Bilderberg GroIRlup meeting 2012

UglyBolloxFace

Yes I know there have been threads on this before.

But I ask you all to do this please - step away from the Doritos and the TV for just one second and think. Why is this secretive meeting taking place every year, and why is there an almost complete media blackout surrounding it?

I see that among several Irish attendants this year, Michael Noonan, our current Finance Minister, is attending. Now, I would have no problem if he was attending in a personal capacity, as that wouldn't concern me at all. But that fact that he is attending as the "Finance Minister of Ireland" really pisses me off - surely if he's attending in this capacity then we, the electorate, have a right to know what he will be discussing?

Before the usual lot come in with "conspiracy nut" etc, just ****ing think for yourselves for just one second.

List of Participants 2012: http://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/participants2012.html

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Final List of Participants
Chairman
FRA Castries, Henri de Chairman and CEO, AXA Group



DEU Ackermann, Josef Chairman of the Management Board and the Group Executive Committee, Deutsche Bank AG
GBR Agius, Marcus Chairman, Barclays plc
USA Ajami, Fouad Senior Fellow, The Hoover Institution, Stanford University
USA Alexander, Keith B. Commander, US Cyber Command; Director, National Security Agency
INT Almunia, Joaquín Vice-President - Commissioner for Competition, European Commission
USA Altman, Roger C. Chairman, Evercore Partners
PRT Amado, Luís Chairman, Banco Internacional do Funchal (BANIF)
NOR Andresen, Johan H. Owner and CEO, FERD
FIN Apunen, Matti Director, Finnish Business and Policy Forum EVA
TUR Babacan, Ali Deputy Prime Minister for Economic and Financial Affairs
PRT Balsemão, Francisco Pinto President and CEO, Impresa; Former Prime Minister
FRA Baverez, Nicolas Partner, Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher LLP
FRA Béchu, Christophe Senator, and Chairman, General Council of Maine-et-Loire
BEL Belgium, H.R.H. Prince Philippe of
TUR Berberoğlu, Enis Editor-in-Chief, Hürriyet Newspaper
ITA Bernabè, Franco Chairman and CEO, Telecom Italia
GBR Boles, Nick Member of Parliament
SWE Bonnier, Jonas President and CEO, Bonnier AB
NOR Brandtzæg, Svein Richard President and CEO, Norsk Hydro ASA
AUT Bronner, Oscar Publisher, Der Standard Medienwelt
SWE Carlsson, Gunilla Minister for International Development Cooperation
CAN Carney, Mark J. Governor, Bank of Canada
ESP Cebrián, Juan Luis CEO, PRISA; Chairman, El País
AUT Cernko, Willibald CEO, UniCredit Bank Austria AG
FRA Chalendar, Pierre André de Chairman and CEO, Saint-Gobain
DNK Christiansen, Jeppe CEO, Maj Invest
RUS Chubais, Anatoly B. CEO, OJSC RUSNANO
CAN Clark, W. Edmund Group President and CEO, TD Bank Group
GBR Clarke, Kenneth Member of Parliament, Lord Chancellor and Secretary of Justice
USA Collins, Timothy C. CEO and Senior Managing Director, Ripplewood Holdings, LLC
ITA Conti, Fulvio CEO and General Manager, Enel S.p.A.
USA Daniels, Jr., Mitchell E. Governor of Indiana
USA DeMuth, Christopher Distinguished Fellow, Hudson Institute
USA Donilon, Thomas E. National Security Advisor, The White House
GBR Dudley, Robert Group Chief Executive, BP plc
ITA Elkann, John Chairman, Fiat S.p.A.
DEU Enders, Thomas CEO, Airbus
USA Evans, J. Michael Vice Chairman, Global Head of Growth Markets, Goldman Sachs & Co.
AUT Faymann, Werner Federal Chancellor
