How Long until I can come home?

IrishAm

Fussy Eater wrote: »

Hey I was merely paraphrasing the English landowner from The Wind that Shakes the Barley. In these more secular times I simply replaced "Priest infested" with 'European'...

He was Irish. Our own treated the native working class worse than any English man.

Amira Puny Bather

Amira Puny Bather wrote: »

Where do you live and what are your friends qualified in?

dublin
physicists
one is finished his phd and back working in something slightly more computery
someone else switched to music for her ma and teaches music
another person is working in education, after physics

another friend didnt do physics, she's a physio

the_syco

smash wrote: »

If anyone thinks a night time IT course is going to train them enough to move into a specialised industry then they're mistaken. These courses are basic at best.

I agree that most courses are pretty basic, with the only one that are of some use are the courses that give you a relevant cert, but they're only good if you're already in that area and wish to upgrade.

Once you know that you enjoy the subject, it'd be best to do a degree at night in a college.

IrishAm wrote: »

Otherwise, what is the point of the Irish state, if not to provide for the Irish people? What is its function, if not that?

Oh, it could provide for him, but he would be bored out of his tree.

Amira Puny Bather wrote: »

I don't notice any recession here in London - the shops, restaurants and bars are as packed as ever and people are still getting jobs.

Unless you knew people across a wide range of jobs, I'd say it'd be harder to see the recession, if that makes sense?

Doc

Doc wrote: »

I'm not advocating a return to everything that took place in the Celtic tiger times but a few new buildings going up occasionally and people who build things being able to make a living in Ireland again wouldn't be that bad would it?

Trouble is there's a hundred thousand or more people still here who would probably be ahead of you in the queue for work if there was a bit of an upturn. It would take a massive upturn for many full-time jobs to be created.

RATM

At the start of this recession I had it down as a 2 or 3 year event but in the last six months I've slowly realised that we are in for around 10-15 years minimum of low or zero growth. Why? Because Noonan & Kenny have extended the loans on our banking debt out to 2030 and beyond.

Every man woman and child in this nation is saddled with a debt of €140,000. Think about that in real terms- as well as buying your own house you also have to pay for another one via taxes to the government so you can pay off the bankers debt. That means over a lifetime you will have paid out €280,000 to get a home, half of it in taxes to pay off a debt that isn't yours. And that is not including the fact that there is a property and water charge on the way as well as huge cuts to health, education and social services. In short you are getting much much less while you are being expected to pay much much more in tax.

OP when (and if) NAMA makes a decision to demolish a big proportion of ghost estates there will be some work in construction. However it will most likely only be for those construction firms closely connected to Nama, ie.it will be given to the developers they are propping up. There will not be any sustainable construction work in this country for a very long time I'm sorry to say. The government has cancelled virtually every infrastructure project and one off house building is at a virtual standsill.

However all is not lost. You will always always find construction work in London and Germany is also in a boom at the moment. The other side of the world is not your only option when it comes to working abroad.

CruelCoin

Doc wrote: »

Right so I am no longer living inside the boarders of the lovely land of Ireland. I was seeing a bit of the world about 4 years ago and arrived in Australia where I found a job that allowed me to stay living and working here. At the time there was little or no jobs in my line of work in Ireland so I thought may as well take this for now and see what happens. Now while I like it here well enough I don’t know if I want to stay here forever. It’s awful far away from my family and childhood friends and I’m a bit of a home body at hart, love Ireland and will always consider it to be my home. My job is related to the construction industry so not much point coming home for a while yet but how long that while will be is now what I’m wondering.

I’m sure there are lots of people just like me wondering the same thing who are working around the world in industries that went tits up in Ireland but would rather be at home.

When I first took the job here I was talking to my parents about it and they said that I should stay and take the work and that in two or three years it should blow over. Well the two or three years have passed and now I’m wondering how much longer?

I do realise that I'm not in that bad position really and that others are a lot worse off then me but sometimes I really do miss home.

There will never again be a celtic tiger style boom in Ireland.

Likely, the entire euro-zone is going to end up in a Japanese style stagnation that will last a decade.

The entire eurozone spent the last decade building up welfare states that these economies could barely support during boom-time, let alone recessionary times.

It will take a long time to correct the mistakes of old, so my advice to you is; if you are happy abroad, stay there.

Conguill

Construction will pick up but probably not to the levels of 2007.

Apparently, construction generally tends to account for 10% of the GDP of a devaloped nation, in 2007 it was about 23%GDP and nopw it is 5-6%GDP. We should regress to the mena over the next few years (barring Eurozone catastrophe).

There is some work in Ireland and a lot of Irish firms using skills picked up during the boom abroad; engineering design offices, architects, contractors. I am based in an office in Dublin but most of my engineering work is for foreign projects.

grindle

smash wrote: »

I hear this thrown around all the time... If anyone thinks a night time IT course is going to train them enough to move into a specialised industry then they're mistaken. These courses are basic at best.

Getting a degree through the evening course isn't the same, or doesn't teach to the same level as the full-time course?

Do they make the tests and ongoing assessments easier for the part-timers?

Cee-Jay-Cee

I'd say your looking at another 8 to 10yrs before things start to improve enough to notice and even then it wont be anywhere like it was previously. It will be a very cautious and slow improvement.

