Are we the surviving fighting Irish or the ones too dumb to leave?

Fromthetrees

Yeah so the Irish population was 8 million odd over 150 years ago, think it's one of the only countries in the world that actually has a lower population now than then.
The English fucked us over for 800 years blah ner ber ber, and fuck the Normans ect. ect.

So are the Irish that currently live in Ireland today the lazy losers that had no brains with zero get up and go attitude to get out of here or are we the direct blood line descendants of strong survivors that lived through famine, war and pestilence?

Are we winners or losers or whatever?

John Doe1

The ones that left during the famine were the thickos

BUBBLE WRAP

We slot into the "whatever" catergory...

ejmaztec

The ones that are left are the ones who have to sign for the food parcels, and cash the cheques that are sent in the post from overseas.

Riamfada

We were the ones with the full bellies

newmug

Its not so much that people left, they were killed or died.

1ZRed

If anything we're the ones strong enough to survive everything.

leggo

We're the drunks...

...who still live in Ireland. As opposed to the drunks who now live in Perth. No other real difference, just different choices.

Killer Wench

Fromthetrees wrote: »

Yeah so the Irish population was 8 million odd over 150 years ago, think it's one of the only countries in the world that actually has a lower population now than then.
The English fucked us over for 800 years blah ner ber ber, and fuck the Normans ect. ect.

So are the Irish that currently live in Ireland today the lazy losers that had no brains with zero get up and go attitude to get out of here or are we the direct blood line descendants of strong survivors that lived through famine, war and pestilence?

Are we winners or losers or whatever?

I'm not Irish thus I can't specifically address your question, but I'm American of Indigenous ancestry so I see similarities between the Irish and Natives. Back in the 1840s, members of my nation and other tribes pooled together resources to send to Ireland to help with those who fighting through the famine. This assistance happened only a few years after the forced relocation of my nation to Indian Territory, and my ancestors felt compelled to help because many had Irish relatives/ancestors and others felt the kinship with another indigenous population that was being oppressed by colonial usurpers.

There are members of my nation who managed to remain on the ancestral homeland, others had relocated to IT before the Trail of Tears, and the majority were forced to relocate from the southeast to IT. Because of this, there are now three distinct tribal communities who at times view themselves as rivals for resources and cultural supremacy.

Through my lens, I think the more fascinating question to ask is: are those who remain today helping the survival of Ireland or the survival of the Irish?

tvnutz

John Doe1 wrote: »

The ones that left during the famine were the thickos

They really were. I mean come on, at the end of the day you will pay the price for being a fussy eater. If they could afford to emigrate, they could afford to eat in a modest restaurant.

Vicar in a tutu

We just have staying power...

and would be lost without our mammies

mikemac1

Go home Yank said the Bull McCabe

The Bull didn't leave

Duggy747

Dunnes Stores have €1 pack of 6 donuts, and they're bloody lovely.

So, based on that, I'm staying.

newmug

Killer Wench wrote: »

I'm not Irish thus I can't specifically address your question, but I'm American of Indigenous ancestry so I see similarities between the Irish and Natives. Back in the 1840s, members of my nation and other tribes pooled together resources to send to Ireland to help with those who fighting through the famine. This assistance happened only a few years after the forced relocation of my nation to Indian Territory, and my ancestors felt compelled to help because many had Irish relatives/ancestors and others felt the kinship with another indigenous population that was being oppressed by colonial usurpers.

And we thank you. I remember hearing about this in school and I could not believe that complete strangers in another country, with troubles of their own, would share whatever they had with us completely selflessly and unconditionally. I may not have been born, and would not be writing this post were it not for the kind actions of your ancestors. Thank you again.

kowloon

Duggy747 wrote: »

Dunnes Stores have €1 pack of 6 donuts, and they're bloody lovely.

So, based on that, I'm staying.

Jam?

Tym

Yeah so the Irish population was 8 million odd over 150 years ago

Really?:S With medicine, proper food, etc. I kind of don't believe that. Maybe it meant total including Irish families abroad, and the number does increase in our generation if you count abroad:P

jayteecork

Duggy747 wrote: »

Dunnes Stores have €1 pack of 6 donuts, and they're bloody lovely.

So, based on that, I'm staying.

Tesco do 12 for 1.50.

Elmer Blooker

I wouldn't know, I'm too hungover and too thick to have an opinion.

little swift

the ones that left are the braves and the ones that stayed a homeys who cant live with out their mammys.

