How Long until I can come home?

Jester252

2015

IrishAm

This thread is quite unsettling. An Irish man who loves his country, should never be forced away. Irish citizens are not economic pawns that can be brushed away when times are tough.

Otherwise, what is the point of the Irish state, if not to provide for the Irish people? What is its function, if not that?

Doc, I hope you get to come home soon.

Eve_Dublin

donegal_road wrote: »

if you even qualify for unemployment assisstance.. I have heard of people who have returned to Ireland and have been refused dole as they haven't been paying prsi or stamps here in a couple of years

That's me. I couldn't get anything when I returned home after 5 years away, so left again.


OP I can really empathise. I've got a Media Production and Communications degree and I'm not qualified to do anything specialised as my degree is basically obselete with advances in technology in that area. Since the degree I worked as a librarian and I almost started a masters in that area in Dublin but decided to go travelling instead with the money I'd saved at the last minute. That was a year before things went pear-shaped. I don't have any regrets as I'd a great time...but saying that, it mightened have been the wisest move. :-/

I'm here now in Spain teaching English and although I'm generally not homesick to any major degree, I get homesick when I think I can't go home anytime soon. I like Ireland and I liked living there. I left because we were required to do our final year in England, then I met a guy blah blah. I've been out of the country for the best part of 8 years now and I miss my family and friends and the humour and the easy-going way of life...and vegetation and variation in weather and the nightlife and.....you get the idea. Luckily I can go home when I want (I get home maybe 3 times a year) so that keeps the homesickness at bay.

I know I'm going to have to go back to uni and qualify in something practical instead of an Arts degree or something useless. It's my only chance of ever getting home again, which I think I want to do eventually. I see myself growing old there.

You really wouldn't consider requalifying in something else? Or moving to Germany? Germany is a Ryanair flight away and you don't feel so homesick when you know you're closer to home, even if you don't go home that much. It's just the fact that you CAN go home when you want.

Sorry to hear your situation. It's a sad one but I think you do have options. You just have to be willing to compromise and be a bit more flexible. You're only 31 (I'm 32), plenty of time to train in something else. 30s is the new 20s, maaaaan!

Fussy Eater

I have recently emigrated to Ireland and the job hunting is bloody tough. I may not be Irish but I do want to enjoy living here. Nevertheless it's a hard place to like at the moment...

Eve_Dublin

Fussy Eater wrote: »

I have recently emigrated to Ireland and the job hunting is bloody tough. I may not be Irish but I do want to enjoy living here. Nevertheless it's a hard place to like at the moment...

Did you not realise how tought it'd be before you came here???

IrishAm

Fussy Eater wrote: »

I have recently emigrated to Ireland

Are you a sucker for punishment?:)

What made you want to come here, considering the current unemployment crisis?

Fussy Eater

For love. My o/h is Irish.

CucaFace

smash wrote: »

I hear this thrown around all the time... If anyone thinks a night time IT course is going to train them enough to move into a specialised industry then they're mistaken. These courses are basic at best.

Fair enough.

I said night course as i assume it would be impossible for the OP to leave their day job to attend a full time course.

I'd have to agree i doubt a night course would get you anything that useful back here in the IT sector.

IrishAm

Fussy Eater wrote: »

For love. My o/h is Irish.

He/shes a sucker for punishment, alright.

Good luck with the job hunting, pal.

CucaFace

Fussy Eater wrote: »

I have recently emigrated to Ireland and the job hunting is bloody tough. I may not be Irish but I do want to enjoy living here. Nevertheless it's a hard place to like at the moment...

What kind of jobs you looking for?

Fussy Eater

CucaFace wrote: »

What kind of jobs you looking for?

Well paid and permanent ones.

CucaFace

Fussy Eater wrote: »

Well paid and permanent ones.

Ah you're fuked so.

IrishAm

Fussy Eater wrote: »

Well paid and permanent ones.

I see you have referred to Ireland as a european backwater. I retract my comments wishing you luck. I hope the Irish mot gains some cop on, chucks you, fleeces you and that you are refused all welfare assistance.

Tally ho!

Fussy Eater

CucaFace wrote: »

Ah you're fuked so.