DNK Federspiel, Ulrik Executive Vice President, Haldor Topsøe A/S
USA Ferguson, Niall Laurence A. Tisch Professor of History, Harvard University
GBR Flint, Douglas J. Group Chairman, HSBC Holdings plc
CHN Fu, Ying Vice Minister of Foreign Affairs
IRL Gallagher, Paul Former Attorney General; Senior Counsel
USA Gephardt, Richard A. President and CEO, Gephardt Group
GRC Giannitsis, Anastasios Former Minister of Interior; Professor of Development and International Economics, University of Athens
USA Goolsbee, Austan D. Professor of Economics, University of Chicago Booth School of Business
USA Graham, Donald E. Chairman and CEO, The Washington Post Company
ITA Gruber, Lilli Journalist - Anchorwoman, La 7 TV
INT Gucht, Karel de Commissioner for Trade, European Commission
NLD Halberstadt, Victor Professor of Economics, Leiden University; Former Honorary Secretary General of Bilderberg Meetings
USA Harris, Britt CIO, Teacher Retirement System of Texas
USA Hoffman, Reid Co-founder and Executive Chairman, LinkedIn
CHN Huang, Yiping Professor of Economics, China Center for Economic Research, Peking University
USA Huntsman, Jr., Jon M. Chairman, Huntsman Cancer Foundation
DEU Ischinger, Wolfgang Chairman, Munich Security Conference; Global Head Government Relations, Allianz SE
RUS Ivanov, Igor S. Associate member, Russian Academy of Science; President, Russian International Affairs Council
FRA Izraelewicz, Erik CEO, Le Monde
USA Jacobs, Kenneth M. Chairman and CEO, Lazard
USA Johnson, James A. Vice Chairman, Perseus, LLC
USA Jordan, Jr., Vernon E. Senior Managing Director, Lazard
USA Karp, Alexander CEO, Palantir Technologies
USA Karsner, Alexander Executive Chairman, Manifest Energy, Inc
FRA Karvar, Anousheh Inspector, Inter-ministerial Audit and Evaluation Office for Social, Health, Employment and Labor Policies
RUS Kasparov, Garry Chairman, United Civil Front (of Russia)
GBR Kerr, John Independent Member, House of Lords
USA Kerry, John Senator for Massachusetts
TUR Keyman, E. Fuat Director, Istanbul Policy Center and Professor of International Relations, Sabanci University
USA Kissinger, Henry A. Chairman, Kissinger Associates, Inc.
USA Kleinfeld, Klaus Chairman and CEO, Alcoa
TUR Koç, Mustafa Chairman, Koç Holding A.Ş.
DEU Koch, Roland CEO, Bilfinger Berger SE
INT Kodmani, Bassma Member of the Executive Bureau and Head of Foreign Affairs, Syrian National Council
USA Kravis, Henry R. Co-Chairman and Co-CEO, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co.
USA Kravis, Marie-Josée Senior Fellow, Hudson Institute
INT Kroes, Neelie Vice President, European Commission; Commissioner for Digital Agenda
USA Krupp, Fred President, Environmental Defense Fund
INT Lamy, Pascal Director-General, World Trade Organization
ITA Letta, Enrico Deputy Leader, Democratic Party (PD)
ISR Levite, Ariel E. Nonresident Senior Associate, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
USA Li, Cheng Director of Research and Senior Fellow, John L. Thornton China Center, Brookings Institution
USA Lipsky, John Distinguished Visiting Scholar, Johns Hopkins University
USA Liveris, Andrew N. President, Chairman and CEO, The Dow Chemical Company
DEU Löscher, Peter President and CEO, Siemens AG
USA Lynn, William J. Chairman and CEO, DRS Technologies, Inc.
GBR Mandelson, Peter Member, House of Lords; Chairman, Global Counsel
USA Mathews, Jessica T. President, Carnegie Endowment for International Peace
DEN Mchangama, Jacob Director of Legal Affairs, Center for Political Studies (CEPOS)
