Why has Poland such a problem with racists?

goodie2shoes

I ask this question as I'm baffled as to why a country which suffered so much at the hands of both the Nazis and the Russians appears to harbour so much racist feelings.

Is it a Catholic thing or simply feeling of inferiority?
Can we Irish learn anything from it?

Organic Cavity

Thread open, worms everywhere.

Pushtrak

Is this in reference to the racist groups there? If so, then you could make the same argument about a lot of countries.

Chips Ahoy

Organic Cavity wrote: »

Thread open, worms everywhere.

Replace thread with colon

Wibbs

Maybe because they have such a complex history of various groups laying claim to their land over the centuries that this manifests itself in a fear of the outsider among some?

eth0

Ireland has a problem with racists, all other European countries are perfect and we should strive to be like them

Just Ireland has problems and nobody else

-Self loathing paddy

micropig

Maybe it's because my friend told me they eat swans?

mattjack

goodie2shoes wrote: »

I ask this question as I'm baffled as to why a country which suffered so much at the hands of both the Nazis and the Russians appears to harbour so much racist feelings.

Is it a Catholic thing or simply feeling of inferiority?
Can we Irish learn anything from it?

Learn to be more racist ?

bdoo

sure we all know what those foreigners are like!

Nodin

goodie2shoes wrote: »

I ask this question as I'm baffled as to why a country which suffered so much at the hands of both the Nazis and the Russians appears to harbour so much racist feelings.

Is it a Catholic thing or simply feeling of inferiority?
Can we Irish learn anything from it?

You seem to be more atune to that mentality than the rest of us. Perhaps you've some insight on the matter...?

Mickey Dazzler

All Eastern Europeans are vicious racists.

Chucken

Mickey Dazzler wrote: »

All Eastern Europeans are vicious racists.

All Irish people are raging alcholics :rolleyes:



Edit: Sorry,I thought the thread was about generalisations

mikemac1

You've been reading too many reports from the English media, delighted for once that attention is being deflected away from their rogue fans

FinnLizzy

mattjack wrote: »

Learn to be more racist ?

Where does the church stand on this issue?
Should we all be more racist?

telly_lover

goodie2shoes wrote: »

I ask this question as I'm baffled as to why a country which suffered so much at the hands of both the Nazis and the Russians appears to harbour so much racist feelings.

Is it a Catholic thing or simply feeling of inferiority?
Can we Irish learn anything from it?

why would you think it was a catholic thing ?


think of the different regions of the world where racism has been an issue this past seventy years , south africa , the southern states of the usa , none of theese places have a high catholic population

mattjack

FinnLizzy wrote: »

Where does the church stand on this issue?
Should we all be more racist?

That would be an ecumenical matter Lizzy.

ejmaztec

telly_lover wrote: »

why would you think it was a catholic thing ?


think of the different regions of the world where racism has been an issue this past seventy years , south africa , the southern states of the usa , none of theese places have a high catholic population

They ran the Catholics out.

Gummy Panda

What I don't understand is countries who suffered so much at the hands of Nazis, having Neo Nazi groups

I can understand racism as that happens everywhere but groups actually worshiping a party who classed them as sub-human and ravaged their country just seems so ignorant of the past.

gurramok

Because the authorities have not clamped down hard enough or educated its populace about such tendencies. Funnily enough, both countries in the spotlight(Poland and Ukraine) were communist. Other eastern European countries seem to racist problems themselves, Russia for example.

Chucken

Gummy Panda wrote: »

What I don't understand is countries who suffered so much at the hands of Nazis, having Neo Nazi groups

I can understand racism as that happens everywhere but groups actually worshiping a party who classed them as sub-human and ravaged their country just seems so ignorant of the past.

It does beggar belief but theres no accounting for gobs*ites in any country

AndyTheDude

Why has Ireland such a problem with racists? :rolleyes:

Crann na Beatha

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hardCopy

AndyTheDude wrote: »

Why has Ireland such a problem with racists? :rolleyes:

Yeah, stop picking on the racists

Crann na Beatha

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flutterflye

It's because your face.

