"You'd sacrifice this beautiful woman for a moderately attractive ape?"

Gummy Panda

xxxJennyxxx wrote: »

Is this bloody debate/argument still going on??

More sexy apes less fighting.

I present the one they call Leela

Cool Story Bro

She could peel my bananna any day of the week....
JK JK.

midlandsmissus

Dudess wrote: »

It's fashionable to pretend Ireland is a terrible, oppressive society - on the internet without censorship. Irony fail.

Dudess....:(I really don't get where you are going with this.

I'm not saying Ireland is **** for the sake of it.

I'm saying it to galvanise people to make change.

I look at a friend who suffers from depression and see how terrible the mental health services are in this country, (note all the people on the depression forums here on these boards who are not being helped either).

I look at all the stories of rape on the Ladies Lounge and see how terrible the sexual assault services are.

I have read alot of stories, reports and facts of the horrific human trafficing and prostitution going on here.

I see what needs to be changed. And I try to make changes.

This could be a much better country and I love Ireland, but it can't go on the way it is.

Dudess

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Dudess wrote: »

What's under everyone's noses? What are you doing about it? And actually our culture IS better than many - saying it's as bad is terribly disingenuous... and ludicrous.

There are bad things going on in every country is my point and more people need to analyse what is going on in their own country and help change it.

I'm not perfect but I am doing a lot, volunteering, giving my time, campaigning for change in different areas.

It doesn't take a lot of effort to stand up and try to change different things. If everyone did it the world would be a much better place, not stand back and wait for some-one else to do it.

Bad things are going on in every country of course but Ireland is a better place to live, by miles, than many. Paradise to those who have to live in such countries.

Re your last post: I acknowledge of course those awful things you talk about, but they don't change the fact that Ireland is a free society with a decent quality of life on offer - in general. I'm so grateful I was born here instead of the Congo. And the trafficking is illegal here to be fair. Mental health and abuse survival treatment are mixed here - they are not all terrible in fairness. Some people are very happy with the treatment and support they get. Some of those working in these areas are amazing.

Lol, I won't be told I'm not in a position to criticise certain societies by a few people who feel the need to self flagellate because they're Irish.

kowloon

Wibbs is wishing he'd used 'Stalinist' now, nothing riles up the crowd liker Hitler, everyone loves Uncle Joe.

midlandsmissus

Wibbs wrote: »

Point

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country mile

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Sea Filly.

It's a common thread with those who apply the cultural relativism a bit too religiously.

Wibbs you are not really coming across great on this thread.

Sea Filly

Wibbs wrote: »

Point

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country mile

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Sea Filly.

If you like.

Sea Filly

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Wibbs you are not really coming across great on this thread.

It's pretty sickening how much he was thanked. But illuminating as well, I guess.

Dudess

Sea Filly wrote: »

It's pretty sickening how much he was thanked. But illuminating as well, I guess.

He really doesn't mean he literally thinks along the same lines as nazis, and he's explained well what he meant. Bit unfair to just believe the worst.

bhovaspack

Just reading through this thread, it strikes me that people are using the word "culture" to mean a few different things, whether it be the entire set of customs associated with a particular society eg British culture, a particular ethnic group eg Jewish culture, or else a set of practices associated with a subgroup within either of these eg Dungeons and Dragons fanboy culture. Cue much crossing of wires.

cloptrop

Honestly though this woman spent a year in indonesia and 30 odd police with kalashnikovs for a fecking chimp . What about the people who are in forced prostitution should she not be helping them first.

Gummy Panda

kowloon wrote: »

Wibbs is wishing he'd used 'Stalinist' now, nothing riles up the crowd liker Hitler, everyone loves Uncle Joe.

He was a superhero who beat Hitler

Scanlas The 2nd

Where does the law stand on trafficking animals for prostitution? Choose any country.

midlandsmissus

cloptrop wrote: »

Honestly though this woman spent a year in indonesia and 30 odd police with kalashnikovs for a fecking chimp . What about the people who are in forced prostitution should she not be helping them first.

Who are you helping? Not meant in an accusative way, just maybe to get some thoughts going on this thread.

The woman helped some-one and good on her.

Sea Filly

Dudess wrote: »

He really doesn't mean he literally thinks along the same lines as nazis, and he's explained well what he meant. Bit unfair to just believe the worst.

