Future of Irish politics and immigration [mod note #58]

dpqt

In what ways do you see immigration, and the votes of future Eastern European/ Asian/ African immigrants and their children's votes having an affect on our political system? Will it benefit the country, or cause division based on ethnic and cultural votes? Most importantly, is there a chance it will move this country beyond civil war politics, given that most of them will not have backgrounds here for long, and die hard loyalty to political parties would more or less be a non-issue. e.g.

"My grandad fought the blueshirts, no way I'd vote for them. A Fianna Fail man through and through"

"My granny was a FG woman, and so were my parents. FG are the only way"

etc. You get the idea.

Mr.Crinklewood

Once you go black you never go back.

Cookie_Monster

Dey tuk ur votes!

Sound of Silence

I couldn't imagine that the Immigrant population would ever grow to such an extent that it would transform the Political landscape, especially now with our economic woes.

charlemont

Overtime descendants of immigrants will probably be running this country.. And for the better too.

Pedant

Those bleedin' forner, bleedin' bleedin' bleedin' blayden forners, blayden all over the place.

af_thefragile

Pedant wrote: »

Those bleedin' forner, bleedin' bleedin' bleedin' blayden forners, blayden all over the place.

derka durk!!!

wandererz

dpqt wrote: »

In what ways do you see immigration, and the votes of future Eastern European/ Asian/ African immigrants and their children's votes having an affect on our political system? Will it benefit the country, or cause division based on ethnic and cultural votes? Most importantly, is there a chance it will move this country beyond civil war politics, given that most of them will not have backgrounds here for long, and die hard loyalty to political parties would more or less be a non-issue. e.g.

"My grandad fought the blueshirts, no way I'd vote for them. A Fianna Fail man through and through"

"My granny was a FG woman, and so were my parents. FG are the only way"

etc. You get the idea.

Numbers are too low to cause division on ethnic and cultural votes.
Voting from immigrants will more likely than not be based on real identifiable issues rather than die hard loyalty in my opinion.
With that said, look at the number of die hard Fianna Failures who changed sides and voted Fianna Gael the last time around.
Hopefully people have copped on.
Also, Ireland now hopefully has a generation of broader minded people who grew up in the late 20th and early 21st century and who vote with their feet rather than their familial ties.

In a way, Ireland already has one immigrant influence in government in Varadkar.
Although, lets hope that does not continue in the same way and that we have stronger representation in the future.

I say that as an immigrant myself AND also looking at the rest of the current government - who seem to have done well in the opposition benches berating the previous government though being incapable of conducting a cohesive non-scripted and intelligent conversation now that they are in government.

It's sad really. They all spent years and years berating and promising so much yet not a single intelligent idea between any of them to resolve this crisis.
And to be honest, when was the last time we heard anything worthwhile from the red-headed git himself.

The sooner the country is out of factionary politics, the better.....probably...

luckyfrank

Half the population of brussles is muslim, there's a political party there with growing support thats calling for sharia law, the islamification of europe is happening

af_thefragile

luckyfrank wrote: »

Half the population of brussles is muslim, there's a political party there with growing support thats calling for sharia law, the islamification of europe is happening

That's a load of BS!!

Nodin

luckyfrank wrote: »

Half the population of brussles is muslim, there's a political party there with growing support thats calling for sharia law, the islamification of europe is happening

Yeah, yeah. We're all doomed.

luckyfrank

af_thefragile wrote: »

That's a load of BS!!

A time bomb is ticking and no one knows when it is going to explode,but one thing is for sure it will explode.One of the reasons why Islam is growing in the West it is because of demography,Western countries have a negative population rate,while Muslim countries have a positive and Muslims are colonizing the West.In the last decades across the Western World Islam is spreading like a wild-fire and everyone knows that with the growth of the Muslim population come problems of a unprecedented magnitude.Riots,crime,rapes,terrorism are just of the few problems which the West faces with Islamization,but also the cultural transformation of West into Islam.More and more we see that traditional Islamic customs are accepted in Western societies and that leads to conflict.Some experts agree that a civil war in Europe is inevitable,unless if the non-Muslim population does something,but time is running out and the options are shrinking.

