More Revenue Shenanigans from Mick Wallace

expectationlost

hyperborean wrote: »

As an aside, when he gets forced out who is front runner for the seat in his constituancy?

well the top names in the last election who didn't get in were ff sean connick and fg michael darcy jnr

http://electionsireland.org/result.cfm?election=2011&cons=232

expectationlost

Godge wrote: »

ULA's policies on economics, social welfare, taxation and Europe are all off the wall. The only credit I was prepared to give them was in relation to ethics issues. Up until Mick Wallace, that is.

It is completely mind-boggling to hear the likes of Clare Daly and Joe Higgins defending a capitalist developer who cheated the taxman, didn't pay into ordinary worker's pension funds, left unfinished housing estates behind him and did his share of messing up the bank system. It is not like he lived the life of an ordinary Joe with his apartments in Turin (with Italian soccer season tickets) and Nice (to be fair, he has sold this one) and his vineyard which he sold to his brother in lieu of money owed to his brother and for which he gets full use and his dining with Clare Daly in upmarket restaurants like One Pico (according to newspaper reports today). To cap it all, when many people in the country are struggling every day to pay the bills thanks to the likes of him destroying the country, he is able to pack his bags and fly off to Poland to see the Boys in Green. What a neck it must be said.

Well, the last of my little respect for ULA is gone. Can't condemn one of their own. SF are nearly as bad, haven't heard a word from them. FF have kept silent too but they have too many secrets in their cupboards. Fair play to Labour and FG and to Sean Barrett who are quite rightly raising this issue to bring this man to justice.

He should serve a jail sentence like that other tax dodger did earlier this year.

mick wallace isn't in the ULA

The Waltzing Consumer

expectationlost wrote: »

mick wallace isn't in the ULA

The ULA need to apply the same pressure and standards to their own technical group as they would to Government parties.

The ULA also do not differentiate between FG and LAB, FF and Greens in their condemnation of other controversial issues.

Should they be exempt from this situation because it is closer to their front step? This is when standards should be highest and they have failed miserably. We all know its easy to be outraged at other parties, that is easy, it is a real and honorable person who can hold those same standards to those closer to them, that's the real test.

expectationlost

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

The ULA need to apply the same pressure and standards to their own technical group as they would to Government parties.

The ULA also do not differentiate between FG and LAB, FF and Greens in their condemnation of other controversial issues.

Should they be exempt from this situation because it is closer to their front step? This is when standards should be highest and they have failed miserably. We all know its easy to be outraged at other parties, that is easy, it is a real and honorable person who can hold those same standards to those closer to them, that's the real test.

the ula is the ula and dail technical group is the dail technical group, mick wallace is an independent td

The Waltzing Consumer

expectationlost wrote: »

the ula is the ula and dail technical group is the dail technical group, mick wallace is an independent td

Put Mick Wallace as in an Independent TD in the coalition and you would see a different reaction. You know it, I know it.

You are not answering my main points and that speaks volumes.

gerryo777

Vizzy wrote: »

Saw Higgins on the news just now and (with a bit of paraphrasing) this is what he said.
"What Mick Wallace has done is wrong,unlawful and reprehensible.He should now pay back any money owed immediately from company assets if necessary"

Well thats great Joe.Thanks for being so decisive and condemning it so thoroughly.

Out of interest, apart from the above what would you like higgins to do?

expectationlost

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Put Mick Wallace as in an Independent TD in the coalition and you would see a different reaction. You know it, I know it.

You are not answering my main points and that speaks volumes.

there are a lot of people going round with the impression mick wallace is in the ULA I was just correcting that.

and a dail technical group is not an equivalent to a party.

independents should allowed to be independent so they don't have to answer for anyone else or have anyone else answer for them.

gerryo777

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

Agree. Along with this latest escapade, we have:

SF = Priory Hall & Ink cartridge expenses & TD expenses
Socialist Party = Like giving out about lack of real democracy, don't mind getting an absolute nobody who was never voted in, to replace Joe Higgins as a MEP
ULA = Have a healthy appetite for TD expenses
Occupy Dame Street = Side with millionaire landlords after evictions

They are all as bad as Gov. Parties and Greens.

It's all about "justifying" what their colleagues do yet if it is any other party or group, they want them sent to hell.

All in the game.

Why don't we just get rid of all politicians in Ireland and let merkel run the place?

We've shown time and time again that we cannot elect decent, honest people to govern.