No, he hasn't. And he called himself a Nazi. Not along the same lines as Nazi, but actually a Nazi, claiming it has a more general meaning. (It doesn't.)

cloptrop

midlandsmissus wrote: »

Who are you helping? Not meant in an accusative way, just maybe to get some thoughts going on this thread.

The woman helped some-one and good on her.

I help my family , to eat and have a roof over their head.

kowloon

cloptrop wrote: »

Honestly though this woman spent a year in indonesia and 30 odd police with kalashnikovs for a fecking chimp . What about the people who are in forced prostitution should she not be helping them first.

Why deal with prostitution when there are murders? There are plenty of causes to champion, this woman has hers.

I'm not criticising, we all have issues we feel strongly about, if we all ran with them the world would be a little better. Except for some people. Their ideas are terrible.

Wibbs

Dudess wrote: »

He really doesn't mean he literally thinks along the same lines as nazis, and he's explained well what he meant. Bit easier to just believe the worst if it supports ones own mindset, ever looking to get offended.

Added to your post. Didn't FYP, I wouldn't dare.

Sea Filly wrote:

No, he hasn't. And he called himself a Nazi. Not along the same lines as Nazi, but actually a Nazi, claiming it has a more general meaning. (It doesn't.)

Still rattling that can? Yea it kinda does have a general meaning. For the folks on mobys;

Na·zi
   [naht-see, nat-] Show IPA noun, plural Na·zis, adjective
noun
1.a member of the National Socialist German Workers' party of Germany, which in 1933, under Adolf Hitler, seized political control of the country, suppressing all opposition and establishing a dictatorship over all cultural, economic, and political activities of the people, and promulgated belief in the supremacy of Hitler as Führer, aggressive anti-Semitism, the natural supremacy of the German people, and the establishment of Germany by superior force as a dominant world power. The party was officially abolished in 1945 at the conclusion of World War II.

2.( often lowercase ) a person elsewhere who holds similar views.

3. Sometimes Offensive . ( often lowercase ) a person who is fanatically dedicated to or seeks to control a specified activity, practice, etc.: a jazz nazi who disdains other forms of music; tobacco nazis trying to ban smoking.

Now given I couldn't possibly be a national socialist German workers party member, that kills numero uno dead in the water. Question? If you've been around here and on the internet in general, you will have noted the term "grammar nazi". Does this mean such people are sporting natty black uniforms with jackboots, jodhpurs and runes looking for synagogues to burn down? Eh nope. BTW "fascist" is also a general term these days too. Now maybe we've all fallen into some timeslip and are posting this in the 1930's but otherwise, we're kinda on a hiding to nowhere with this particular can rattling.

candy-gal1

Wasnt entirely sure what to expect from the link there but that is extremely cruel and sick imho, the poor animal has no idea and no choice at all in that situation, at least a human has even a slight choice mostly anyway and knows whats going on!

Sea Filly

Wibbs wrote: »

Added to your post. Didn't FYP, I wouldn't dare.

Still rattling that can? Yea it kinda does have a general meaning. For the folks on mobys;



Now given I couldn't possibly be a national socialist German workers party member, that kills numero uno dead in the water. Question? If you've been around here and on the internet in general, you will have noted the term "grammar nazi". Does this mean such people are sporting natty black uniforms with jackboots, jodhpurs and runes looking for synagogues to burn down? Eh nope. BTW "fascist" is also a general term these days too. Now maybe we've all fallen into some timeslip and are posting this in the 1930's but otherwise, we're kinda on a hiding to nowhere with this particular can rattling.

Sigh, fine Wibbs, YOU. ARE. AWESOME.

Wibbs

candy-gal1 wrote: »

at least a human has even a slight choice mostly anyway and knows whats going on!

The former is debatable CG and the latter makes it worse in so many ways. I'd prefer to be ignorant, better yet comatose in such circumstances TBH

Wibbs

Sea Filly wrote: »

Sigh, fine Wibbs, YOU. ARE. AWESOME.

Finally.

Dudess

Fyp away Wibbs. I've no problem with anyone fypping on me. :pac:

Capt'n Midnight

midlandsmissus wrote: »

I can definitely agree that Japanese culture is better than Saudi Arabian cultures,

The Saudai's aren't saints.

Yes they probably still have a few slaves, but they didn't systematically work them to death.
And while Saudai treatment of foreign nationals especially from poorer countries is shameful, they don't have anything like unit 731 or practice cannibalism to supplement food rations.
And the Saudai's didn't wipe out up to 20 million civilians.

af_thefragile

You know a discussion has become irrelevant when the discussion focuses on Nazis...