Doc Ruby

Tym wrote: »

Really?:S With medicine, proper food, etc. I kind of don't believe that. Maybe it meant total including Irish families abroad, and the number does increase in our generation if you count abroad:P

What the fuck.

Coriolanus

I still have my job, so I haven't left. That's about it. I think six months on the dole would be all I could stand before I left.

Paco Rodriguez

Surviving what OP? Rocket attacks? Famine? Earthquakes? Persecution? Genocide.
Why should I move. I have enough food....I can have luxuries like watching tv, cycling on an expensive bike, have access to running water, etc.

cowzerp

The thick ones are obviously still here, we voted Permanent Hardship/Austerity on ourselves the other day so how THICK can a Race be.

St.Spodo

Tym wrote: »

Really?:S With medicine, proper food, etc. I kind of don't believe that. Maybe it meant total including Irish families abroad, and the number does increase in our generation if you count abroad:P

The Irish population including Ulster Protestants was in and around 8 million before the Famine, I believe.

Pottler

I'm hoping to be the last one left when ye all emmigrate so I can have all the beer to myself. You can't kill scutch as they say around here. Would it not have been the case that eldest/strongest son got the farm and all the runts got the boat? Best looking girls married them strongest sons, all the uglies emmigrated. Hence we are both strong, resourceful and good looking.*







* My theory may not stand up to rational examination but I like it.

forfuxsake

Killer Wench wrote: »

I'm not Irish thus I can't specifically address your question, but I'm American of Indigenous ancestry so I see similarities between the Irish and Natives. Back in the 1840s, members of my nation and other tribes pooled together resources to send to Ireland to help with those who fighting through the famine. This assistance happened only a few years after the forced relocation of my nation to Indian Territory, and my ancestors felt compelled to help because many had Irish relatives/ancestors and others felt the kinship with another indigenous population that was being oppressed by colonial usurpers.

There are members of my nation who managed to remain on the ancestral homeland, others had relocated to IT before the Trail of Tears, and the majority were forced to relocate from the southeast to IT. Because of this, there are now three distinct tribal communities who at times view themselves as rivals for resources and cultural supremacy.

Through my lens, I think the more fascinating question to ask is: are those who remain today helping the survival of Ireland or the survival of the Irish?

newmug wrote: »

And we thank you. I remember hearing about this in school and I could not believe that complete strangers in another country, with troubles of their own, would share whatever they had with us completely selflessly and unconditionally. I may not have been born, and would not be writing this post were it not for the kind actions of your ancestors. Thank you again.

Does anyone if (since the founding of the Banana republic) we have ever thanked(or tried to repay) the Native Americans/Indians for their kindness?

If not I say it is time to put pressure on our TDs to offer proper thanks. I would suggest an offer of Irish citizenship to any American Indian who would like it. There are 2.5m, and another 1.6m half-injuns. I would welcome them all.

and a statue.

mikemac1

Yep, Mary McAleese did a few years back

charlemont

John Doe1 wrote: »

The ones that left during the famine were the thickos

Irish organisational and leadership skills are what's lacking, You may find them in Boston or Birmingham, Some of it has still survived in Belfast but there's nothing of it down here anyway..The runt of Europe's litter I'm afraid.

pragmatic1

We're the dum dums. Think we have one of the lowest IQ scores in Europe, lots of issues with learning difficulties too. The smartest in the family moved abroad and the dummies that were left are our ancestors.

charlemont

St.Spodo wrote: »

The Irish population including Ulster Protestants was in and around 8 million before the Famine, I believe.

It was clearly higher than that and if we hadn't had other famines and genocides in the previous few hundred years it would have been even higher then.

Anyway Ireland's future is in immigration so get used to it. European overspill's in population will be partly absorbed here. An island with such quantities of water, land and democracy and freedom of worship should be flourishing.

shankespony

Yip 800 years of British oppression and within 100 Years cocked it up ourselves. Great country!

charlemont

Tym wrote: »

Really?:S With medicine, proper food, etc. I kind of don't believe that. Maybe it meant total including Irish families abroad, and the number does increase in our generation if you count abroad:P

You just single handedly proved we are the dumb one's !!!

Have you ever heard of a f'king census ?
History ?
Any of the above ?

tdv123

All the good ones left & got cushy jobs over in the states.