It's as much the electorate's fault as it is the chancers who run for office.

Seems to me that Ireland thrives on corruption, law breaking, double standards and cute hoorism, it's never been any different so why are we all so surprised?

Vizzy

gerryo777 wrote: »

Out of interest, apart from the above what would you like higgins to do?

I would like him to grow a pair( or even a concience) and call for Wallace to be prosecuted.
He even has the speech already written from his incessant bleating about wrongdoing by everone in all the mainstream parties

Majesticzebras

gerryo777 wrote: »

Out of interest, apart from the above what would you like higgins to do?

Listen to a podcast of Pat Kenny...not sure he felt that way a few hours before he was televised.....
What would we like Higgins to do? Be honest for a start ??????? (coherent is a step too far, methinks!!!)

plasmaguy

Sounds like there is a lot of tribal politics going on with this issue and members of the technical group of which Wallace is a member defending him, well some of them are.

Unfortunately we live at a time when rarely do people condemn the actions of others unequivically, example Vincent Browne last night who tried to muddy the waters.

I hope Wallace enjoys the Euros, he probably won't stop to think about the implications of his and his types actions on this country.

All these developers are/were the same. Out to make a fast buck and when their money is made and time to pay some of it back to the state or creditors, they declare bankrupcy.

I hope he is made a bankrupt and kicked out of the Dail.

gerryo777

Majesticzebras wrote: »

Listen to a podcast of Pat Kenny...not sure he felt that way a few hours before he was televised.....
What would we like Higgins to do? Be honest for a start ??????? (coherent is a step too far, methinks!!!)

I was listening to that ok, but sure higgins is a waffler, always has been.
Why would you take him seriously now if he 'grows a pair' as another poster put it and called for wallace to resign / be prosecuted?

Godge

expectationlost wrote: »

mick wallace isn't in the ULA

I never said he was.

expectationlost wrote: »

the ula is the ula and dail technical group is the dail technical group, mick wallace is an independent td

All of that is true but you left out one important bit, Mick Wallace is in the technical group and ULA are in the technical group. If Joe Higgins has any principles, then he will leave the technical group in protest at Wallace's membership. Of course, if Joe Higgins is more interested in the Dail time, money, prestige and privileges that being in the technical group brings, then he will stay in it.

Nice little test for Ordinary Joe. Does he stay in the cosy group or actually stand up for his principles and throw Wallace out or if that is not possible resign from the technical group. It is easy for Joe to shout and roar from the sidelines at others but when faced with his first ever ethical dilemna he appears to be flunking it.

Listen Joe, expel him, leave the group or else face up to the fact that you are no better than FF.

P.S. Of course, he would also have to tell Clare not to go for long lunches with Mick in the One Pico restaurant

charlemont

Have the Gardaí done anything about him yet ?

The Waltzing Consumer

expectationlost wrote: »

there are a lot of people going round with the impression mick wallace is in the ULA I was just correcting that.

and a dail technical group is not an equivalent to a party.

independents should allowed to be independent so they don't have to answer for anyone else or have anyone else answer for them.

I know he is not in the ULA, I don't think people are actually suggesting that, but this is the first real test for them to show their standards with this issue, and they have failed. How can they make any claims about banks, developers when they can't condemn a self-confessed tax cheat who doubles his own salary, ripped off pensions of his workers and is in their technical group.

The only thing I can say about your independent comment is....Michael Lowry

Vizzy

charlemont wrote: »

Have the Gardaí done anything about him yet ?

Yeah they deported him to Poland but the tecnical group have launched a campaign and they hope to get him back in about 3 weeks

True story.

The Waltzing Consumer

Vizzy wrote: »

Yeah they deported him to Poland but the tecnical group have launched a campaign and they hope to get him back in about 3 weeks

True story.

The Occupy movement are organising their supplies as we speak to make sure Mick does not have to pay his taxes and will keep his job.

They don't think it is fair that a man making nearly 100k a year should have to pay anything back.

True story.

Majesticzebras

gerryo777 wrote: »

I was listening to that ok, but sure higgins is a waffler, always has been.
Why would you take him seriously now if he 'grows a pair' as another poster put it and called for wallace to resign / be prosecuted?