CAN McKenna, Frank Deputy Chair, TD Bank Group
USA Mehlman, Kenneth B. Partner, Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co.
GBR Micklethwait, John Editor-in-Chief, The Economist
FRA Montbrial, Thierry de President, French Institute for International Relations
PRT Moreira da Silva, Jorge First Vice-President, Partido Social Democrata (PSD)
USA Mundie, Craig J. Chief Research and Strategy Officer, Microsoft Corporation
DEU Nass, Matthias Chief International Correspondent, Die Zeit
NLD Netherlands, H.M. the Queen of the
ESP Nin Génova, Juan María Deputy Chairman and CEO, Caixabank
IRL Noonan, Michael Minister for Finance
USA Noonan, Peggy Author, Columnist, The Wall Street Journal
FIN Ollila, Jorma Chairman, Royal Dutch Shell, plc
USA Orszag, Peter R. Vice Chairman, Citigroup
GRC Papalexopoulos, Dimitri Managing Director, Titan Cement Co.
NLD Pechtold, Alexander Parliamentary Leader, Democrats '66 (D66)
USA Perle, Richard N. Resident Fellow, American Enterprise Institute
NLD Polman, Paul CEO, Unilever PLC
CAN Prichard, J. Robert S. Chair, Torys LLP
ISR Rabinovich, Itamar Global Distinguished Professor, New York University
GBR Rachman, Gideon Chief Foreign Affairs Commentator, The Financial Times
USA Rattner, Steven Chairman, Willett Advisors LLC
CAN Redford, Alison M. Premier of Alberta
CAN Reisman, Heather M. CEO, Indigo Books & Music Inc.
DEU Reitzle, Wolfgang CEO & President, Linde AG
USA Rogoff, Kenneth S. Professor of Economics, Harvard University
USA Rose, Charlie Executive Editor and Anchor, Charlie Rose
USA Ross, Dennis B. Counselor, Washington Institute for Near East Policy
POL Rostowski, Jacek Minister of Finance
USA Rubin, Robert E. Co-Chair, Council on Foreign Relations; Former Secretary of the Treasury
NLD Rutte, Mark Prime Minister
ESP Sáenz de Santamaría Antón, Soraya Vice President and Minister for the Presidency
NLD Scheffer, Paul Professor of European Studies, Tilburg University
USA Schmidt, Eric E. Executive Chairman, Google Inc.
AUT Scholten, Rudolf Member of the Board of Executive Directors, Oesterreichische Kontrollbank AG
FRA Senard, Jean-Dominique CEO, Michelin Group
USA Shambaugh, David Director, China Policy Program, George Washington University
INT Sheeran, Josette Vice Chairman, World Economic Forum
FIN Siilasmaa, Risto Chairman of the Board of Directors, Nokia Corporation
USA Speyer, Jerry I. Chairman and Co-CEO, Tishman Speyer
CHE Supino, Pietro Chairman and Publisher, Tamedia AG
IRL Sutherland, Peter D. Chairman, Goldman Sachs International
USA Thiel, Peter A. President, Clarium Capital / Thiel Capital
TUR Timuray, Serpil CEO, Vodafone Turkey
DEU Trittin, Jürgen Parliamentary Leader, Alliance 90/The Greens
GRC Tsoukalis, Loukas President, Hellenic Foundation for European and Foreign Policy
FIN Urpilainen, Jutta Minister of Finance
CHE Vasella, Daniel L. Chairman, Novartis AG
INT Vimont, Pierre Executive Secretary General, European External Action Service
GBR Voser, Peter CEO, Royal Dutch Shell plc
SWE Wallenberg, Jacob Chairman, Investor AB
USA Warsh, Kevin Distinguished Visiting Fellow, The Hoover Institution, Stanford University
GBR Wolf, Martin H. Chief Economics Commentator, The Financial Times
USA Wolfensohn, James D. Chairman and CEO, Wolfensohn and Company
CAN Wright, Nigel S. Chief of Staff, Office of the Prime Minister
USA Yergin, Daniel Chairman, IHS Cambridge Energy Research Associates
INT Zoellick, Robert B. President, The World Bank Group