Islam spreads in the West through migration of Muslims in the West,high fertility rate of Muslims in the West and the conversion of non-Muslims into Islam.This problem is getting worse by each year and the future might be dark for non-Muslims in Europe.It is estimated that across the European continent there are 54 million Muslims (link),but those numbers will double in 2015 (link),so if the non-Muslim population across the continent doesn’t begin the process of Rechristianization which will turn the tide of Muslim population growth,Europe in the next century will become a Muslim continent and will become the extension of the Muslim World which its center is the Middle East.Unfortunately,non-Muslim Europeans doesn’t seem to care about this,too many of them are brainwashed by the anti-Christian left-wing propaganda machine and Europe is dying.

Here are nine statistics about the Muslim population growth in the West which will make you nervous:

1.In Austria in 1971 there were only 22200 Muslims (0.3%),today it is estimated that there are between 400000 and 500000 Muslims living in the country (6%) (link),already some parts of Vienna have a Muslim majority (link)

2.In Belgium in 2008 Islam has become the largest minority religion in the country with 628751 members (link) and the city of Brussels which is the capital of Belgium and the EU has a Muslim population of 25.5% (link) and Brussels will have a Muslim majority in 2030 (link)

3.France prohibits performing census based on religion and race,but it is estimated that the number of Muslims in the country is about 5-10% of the population (link) and the Muslim population of Marseille has reached 30-40% (link) which means it will become a Muslim-majority city in just a few years

4.In Germany the number of Muslims is currently estimated at 4.3 million (5.4%) of the population (link) and it is the largest minority religion in the country and it is estimated that Germany will become a Muslim state in 2050 (link)

5.In 1980 Norway had only 1006 Muslims,but in 2010 Muslims number 98953 (link) and the growth of the Muslim population in Norway which is not a member of the EU has caused a rape epidemic in Oslo where the majority of Muslims live (link)

6.Besides the Chechnya and the regions around (Dagestan and Ingushetia) which have a Muslim majority (link),in Moscow the number of Muslims is estimated at 1.5 million,while the whole country has a population of 20 million Muslims (link)

7.Spain has a Muslim population just over one million,but it will increase in 2030 by 82% (link),in 1992 the Spanish town of Salt had only 5% of Muslims,but in 2010 the Muslim population is 50% and crime has skyrocketed from 156 in 1992 to 5000 in 2010 (link)

8.Sweden has currently 400000 Muslims,while in 1930 only 15 (link),Malmo which is located in Southern Sweden has 25% Muslim population (link),that caused a Jewish exodus from Malmo (link),while the growth of the Muslim population across the country caused a rape epidemic (link).Danish journalist Lars Hedegaard said that Sweden will have a Muslim majority by 2049 (link)

9.Currently in the USA there are 2.6 million Muslims,but their number will double in 2030 when it will be 6.2 million (link)

So will the growth of the Muslim population stop?Of course not because they are migrating in large number to the West and they have a higher fertility rate,but our leaders are doing nothing to stop them,besides that Cameron,Sarkozy and Merkel claim that Multiculturalism failed and that there needs to be a policy change,but there isn’t any political will to stop the Muslim conquest of the West without guns and bombs.The responsibility is of course on the Christian church which is doing next to nothing,instead of evangelizing the Muslim population and Rechristianizing the non-Muslim Europeans which are slowly dying,the Church doesn’t seem to care about this besides that churches across the West are being turned into mosques.

But when the Muslim population grows enough then the real consequences will be seen and it will be a disaster for the non-Muslim Europeans which allowed it to happen

luckyfrank

Islam isnt a race it's an ideology. radical islam needs to be confronted there is too many thick PC brigaders around

af_thefragile

^That's nothing more than scaremongering.

Statistics can't predict the future.

luckyfrank

af_thefragile wrote: »

^That's nothing more than scaremongering.

Statistics can't predict the future.