Capt'n Midnight

Gummy Panda wrote: »

He was a superhero who beat Hitler

Actually it was more like

He was a superhero who beat Hitler

i have no idea what's going on or what you people are talking about

anyway the op is awful

Capt'n Midnight

af_thefragile wrote: »

You know a discussion has become irrelevant when the discussion focuses on Nazis...

Would you classify the old man of the forest as Untermensch ?

Pawwed Rig

Wibbs wrote: »

This...
...is the post that got the thumbs up and got you looking around for tall equines. The only changes I'd make would be in brackets. Emboldened bits just encase you missed the point. Now where on God's green earth did I suggest eradication of entire cultures, especially by violent means? I'll give you a hint, I didn't.

Ok culling is non violent then is it?

Wibbs wrote: »

And further what have "non Irish" got to do with it? Where did I mention non Irish people? Of the very few examples of cultures I gave, other than the threads subject of simian shagging whore villages, was Ireland in the past.

The mention of being a Nazi and a fascist from (presumably) an Irish person on a Irish web page (a moderator of) immediately presumes a belief in ones own race and culture being superior to others.

Just so more recent readers can be aware of what you actually said, (rather than your edited version) here it is

Wibbs wrote: »

Some people are just primitives. Barbarians. Goes for a few aspects of a few cultures too. Massively endangered great ape versus breeding like rats stupid humans? I'd cull the humans myself. Better for the planet and the humans that are more civilised. Then again I am a Nazi who feels some cultures and individuals are better than others and a minority of people are complete and utter wastes of oxygen.


Yep I'm a Nazi. I'm certainly not some wishy washy cultural relativist. Some cultures are simply better than others on balance and if that balance goes too far then they're hardly worth saving except in the pages of history books. I won't be crying in my cornflakes over the passing of something like the Inquisition and its assorted members of superstitious dribblers any time soon. If a culture of prostitute villages with a side order of pongosexuality died out I'd be raising a glass to progress.

Wibbs wrote: »

revving up to high do looking to take offence, a slight touch of Maudflandersitis. You're seeking to build up an issue that doesn't actually exist.

Why would I not take offence to offensive statements? Even those advocating what you wrote have tried to claim they are tongue in cheek, in that they are offensive but maybe should not be taken as such

Wibbs wrote: »

Which I did if you actually read my posts, rather than reading what you want to read. I'd take issue with the notion/excuse/explanation that we were some bunch of primitives in the early 1970's who didn't know any better. It's both insulting to people of the time and incredibly simplistic. With the exception of deprived areas which every culture has we were doing pretty alright 40 years ago. Employment was high, we had a mini boom economically, we had a good education system(arguably better in some aspects than today where 1 in 4 16 year old males is functionally illiterate), we even had books, radio, TV and films OMG! :eek:You're the one who seems hell bent on seeing eradication as only genocide and bombs.

I have read all of your posts unfortunately. Maybe certain areas were doing ok but not in my experience generally we had a slight rise in living standards in the 70's and then back to form in the 80's. Not sure why this is relevant though.

btw some of the 'superior cultures' that you referred to previosly. Las Vegas could be viewed as a prostitute city if you were so inclined as could Amsterdam, Hamburg, Prague etc etc. Most countries have their red light areas where they may not have Orangutans but they would have similar if you so desired

I am not seeking to build up an issue that doesn't exist. I am seeking to debate an issue that definitely does exist and I am challenging outrageous statements on a public forum.

Again I notice you are ignoring half my points and adressing the ones that might be convenient. Also you have started to repeat questions that I have addressed already in earlier posts.

af_thefragile

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

The Saudai's aren't saints.

Yes they probably still have a few slaves, but they didn't systematically work them to death.
And while Saudai treatment of foreign nationals especially from poorer countries is shameful, they don't have anything like unit 731 or practice cannibalism to supplement food rations.
And the Saudai's didn't wipe out up to 20 million civilians.

Overall people in the west seem to prefer Japanese culture over any Arab or Chinese culture.

One must note a lot of Arab countries have poor human rights record not because the people are crazy backward freaks but because the rulers are corrupt dictators who are only in power because of the support they have from USA and other western countries. If it wasn't for US support of the Saudi royal family, it would had been overthrown like what's currently happening in Egypt, Syria, Bahrain etc. too.

The common Saudi person is a lot different from the rich royal oil barons who run the country.