Aggggggghhhhhh! Yours is THE mentality that shocks........ah 'sure Higgins is a waffler, always has been'....that ****e!
NO....I wouldn't take him seriously.....if he could string a coherent sentence together, it would be a start........
However, I do think that SOMEONE needs to stand up for the ordinary person, and as Mr. Higgins was elected to do something like that.........would be reassuring to feel he could take a (somewhat coherent) stance against wrongdoing.........

charlemont

Vizzy wrote: »

Yeah they deported him to Poland but the tecnical group have launched a campaign and they hope to get him back in about 3 weeks

True story.

I haven't read much into Mr Wallace's affairs but my understanding is that he has clearly committed serious tax/business offences. I'v noticed anytime MP's in Britain do wrong they generally resign and the police get involved in any wrongdoing, But no not here.

expectationlost

The Waltzing Consumer wrote: »

How can they make any claims about banks, developers when they can't condemn a self-confessed tax cheat who doubles his own salary, ripped off pensions of his workers and is in their technical group.

they have done so

The Waltzing Consumer

expectationlost wrote: »

they have done so

They have given a FF/FG/LAB "condemning", one that would never satisfy them for any Government TD. You know it, I know it.

gerryo777

Majesticzebras wrote: »

Aggggggghhhhhh! Yours is THE mentality that shocks........ah 'sure Higgins is a waffler, always has been'....that ****e!
NO....I wouldn't take him seriously.....if he could string a coherent sentence together, it would be a start........
However, I do think that SOMEONE needs to stand up for the ordinary person, and as Mr. Higgins was elected to do something like that.........would be reassuring to feel he could take a (somewhat coherent) stance against wrongdoing.........

I refer you to my post no 159.

BTW, why would you think anyone in the dail would stand up for the 'ordinary' person?
The disconnect between politicians and the electorate is glaringly obvious.

Majesticzebras

gerryo777 wrote: »

I refer you to my post no 159.
That is all.

Humble pie being eaten......apologies! Distracted by Russia and Croatia...should focus!
Do agree with you on firing the lot of them though.

The Waltzing Consumer

Majesticzebras wrote: »

Humble pie being eaten......apologies! Distracted by Russia and Croatia...should focus!
Do agree with you on firing the lot of them though.

Russia and Czech Republic even? :P

expectationlost

Godge wrote: »

I never said he was.



All of that is true but you left out one important bit, Mick Wallace is in the technical group and ULA are in the technical group. If Joe Higgins has any principles, then he will leave the technical group in protest at Wallace's membership. Of course, if Joe Higgins is more interested in the Dail time, money, prestige and privileges that being in the technical group brings, then he will stay in it.

Nice little test for Ordinary Joe. Does he stay in the cosy group or actually stand up for his principles and throw Wallace out or if that is not possible resign from the technical group. It is easy for Joe to shout and roar from the sidelines at others but when faced with his first ever ethical dilemna he appears to be flunking it.

Listen Joe, expel him, leave the group or else face up to the fact that you are no better than FF.

you do know that shane ross is in the technical group too... but i guess the question is would they have let michael lowry into the technical group probably not now..... but im reading that joe higgins was in a technical group with lowry, that I presume would been after he was found out but before the tribunal reported on him.

gerryo777

Majesticzebras wrote: »

Humble pie being eaten......apologies! Distracted by Russia and Croatia...should focus!
Do agree with you on firing the lot of them though.

Russia look good.:)

Majesticzebras

So true......distracted by politics!! Apologies.....just jealous of Mick in Poznan:cool:

Godge

expectationlost wrote: »

you do know that shane ross is in the technical group too... but i guess the question is would they have let michael lowry into the technical group probably not..... im reading that joe higgins was in a technical group with lowry, that I presume would been after he was found out but before the tribunal reported on him.

That would just make things worse. Instead of Joe being a once-off hypocrite, then he would be a consistent hypocrite, using tax dodgers to ensure he gets more money and more speaking time while at the same time pretending to condemn such activity.

I do not understand how people fail to get it. if Joe refuses to condemn Mick Wallace, then he has no mandate to condemn any other tax-dodging developer or TD. Should keep him quiet for a while.

expectationlost

Godge wrote: »

That would just make things worse. Instead of Joe being a once-off hypocrite, then he would be a consistent hypocrite, using tax dodgers to ensure he gets more money and more speaking time while at the same time pretending to condemn such activity.

I do not understand how people fail to get it. if Joe refuses to condemn Mick Wallace, then he has no mandate to condemn any other tax-dodging developer or TD. Should keep him quiet for a while.