Actully they can give you a pretty good idea

Cookie_Monster

just ban Islam, problem solved

luckyfrank

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

just ban Islam, problem solved

Seriously whats needed is tighter immigration controls, western christisan culture and islam dont mix well, it's happening all over the western world, australia.usa,europe all have intergration problems with muslims, they want there way of life, there culture to replace western culture, this is the truth

af_thefragile

luckyfrank wrote: »

Seriously whats needed is tighter immigration controls, western christisan culture and islam dont mix well, it's happening all over the western world, australia.usa,europe all have intergration problems with muslims, they want there way of life, there culture to replace western culture, this is the truth

What exactly comprises this western culture? And why is only Islam out of all the world religions antagonistic to it? What about the hindus, buddhists and jews?

NakedNNettles

The future of irish politics will be run by the Germans.

...and I for one welcome our new overlords. my bad. enough already. atari jaguar. gettin down with the kids / douchebags cause i'm so so so funny loike!

mikemac1

Sure wasn't Dev from New York

So many cowboys in the Dáil, time for some Indians

Not Varadkar though, he's getting worse by the day

Ellis Dee

Nodin wrote: »

Yeah, yeah. We're all doomed.

Better eat all the rashers you can while you still can.:):):):)

Ellis Dee

luckyfrank wrote: »

A time bomb is ticking and no one knows when it is going to explode,but one thing is for sure it will explode.One of the reasons why Islam is growing in the West it is because of demography,Western countries have a negative population rate,while Muslim countries have a positive and Muslims are colonizing the West.In the last decades across the Western World Islam is spreading like a wild-fire and everyone knows that with the growth of the Muslim population come problems of a unprecedented magnitude.Riots,crime,rapes,terrorism are just of the few problems which the West faces with Islamization,but also the cultural transformation of West into Islam.More and more we see that traditional Islamic customs are accepted in Western societies and that leads to conflict.Some experts agree that a civil war in Europe is inevitable,unless if the non-Muslim population does something,but time is running out and the options are shrinking.

Islam spreads in the West through migration of Muslims in the West,high fertility rate of Muslims in the West and the conversion of non-Muslims into Islam.This problem is getting worse by each year and the future might be dark for non-Muslims in Europe.It is estimated that across the European continent there are 54 million Muslims (link),but those numbers will double in 2015 (link),so if the non-Muslim population across the continent doesn’t begin the process of Rechristianization which will turn the tide of Muslim population growth,Europe in the next century will become a Muslim continent and will become the extension of the Muslim World which its center is the Middle East.Unfortunately,non-Muslim Europeans doesn’t seem to care about this,too many of them are brainwashed by the anti-Christian left-wing propaganda machine and Europe is dying.

Here are nine statistics about the Muslim population growth in the West which will make you nervous:

1.In Austria in 1971 there were only 22200 Muslims (0.3%),today it is estimated that there are between 400000 and 500000 Muslims living in the country (6%) (link),already some parts of Vienna have a Muslim majority (link)

2.In Belgium in 2008 Islam has become the largest minority religion in the country with 628751 members (link) and the city of Brussels which is the capital of Belgium and the EU has a Muslim population of 25.5% (link) and Brussels will have a Muslim majority in 2030 (link)

3.France prohibits performing census based on religion and race,but it is estimated that the number of Muslims in the country is about 5-10% of the population (link) and the Muslim population of Marseille has reached 30-40% (link) which means it will become a Muslim-majority city in just a few years

4.In Germany the number of Muslims is currently estimated at 4.3 million (5.4%) of the population (link) and it is the largest minority religion in the country and it is estimated that Germany will become a Muslim state in 2050 (link)

5.In 1980 Norway had only 1006 Muslims,but in 2010 Muslims number 98953 (link) and the growth of the Muslim population in Norway which is not a member of the EU has caused a rape epidemic in Oslo where the majority of Muslims live (link)

6.Besides the Chechnya and the regions around (Dagestan and Ingushetia) which have a Muslim majority (link),in Moscow the number of Muslims is estimated at 1.5 million,while the whole country has a population of 20 million Muslims (link)

7.Spain has a Muslim population just over one million,but it will increase in 2030 by 82% (link),in 1992 the Spanish town of Salt had only 5% of Muslims,but in 2010 the Muslim population is 50% and crime has skyrocketed from 156 in 1992 to 5000 in 2010 (link)