Shenshen

Gummy Panda wrote: »

What I don't understand is countries who suffered so much at the hands of Nazis, having Neo Nazi groups

I can understand racism as that happens everywhere but groups actually worshiping a party who classed them as sub-human and ravaged their country just seems so ignorant of the past.

Meh, I've met racist Israelis. Nothing surprises me on that count any more.

Discodog

Gummy Panda wrote: »

What I don't understand is countries who suffered so much at the hands of Nazis, having Neo Nazi groups

There were plenty of groups in Poland that supported the Nazis during the Second World War.

Shenshen

gurramok wrote: »

Because the authorities have not clamped down hard enough or educated its populace about such tendencies. Funnily enough, both countries in the spotlight(Poland and Ukraine) were communist. Other eastern European countries seem to racist problems themselves, Russia for example.

Not least of all Eastern Germany.
I do tend to think of it like a pendulum, having been pulled in one direction and when released swinging in the other.

Battered Mars Bar

Aquila wrote: »

idiots are everywhere no matter what nationality..
reading some of this stuff here you would assume Poland is full of nazi zombies suffering an outbreak similar to 28 days later for the duration of the euros

Didn't get that impression from this thread. I've gotten a far worse impression of some cities in Poland straight from the Poles themselves. Their Eastern side is ravaged with alcohol abuse apparently on a scale that would make us all look very sober here.

AndyTheDude wrote: »

Why has Ireland such a problem with racists? [/IMG]

Thread's about Poland as far as I can tell.

Nodin

Chucken wrote: »

It does beggar belief but theres no accounting for gobs*ites in any country

Indeed.

Its interesting that the OP themselves, on the thread entitled "All These Eastern Europeans - Why No Czechs?" replied - "who cares, just be thankful".
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=79028479&postcount=27

As regards the safety of the Euros in Poland

if the ones we got coming over here are anything to go by, i 'ld stay well clear of it and leave 'em to it.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=78974700&postcount=131

telly_lover

ejmaztec wrote: »

They ran the Catholics out.

never were many there in the first place

theteal

I should hope they have a problem with racists. . .if not, they would be racist

telly_lover

AndyTheDude wrote: »

Why has Ireland such a problem with racists? :rolleyes:

it doesnt

telly_lover

Aquila wrote: »

Same could be said about any western European country....

not really , the media and cultural elite in western europe never stop talking about the evils of racism

goodie2shoes

i agree every country has its' racists, in every town & city.
racism as it exists in Ireland is little more than the ramblings of a few (usually drunken) idiots.

however it appears to be so much more organised in Poland.
how a country that was raped & pillaged by Nazis little more than half a century ago can embrace/tolerate such a philosophy is mind-boggling.

any ideas?

AndyTheDude

Battered Mars Bar wrote: »

Thread's about Poland as far as I can tell.

tis indeed. Let's leave the good, old Irish racists alone and focus on those Polish bastards exclusively.
The pot calling the kettle black...

polskafanka

goodie2shoes wrote: »

I ask this question as I'm baffled as to why a country which suffered so much at the hands of both the Nazis and the Russians appears to harbour so much racist feelings.

Is it a Catholic thing or simply feeling of inferiority?
Can we Irish learn anything from it?

What makes you think Poland has such a problem???
I was born there, I have spend over 25 years there and I never met anyone who was racist. My brother when he was little was dreaming about beeing black (because he loved basketball) and all my friends were open minded idealist.
There are certain groups of usually young male -often pseudo football fans - there usually come from poor pathological families -they are lost, there are frustrated and they feel stronger and better together hating somebody...
Were is poverty and no bright future it is easy to find frustration and aggression.
There is another group of old catholic fanatics, but there are just scared of things they are not familiar with...

gurramok

Aquila wrote: »

Same could be said about any western European country....