The Obama's, O'Reilly's, Colbert's,Tyson's,Schwarzenegger's etc...

leggo

pragmatic1 wrote: »

We're the dum dums. Think we have one of the lowest IQ scores in Europe, lots of issues with learning difficulties too. The smartest in the family moved abroad and the dummies that were left are our ancestors.

That's BS. No way foreigners are smarter than us, sure half of them don't even speak English...

Fromthetrees

Tym wrote: »

Really?:S With medicine, proper food, etc. I kind of don't believe that. Maybe it meant total including Irish families abroad, and the number does increase in our generation if you count abroad:P

The population was 8 million odd pre famine, look it up bud.

Cool Story Bro

We're the hardiest shams ever to do laps of the town.

Killer Wench

mikemac1 wrote: »

Yep, Mary McAleese did a few years back

And there were a few tribal delegations in the last few years, too.

Opticom

Fromthetrees wrote: »

So are the Irish that currently live in Ireland today the lazy losers that had no brains with zero get up and go attitude to get out of here or are we the direct blood line descendants of strong survivors that lived through famine, war and pestilence?

Are we winners or losers or whatever?

The most politically corrupt and connected always get to stay, the rest, especially the honest and the brightest, have to fck off eventually, either in this generation or the next, leaving the gene pool of what's left to fester and become ever more rancid and cunning. Tis the Irish way, this perpetually corrupt little country never could sustain its population and emigration has always been, and always will be, the safety / pressure relief valve.

LH Pathe

I'll never flee this coutry in search of "teh good life" I know many further education compounded fools that have returned from the well treaded IT path with patronization added to their girths, yet I am more endowed with the culture of these regions they seemed to have failed to learn anything from

Vandy West

forfuxsake wrote: »

Does anyone if (since the founding of the Banana republic) we have ever thanked(or tried to repay) the Native Americans/Indians for their kindness?

If not I say it is time to put pressure on our TDs to offer proper thanks. I would suggest an offer of Irish citizenship to any American Indian who would like it. There are 2.5m, and another 1.6m half-injuns. I would welcome them all.

and a statue.

With all the casino money the Indians have maybe we should ask them for another bailout/handout?

mikemac1

forfuxsake wrote: »

I would suggest an offer of Irish citizenship to any American Indian who would like it.

They'd enjoy the drinking culture anyway

Killer Wench

Vandy West wrote: »

With all the casino money the Indians have maybe we should ask them for another bailout/handout?

Not every tribe has a casino. Not every casino has been lucrative. And when a recession hits, entertainment is usually one of the first things that goes in terms of people's monthly expenses. The casino industry has gone bust for many tribes.

Frankie Lee

mikemac1 wrote: »

Yep, Mary McAleese did a few years back

Sorry for being pedantic but it was Mary Robinson
https://pantherfile.uwm.edu/michael/www/choctaw/robinson.html

mikemac1

Oh right
Well one of the Marys anyway

IrishAm

Killer Wench wrote: »

I'm not Irish thus I can't specifically address your question, but I'm American of Indigenous ancestry so I see similarities between the Irish and Natives.

Its simply remarkable that so many Americans claim to have Cherokee ancestry. It's en vogue at the moment. I find it amusing.

You are probably as native American as me, i.e not at all.

Killer Wench

IrishAm wrote: »

Its simply remarkable that so many Americans claim to have Cherokee ancestry. It's en vogue at the moment. I find it amusing.

You are probably as native American as me, i.e not at all.

Really? You too have a full blood grandpa who had relatives that were sent to Indian boarding schools and died there? You also have documents verifying your Indian blood? You also have relatives living in Oklahoma within tribal jurisdiction who are married to other Indians? You also got a surname that is common within your tribe? You also taught at a Native educational program? You also are recognized as a member of an Indian community?

Don't confuse me with Elizabeth Warren.

Opticom

PrincessLola

Maybe our ancestors were arses who took all the food in the famine and forced the others to leave.

RMD

There's still plenty of opportunity in this country. Just have to go looking for it and show a bit of determination. Too many jumping on the Austrailia / Canada bandwagon thinking everything's fúcked.

JimmyCrackCorn

I left apparently as a lifestyle choice.

Yes that's why I left my friends, family and everyone I know and start everything all over again.

Id love to come back but I'm probably *****.

mikemac1

mikemac1 wrote: »

Go home Yank said the Bull McCabe

The Bull didn't leave

The bull was also a weirdo