8.Sweden has currently 400000 Muslims,while in 1930 only 15 (link),Malmo which is located in Southern Sweden has 25% Muslim population (link),that caused a Jewish exodus from Malmo (link),while the growth of the Muslim population across the country caused a rape epidemic (link).Danish journalist Lars Hedegaard said that Sweden will have a Muslim majority by 2049 (link)

9.Currently in the USA there are 2.6 million Muslims,but their number will double in 2030 when it will be 6.2 million (link)

So will the growth of the Muslim population stop?Of course not because they are migrating in large number to the West and they have a higher fertility rate,but our leaders are doing nothing to stop them,besides that Cameron,Sarkozy and Merkel claim that Multiculturalism failed and that there needs to be a policy change,but there isn’t any political will to stop the Muslim conquest of the West without guns and bombs.The responsibility is of course on the Christian church which is doing next to nothing,instead of evangelizing the Muslim population and Rechristianizing the non-Muslim Europeans which are slowly dying,the Church doesn’t seem to care about this besides that churches across the West are being turned into mosques.

But when the Muslim population grows enough then the real consequences will be seen and it will be a disaster for the non-Muslim Europeans which allowed it to happen

Thanks for that. I's always nice to have a good laugh over my morning coffee.:rolleyes::):D:D

DonQuay1

af_thefragile wrote: »

^That's nothing more than scaremongering.

Statistics can't predict the future.

OK .... scaremongering or not .... it sorta scares me ... did a bit of googling and checking ... and the Norwegian / Swedish happenings actually happened and the stats are apparently right!!

However - I really have to laugh at this particular gem:

'Statistics can't predict the future.'

Then why the hell do we have a Central Statistics Office or 5 year plans for transport, housing, schooling ('Foreign' language enabled helpers too), etc, etc, Ad Nauseum??? You think the world just compiles stats. on all sort of things - for fun? or to keep a couple of people off the relevant dole queues??
Gombeenism!!

Not a major fan of wiki - but it says it better here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Statistics
"Early applications of statistical thinking revolved around the needs of states to base policy on demographic and economic data, hence its stat- etymology. The scope of the discipline of statistics broadened in the early 19th century to include the collection and analysis of data in general. Today, statistics is widely employed in government, business, and the natural and social sciences."

Pherekydes

luckyfrank wrote: »

A time bomb is ticking and no one knows when it is going to explode,but one thing is for sure it will explode.One of the reasons why Islam is growing in the West it is because of demography,Western countries have a negative population rate,while Muslim countries have a positive and Muslims are colonizing the West.In the last decades across the Western World Islam is spreading like a wild-fire and everyone knows that with the growth of the Muslim population come problems of a unprecedented magnitude.Riots,crime,rapes,terrorism are just of the few problems which the West faces with Islamization,but also the cultural transformation of West into Islam.More and more we see that traditional Islamic customs are accepted in Western societies and that leads to conflict.Some experts agree that a civil war in Europe is inevitable,unless if the non-Muslim population does something,but time is running out and the options are shrinking.

Islam spreads in the West through migration of Muslims in the West,high fertility rate of Muslims in the West and the conversion of non-Muslims into Islam.This problem is getting worse by each year and the future might be dark for non-Muslims in Europe.It is estimated that across the European continent there are 54 million Muslims (link),but those numbers will double in 2015 (link),so if the non-Muslim population across the continent doesn’t begin the process of Rechristianization which will turn the tide of Muslim population growth,Europe in the next century will become a Muslim continent and will become the extension of the Muslim World which its center is the Middle East.Unfortunately,non-Muslim Europeans doesn’t seem to care about this,too many of them are brainwashed by the anti-Christian left-wing propaganda machine and Europe is dying.