Amen.

AudreyHepburn

I think the biggest mistake people are making is assuming that 'No jobs in my sector' - 'No jobs at all'.

There are jobs out there, you just have to be willing to put in the effort to find them and to look beyond your own area of study/skill.

The job I have now has nothing to do with what I studied but I love it. It took six months of slogging to find but that makes me even more happy to be here.

OP if you want to come home, do. Don't the overbearing pessimissim and negativity being displayed everywhere put you off.

There are oppertunties still..it's about being flexible, putting in the effort looking for work and maybe developing new skills to open new doors.

I've long given up on the idea of ever going back to Ireland. I moved abroad 'temporarily' in 2008 and things are worse than ever at home. All my friends there are on the dole or underemployed, working in shops or petrol stations while most of my friends here have good jobs. I don't notice any recession here in London - the shops, restaurants and bars are as packed as ever and people are still getting jobs. I'm always shocked when I go back to Dublin and see the difference.

Amira Puny Bather

Amira Puny Bather wrote: »

I've long given up on the idea of ever going back to Ireland. I moved abroad 'temporarily' in 2008 and things are worse than ever at home. All my friends there are on the dole or underemployed, working in shops or petrol stations while most of my friends here have good jobs. I don't notice any recession here in London - the shops, restaurants and bars are as packed as ever and people are still getting jobs. I'm always shocked when I go back to Dublin and see the difference.

I don't think I know anyone unemployed and haven't seen much difference
a number of friends have emigrated with their postdoc work but that's not "can't get a job here", just how it goes with that field

Fussy Eater

IrishAm wrote: »

I see you have referred to Ireland as a european backwater. I retract my comments wishing you luck. I hope the Irish mot gains some cop on, chucks you, fleeces you and that you are refused all welfare assistance.

Tally ho!

Hey I was merely paraphrasing the English landowner from The Wind that Shakes the Barley. In these more secular times I simply replaced "Priest infested" with 'European'...

bluewolf

bluewolf wrote: »

I don't think I know anyone unemployed and haven't seen much difference
a number of friends have emigrated with their postdoc work but that's not "can't get a job here", just how it goes with that field

Where do you live and what are your friends qualified in?

hooradiation

Jester252 wrote: »

2015

In the year 2525.
Providing man is still alive, though.

IrishAm

Fussy Eater wrote: »

Hey I was merely paraphrasing the English landowner from The Wind that Shakes the Barley. In these more secular times I simply replaced "Priest infested" with 'European'...

He was Irish. Our own treated the native working class worse than any English man.

Amira Puny Bather

Amira Puny Bather wrote: »

Where do you live and what are your friends qualified in?

dublin
physicists
one is finished his phd and back working in something slightly more computery
someone else switched to music for her ma and teaches music
another person is working in education, after physics

another friend didnt do physics, she's a physio

the_syco

smash wrote: »

If anyone thinks a night time IT course is going to train them enough to move into a specialised industry then they're mistaken. These courses are basic at best.

I agree that most courses are pretty basic, with the only one that are of some use are the courses that give you a relevant cert, but they're only good if you're already in that area and wish to upgrade.

Once you know that you enjoy the subject, it'd be best to do a degree at night in a college.

IrishAm wrote: »

Otherwise, what is the point of the Irish state, if not to provide for the Irish people? What is its function, if not that?

Oh, it could provide for him, but he would be bored out of his tree.

Amira Puny Bather wrote: »

I don't notice any recession here in London - the shops, restaurants and bars are as packed as ever and people are still getting jobs.

Unless you knew people across a wide range of jobs, I'd say it'd be harder to see the recession, if that makes sense?

Doc

Doc wrote: »

I'm not advocating a return to everything that took place in the Celtic tiger times but a few new buildings going up occasionally and people who build things being able to make a living in Ireland again wouldn't be that bad would it?

Trouble is there's a hundred thousand or more people still here who would probably be ahead of you in the queue for work if there was a bit of an upturn. It would take a massive upturn for many full-time jobs to be created.