ITS A TECHNICAL GROUP!

Vizzy

Godge wrote: »

. Should keep him quiet for a while.

.......but it wont :rolleyes:

This is the stuff that the media was invented for.
He'll be on every show in the country

Godge

expectationlost wrote: »

ITS A TECHNICAL GROUP!

Yes, and it is a technical group that can be broken up and reformed with a smaller number of members, it is a technical group that some can resign from in disgust at the action of others etc. Unless you want to hold on to the privileges of being in a technical group at the expense of your principles.

Over to Joe, does he have the principles or is he a populist FF politician in disguise?

expectationlost

the committee of the dail is meeting, maybe they don't want to repeat what dan boyle did by prejudging ivor callely and thus disqualifying himself for the senate committe which then proceeded to over-reach and allowed ivor to overturn their ruling in court, which just made a fool of them all. because this all happened before he was a td the dail probably wont be able to do anything, he should resign, he said he told us that he had had to make payments to revenue before he was elected but i still can't find him saying that during the campaign.

Godge

expectationlost wrote: »

the committee of the dail is meeting, maybe they don't want to repeat what dan boyle did by prejudging ivor callely and thus disqualifying himself for the senate committe which then proceeded to over-reach and allowed ivor to overturn their ruling in court, which just made a fool of them all. because this all happened before he was a td the dail probably wont be able to do anything, he should resign, he said he told us that he had had to make payments to revenue before he was elected but i still can't find him saying that during the campaign.

The question is why aren't the technical group meeting to expel him or reform without him?

If it was FG or Labour, they would be meeting tonight to expel him. But they have higher standards than Joe Higgins or Richard Boy-Wonder.

Paddy De Plasterer

rodento wrote: »

Just not a case of him not paying his tax, its a case of him stealing Vat that people had paid for their properties and that money was never his in the first place.

Pure theft, he should be charged with as crime

exactly, its the same as paying a fine at your local garda station and the garda trousering it. It was never Wallace's money in first place. Its a crime and garda must investigate it.

expectationlost

Godge wrote: »

The question is why aren't the technical group meeting to expel him or reform without him?

If it was FG or Labour, they would be meeting tonight to expel him. But they have higher standards than Joe Higgins or Richard Boy-Wonder.

you keep comparing the technical group with a party, it isn't a party or equivalent.

lucozader

The man is a corrupt crook and has a total brass neck. He refuses to resign despite his name being muck. He has feathered his own nest.

Surely he is the typical character that would fit in at Finna Fail. Sounds like he has the right stuff to be a future Fianna Fail leader.

Vizzy

lucozader wrote: »

The man is a corrupt crook and has a total brass neck. He refuses to resign despite his name being muck. mick He has feathered his own nest.

Surely he is the typical character that would fit in at Finna Fail. Sounds like he has the right stuff to be a future Fianna Fail leader.

FYP

Godge

expectationlost wrote: »

you keep comparing the technical group with a party, it isn't a party or equivalent.

No, you are missing the point.

A party is more coherent and you have to go through procedures etc. to expel, the technical group could just disband and reform without Mick Wallace, just like that, overnight. There are independent TDs who are not in the technical group, he would just be like them. But they are shirking it.

They are just afraid to condemn and expel him because they have all become friends just like FF used to operate.

michael Lowry is not a member of the technical group and I don't think they would welcome him. If they really support Mick Wallace then they should have no problem with Mr. Lowry. Anything else would make them hypocrites.

Stop defending the indefensible.

jmayo

expectationlost wrote: »

the ula is the ula and dail technical group is the dail technical group, mick wallace is an independent td

Well the ULA (daly and higgins) and People Before Taxes have said what he did was wrong but then waffled when asked if he should resign.

Now I bet if we we look back through their opinions, their rants, their statements, their interviews I bet you will find they have demanded, nay bayed, for the resignation of a host of politicans over in the major parties.

This just shows that when it comes closer to home they are no different form those they have lambasted in the past.

Up to now I respected higgins as someone of some principle, even if I thought his actual politics and believes were complete sh**e.

From yesterday I have lost that respect.
The man has no principles and the integrity he traded on has gone when he can't actually say that a tax cheat to the tune of millions should resign.

bertie must be having a right laugh that his fellow socialist has been found out. :rolleyes:

Scotty #

jmayo wrote: »

This just shows that when it comes closer to home they are no different form those they have lambasted in the past.