Pawwed Rig

Dudess wrote: »

He really doesn't mean he literally thinks along the same lines as nazis, and he's explained well what he meant. Bit unfair to just believe the worst.

Where has he explained that? You keep making these statements???

Cool Story Bro

Gorrilas to Nazis...... Cant explain that

Pawwed Rig

Wibbs wrote: »

Still rattling that can? Yea it kinda does have a general meaning. For the folks on mobys;

fas·cist

   [fash-ist] Show IPA
noun 1. a person who believes in or sympathizes with fascism.

2. ( often initial capital letter ) a member of a fascist movement or party.

3. a person who is dictatorial or has extreme right-wing views.

af_thefragile

Cool Story Bro wrote: »

Gorrilas to Nazis...... Cant explain that

Something to do with Evolution probably...

Dudess

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

The Saudai's aren't saints.

Yes they probably still have a few slaves, but they didn't systematically work them to death.
And while Saudai treatment of foreign nationals especially from poorer countries is shameful, they don't have anything like unit 731 or practice cannibalism to supplement food rations.
And the Saudai's didn't wipe out up to 20 million civilians.

Yeah unspeakable horrors were carried out by the Japanese state but it's my opinion that when discussing a society/culture it should only be today's that's taken into account.
Anything else is a historical discussion IMO.

kowloon

Dudess wrote: »

Yeah unspeakable horrors were carried out by the Japanese state but it's my opinion that when discussing a society/culture it should only be today's that's taken into account.
Anything else is a historical discussion IMO.

Would be a great thing indeed if people could learn from history more often than they elect to live in it or cherry pick their favorite bits. A lecturer of mine once told me he had received a complaint that his module on the British Army wasn't 'patriotic enough'.

Wibbs

Dudess wrote: »

Fyp away Wibbs. I've no problem with anyone fypping on me. :pac:

Missus! :eek::D

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Ok culling is non violent then is it?

Did I say this in the context of whole societies? Nope. Try again.

The mention of being a Nazi and a fascist from (presumably) an Irish person on a Irish web page (a moderator of) immediately presumes a belief in ones own race and culture being superior to others.

Yet I referenced my own culture as being inferior in the past more than once? That's Irish by the by, just in case of further confusion. Try again. Maybe get more inventive in the looking for offence part? On the "moderator of" bit, maybe it escaped your notice, but I'm not a moderator of this forum. The "how dare you" stuff doesn't really fly. To paraphrase the artist formally known as Madonna "hey mister DJ, put another record on".

Why would I not take offence to offensive statements? Even those advocating what you wrote have tried to claim they are tongue in cheek, in that they are offensive but maybe should not be taken as such

You're really not very good at this.

I have read all of your posts unfortunately.

Good luck with that.

Maybe certain areas were doing ok but not in my experience generally we had a slight rise in living standards in the 70's and then back to form in the 80's. Not sure why this is relevant though.

I'm hardly surprised at that admission of your confusion over relevance.

btw some of the 'superior cultures' that you referred to previosly. Las Vegas could be viewed as a prostitute city if you were so inclined as could Amsterdam, Hamburg, Prague etc etc. Most countries have their red light areas where they may not have Orangutans but they would have similar if you so desired

I bow to your expertise on such matters, but last time I looked they didn't have to send armed police in to sort it out.

I am not seeking to build up an issue that doesn't exist. I am seeking to debate an issue that definitely does exist and I am challenging outrageous statements on a public forum.

Won't someone think of the children.

Again I notice you are ignoring half my points and adressing the ones that might be convenient. Also you have started to repeat questions that I have addressed already in earlier posts.

Pot meet kettle.

Pawwed Rig

Wibbs wrote: »

On the "moderator of" bit, maybe it escaped your notice, but I'm not a moderator of this forum. The "how dare you" stuff doesn't really fly. To paraphrase the artist formally known as Madonna "hey mister DJ, put another record on".

Ok there was nothing in your last post that either answered anything I questioned or clarified any of your earlier post and I see you are stooping to trying to be clever again and using smutty innuendo so I am not even going to justify your comments with a response.

Re the moderator bit I realise you're not a moderator in this forum but like it or not your name appears in bold whenever you post and carries more weight whether justified or not. I guarantee you would not spew this crap in the ladies lounge (which I read more frequently than after hours) whereas I would have no problem putting anything I wrote here into any other forum on boards. Just because after hours does not moderate as heavily as other forums does not mean you can spew all sorts of hatred here. I am sure generally the people who 'liked' your posts will have a good old laugh at those barbaric foreigners and shake their heads while congratulating themselves on their superiority so best of luck to you in that. In the mean time I will continue to encourage tolerance and respect for all people.

