Galway Airport - mega merge

JillyQ

?Cee?view wrote: »

Apologies. My post was unclear. Yes, car and driver, effectively a private taxi type set up.

Nice one

Robbo

Ulick McEvaddy wants to set up a drone hub at the airport on account of our "operator- friendly regulations".

Light touch regulation, the benevolence of the taxpayer, pliant local authorities and "dual-use" technology...it's like playing potential scandal bingo.

Zzippy

Robbo wrote: »

Ulick McEvaddy wants to set up a drone hub at the airport on account of our "operator- friendly regulations".

Light touch regulation, the benevolence of the taxpayer, pliant local authorities and "dual-use" technology...it's like playing potential scandal bingo.

You left out "investor-friendly", "low corporate tax" and "jobs-driven". But top marks for your enterprising vision.

flynnlives

By "operater friendly" he is referring to Irelands place within the aviation industry. Ireland is actually a world leader in outsourcing and leasing of commercial jets which is a huge industry. Half of all leased aircraft are managed here. Decades of experience.
We also have alot of maintenance of commercial jets here.

And drone technology is actually going to become quite huge.

This is actually a great idea so less of the begrudgery please.

JillyQ

flynnlives wrote: »

By "operater friendly" he is referring to Irelands place within the aviation industry. Ireland is actually a world leader in outsourcing and leasing of commercial jets which is a huge industry. Half of all leased aircraft are managed here. Decades of experience.
We also have alot of maintenance of commercial jets here.

And drone technology is actually going to become quite huge.

This is actually a great idea so less of the begrudgery please.

Finally someone is speaking sense about a use for the airport

Dan_Solo

flynnlives wrote: »

This is actually a great idea so less of the begrudgery please.

So not wanting yet more wads of tax flung at dead donkeys is "begrudgery" now? Any chance they'll set up something that actually makes money instead of burning it?
Beyond that best of luck to them. But it should be an entirely private thing after the millions wasted at GA.

Robbo

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Beyond that best of luck to them. But it should be an entirely private thing after the millions wasted at GA.

McEvaddy, like his bessie Declan Ganley, is the type of provincial libertarian who thinks that anything other than the taxpayer propping up their entire own particular operation is creeping communism.

But perhaps we're a little off target here, much like a drone at an Afghan wedding.

outsidein98

What are you on about? Do you think they're going to be making military drones?

Commercial use of drones is likely to increase exponentially in the next few years. There's a real opportunity for Ireland to get in on this industry and make it as big as the airliner leasing business is to this country.

Why is there this antagonism to any use of this airport for aviation purposes?

Or do you prefer the fantasy movie studio idea?

Robbo

outsidein98 wrote: »

What are you on about? Do you think they're going to be making military drones?

Ulick McEvaddy. Moreover, Ulick McEvaddy. Big privatised war boners right there.

outsidein98 wrote: »

Commercial use of drones is likely to increase exponentially in the next few years. There's a real opportunity for Ireland to get in on this industry and make it as big as the airliner leasing business is to this country.

Perhaps. Or maybe the people involved in the leasing aspects of drones will just stay in the Dublin where all the current aircraft leasing expertise and support services live. And yes, I am aware of GECAS' outlier operation in Shannon.

outsidein98 wrote: »

Why is there this antagonism to any use of this airport for aviation purposes?

Personally, I'd love to see the airport being used as a functioning airport that isn't an inexplicable millstone around the necks of the local authorities. Hell, if they can make the hobbyist market pay, I'll be down there cheering on each Cessna Dentist Killer that pops in for lunch and 300 quid of Avgas.

outsidein98 wrote: »

Or do you prefer the fantasy movie studio idea?

Thank your for your false dichotomy. The film studio is a particularly stupid idea also given that Limerick have stolen a march with Dellywood/Hollywang development. Also, the sheer amount of times Ardmore has teetered on insolvency over the years is testament to the transient nature of that industry.

outsidein98

Glad you agree about the studio idea. People losing the run of themselves there. I don't know why they don't go for the fantasy and suggest building an F1 track. So we can hold the Irish Grand Prix there every year.

Yes the McEvaddys have made some money out of the military market but they know an emerging market when they see one. Military drones are a very specialised market. So we won't be seeing signs around the airport saying 'Use of deadly force authorised' in the new Area 91.