Rapporteurs
GBR Bredow, Vendeline von Business Correspondent, The Economist
GBR Wooldridge, Adrian D. Foreign Correspondent, The Economist

Poor Uncle Tom

I can't believe we didn't vote no.

Haelium

Why is this secretive meeting taking place every year, and why is there an almost complete media blackout surrounding it?

So that influential people can discuss important issues plainly without the media quoting them out of context and making everything a political point.

Benny_Cake

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

Yes I know there have been threads on this before.

But I ask you all to do this please - step away from the Doritos and the TV for just one second and think. Why is this secretive meeting taking place every year, and why is there an almost complete media blackout surrounding it?

Given that they've announced the meeting on their website and provided a list of participants, they're doing a very bad job at being "secretive".

earpiece

Yeah, thought about it there for a minute............. can now confirm, I couldn't give a fúck.

Where To

BAN MEETINGS OF MORE THAN ONE PERSON! BAN THEM ALL!

Chuck Stone

They made me touch my pee-pee

UglyBolloxFace

Benny_Cake wrote: »

Given that they've announced the meeting on their website and provided a list of participants, they're doing a very bad job at being "secretive".

So a group meeting every year and not releasing anything at all about what they've discussed is "not secretive"?

Doc Ruby

Haelium wrote: »

So that influential people can discuss important issues plainly without the media

Sorry, they were elected by the public to fulfil public roles. Super sikrit meetings to decide public policy isn't a privelege they have.

I'd love to bust into the place and record a few of the discussions. Tempting!

Kylo Ren

It's obviously a cover up for the real meeting of the stonecutters.

Biggins

Darn!

(How do I get my name off that list!)

Attabear

Ah, Doritos and tv, the staple diet of the "sheeple".

And condescension the number one pastime of the "truth" seeker.

Pottler

"Right Lads, lets kick around a few ideas to increase our wealth, screw the public purse that bit harder, make sure we remain unassailable and decide which new laws we need introduced to keep the great unwashed in their place and our Tax dollars where they belong-in our pockets. Then we shall have a big fry-up. Noonan, you can come, but bring lube, some of us WILL be 4rse f-cking you and your lot in the near future-this invite is just so we can finger you a bit to loosen you up"

Defiler Of The Coffin

Someone has to keep the martians under wraps.

Attabear

Someone had to make Steve Guttenberg a star.

Biggins

Pottler wrote: »

"Right Lads, lets kick around a few ideas to increase our wealth, screw the public purse that bit harder, make sure we remain unassailable and decide which new laws we need introduced to keep the great unwashed in their place and our Tax dollars where they belong-in our pockets. Then we shall have a big fry-up. Noonan, you can come, but bring lube, some of us WILL be 4rse f-cking you and your lot in the near future-this invite is just so we can finger you a bit to loosen you up"

Thats enough quoting FG and Labour.
This thread is about the Bilderberg Group!

micropig

We're the bondholders, what's the problem?:D

Aidric

UglyBolloxFace wrote: »

I see that among several Irish attendants this year, Michael Noonan, our current Finance Minister, is attending. Now, I would have no problem if he was attending in a personal capacity, as that wouldn't concern me at all. But that fact that he is attending as the "Finance Minister of Ireland" really pisses me off - surely if he's attending in this capacity then we, the electorate, have a right to know what he will be discussing?

Why? You are making the assumption that he is on official government business, which he's not.

My name is URL

The Bilderberg Group, Bilderberg conference, or Bilderberg Club is an annual, unofficial, invitation-only conference of around 130 guests, most of whom are people of influence in the fields of politics, banking, business, the military and media. Each conference is closed to the public and the press.

I really don't see how people can be so flippant of the whole thing, and claim that they don't care about what is being discussed at the conferences.. I doubt they're talking about anything menial or unimportant, or of little relevance to any of us mere citizens!

With Kissinger attending, I hope they aren't discussing the issue of how to best feed the world!

http://www.larouchepub.com/other/1995/2249_kissinger_food.html

guitarzero

Olé, Olé Olé Olé! Tiz all grand, whaaaaay! Ah sure, this is it!

More jokes above and below that enforce why the Irish are in the dark.

Haelium

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Sorry, they were elected by the public to fulfil public roles. Super sikrit meetings to decide public policy isn't a privelege they have.

I'd love to bust into the place and record a few of the discussions. Tempting!

Sorry, where in the constitution does it say that elected officials can't go to private meetings?


Anyway, for the sake of argument let's say that it's an NWO thing. Overpopulation, race, eugenics and so forth need to be discussed but even hearing these words sets off alarm bells in people's heads, therefore super secret elite masonic Illuminati meetings are a necessary evil.

Doc Ruby

Haelium wrote: »

Sorry, where in the constitution does it say that elected officials can't go to private meetings?

Have you looked at the guest list? These people aren't being invited for their stunning good looks, scintillating personalities, and intellectual brilliance. You'd want to be wilfully blind to believe that they aren't there because of their position. If its being done without official sanction its even worse.