Hear! Hear!

Philco71

jmayo wrote: »

Well the ULA (daly and higgins) and People Before Taxes have said what he did was wrong but then waffled when asked if he should resign.

Now I bet if we we look back through their opinions, their rants, their statements, their interviews I bet you will find they have demanded, nay bayed, for the resignation of a host of politicans over in the major parties.

This just shows that when it comes closer to home they are no different form those they have lambasted in the past.

Up to now I respected higgins as someone of some principle, even if I thought his actual politics and believes were complete sh**e.

From yesterday I have lost that respect.
The man has no principles and the integrity he traded on has gone when he can't actually say that a tax cheat to the tune of millions should resign.

bertie must be having a right laugh that his fellow socialist has been found out. :rolleyes:

I agree with you. I certainly don't agree with many of their policies but I kind of admired the way that Higgins and Daly were sticking it up to the establishment. Now that their true colours have been shown then I think that they have seriously underestimated why they were voted for in the first place. Serious own goal on their behalf for not condemning Wallace and coming out with excuses for him and passing the buck.

take everything

jmayo wrote: »

Well the ULA (daly and higgins) and People Before Taxes have said what he did was wrong but then waffled when asked if he should resign.

Now I bet if we we look back through their opinions, their rants, their statements, their interviews I bet you will find they have demanded, nay bayed, for the resignation of a host of politicans over in the major parties.

This just shows that when it comes closer to home they are no different form those they have lambasted in the past.

Up to now I respected higgins as someone of some principle, even if I thought his actual politics and believes were complete sh**e.

From yesterday I have lost that respect.
The man has no principles and the integrity he traded on has gone when he can't actually say that a tax cheat to the tune of millions should resign.

bertie must be having a right laugh that his fellow socialist has been found out. :rolleyes:

Yeah Higgins and co seems to be not unlike the rest of them in this regard.
It's a depressing indictment of Irish politics.

Icepick

Philco71 wrote: »

I agree with you. I certainly don't agree with many of their policies but I kind of admired the way that Higgins and Daly were sticking it up to the establishment. Now that their true colours have been shown then I think that they have seriously underestimated why they were voted for in the first place. Serious own goal on their behalf for not condemning Wallace and coming out with excuses for him and passing the buck.

They are the establishment. When was the last time these people had a proper job not paid for by a taxpayer?
Also, they are not gonna call for his resignation when they encourage people not to pay taxes.

Philco71

Icepick wrote: »

They are the establishment. When was the last time these people had a proper job not paid for by a taxpayer?
Also, they are not gonna call for his resignation when they encourage people not to pay taxes.

Perhaps you're right. They have certainly shown themselves to be just the same as the rest of our elected leaders. Its just depressing when you think of politics in this country.

gerryo777

gerryo777 wrote: »

Why don't we just get rid of all politicians in Ireland and let merkel run the place?

We've shown time and time again that we cannot elect decent, honest people to govern.

It's as much the electorate's fault as it is the chancers who run for office.

Seems to me that Ireland thrives on corruption, law breaking, double standards and cute hoorism, it's never been any different so why are we all so surprised?

As I said before....

Godge

Fair play to Seamus Healy and John Halligan who have called on Tax-cheat Wallace to resign. If only the rest of their ULA colleagues, Uncle Joe, Richard Boy-Wonder and Clare "OnePico" Daly would do the same!

Good loser

Godge wrote: »

Fair play to Seamus Healy and John Halligan who have called on Tax-cheat Wallace to resign. If only the rest of their ULA colleagues, Uncle Joe, Richard Boy-Wonder and Clare "OnePico" Daly would do the same!

Wonder will it lessen their virulence in criticising everyone else all the time.

They have solutions/suggestions for every goddam thing but now it is all hands off - - - up to the people of Wexford etc - seems to me they are calling on the free market to decide.

StudentDad

Wow the hypocrisy surrounding this is something else. How many politicians of whatever party over the years have been caught with their hands in the cookie jar? How many have given the one fingered salute to the electorate? Now this guy, who as far as I can see is a business man who ran for election and won a seat.

This is a good auld fashioned witch hunt.

SD

KyussBishop

Guy should quite clearly be prosecuted and put in prison, but fúck all chance of that I guess.

jayteecork

according to todays Cork examiner Mick Wallace was threatening those that owed him money with hitmen!

Lol