odlums v flahavans

hughjohn

Is odlums porridge Irish? Reason being that on the Flahavans bag , Ireland or Irish appears 5or 6 times , whereas on the odlums bag , not once!!

I know which one I am buying from now on.

Pure Sound

Seems to be Irish

The Hill Billy

Odlums products are "Guaranteed Irish" afaik.

melissao

whoever post that saying odlums are not irish is a ****ing idiot. odlums are fully irish.and odlums are way nicer than flahavans

The Hill Billy

Lose the attitude if you wish to continue posting here.

tHB

huskerdu

melissao wrote: »

whoever post that saying odlums are not irish is a ****ing idiot. odlums are fully irish.and odlums are way nicer than flahavans

Its a legitimate question.

Many brands that used to manufactured in Ireland and are associated with Ireland, are no longer irish.

melissao

but i do know for a fact that odlums are irish

emeraldstar

Melissa, you seem to be taking this incredibly personally. No one said they weren't Irish. Flahavans, Odlums, both Irish, both fine. Relax.

Mr Simpson

hughjohn wrote: »

Is odlums porridge Irish? Reason being that on the Flahavans bag , Ireland or Irish appears 5or 6 times , whereas on the odlums bag , not once!!

I know which one I am buying from now on.

Both are Irish, but Flahavans are part of the 'Love Irish Food' Scheme, which is why they have the big green logo all over their packaging.

hughjohn

melissao wrote: »

whoever post that saying odlums are not irish is a ****ing idiot. odlums are fully irish.and odlums are way nicer than flahavans

Of course this post says more about you than it does about me.

death1234567

hughjohn wrote: »

Of course this post says more about you than it does about me.

Yeah, it says she works for Odlums.

hughjohn

huskerdu wrote: »

Its a legitimate question.

Many brands that used to manufactured in Ireland and are associated with Ireland, are no longer irish.

Yes, thank you.
We have to be very careful here." Marketing men" are very clever at obscuring truth.
A company could be Irish owned and operated and marketed as 100% irish and still use a foreign product . Example , you can buy white sugar in the same old siucra bags as always yet most of us know the Irish sugar industry was closed down 5 or 6 years ago so it is not Irish sugar.
Similarly, Thai chicken was coated in breadcrumbs over here and sold as Irish chicken. That was perfectly legal but totally misleading.
Boyne valley honey has "a blend of EU and non EU honeys" on the rear label in very small print.

At the time of my OP I had a Flahavans and Odlums bag in front of me. Flahavans clearly stated that it was made with 100% Irish oats, Odlums did not , and so opens up the possibility that yes it is an Irish company but maybe they are using SOME imported oats and blending it.

If this is not the case ,they should re-design their labels to be more informative

The Hill Billy

A warning has already been given. Get back on-topic please.

tHB

rubadub

mmcn90 wrote: »

Both are Irish, but Flahavans are part of the 'Love Irish Food' Scheme, which is why they have the big green logo all over their packaging.

This is not a guarantee of where they source the oats though. I cannot find anything online to confirm it is only 100% Irish oats they use, but a few articles make me think they probably don't.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/business/farming/odlums-mill-closure-will-increase-bread-flour-imports-183124.html

The company has stated that there is significant excess milling capacity in the UK, from which flour is imported into the Irish market at prices with which Odlums cannot compete.

The company continues to produce retail and "at home" baking products in its mill in Portarlington, where locally grown milling wheat remains the major source of wheat for all the products.

'major' probably legally being 51%+

http://www.loveirishfood.ie/members/become-a-member/

2) Primary Ingredients must be sourced from Ireland where possible.

Some ingredients for Irish Food and Drink Brands are not grown in Ireland e.g. we do not grow tea leaves, oranges, cocoa beans, etc so these ingredients must be imported. A brand can still be eligible when its ingredients are imported as long as these ingredients cannot be sourced from ROI.

Some ingredients are only available seasonally in the ROI, or supplies may be limited and therefore it may be necessary to import replacement/additional supplies.

I saw on the news only 20% of wheat was harvested this year, while usually it is 80%. They could argue it is not a viable crop anymore, or has too limited a supply, like bewleys are in the loveirishfood scheme but do not grow coffee beans.