RATM

At the start of this recession I had it down as a 2 or 3 year event but in the last six months I've slowly realised that we are in for around 10-15 years minimum of low or zero growth. Why? Because Noonan & Kenny have extended the loans on our banking debt out to 2030 and beyond.

Every man woman and child in this nation is saddled with a debt of €140,000. Think about that in real terms- as well as buying your own house you also have to pay for another one via taxes to the government so you can pay off the bankers debt. That means over a lifetime you will have paid out €280,000 to get a home, half of it in taxes to pay off a debt that isn't yours. And that is not including the fact that there is a property and water charge on the way as well as huge cuts to health, education and social services. In short you are getting much much less while you are being expected to pay much much more in tax.

OP when (and if) NAMA makes a decision to demolish a big proportion of ghost estates there will be some work in construction. However it will most likely only be for those construction firms closely connected to Nama, ie.it will be given to the developers they are propping up. There will not be any sustainable construction work in this country for a very long time I'm sorry to say. The government has cancelled virtually every infrastructure project and one off house building is at a virtual standsill.

However all is not lost. You will always always find construction work in London and Germany is also in a boom at the moment. The other side of the world is not your only option when it comes to working abroad.

CruelCoin

Doc wrote: »

Right so I am no longer living inside the boarders of the lovely land of Ireland. I was seeing a bit of the world about 4 years ago and arrived in Australia where I found a job that allowed me to stay living and working here. At the time there was little or no jobs in my line of work in Ireland so I thought may as well take this for now and see what happens. Now while I like it here well enough I don’t know if I want to stay here forever. It’s awful far away from my family and childhood friends and I’m a bit of a home body at hart, love Ireland and will always consider it to be my home. My job is related to the construction industry so not much point coming home for a while yet but how long that while will be is now what I’m wondering.

I’m sure there are lots of people just like me wondering the same thing who are working around the world in industries that went tits up in Ireland but would rather be at home.

When I first took the job here I was talking to my parents about it and they said that I should stay and take the work and that in two or three years it should blow over. Well the two or three years have passed and now I’m wondering how much longer?

I do realise that I'm not in that bad position really and that others are a lot worse off then me but sometimes I really do miss home.

There will never again be a celtic tiger style boom in Ireland.

Likely, the entire euro-zone is going to end up in a Japanese style stagnation that will last a decade.

The entire eurozone spent the last decade building up welfare states that these economies could barely support during boom-time, let alone recessionary times.

It will take a long time to correct the mistakes of old, so my advice to you is; if you are happy abroad, stay there.

Conguill

Construction will pick up but probably not to the levels of 2007.

Apparently, construction generally tends to account for 10% of the GDP of a devaloped nation, in 2007 it was about 23%GDP and nopw it is 5-6%GDP. We should regress to the mena over the next few years (barring Eurozone catastrophe).

There is some work in Ireland and a lot of Irish firms using skills picked up during the boom abroad; engineering design offices, architects, contractors. I am based in an office in Dublin but most of my engineering work is for foreign projects.

grindle

smash wrote: »

I hear this thrown around all the time... If anyone thinks a night time IT course is going to train them enough to move into a specialised industry then they're mistaken. These courses are basic at best.

Getting a degree through the evening course isn't the same, or doesn't teach to the same level as the full-time course?

Do they make the tests and ongoing assessments easier for the part-timers?

Cee-Jay-Cee

I'd say your looking at another 8 to 10yrs before things start to improve enough to notice and even then it wont be anywhere like it was previously. It will be a very cautious and slow improvement.

You say that all your family and childhood friends are at home but you have to remember that many if not them all will settle down get married and start families and its not like when you were a teenager living at home when you and your friends were carefree. I can understand that its difficult to be so far away from your family but you need to make your own life now.

You're living in a fantastic country and you have a good job, theyre two things you wont have if you return home. This is not a good country at the moment and there is no work.

I think your looking at Ireland through rose tinted glasses and if you were to return you would seriously regret it within a short space of time.

CruelCoin

grindle wrote: »

Getting a degree through the evening course isn't the same, or doesn't teach to the same level as the full-time course?

Do they make the tests and ongoing assessments easier for the part-timers?

No they don't.

I think he was referring to add-on 12 week courses/diplomas, not degrees.