Haelium wrote: »

Overpopulation, race, eugenics and so forth need to be discussed but even hearing these words sets off alarm bells in people's heads

And with damn good reason. These topics aren't the subject of irrational popular mass hysteria, they've been responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of innocent people. Which is exactly why any such discussions need to be open to public scrutiny.

Biggins

I wonder what the security is like for that meeting?
Take that lot out and the world economy would definitely be in the crapper!

Doc Ruby

Biggins wrote: »

I wonder what the security is like for that meeting?

I wonder how well the serving staff are paid myself. A strategically dropped phone in a corner and its wikileaks city.

summerskin

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Biggins wrote: »

I wonder what the security is like for that meeting?

I wonder how well the serving staff are paid myself. A strategically dropped phone in a corner and its wikileaks city.

Yes. Because they are too stupid to have sensors or scramblers.


Just drop your Nokia in and we'll all know what's going on.......

Biggins

Doc Ruby wrote: »

I wonder how well the serving staff are paid myself. A strategically dropped phone in a corner and its wikileaks city.

Staff will be hand picked, well paid (I hope), vetted (many times) and checked/scanned just as many times I'm guessing.

Doc Ruby

summerskin wrote: »

Yes. Because they are too stupid to have sensors or scramblers.

Actually they probably are. After all these are important people, they can't be out of contact with their organisations/governments for any length of time. A phone would blend right into the noise in a way that advanced bugging systems wouldn't.

Never underestimate the weaknesses of convenience. This thread is going to turn into ways to mission impossible the meetings.

Biggins wrote:

Staff will be hand picked, well paid (I hope), vetted (many times) and checked/scanned just as many times I'm guessing.

People are always the weakest link. Always.

Logical Fallacy

Benny_Cake wrote: »

Given that they've announced the meeting on their website and provided a list of participants, they're doing a very bad job at being "secretive".

It's because they are all demonic lizard people. It doesn't matter if we know their human names, as we will never learn there Lizard names.

If we did, it would give us dominion over them.

donegal_road

the Trilateral Commission met in Dublin in May 2010 at the Four Seasons Hotel. Peter Sutherland and Henry Kissinger also attended this. Link

The Irish media were forbidden to discuss the fact that this meeting was even taking place. Pat Kenny wouldn't entertain any discussion on the issue when he was confronted on Frontline (black haired lady at 0:48)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBQExI1lN6w

Haelium

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Have you looked at the guest list? These people aren't being invited for their stunning good looks,

...ok?

scintillating personalities, and intellectual brilliance. You'd want to be wilfully blind to believe that they aren't there because of their position. If its being done without official sanction its even worse.

They have positions of power so they are invited to a meeting. What's the problem with that?

And with damn good reason. These topics aren't the subject of irrational popular mass hysteria, they've been responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of innocent people.

Governments have killed tens of millions, should we ban discussion of government? Should we ban discussion of guns and bombs and strategy?

Just because somebody dies because of something, doesn't mean we should ban it.

Which is exactly why any such discussions need to be open to public scrutiny.

The public are idiots. People should be able to discuss things without repercussions from the masses.

Doc Ruby

Haelium wrote: »

They have positions of power so they are invited to a meeting. What's the problem with that?

They are invited to a meeting because they have positions of power. This power was granted to them by the public, in trust. That trust doesn't encompass secret meetings which will in turn affect said public. And if they weren't going to affect the public, they wouldn't have been invited, since its the public appointed power they are after.

Haelium wrote: »

Governments have killed tens of millions, should we ban discussion of government? Should we ban discussion of guns and bombs and strategy?

Discuss them all you like, just do so publicly if you're on the taxpayer's euro. I think you've gone a bit mad here.

Haelium wrote: »

The public are idiots. People should be able to discuss things without repercussions from the masses.

Ah the sneering contempt of the aspirant philosopher kings, certain that their own judgement is better than everyone else's, self anointed of course. Is it any wonder the world is the way it is.

Haelium

Doc Ruby wrote: »

They are invited to a meeting because they have positions of power. This power was granted to them by the public, in trust. That trust doesn't encompass secret meetings which will in turn affect said public. And if they weren't going to affect the public, they wouldn't have been invited, since its the public appointed power they are after.