Here are nine statistics about the Muslim population growth in the West which will make you nervous:

1.In Austria in 1971 there were only 22200 Muslims (0.3%),today it is estimated that there are between 400000 and 500000 Muslims living in the country (6%) (link),already some parts of Vienna have a Muslim majority (link)

2.In Belgium in 2008 Islam has become the largest minority religion in the country with 628751 members (link) and the city of Brussels which is the capital of Belgium and the EU has a Muslim population of 25.5% (link) and Brussels will have a Muslim majority in 2030 (link)

3.France prohibits performing census based on religion and race,but it is estimated that the number of Muslims in the country is about 5-10% of the population (link) and the Muslim population of Marseille has reached 30-40% (link) which means it will become a Muslim-majority city in just a few years

4.In Germany the number of Muslims is currently estimated at 4.3 million (5.4%) of the population (link) and it is the largest minority religion in the country and it is estimated that Germany will become a Muslim state in 2050 (link)

5.In 1980 Norway had only 1006 Muslims,but in 2010 Muslims number 98953 (link) and the growth of the Muslim population in Norway which is not a member of the EU has caused a rape epidemic in Oslo where the majority of Muslims live (link)

6.Besides the Chechnya and the regions around (Dagestan and Ingushetia) which have a Muslim majority (link),in Moscow the number of Muslims is estimated at 1.5 million,while the whole country has a population of 20 million Muslims (link)

7.Spain has a Muslim population just over one million,but it will increase in 2030 by 82% (link),in 1992 the Spanish town of Salt had only 5% of Muslims,but in 2010 the Muslim population is 50% and crime has skyrocketed from 156 in 1992 to 5000 in 2010 (link)

8.Sweden has currently 400000 Muslims,while in 1930 only 15 (link),Malmo which is located in Southern Sweden has 25% Muslim population (link),that caused a Jewish exodus from Malmo (link),while the growth of the Muslim population across the country caused a rape epidemic (link).Danish journalist Lars Hedegaard said that Sweden will have a Muslim majority by 2049 (link)

9.Currently in the USA there are 2.6 million Muslims,but their number will double in 2030 when it will be 6.2 million (link)

So will the growth of the Muslim population stop?Of course not because they are migrating in large number to the West and they have a higher fertility rate,but our leaders are doing nothing to stop them,besides that Cameron,Sarkozy and Merkel claim that Multiculturalism failed and that there needs to be a policy change,but there isn’t any political will to stop the Muslim conquest of the West without guns and bombs.The responsibility is of course on the Christian church which is doing next to nothing,instead of evangelizing the Muslim population and Rechristianizing the non-Muslim Europeans which are slowly dying,the Church doesn’t seem to care about this besides that churches across the West are being turned into mosques.

But when the Muslim population grows enough then the real consequences will be seen and it will be a disaster for the non-Muslim Europeans which allowed it to happen

Will Sharia law bring in obligatory paragraph breaks and double line spacing on bullet points?

mikemac1

luckyfrank wrote: »

A time bomb is ticking and no one knows when it is going to explode,


Muslims are colonizing the West.

They said the same in the USA about your ancestors

The Papist Irish and Italians loyal only to Rome and a threat to god fearing Americans

Pherekydes

luckyfrank wrote: »

A time bomb is ticking and no one knows when it is going to explode,but one thing is for sure it will explode.[...] But when the Muslim population grows enough then the real consequences will be seen and it will be a disaster for the non-Muslim Europeans which allowed it to happen

Some of your embedded links are to ultra right wing hate mongering Israeli websites.

I'm sure hate mongering is strongly forbidden...

An example from Israel National news:

Police Report: All Assault Rapists in Oslo Follow Muhammad
Norway’s police issues report with amazing statistic: all assault rapes in Oslo in 2010 were perpetrated by Muslims

By Gil Ronen

Defenders of Islam call it a "religion of peace" but many Norwegian women are learning that Islam is the religion of rape. According to an amazing police report released there this month, every single solved case of assault-rape in the country in 2010 was carried out by a Muslim immigrant.

Doc Ruby

luckyfrank wrote: »

A time bomb is ticking and no one knows when it is going to explode,but one thing is for sure it will explode.One of the reasons why Islam is growing in the West it is because of demography,Western countries have a negative population rate,while Muslim countries have a positive and Muslims are colonizing the West.In the last decades across the Western World Islam is spreading like a wild-fire and everyone knows that with the growth of the Muslim population come problems of a unprecedented magnitude.Riots,crime,rapes,terrorism are just of the few problems which the West faces with Islamization,but also the cultural transformation of West into Islam.More and more we see that traditional Islamic customs are accepted in Western societies and that leads to conflict.Some experts agree that a civil war in Europe is inevitable,unless if the non-Muslim population does something,but time is running out and the options are shrinking.