Dublin is not so good for drone testing. Too much complex airspace and built up areas. Galway is ideal. Hence the interest. There is no sensible reason to set up in Dublin. If Galway doesn't snap it up other more progressive regional airports will.

You sneer at the Cessna drivers but by and large isn't it better they spend their €300 in Galway than elsewhere? Plus those private jets that drop in spend a lot of money.

This idea is definitely worth looking at from people with a proven track record of making money. However distasteful some people find them.

notharrypotter

outsidein98 wrote: »

What are you on about? Do you think they're going to be making military drones?

Commercial use of drones is likely to increase exponentially in the next few years. There's a real opportunity for Ireland to get in on this industry and make it as big as the airliner leasing business is to this country.

Why is there this antagonism to any use of this airport for aviation purposes?

but they know an emerging market when they see one.

There is a huge hype currently about "drones".

The word is being bandied about by people thinking it makes them sound knowledgeable.

Just being curious, can you link a civilian commercial "Drone" that can carry a commercially viable payload in excess of 5kg at low cost over a range greater than 10km?
Comparator is a man with a van delivering equivalent package.

There are limited numbers commercial use presently for surveying and photography.

The gulf between what are currently being used for photography/surveying and any commercial large RPAS is significant.

So much so that any manufacturer of same is not going to be based in Ireland.

Dublin is not so good for drone testing.

and

Too much complex airspace and built up areas.

Any of the small sized RPAS say sub 10 Kg can effectively be tested in just about any large open space.

Anything above that is in the main not going to be battery powered so is in a different league.
Despite the hype Ireland is not in that league.



Curious

Plus those private jets that drop in spend a lot of money.

and

the Cessna drivers spend their €300 in Galway

How much are the landing charges in Galway these days?
How many hotel rooms will they need?

The Eireagle is more useful in tourist terms.

Aerohead

One thing that perhaps could happen if McAvaddy comes in, he owns Omega Air and operates charter flights , maybe he could start flying out of Galway with smaller aircraft like an ATR 72, you never know

outsidein98

Not Harry, I notice you always post very negatively. Why is that? Do you have anything positive to add to the discussion at all?

notharrypotter

Aerohead wrote: »

One thing that perhaps could happen if McAvaddy comes in, he owns Omega Air and operates charter flights , maybe he could start flying out of Galway with smaller aircraft like an ATR 72, you never know

Curious, can you post a link regarding the charter flights?

ben.schlomo

outsidein98 wrote: »

Not Harry, I notice you always post very negatively. Why is that? Do you have anything positive to add to the discussion at all?

Positive to aid your argument? Why must it be so? I think the poster has backed up his/her points very well, better than your own dare i say.

Aerohead

notharrypotter wrote: »

Curious, can you post a link regarding the charter flights?

Sorry not charter flights as we know them but they ferry US troops around the Globe and lots of leasing etc ,but I am sure if they came in you would never know what plans they might have


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulick_McEvaddy

notharrypotter

Aerohead wrote: »

Sorry not charter flights as we know them but they ferry US troops around the Globe and lots of leasing etc ,but I am sure if they came in you would never know what plans they might have


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulick_McEvaddy

From the wikipedia article.

he established Omega Air Inc; a Washington-based US Corporation that specialises in the sale and lease of aircraft. Omega Air has become one of the biggest supplier and traders of Boeing 707 in the world. Today Omega Air has developed into a group of six aviation companies whose services include spare part sales and leasing, engine overhaul and repair, aircraft sales and leasing, air-to-air re-fuelling and re-engineering of Boeing 707 series aircraft.[1]

I am sorry but I do not see any reference to actual provision of troop transport charters.

Storm 10

notharrypotter wrote: »

From the wikipedia article.


I am sorry but I do not see any reference to actual provision of troop transport charters.

Don't mind what you are reading they have moved a long way from that article, Omega Air got a contract to move US troops to bases in Europe and the middle east from the US. they have Omega Tankers on them but some are kitted out for passengers.

notharrypotter

Storm 10 wrote: »

Don't mind what you are reading they have moved a long way from that article, Omega Air got a contract to move US troops to bases in Europe and the middle east from the US. they have Omega Tankers on them but some are kitted out for passengers.