Ok, don't vote for him if you don't like it.

Discuss them all you like, just do so publicly if you're on the taxpayer's euro. I think you've gone a bit mad here.

He attends private meetings every day, what makes this one different?

Ah the sneering contempt of the aspirant philosopher kings, certain that their own judgement is better than everyone else's, self anointed of course. Is it any wonder the world is the way it is.

When people refuse to think rationally about certain issues, their judgement on those matters is obviously poor. Eugenics and population control are not inherently bad things, just because Hitler had a crazy outlook on eugenics doesn't make all eugenicists evil.

Doc Ruby

Haelium wrote: »

Ok, don't vote for him if you don't like it.

I didn't and wouldn't, the problem arises when elected representatives go and do their own thing, for example our current predicament for which FF was buried and the Greens destroyed, wiped out as a political force. That should give you an idea about how the much maligned public feels about such matters.

Haelium wrote: »

He attends private meetings every day, what makes this one different?

Not a one of those is immune to public scrutiny. I mean really, you weren't aware of that?

Haelium wrote: »

When people refuse to think rationally about certain issues, their judgement on those matters is obviously poor. Eugenics and population control are not inherently bad things, just because Hitler had a crazy outlook on eugenics doesn't make all eugenicists evil.

There's something wrong with you.

My name is URL

Haelium wrote: »

When people refuse to think rationally about certain issues, their judgement on those matters is obviously poor. Eugenics and population control are not inherently bad things, just because Hitler had a crazy outlook on eugenics doesn't make all eugenicists evil.

There's a reason that most people don't see that as being true. Mainly it's because there is rarely ever any public discourse on the subject and any potential positives that it has. It's a fact that people are more willing to engage with and open-mindedly consider ideas that are not kept under close guard, or not discussed with the public's perceptions in mind. The early days of climate change discussion is a good example of that, and the lack of engagement between scientists, business people, legislators and the public-at-large; early on, is responsible for a lot of the skepticism that is seen today.

Pedant

If the meeting is so secretive, why was the guest list published?

Load of bollocks if you ask me. 99.9% of conspiracy theorists are either on the dole (thus having a little too much time on their hands), have some mental disorder or are on drugs.

My name is URL

Pedant wrote: »

If the meeting is so secretive, why was the guest list published?

Load of bollocks if you ask me. 99.9% of conspiracy theorists are either on the dole (thus having a little too much time on their hands), have some mental disorder or are on drugs.

I bet you hadn't even heard of a Bilderberg meeting before now. If that's the quality of argument you're capable of then, you suck.. at arguing

Pedant

My name is URL wrote: »

I bet you hadn't even heard of a Bilderberg meeting before now. If that's the quality of argument you're capable of then, you suck.. at arguing

You can't argue with conspiracy theorists; they're unreasonable, they love twisting arguments. They're just impossible people because of their impossiblenessness.

My name is URL

Pedant wrote: »

You can't argue with conspiracy theorists; they're unreasonable, they love twisting arguments. They're just impossible people because of their impossiblenessness.

The fact that a meeting is taking place isn't a conspiracy theory. If it was a meeting of Cardinals or Public Sector bosses, they could just as easilly keep the stuff they discuss under wraps. Those questioning or talking about it are far less likely to be labelled as conspiracy theorists though.

Pedant

My name is URL wrote: »

The fact that a meeting is taking place isn't a conspiracy theory. If it was a meeting of Cardinals or Public Sector bosses, they could just as easilly keep the stuff they discuss under wraps. Those questioning or talking about it are far less likely to be labelled as conspiracy theorists though.

Powerful global leaders meet all the time - it happens nearly every week at the UN. I don't see what's so special about Bilderberg.

nullzero

Haelium wrote: »

Doc Ruby wrote: »

Have you looked at the guest list? These people aren't being invited for their stunning good looks,

...ok?

scintillating personalities, and intellectual brilliance. You'd want to be wilfully blind to believe that they aren't there because of their position. If its being done without official sanction its even worse.

They have positions of power so they are invited to a meeting. What's the problem with that?