Cardinal Richelieu

I can't see why both can't be 100% Irish Oats, one of the easier cereal crops to grow in the Irish Climate.

rubadub

Cardinal Richelieu wrote: »

one of the easier cereal crops to grow in the Irish Climate.

Is it suited to porridge oats though. I think lads in the beer forum were saying most, or a lot, of the barley used in breweries here is imported. Some other grain might be slightly more profitable so they go for that.

Cardinal Richelieu

rubadub wrote: »

Is it suited to porridge oats though. I think lads in the beer forum were saying most, or a lot, of the barley used in breweries here is imported. Some other grain might be slightly more profitable so they go for that.

Oats are Oats. I presume it is since porridge can be considered a local food of Ireland/Scotland.

Flahavans.ie

The cultivation of oats is particularly suited to Ireland's climatic conditions and therefore oatmeal became a staple food of the Irish from prehistoric times until the seventeenth century. Vast quantities of oatmeal were consumed in the form of porridge or stirabout (a thick mixture).

With the introduction of the potato in the late sixteenth century, the prevalence of oatmeal porridge declined as potatoes superseded oats as the staple diet and only in times of poor potato harvest did it temporarily regain its pre-potato status. However, despite the prevalence of the potato, oats maintained a strong foothold in the national diet until well into the late nineteenth century.

But with the looseness of Guaranteed Irish and Love Irish marketing symbols and the international commodities market it might make economic sense to import cheaper Oats from abroad at times. Most food companies that use commodities juggle between different suppliers to keep costs down.

hughjohn

Cardinal Richelieu wrote: »

Flahavans.ie


But with the looseness of Guaranteed Irish and Love Irish marketing symbols and the international commodities market it might make economic sense to import cheaper Oats from abroad at times. Most food companies that use commodities juggle between different suppliers to keep costs down.

It's slowly beginning to dawn on me that these guaranteed irish and love irish food schemes are a bit of a con to be used when it suits/at manufacturers discretion, so maybe it doesn't even matter....just buy what you like and to hell with where it comes from.Sure arent we all europeans anyway?
I hear Romanian oats are top class.

Cardinal Richelieu

hughjohn wrote: »

It's slowly beginning to dawn on me that these guaranteed irish and love irish food schemes are a bit of a con to be used when it suits/at manufacturers discretion, so maybe it doesn't even matter....just buy what you like and to hell with where it comes from.Sure arent we all europeans anyway?
I hear Romanian oats are top class.

They are flawed to begin with, they are private marketing brands so its in their interest to have the Love Irish and Guaranteed Irish brand on as many members products as possible because it generates revenue for them. As a food manufacturer you could shop around and pick the weakest criteria that suits you. I rather see myself a non profit independent organisation with tighter standards that actually conducts unannounced audits on the food manufacturers to ensure the products produced are Irish. That won't ever happen do.

sbsquarepants

Flahavans tastes way better.
I'm not quite sure how, afaik porridge has only 1 ingredient! But flahavans wins for me

the beer revolu

I use Flahavan's Organic jumbo oats - Odlum's don't do this.

vrobot

Tried Flahavan's today after having Odlums for a while and the Flahavan's seem to have an edge so gonna stick with them. Their oats made really really nice porridge.

KTRIC

Both are Shamrock foods

pastorbarrett

As far as I know, Flahavans organic oats are produced on the Ballard organic farm by Kilbeggan Organic Foods in Co. Westmeath. I'm not certain, but I'd wager they are then sent to Tipperary for milling, packaging. In any case, they are feckin' delish! Toasted almonds, some real honey, whole milk, cinnamon...change your pants people.

Marcusm

Try these instead; I was introduced to them in Hong Kong off all places.

http://www.mccanns.ie/p_SteelCut.html

rubadub

Marcusm wrote: »

Try these instead; I was introduced to them in Hong Kong off all places.

http://www.mccanns.ie/p_SteelCut.html

Mc Canns are owned by odlums, the term steel cut is used in the US, over here its called pinhead oats.

KTRIC

I started eating Kavanaghs Porridge oats from Aldi a couple of months ago 1.38 for 1.5 kilos and they taste great, does anyone know who makes them ?

rubadub

This is from 2011, doesn't say oats but odlums do/did aldi flour so could well do oats. A trick is to pick up 2 products side by side and compare all the nutritional information values, if they are identical then the products might be. They might still have different grades with identical info though.