Capt'n Midnight

Dudess wrote: »

Yeah unspeakable horrors were carried out by the Japanese state but it's my opinion that when discussing a society/culture it should only be today's that's taken into account.
Anything else is a historical discussion IMO.

those who fail to understand history etc.

the worst part is unlike Germany there was no Japanese recognition of the wrongs, Germany has anti-nazi laws, and holocaust denial laws

Japan still has nothing like this , there has been no national acknowledgement of wrong doing, instead it's perhaps even a mentality of being the victims of atomic bombing.


At the end of WWII Stalin suggested slaughtering 50,000 German officers

Perhaps if this had happened, if people feared retribution from international tribunals, instead of life imprisonment in cushy jails, maybe , if you get caught, then the horrors of Cambodia, The Congo , South America, Rwanda and Yugoslavia might not have been quite as bad.

Wibbs

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Ok there was nothing in your last post that either answered anything I questioned or clarified any of your earlier post and I see you are stooping to trying to be clever again and using smutty innuendo so I am not even going to justify your comments with a response.

Oops I must be replying to an imaginary post...

Re the moderator bit I realise you're not a moderator in this forum but like it or not your name appears in bold whenever you post and carries more weight whether justified or not. I guarantee you would not spew this crap in the ladies lounge (which I read more frequently than after hours) whereas I would have no problem putting anything I wrote here into any other forum on boards.

I'd post the exact same sentiment if it happened to come up. It's just monkey sex hasn't really popped up as a topic recently.

Just because after hours does not moderate as heavily as other forums does not mean you can spew all sorts of hatred here.

Man you really do read what you want to read and no matter what is said after your mind is set on it's course. OK rather than imagining things show me where I 'spewed hatred". Your quotes of mine don't really seem to help your case, except as I say in your own imagination.

I am sure generally the people who 'liked' your posts will have a good old laugh at those barbaric foreigners and shake their heads while congratulating themselves on their superiority so best of luck to you in that.

Again your up to high do misrepresentation. Doubly so given my only other reference to dodgy cultures was our own. Oh and the Inquisition. Better get the Spanish embassy on the blower so they can get insulted too.

I also find it funny that you didn't reserve your outrage and incredulity for a poster that actually described these people as "missing links" and "stupid slopeheads", an actual racial slur. I reported that post. Did you? That answer would be a no*. Basically you got the wrong end of the stick between your teeth and you'll be damned if you're going to let go.

In the mean time I will continue to encourage tolerance and respect for all people.

Yet you thank a post by the good Capt'n Midnight where he suggests that Stalins idea of slaughtering 50,000 German officers may have put the fear of retribution into people and this may be a good thing? Hmmm.

On that point CM the Russians kept thousands of german soldiers in various gulags for many years and shítloads of them died, so uncle Joe got his wish through other means. I'm not so sure retribution has much of an effect. Nutters like Stalin, Pol Pot never think they'll fail in their nuttery so never think they'll face retribution anyway. I'm not so sure anti nazi/holocaust denial laws work too well either, merely drives it underground and may even encourage this guff in some quarters. It makes it somehow attractive and exciting to the impressionable. I say shine a light on these things and that makes them look as daft as they are.




*funny enough so far I'm the only one that has reported it. Ironic given I'm apparently the peddler of hate speech around here.

Pawwed Rig

Wibbs wrote: »

I'd post the exact same sentiment if it happened to come up. It's just monkey sex hasn't really popped up as a topic recently.

Would you post your Nazi/Fascist post in the ladies lounge? Of course not

Wibbs wrote: »

Man you really do read what you want to read and no matter what is said after your mind is set on it's course. OK rather than imagining things show me where I 'spewed hatred".

Low level racism is a huge issue in this country and your kind of casual claims of being a Nazi/Fascist normalises this. As it is coming from a moderator it sets an example as to the behaviour that is tolerated here.I have already said that I don't even believe you are a Fascist/Nazi and that you were just trying to be clever and playing to the gallery here but you must realise that most readers will take what you post literally. We are not chatting between people here, we are on a public domain.

Wibbs wrote: »

I also find it funny that you didn't reserve your outrage and incredulity for a poster that actually described these people as "missing links" and "stupid slopeheads", an actual racial slur. I reported that post. Did you? That answer would be a no*.

