are!

Nodin

bwatson wrote: »

How can you be disgusted with something when you don't even know exactly what it is you are disgusted with?

wimmin do it to me all the time.............................

Beefy78

Events like the Jubilee, or the Royal Wedding last year, are Britain's equivalent of Paddy's Day. Do you guys go out every March 17th and pay homage to the man St. Patrick? Or do you take advantage of the public holiday, get drunk (or not), enjoy yourself with friends & family and rally behind something which represents your Irishness? That seems to be what is happening in London tonight.

If St.George's Day (or a British equivalent) was celebrated annually then we probably wouldn't go so OTT on the odd event like this.

Richard Hillman

Whatever you think of it, there is no doubt that the Royals put on a great show.

deconduo

dsmythy wrote: »

People, Monarchism does not equal "them Brits".

They cost:

2007 - £32.8 million
2008 - £34.7 million
2009 - £36.5 million
2010 - £33.9 million
2011 - £32.1 million

Question is how much suprlus are they adding to the British economy?

King George III made a deal with the English Parliament whereby they would pay for the upkeep of the Royal family in exchange for the profits from the Crown Estate. As of last year that's about £230 million, meaning that the English governement makes a ~£200 million profit a year just by having them around.

gara

I think the Queen is a remarkably stoic lady and an advertisement for dignity and reserve in a world where vulgarity is so commonplace. She's in a strange position of having had so much yet I imagine there's a lot she's missed out on in life as a result of her status too.

I think beneath the cool exterior that's demanded of her lies a person with a warm heart and and a genuine appreciation for all her privilege. I'm not surprised her country are celebrating her, we all look to people for leadership and stability and I think it would be wonderful for Ireland if we had a similarly strong institution to admire and appreciate

Beefy78

deconduo wrote: »

King George III made a deal with the English Parliament whereby they would pay for the upkeep of the Royal family in exchange for the profits from the Crown Estate. As of last year that's about £230 million, meaning that the English governement makes a ~£200 million profit a year just by having them around.

Plus the costs of having a Presidency would dwarf what the Royal Family cost.

Agricola

I was looking at some of the coverage from London, feeling smug about how ridiculous it is to get so excited about an antiquated institution and then I realized what a hoopla there is over here about an ancient Welsh sheep shagger every March. That wiped the grin off my face.

Fussy Eater

I did try and organize a street party but none of the neighbours seemed up for it. Miserable feckers. What the hell else is there to do in Meath on a bank holiday?

Jorah

Like most of you I'm generally against the existence of the monarchy.

But this Jubilee has been amazing. The streets are packed with celebrations and flags. The concert tonight was great, just looking at Paul McCartney, Elton John, Tom Jones, Cheryl Cole and all these British singers of different generations and levels of success united to celebrate is really nice to see.

It's all in complete contrast to the miserable republicans with their placards and very bitter attitudes outside city hall.

Britain does not have enough confidence in itself as a "nation" to become a republic.

Fenian Army

So lads, how do you reckon it will go down when Martin McGuinness (as looks likely) meets her and shakes hands etc in a few weeks?

Fussy Eater

Jorah wrote: »

Britain does not have enough confidence in itself as a "nation" to become a republic.

lol. It doesn't want to be a republic. A suspension of logic is required but the monarchy works for Britain. Well that is until some nutty inbred gets their arse on the throne....

K-9

Fenian Army wrote: »

So lads, how do you reckon it will go down when Martin McGuinness (as looks likely) meets her and shakes hands etc in a few weeks?

A Hi Five, what you reckon?

Seriously, that would far more significant than the state visit, contrived and over exaggerated as it was.

Jorah

Fussy Eater wrote: »

lol. It doesn't want to be a republic. A suspension of logic is required but the monarchy works for Britain. Well that is until some nutty inbred gets their arse on the throne....

Well I can agree with that but I'm talking about the neutrals.

The people that know the monarchy is wrong but would still feel uneasy about voting for a republic.

CB19Kevo

Amazing..
What is clear is that it was some show, really well done and that it seemed to unite the country... All positive for the Brits.
I dont hold anything against English people, History is there to not be forgotten but times have changed..