And with damn good reason. These topics aren't the subject of irrational popular mass hysteria, they've been responsible for the deaths of tens of millions of innocent people.

Governments have killed tens of millions, should we ban discussion of government? Should we ban discussion of guns and bombs and strategy?

Just because somebody dies because of something, doesn't mean we should ban it.

Which is exactly why any such discussions need to be open to public scrutiny.

The public are idiots. People should be able to discuss things without repercussions from the masses.

Would you consider yourself a member of the public?

I'm struggling to understand why someone who is not a part of a clandestine group and has a limited knowledge of its inner workings would make them selves such a willing apologist for it. But then hey I'm just an idiotic member of the public sticking my meddling nose where it doesn't concern me. After all any group that meets in secret to set the agend for the entire world would only be doing so to avoid unwarranted media scrutiny and could oobviously only have the good of the people at heart.

Pedant

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Television can also be bad for people.

I think some conspiracy theorists love to act condescending about the obvious as well as stupid stuff they made up; it's a hallmark of failure and insecurity.

My name is URL

Pedant wrote: »

Powerful global leaders meet all the time - it happens nearly every week at the UN. I don't see what's so special about Bilderberg.

You can't really compare it in any way to the UN. As idiotic as the UN sometimes are, they at least divulge the issues discussed at any meetings

Run_to_da_hills

Pedant wrote: »

I think some conspiracy theorists love to act condescending about the obvious as well as stupid stuff they made up; it's a hallmark of failure and insecurity.

Others just get tired of them.

Channel Zero

Haelium wrote: »

So that influential people can discuss important issues that effect them and their profits plainly without the media quoting them out of context and making everything a political point.

Fixed that statement above for you, so that it's more truthful and less naive.

My name is URL

Fcuk off RTDH! You and your sheep pictures are the reason that nobody gives this stuff the attention it deserves!

Haelium

nullzero wrote: »

Would you consider yourself a member of the public?

I'm struggling to understand why someone who is not a part of a clandestine group and has a limited knowledge of its inner workings would make them selves such a willing apologist for it. But then hey I'm just an idiotic member of the public sticking my meddling nose where it doesn't concern me. After all any group that meets in secret to set the agend for the entire world would only be doing so to avoid unwarranted media scrutiny and could oobviously only have the good of the people at heart.

It's not about apologetics, most of the members are probably psychopaths, but there's no justification for banning people from meeting up privately. I'm just sick of hearing people talk as if they have the right to dictate what powerful people should or shouldn't do with their power.

Johro

Haelium wrote: »

The public are idiots. People should be able to discuss things without repercussions from the masses.

Even if they're discussing ways of manipulating said public? The public are idiots if they believe everything that's fed to them, but you're saying, don't ask questions?

Haelium

Channel Zero wrote: »

Fixed that statement above for you, so that it's more truthful and less naive.

Concerning themselves with profits? How dare they!?

K-9

My name is URL wrote: »

Fcuk off RTDH! You and your sheep pictures are the reason that nobody gives this stuff the attention it deserves!

Best point in this thread.

I don't know if I'd buy the whole Conspiracy Theory thing, I think it shows a worrying deference to big business and globalism, but no doubt this went on long before they were buzz words.

Noonan probably just wants to drum up foreign investment, because he has no faith in us getting ourselves out of this mess! Which is rather ironic.

Foreign investment doesn't create the jobs and secondary industries that it used to.

Channel Zero

Haelium wrote: »

Concerning themselves with profits? How dare they!?

If it was just business leaders, most people wouldn't have a problem. It's the addition of political heads of state, ministers of finance, middle east specialists etc, that gives the thing a whole different dimension.

Noonan is clearly there because of his position. That is a betrayal of trust of that position imo, same with all the elected officials attending.

Public policy should not be discussed or influenced in this way, behind closed doors .

Run_to_da_hills

"Once again betraying their sneering arrogance towards the American people and the first amendment, Bilderberg members attending their annual confab in Chantilly Virginia this past weekend referred to protesters outside as “cockroaches,” according to one of the hotel employees at the Westfields Marriott".

http://www.infowars.com/bilderberg-members-label-protesters-cockroaches/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/us-news-blog/2012/jun/04/bilderberg-2012-ken-s-drive-of-shame