You say that all your family and childhood friends are at home but you have to remember that many if not them all will settle down get married and start families and its not like when you were a teenager living at home when you and your friends were carefree. I can understand that its difficult to be so far away from your family but you need to make your own life now.

You're living in a fantastic country and you have a good job, theyre two things you wont have if you return home. This is not a good country at the moment and there is no work.

I think your looking at Ireland through rose tinted glasses and if you were to return you would seriously regret it within a short space of time.

CruelCoin

grindle wrote: »

Getting a degree through the evening course isn't the same, or doesn't teach to the same level as the full-time course?

Do they make the tests and ongoing assessments easier for the part-timers?

No they don't.

I think he was referring to add-on 12 week courses/diplomas, not degrees.

smash

grindle wrote: »

Getting a degree through the evening course isn't the same, or doesn't teach to the same level as the full-time course?

Do they make the tests and ongoing assessments easier for the part-timers?

A degree course is a lot different from a night course. There's not a lot of people in the position to fork out for them and invest 4 years to get it.

donegal_road

there will be so many Irish going out your way OP, that you'll feel like your at home

Nothingbetter2d

OP lets face it... your an Aussie now.... g'day how is it hangin' out there in the bush?

Opticom

Doc wrote: »

Well the two or three years have passed and now I’m wondering how much longer?

I do realise that I'm not in that bad position really and that others are a lot worse off then me but sometimes I really do miss home.

You can take the optimistic view, the pessimistic view, or the realists view.

Here's the realists view :

On the positive side :

I think things have a least bottomed out and are now bouncing and scraping along the bottom.

The cost of living has improved in many ways.

If you're not too fussy, willing to search under every rock nook and cranney for a job, and willing to move around Ireland and work short term contracts anywhere, on low wages, there may be one or two short term jobs available in construction now and then.

People have become more careful with their money, it's now fashionable again to make do, repair things, buy second hand, and grow your own veg.

Anything flashy or ostentatious is seen as horribily out of fashion and crass, but on the other hand, it feels a bit like the 1980's, eastern Germany at times. Some people like that.



On the negative side :

None one of the old problems that got us into the mess have been fixed.

Irish politcs is still in a shambles, with not one poltician or party that can be trusted to tell the truth.

No one has been brought to task for the finacial corruption.

Under the surface, the Irish construction industry is still one of the most unprofessional, gangster ridden, corrupt mafia industries in the western world. No lessons have been learned. There are still hundreds of 'priory halls' out there waiting to be discovered and publicised.

Enda's big solution to the job crisis is for everyone that used to work in construction to retrain as IT professional's, as people have said here, a couple of quick courses won't cut it, so IT is the next bubble, and wage crash waiting to happen.

The streets are noticeably emptier of under 30's

You won't qualify for the dole here, as you've been off 'enjoying' yourself abroad.

Workplace bullying is now the norm, and employers now see you as their own personal slave / cheap labour.

It's back to who you know, not what you know again. (was't it always though)

This country is now fcked good and proper for a generation at least, it's back to the lifestyle and system of the 1980's. Which is o.k. in some ways, because we're actually far more used to it.

Advice

I would come home for an extended holiday first if I were you, have a look at the jobs market and have a good think about it before you cash in your chips in Oz.

JustAThought

Good point there ; not many people are talking about the catastrophic hours people are expected to put in; snd put up with; in order to be seen to Ne wanting to keep their jobs. It won't make the media CIA; hey; that's not a cc/union matter ; FCCs still desert the place at4pm at latest while private sector workers are increasing crucified with massive overloads, unsustainable working hours & unrealistic " targets". No like; there's plenty more who will do it.
Look at eBay/PayPal/Vodaphone/cocacola : all thousands of workers per company being told ; youhave your job it's just now located in Louth/Wecford etc ; commute or go; and all we see is Enda shuttering about how nice itis tbatDundalk/Louth etc have new" jobs" coming cos it will help local businesses.

My last role I was expected to match USA hours : as we'll as Irish ; travel & then catch up with projects on weekends ; I did an average start of 7 am and was usually under lressure to try and leave by 7pm to try and get home at a " normal" time ; this didnt include the Saturday's or the other " extras"

I saw a job advertised; part time lecturing, Dundalk ( as it happened!) , 24k per year ; temporary; PHD required.
Another; UCD ; management role ; " must be well presented and good looking"
WTF!!!

Standard requirements for roles are increasingly " sun/moon&stars" required; dealing with ambiguity. /short term contracts/ & " flexibility " required ; insert as that person said slavery.

We might all be shopping in Lidl but gas has gone up ( another) 10%, so has electricity; bins are now at about e200 total a year, tax on house e200, we willow be paying for meters for water for our houses if EU has it's way & then measuring how many times we can afford to shower :flush ; health insurance is running at a projected 40% projected increase ( it's currently at aprox e800) not tomention a tank of petrol for an average car at about e80/100.

It's now been raining for about two years ; ever day; with the exception of about 20 days last week & were still so excited by that that we don't know whether we're coming or going. Grafton Street ; we re all wearing black or navycoats, beanie hats & gloves... Did I mention it's June now.

Bleak & remorseless & unforgiving.
I sincerelydont recommend a move back at the moment.

Unless you ve a trust fund? 40k a year for about 10 years willcover you.