Fussy Eater

Jorah wrote: »

Well I can agree with that but I'm talking about the neutrals.

The people that know the monarchy is wrong but would still feel uneasy about voting for a republic.

Because when you look at the alternative being smug, polished Oxbridge career politician toffs held up for election, hereditary succession looks quite appealing. Besides, there's far more important issues to concern oneself with...

Fenian Army

K-9 wrote: »

A Hi Five, what you reckon?

Seriously, that would far more significant than the state visit, contrived and over exaggerated as it was.

I was hoping for a Bishop Brennan style kick in the arse or a Mr Bean style headbut...


As I understand he wants to do it and has some support from senior figures, grassroots in the north would go beserk though so I think it would be a bad idea from that POV, would be a final nail in the coffin for some I think.

Richard Hillman

Fenian Army wrote: »

So lads, how do you reckon it will go down when Martin McGuinness (as looks likely) meets her and shakes hands etc in a few weeks?

He'll bottle it and bow down on one knee and call her "Dear Majesty". Then Gerry "Crown Steward and Bailiff of the Manor of Northstead" Adams will take off his top hat, bow down on one knee and announce that he wishes to take on the role as "The Queens Hand".

the_syco

When's it on?

Fenian Army

Richard Hillman wrote: »

He'll bottle it and bow down on one knee and call her "Dear Majesty". Then Gerry "Crown Steward and Bailiff of the Manor of Northstead" Adams will take off his top hat, bow down on one knee and announce that he wishes to take on the role as "The Queens Hand".

Or maybe he still has his gun? Shot with a german gun, rather apt!

phasers

ah let them do what they like, I watched the royal wedding but would have no interest in this. it's not pretty enough.

Was there a show or something? I didn't see it plastered all over every channel which was nice

Sound of Silence

Fenian Army wrote: »

I was hoping for a Bishop Brennan style kick in the arse or a Mr Bean style headbut...


As I understand he wants to do it and has some support from senior figures, grassroots in the north would go beserk though so I think it would be a bad idea from that POV, would be a final nail in the coffin for some I think.

Despite being a Republican, I can't help but cringe when I hear that some members of the Community are unwilling to even entertain the thought of these vaguely symbolic "Hands across the divide" Press events.

When I think of these people, I can't help but imagine their Unionist equivalents. The kind of people who wouldn't step foot in a GAA Club or advocate the teaching of Irish in schools. You know the type - The Northern dinosaurs...

Despite the fact that I have literally no interest in Royal Family, I would make sure to treat the Jubilee with the kind of base-level respect that I'd hope our Unionist brethren would treat our traditions and institutions.

K-9

Fenian Army wrote: »

I was hoping for a Bishop Brennan style kick in the arse or a Mr Bean style headbut...

I do love Ted and Bean, Martin getting is Mickey stuck would be funny!

As I understand he wants to do it and has some support from senior figures, grassroots in the north would go beserk though so I think it would be a bad idea from that POV, would be a final nail in the coffin for some I think.

There'll always be a "grassroots" opposed to things like this. Eventually they see political reality and move on and some other "grassroots" oppose. Such is the way of history, Irish history in particular.

Tipsy McSwagger

gara wrote: »

I think the Queen is a remarkably stoic lady and an advertisement for dignity and reserve in a world where vulgarity is so commonplace. She's in a strange position of having had so much yet I imagine there's a lot she's missed out on in life as a result of her status too.

I think beneath the cool exterior that's demanded of her lies a person with a warm heart and and a genuine appreciation for all her privilege. I'm not surprised her country are celebrating her, we all look to people for leadership and stability and I think it would be wonderful for Ireland if we had a similarly strong institution to admire and appreciate

I agree with most of what you are saying except the last sentence. I would hate to have a monarchy as I still believe that all men are created equal.

CajunPenguin

It is the biggest waste of time and money in the history of the world

youreadthis

Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »

I agree with most of what you are saying except the last sentence. I would hate to have a monarchy as I still believe that all men are created equal.

But if you live in a capitalist country then that isn't the case.

Fratton Fred

I was in the Mall this evening with my family.

Best.Party.Ever.

Well done her Maj on 60 years service to the country and the commonwealth and well done London, the greatest city in the world.