No I didn't because I pretty much ignored the usual after hours posts. Also I didn't recognise the term slopehead. Never heard it before. I also had to look up Godwin btw. Having said that I reported racist posts in After hours before and never received a response and the posts were never removed. That is the main reason I stopped posting and reading After Hours. However as you realise it is a popular forum and it can be hard to ignore as the latest posts tab usually contains alot from AH.

Wibbs wrote: »

Yet you thank a post by the good Capt'n Midnight where he suggests that Stalins idea of slaughtering 50,000 German officers may have put the fear of retribution into people and this may be a good thing? Hmmm.

I read that as being in response to midlandmissus claiming that Japanese culture is superior to Saudi culture. I missed the bit about the slaughtering of Germans (I was on beer number 4 at that point)

Wibbs wrote: »

On that point CM the Russians kept thousands of german soldiers in various gulags for many years and shítloads of them died, so uncle Joe got his wish through other means. I'm not so sure retribution has much of an effect. Nutters like Stalin, Pol Pot never think they'll fail in their nuttery so never think they'll face retribution anyway. I'm not so sure anti nazi/holocaust denial laws work too well either, merely drives it underground and may even encourage this guff in some quarters. It makes it somehow attractive and exciting to the impressionable. I say shine a light on these things and that makes them look as daft as they are.

I wouldn't argue with any of that

Dudess

I didn't say Japanese culture was superior to Saudi culture at all!

Capt'n Midnight

Dudess wrote: »

I didn't say Japanese culture was superior to Saudi culture at all!

If you've read Dune then the Fremen are sort of a composition of both,

Pawwed Rig

Dudess wrote: »

I didn't say Japanese culture was superior to Saudi culture at all!

Apologies it was midlandmissus (edited)

Capt'n Midnight

Wibbs wrote: »

On that point CM the Russians kept thousands of german soldiers in various gulags for many years and shítloads of them died, so uncle Joe got his wish through other means. I'm not so sure retribution has much of an effect. Nutters like Stalin, Pol Pot never think they'll fail in their nuttery so never think they'll face retribution anyway.

Only one General died in captivity after Stalingrad. Something like 95% of the enlisted men died after the surrender.

Retribution probably doesn't have much of an effect.

But even if it only had a slight effect on those at the top of the heap then maybe...

Shryke

Topic related. A blind and abused orangutan shot over 60 times for fun by locals. Poor guy is still alive. Mobile link following. Story can be found on the Guardian website.

http://m.guardian.co.uk/ms/p/gnm/op/sEbVbC7ss61bEby2lyWodRA/view.m?id=15&gid=environment/gallery/2012/may/25/leuser-sumatran-orangutan-indonesia&cat=most-read&image=1#gnm-gallery

steddyeddy

Its a lot worse than that at the moment. Orangs are killed on sight as their considered pests on the palm oil reserves. One orangtang featured in this report had fuel set on him and was set alight. So yea wheter people call me a nazi or whatever I don see problem one with wiping out the people who are doing this to one of our closest cousins.

Jimmyhologram

steddyeddy wrote: »

Its a lot worse than that at the moment. Orangs are killed on sight as their considered pests on the palm oil reserves. One orangtang featured in this report had fuel set on him and was set alight. So yea wheter people call me a nazi or whatever I don see problem one with wiping out the people who are doing this to one of our closest cousins.

Just to be provocative ; what about factory farming societies such as our own that commit the equivalent of an annual holocaust on pigs, creatures which some believe to have the same intelligence as a three year old human child?

steddyeddy

Jimmyhologram wrote: »

Just to be provocative ; what about factory farming societies such as our own that commit the equivalent of an annual holocaust on pigs, creatures which some believe to have the same intelligence as a three year old human child?

Ill put it this way, Im an animal lover not a peta lover. I understand the current necessities of using animals for food. Were dealing with an endagered species here though and one which is very close to use biologically speaking. The people who are setting our relatives on fire (which isnt a terribly humane way to go) are not in anyway examples of the basic humanities that make us human. So in my eyes to see force used against these "people" would be ok by me. Many poachers were killed attacking mountain gorillas and this in effect saved the species.

jam_mac_jam

Jimmyhologram wrote: »

Just to be provocative ; what about factory farming societies such as our own that commit the equivalent of an annual holocaust on pigs, creatures which some believe to have the same intelligence as a three year old human child?

Oh that's completely different. We are civilised, they are not "people". I wonder does he think where all the palm oil is grown for, or that might be a little less simplistic.