Yes, Spain comes to mind as a recent case. Spain has also a large Catholic population just like Poland and Ukraine. Perhaps both religion and communism has had a bad negative influence on the uneducated in those countries?

I spoke to a few of the polish lads I work with and they agreed that racism is definitely present at a high level in Poland. They went so far as to say "if you are black and live near or in the city there would be a lot of trouble for you".

The first time I noticed that there may be a high amount of racists in Poland (I don't think we're short of them here mind...) was when Microsoft photoshopped a white guys head on to a black guys body in an advertisement picture for Microsoft office made specifically for Poland. You could see the hands were still black...

They would have a similar issue with gay people too, even if it was their friend that was gay, it would be something that would REALLY bother them... I'm at a loss to explain these prejudices though

Chucken

goodie2shoes wrote: »

i agree every country has its' racists, in every town & city.
racism as it exists in Ireland is little more than the ramblings of a few (usually drunken) idiots.

however it appears to be so much more organised in Poland.
how a country that was raped & pillaged by Nazis little more than half a century ago can embrace/tolerate such a philosophy is mind-boggling.

any ideas?

Go and read post 30 then get back to us

telly_lover

goodie2shoes wrote: »

i agree every country has its' racists, in every town & city.
racism as it exists in Ireland is little more than the ramblings of a few (usually drunken) idiots.

however it appears to be so much more organised in Poland.
how a country that was raped & pillaged by Nazis little more than half a century ago can embrace/tolerate such a philosophy is mind-boggling.

any ideas?

anyones guess , could be down to the fact that eastern europe has always been mono ethnic with the exception of a jewish minority which is now minescule , poland , russia etc have no history of black citizens , hence the reaction when poles and russian football fans encounter non whites

Nodin

goodie2shoes wrote: »

i agree every country has its' racists, in every town & city.
racism as it exists in Ireland is little more than the ramblings of a few (usually drunken) idiots.

....or people who post on message boards - like yourself for instance.

goodie2shoes wrote: »

however it appears to be so much more organised in Poland.
......

....you know trying to justify your dubious attitude to Poles by highlighting some of your fellow travellers is a bit much.

Humans should not be concerned about each other. We need to be more concerned with the aliens living amongst us!

telly_lover

gurramok wrote: »

Yes, Spain comes to mind as a recent case. Spain has also a large Catholic population just like Poland and Ukraine. Perhaps both religion and communism has had a bad negative influence on the uneducated in those countries?

catholicism has its issues but compared to many other religons , intollerance by way of racism has rarely been one of them

DingChavez

Stop getting your information about other countries from the British media.

true

usually its foreigners who ask why has Ireland such a problem with racists, not the other way round.

We've exported our racists to kill people in pubs and shopping centres overseas, after all

djPSB

I don't think they have problems with racists, THEY ARE RACIST!!

polskafanka

djPSB wrote: »

I don't think they have problems with racists, THEY ARE RACIST!!

You know what, every time I see in American movies Irish character who is a drunk and a looser I don't belive it, because I know it is not true
-and you should not be calling me a racist because I am FAR from that.

Nodin

true wrote: »

usually its foreigners who ask why has Ireland such a problem with racists, not the other way round.

We've exported our racists to kill people in pubs and shopping centres overseas, after all

What racists would these be?

Battered Mars Bar

AndyTheDude wrote: »

tis indeed. Let's leave the good, old Irish racists alone and focus on those Polish bastards exclusively.
The pot calling the kettle black...

I don't understand. First we don't have much of a problem with racism in this country imo. Second are you saying so that we can't have a thread to discuss racism in Poland because there's a small number of racists in our country? or are you saying that Ireland can't speak critically of another country because after all who are we to be crtical of anyone, simple Paddies that we are :rolleyes:

Your point on Irish racists could be a good comparison, but of that you've made none.

true

Nodin wrote: »

What racists would these be?

to you they are patriots:D