MrsD007 wrote: »

More and more people are turning to own brands at the moment, here is a list of the companies who make supermarket own brand products.


Tesco Own brands

They say that 100 Irish companies produce some 2,000 own brand Tesco products. 98% of their customers purchase at least one own brand as part of weekly shop. Own brand household cleaning account for 63% of sales in that category.

Who makes Tesco own brand?

Glanbia – Tesco milk; Tesco butter; Tesco fromage frais
Mannings bakery (Dublin) – Tesco apple tarts, crumble, bakewell tart and other cakes
Hilton Foods (Drogheda) – Tesco Finest sausages, chorizo sausages, Tesco Finest Pork and Lamb products.
Brogan’s Bakery (Galway) – Tesco muffins
Country Crest (Lucan); Tesco roosters, kerrs pink, baby potatoes, onions, shallots and more veg.
Gem Pack Foods Ltd – Tesco rice, sugar, currants, sultanas, raisins, almonds, hazelnuts, walnut pieces, sunflower seeds, pumpkin seeds etc,
Catron Bros (Cavan / Dublin) – Tesco chicken ranges
P Mulrine & sons (Donegal) – Tesco juices (ambient and chilled).
Both Irish Pride and Bachelors also make some Tesco label products.

Superquinn

Over 2,000 own brand products are available; 95% of the fresh own label products are Irish, while over 75% of grocery own label products are sourced from Irish suppliers/producers, 100% Irish chicken only used in their ready meals. They say they have seen a 20% increase in sales on own label products in 2010 compared to 2009.

Who makes Superquinn own brand?

Johnston Mooney & O’Brien - Essentials bread
Pat the Baker - Superquinn core bread
Connacht Gold - butter and cream
Bewley’s - own label core tea
Seery’s, Scott’s, Sam’s Cookies, and Fusco’s - all supply cakes for Superquinn Essentials range
Irish Yogurts (Clonakilty, Co Cork)- produce Essentials yogurts
Dublin based Donnellys - supply all fruit and vegetables
Wonderfoods (Dublin) - supply pre-pack salads and prepared vegetables
Country Crest based in Lusk - produce Superquinn own label ready meals using locally grown ingredients
Bombay Pantry based in Dublin - produce ethnic convenience meals under Superquinn own label

Aldi

Over 45% of all grocery sales at Aldi are generated on products bought from Irish suppliers, producers and manufacturers.
Who makes Aldi products?
Bewleys / Robert Roberts – all coffees and teas
Natures Isle – fresh poultry, Irish Angus beef, pork, lamb, all sourced from RoI farms and Bord Bia certified.
Irish Yogurts / Town of Monaghan Co-op / the Different Dairy Company – yogurts
Odlums – flour

Lidl

Lidl say they are “committed to using as many indigenous suppliers as possible in the production of its own brand products.”
Pat the Baker - granary bread and scones
Johnston Mooney & O Brien - hot dog rolls and burger buns
Olhausen – Premium pork sausages
Irish Yogurts (Clonakilty) – Premium yogurts
Town of Monaghan – Irish creamery butter
Liffey Meats (Cavan) – fresh beef
Cooley Distillery – whiskey
Oakpark Foods (Tipperary) – Glensallagh streaky bacon
Donegal Creameries – 1 litre milk carton
Seerys (Carlow)– triple chocolate cake and luxury lemon cake
Glenpatrick – Flavoured water
Begleys (Dublin) – fresh fruit and veg
The Scullery – relish (small supplier, relishes developed with Lidl)

SuperValu

SuperValu have 1,700 own brand products, over 30% of these are Irish.
Who makes SuperValu own brand?
Glenisk – organic yogurts
Follain (Co Cork) – SV Supreme jam, cranberry sauce, apple chutney, wholegrain mustard, relishes.
Kelkin – SV Muesli
Bandon Vale – cheese blocks
Mulrines – SV ketchup
Seerys (Carlow)– tea brack and brownie slices
Silver Pail (Fermoy, Co Cork)– Supreme ice creams
Lakeland Dairies (Cavan) – SuperValu Ice cream 1lt tubs
Riverview Eggs, Cork, Valley View Eggs, Bandon, Co. Cork, Clonarn Clover, Co. Meath and Nest Box Egg Co, Monaghan – SV eggs
Carty meats (Athlone)– SV rasher range
Mallons (Monaghan)– SV sausages
Countrystyle (Co Kilkenny) – SV puddings
Kepak – frozen burgers
Prestige Foods (Kerry) – trifle range
Taravale (Naas)– Salads such as coleslaw etc
Sunshine juice (Carlow)– Supreme freshly squeezed juice
JDS Foods (Cork) – SV spreads / margarine
Cashel – SV speciality cheeses

Centra

Centra have 700 own brand products available and 35% of their own brand products are Irish made. They say they use Irish suppliers for their fresh produce; all meat is 100% Irish; 67% of fruit and veg and 75% of dairy.