Islam spreads in the West through migration of Muslims in the West,high fertility rate of Muslims in the West and the conversion of non-Muslims into Islam.This problem is getting worse by each year and the future might be dark for non-Muslims in Europe.It is estimated that across the European continent there are 54 million Muslims (link),but those numbers will double in 2015 (link),so if the non-Muslim population across the continent doesn’t begin the process of Rechristianization which will turn the tide of Muslim population growth,Europe in the next century will become a Muslim continent and will become the extension of the Muslim World which its center is the Middle East.Unfortunately,non-Muslim Europeans doesn’t seem to care about this,too many of them are brainwashed by the anti-Christian left-wing propaganda machine and Europe is dying.

Here are nine statistics about the Muslim population growth in the West which will make you nervous:

1.In Austria in 1971 there were only 22200 Muslims (0.3%),today it is estimated that there are between 400000 and 500000 Muslims living in the country (6%) (link),already some parts of Vienna have a Muslim majority (link)

2.In Belgium in 2008 Islam has become the largest minority religion in the country with 628751 members (link) and the city of Brussels which is the capital of Belgium and the EU has a Muslim population of 25.5% (link) and Brussels will have a Muslim majority in 2030 (link)

3.France prohibits performing census based on religion and race,but it is estimated that the number of Muslims in the country is about 5-10% of the population (link) and the Muslim population of Marseille has reached 30-40% (link) which means it will become a Muslim-majority city in just a few years

4.In Germany the number of Muslims is currently estimated at 4.3 million (5.4%) of the population (link) and it is the largest minority religion in the country and it is estimated that Germany will become a Muslim state in 2050 (link)

5.In 1980 Norway had only 1006 Muslims,but in 2010 Muslims number 98953 (link) and the growth of the Muslim population in Norway which is not a member of the EU has caused a rape epidemic in Oslo where the majority of Muslims live (link)

6.Besides the Chechnya and the regions around (Dagestan and Ingushetia) which have a Muslim majority (link),in Moscow the number of Muslims is estimated at 1.5 million,while the whole country has a population of 20 million Muslims (link)

7.Spain has a Muslim population just over one million,but it will increase in 2030 by 82% (link),in 1992 the Spanish town of Salt had only 5% of Muslims,but in 2010 the Muslim population is 50% and crime has skyrocketed from 156 in 1992 to 5000 in 2010 (link)

8.Sweden has currently 400000 Muslims,while in 1930 only 15 (link),Malmo which is located in Southern Sweden has 25% Muslim population (link),that caused a Jewish exodus from Malmo (link),while the growth of the Muslim population across the country caused a rape epidemic (link).Danish journalist Lars Hedegaard said that Sweden will have a Muslim majority by 2049 (link)

9.Currently in the USA there are 2.6 million Muslims,but their number will double in 2030 when it will be 6.2 million (link)

So will the growth of the Muslim population stop?Of course not because they are migrating in large number to the West and they have a higher fertility rate,but our leaders are doing nothing to stop them,besides that Cameron,Sarkozy and Merkel claim that Multiculturalism failed and that there needs to be a policy change,but there isn’t any political will to stop the Muslim conquest of the West without guns and bombs.The responsibility is of course on the Christian church which is doing next to nothing,instead of evangelizing the Muslim population and Rechristianizing the non-Muslim Europeans which are slowly dying,the Church doesn’t seem to care about this besides that churches across the West are being turned into mosques.

But when the Muslim population grows enough then the real consequences will be seen and it will be a disaster for the non-Muslim Europeans which allowed it to happen

I caught teh muslim off a girl once. It cleared up in a couple of weeks with antibiotics though.

Mentally swap out "Muslim" with "brown people" to see what he's really saying.