Curious, can you please post a link regarding the troop transport charters?

Any chance you a re mistaken them foe OMNI?

Storm 10

notharrypotter wrote: »

Curious, can you please post a link regarding the troop transport charters?

Any chance you a re mistaken them foe OMNI?

Actually you are more than likely right, Omni Air is troop transport and Omega Air is refuelling.

outsidein98

outsidein98 wrote: »

Not Harry, I notice you always post very negatively. Why is that? Do you have anything positive to add to the discussion at all?

It wouldn't be like you to post negatively about an airport...Oh the irony :rolleyes:

On Knock:

outsidein98 wrote: »

Rather quaint, all those those priests running around and pilgrimages to Rome. Different times. Glad to see the back of them.

Nice comment from one man about the people of the west doing it for themselves rather than depending on those people in Dublin. Pity it's not true. To this day it continues to be propped up with taxpayers money supplied by those people in Dublin.

I only used it once as a passenger. Not much to it. But was not impressed when I came back to find someone had tried to break into our car in the car park. The only other time was when when I stopped over there during my CPL flight test. That's a story in itself!

On Galway:

outsidein98 wrote: »

it's a big town rather than a city, sorry Galway people but it's true. Limerick is a proper city and it does suffer from city problems. Galway is really rather small from the perspective of a Dubliner. .......... But there's a bit of a small town mentality that persists. My wife couldn't wait to get out of the place when she was younger.

Plus it has to be said that it's reputation as a place to go among Dubliners, who like it or not are a huge influence on a city's reputation,

I have sarcastically referred to it as the westernmost Dublin suburb and the to hear some of the accents. You might think D4.

But finally I do prefer Dublin. You can take the man out of Dublin.........

We are so privileged that you have managed to slum it in the west with us for so long. If you need the bus fair home i'm sure a few of us can club together and buy a ticket for you.

outsidein98

Am I wrong about Knock? It's propped up by taxpayers money. All it really does is take business from Shannon now that it killed Galway airport.

The west's airport is Shannon.

You know a good Doctor can get that chip out of your shoulder.

outsidein98

outsidein98 wrote: »

Am I wrong about Knock? It's propped up by taxpayers money. .

Wrong! Its the 10 euro departure tax that all customers pay that props its up.

outsidein98 wrote: »

The west's airport is Shannon.

Wrong again. I know you think the world is centred around where ever you live and all infrastructure should be on your doorstep. But your geography is not too good although not surprising when you consider Galway as been a suburb of Dublin. The West is from Cork - Letterkenny and Shannon is in the southern quarter of that route so no its not the "west's airport" just because you happen to use it.

As for chips on shoulders you may want to look at yourself. You appear to be disgusted that you no longer live in your shangri la aka Dublin. If everything is so bad in the west i'm sure nobody is forcing you to stay. If you plan on staying in the west then you better get used to a lack of infrastructure and government support.

outsidein98

LOL Galway is a nice place to live. It has three airports nearby. Dublin, Shannon and Knock. Knock is a bit supernumerary. Only useful on occasion subsidised because the Taoisech is from nearby.
I live in IRELAND, you may have heard of the place. My allegiance is to IRELAND not some county or Parish. You need to leave behind your parochial mentality. I even like Mayo despite Galway people's attitude to the place. ' You're from Mayo? Baa haa'

Time

Has the airport ceased all operations? I've noticed recently there's large concrete bollards, similar to the concrete divider on the motorway, blocking the entrance so no vehicles can enter.

WallyGUFC

Time wrote: »

Has the airport ceased all operations? I've noticed recently there's large concrete bollards, similar to the concrete divider on the motorway, blocking the entrance so no vehicles can enter.

Closed entirely around Xmas when the licence ran out. Not even refuelling going on now there now.

There were a lot of cars parked on the hard shoulder on Sunday afternoon - is it being used for anything else?

I know the car park was used by the rally folk last year.

ronnie3585

The Flying Club is still very much active there. The concrete blocks were placed there due to a 'security incident' last week.

lotusm

It appears Galway Airport new function is going to be a new halting site ...
http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/traveller-families-set-up-camp-at-galway-airport-34447378.html

ronnie3585

Thankfully, they're now gone. Bringing their 'cultural diversity' to a town near you.