Who makes Centra products?
Irish Yogurts (Clonakilty)– Centra luxury yoghurts
McEvoy Family Foods (Co Tipperary) - Chilled Soup Range
Brady Family (Co Kildare) – deli style meats
Dunhill Cuisine (Waterford)– ready made meals i.e. cottage pie / lasagne
Mulrines (Donegal)– Centra juice range
Kerry Freshways – pre-packed sandwiches
North Cork co-op – Centra butter
Blenders (Dublin)- Mayonnaise

Dunnes

Overall over 75% of Dunnes fresh own label is sourced in Ireland; 100% fresh beef, chicken , lamb, pork is Irish; 97% of our bakery lines are Irish made ; 91% of all potatoes are Irish and 100% fresh fish from Irish suppliers / waters.
Olhausen - Dunnes Sausages
Batchelors - baked beans and peas
Mulrines - juice
Blenders - pasta sauces
Tendermeats (dedicated meat plant) - All Dunnes meat is controlled from farm to shelf via this plant
Some of Dunnes fresh own label suppliers
Natural Dairies Ltd.
Riverview Eggs Ltd.
The Nest Box Egg Co.
Annalitten Farm Foods Ltd.
Nevilles Bakery Dublin Ltd.
Johnson Mooney & O'Brien
Pat the Baker
Matt Reilly Cakes Ltd.
Staffords Bakery Ltd.
Brogans Bakery
P McCloskey & Sons Ltd.
Scotts Bakery Ltd.
William Carr & Sons Ltd.
H.J. Nolan (Dublin) Ltd.
Wrights of Howth
Dunns Seafare Ltd.
Oceanpath
Galway Bay Seafoods Ltd.

Another way of checking (for the super-sleuths!)
This only applies to meat and diary products: Irrespective of the brand, the label will have an EU approval number identifying the final processing plant. The Department of Agriculture publishes a list of approved plants for Ireland on its website.
This label identifies only the final stage of processing not the actual origin of the meat or dairy product.
For example, if you’re looking at two cartons of milk or a packet of rashers, one branded, one own brand, look at the origin code on the label (an oval with IE, a number and EC) or on the cap you may find, for instance, the number 1405 on both products. This identifies the production plant as being the same.

List compiled by Tina Leonard of the Pat Kenny Radio Show

cluainard

Flahavans harvest their oats from farmers in Ireland. They are the only oat mill operating in the Republic of Ireland. Odlum, however, get their oats from Scotland. Hence the lack of source information on their packets. Flahavan porridge has the lowest fat rate of any porridge on the market and is now being promoted by the Korean Government in a health drive against obesity. Steel cut oats are favored by the Koreans as they have a rice like look about them when cooked.

Jezek

cluainard wrote: »

Flahavans harvest their oats from farmers in Ireland. They are the only oat mill operating in the Republic of Ireland. Odlum, however, get their oats from Scotland. Hence the lack of source information on their packets. Flahavan porridge has the lowest fat rate of any porridge on the market and is now being promoted by the Korean Government in a health drive against obesity. Steel cut oats are favored by the Koreans as they have a rice like look about them when cooked.

sources ? Are you affiliated with Flanavan?

Tom Dunne

cluainard wrote: »

Flahavans harvest their oats from farmers in Ireland. They are the only oat mill operating in the Republic of Ireland. Odlum, however, get their oats from Scotland. Hence the lack of source information on their packets. Flahavan porridge has the lowest fat rate of any porridge on the market and is now being promoted by the Korean Government in a health drive against obesity. Steel cut oats are favored by the Koreans as they have a rice like look about them when cooked.

cluainard - please declare your interests here and how you are connected to Flahavans.