Mr Benevolent

luckyfrank wrote: »

Islam isnt a race it's an ideology. radical islam needs to be confronted there is too many thick PC brigaders around

So pull out a gun and go on a shooting spree. Worked in Norway :rolleyes:

jester77

Are immigrants allowed to vote in Irish elections?

I'm not allowed to vote in Germany, except in certain local elections. I don't agree with this as I am paying tax here, so I should have some say in where it goes.

Jester252

Piss not all Muslims are "fundies".
Most that moved to Ireland wanted to get away from that.

Gurgle

Muslim immigrants to europe can be 'managed' (for want of a better word) either by segregation or integration. The same applies equally to immigrants from any culture.

Segregation is what happens by default when significant numbers move from one culture to another, look at the Irish in London / New York / Melbourne over the last few decades. Its a result of lazy government and xenophobic natives with a 'them and us' mentality.

Integration takes more effort, it requires a structured policy that's followed through generations. You will never 100% integrate the first generation of immigrants from a totally different culture, but you can provide an environment where their kids grow up as Irish as our own.

This works itself out in smaller towns, where there isn't a population to support three catholic schools, a protestant school and a muslim school. Likewise, you don't get streets that turn brown / chinese / polish house by house.

It doesn't work so well in larger urban areas without intervention.

Dyr

Sound of Silence wrote: »

I couldn't imagine that the Immigrant population would ever grow to such an extent that it would transform the Political landscape, especially now with our economic woes.

Over 23% of births in this country are to non irish mothers, thats a fair oul whack of the population.

Gurgle

Bambi wrote: »

Over 23% of births in this country are to non irish mothers, thats a fair oul whack of the population.

The babies aren't immigrants, they're Irish. (Never mind the fact that I don't believe your statement. Got anything to support it?)

galah

jester77 wrote: »

Are immigrants allowed to vote in Irish elections?

I'm not allowed to vote in Germany, except in certain local elections. I don't agree with this as I am paying tax here, so I should have some say in where it goes.

nope, we're not. Well, unless they mess up at the electoral register (which happens a lot more than you think). I wonder if you went to vote although technically you're not allowed, but noone spots ya, could you then contest the entire election? just for sh*ts and giggles?

(and for the general discussion: immigrants who are officially allowed to vote are no longer immigrants - they're Irish (through naturalisation or birth in case of immigrant's children), so the whole discussion is a touch pointless...

Toby Take a Bow

Pherekydes wrote: »

Will Sharia law bring in obligatory paragraph breaks and double line spacing on bullet points?

It's not even what he's saying. Taken word-for-word from some right-wing lunatic Croatian blog. One of the posts is a reminder about some battle against the Turks in the 16th century.

Nodin

luckyfrank wrote: »

A time bomb is ticking and no one knows .......... happen

Not this bollocks again......

Try some reality.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2009/07/10/why-fears-of-a-muslim-takeover-are-all-wrong.html

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8189231.stm

Dyr

Gurgle wrote: »

The babies aren't immigrants, they're Irish. (Never mind the fact that I don't believe your statement. Got anything to support it?)

They're only Irish citizen if they qualify for Irish passports which many of them will of course. Won't change the fact that they were born to an immigrant parent or that many of them won't be ethnically Irish but we better not mention the war.

The OP is asking if the immigrant population will ever affect the irish political landscape so if you think that 20% of the population being born to non irish parents won't change this country drastically in the next two decades then you might want to come up for some air. It's the kind of population shift this Island has'nt seen the plantations.

And I could care less if you believe me or not, off you go and check the CSO's website, they might not stick that figure on the front page though.

Nodin

Bambi wrote: »

They're only Irish citizen if they qualify for Irish passports which many of them will of course. Won't change the fact that they were born to an immigrant parent or that many of them won't be ethnically Irish but we better not mention the war.

If it wasn't for people with your attitude, there wouldn't be a "war".

mikemac1

dpqt wrote: »

the votes of future Eastern European/ Asian/ African immigrants and their children's votes having an affect on our political system?

Balbriggan/Little Africa

Can't see anything strange about their town council
http://www.balbriggan.ie/index.php?option=com_electedmembers&Itemid=39

No change yet, maybe they aren't voting

Dyr

Nodin wrote: »

If it wasn't for people with your attitude, there wouldn't be a "war".

What attitude would that be Nodin.

prinz

Immigration will dramatically change the Irish political landscape will it?

DeV was what half Cuban born in America..Fianna Fáil? Remember Dr Bhamjee Labour TD? Leo Varadkar Fine Gael?

af_thefragile

Gurgle wrote: »

Muslim immigrants to europe can be 'managed' (for want of a better word) either by segregation or integration. The same applies equally to immigrants from any culture.

Segregation is what happens by default when significant numbers move from one culture to another, look at the Irish in London / New York / Melbourne over the last few decades. Its a result of lazy government and xenophobic natives with a 'them and us' mentality.

Integration takes more effort, it requires a structured policy that's followed through generations. You will never 100% integrate the first generation of immigrants from a totally different culture, but you can provide an environment where their kids grow up as Irish as our own.

This works itself out in smaller towns, where there isn't a population to support three catholic schools, a protestant school and a muslim school. Likewise, you don't get streets that turn brown / chinese / polish house by house.

It doesn't work so well in larger urban areas without intervention.

I think the situation in Ireland is pretty good. Most muslims in Ireland are working professionals and they're fairly well integrated into the society. When was the last time you saw muslims rioting in Ireland?

The whole "muslims are taking over and are a threat to the wellbeing of society!!!" is a more British and French problem as they had political policies (France still has thanks to righty Sarkozy) where the muslim mostly immigrant population was seggregated from the society leading to muslim ghettos. And where there are ghettos, there will be social problems.

Thankfully this hasn't happend in Ireland hence the situation is pretty good here. No one complains when they're treated by a muslim doctor in a hospital now do they?

mike65

The Irish talking about bleeding foreigners breeding - you couldn't make it up.

Nodin

Bambi wrote: »

What attitude would that be Nodin.

Don't play dumb.

Dr Turk Turkelton

af_thefragile wrote: »

^That's nothing more than scaremongering.

Statistics can't predict the future.

Statistically speaking this is probably the dumbest post in the entire Internet.

Congrats took a special kind of dumb to win that award.

celtictiger32

luckyfrank wrote: »

Half the population of brussles is muslim, there's a political party there with growing support thats calling for sharia law, the islamification of europe is happening

wasnt there a section of the muslim community in ireland looking to implement sharia law for all muslims in ireland.

Ellis Dee wrote: »

Better eat all the rashers you can while you still can.:):):):)

dont even joke about that my world would end without me rasher sambos

af_thefragile

Cuchulainn1. wrote: »

Statistically speaking this is probably the dumbest post in the entire Internet.

Congrats took a special kind of dumb to win that award.

Can statistics predict wars, natural disasters, significant social events?
Could statistics have predicted when the Cold War would end or 9/11 or the Arab uprising or the Japan tsunami?

There are too many variables to put all your faith on numbers and their predictions.

You seem to put too much faith in numbers there...

Nodin

celtictiger32 wrote: »

wasnt there a section of the muslim community in ireland looking to implement sharia law for all muslims in ireland.

One guy and his "organisation". Liam Egan aka whatever he calls himself now. If you can call him, his mate and his missus "a section of the muslim commuinty", you're correct.

Sappa

Maybe it wouldn't be a bad thing,the Muslims would ban alcohol making us mote productive and saving billions in health services,criminals would lose a few fingers or arms reducing crime and the roads would be a lot safer with no women allowed to drive

Dyr

mike65 wrote: »

The Irish talking about bleeding foreigners breeding - you couldn't make it up.

A Classic bleedin fordiners thread denial card 4 in a series of 20:
"who are we to talk?"


So far I've got:
2: "It's not happening"
7: "So what if it's happening you're just racist"
and
and two 14's "We don't deserve any better"

I'll swap a 14 for an 18 (Immigrants work harder/Are middle class/don't wear pyjamas) if anyone has one to spare.

prinz

Nodin wrote: »

One guy and his "organisation". Liam Egan aka whatever he calls himself now..

Azzam al-Britani Irelandi.