Euro 2012 Group C (Irelands Group)

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noodler

Is a draw really enough against Spain?

BKC

noodler wrote: »

Is a draw really enough against Spain?

I can't see us getting a draw at all.

I honestly think we'll end up with no points, though I hope we get something off Italy as I need Spain to top the group.

SirDelboy18

All I want is a gutsy, battling performance now. Even if we lose. Bring back some pride to things and go out with our heads held high.

Vincent Vega

A win and a draw for us still and all is good, right?

Also.... has anybody else worked out if it is possible to qualify for the next round with only 3 points?

Pudsy33

Vincent Vega wrote: »

A win and a draw for us still and all is good, right?

Also.... has anybody else worked out if it is possible to qualify for the next round with only 3 points?

If croatia draw both remaining games, or win them, and we get 4 point we're through. 3 point wont under and circumstances anymore afaik

BKC

Pudsy33 wrote: »

3 point wont under and circumstances anymore afaik

Not possible to get through with just 3 points as that would mean losing to either Spain or Italy, meaning they would have 4 points.

Vincent Vega

hmm.
was trying to work out if any sequence of other teams drawing/losing would make 3 points sufficient.
I suppose it is probably a bit over optimistic, but if we can somehow nick a draw from the Spain match, i don't see why we can't go out and beat Italy on the day.
Stranger things have happened.

Pudsy33

Basically our best chance is Croatia sweep the group, and we manage to get 4 points somewhere.

kitakyushu

Pudsy33 wrote: »

Basically our best chance is Croatia sweep the group, and we manage to get 4 points somewhere.

Either that or two 0-0's for Ireland and then Croatia to beat Italy and Spain 3-0 each.

wonderfullife

Just had an outlandish thought - 2 wins guarantee our progress! It's in our own hands!!!! lol

kitakyushu

If it cheers people up at all there have been four instances of teams losing their opening game by 2 goals or more at the Euros and still qualifying for the next round (Czech Rep in 96 and Turkey & Russia & Italy in 2008).

GavRedKing

Disappointing to say the least.

JP Liz V1

I dont think Ireland can beat both Italy and Spain lucky if they get a draw with one of them, I'm afraid I think it is over for us

Renn

Immense display from De Rossi yesterday. MOM for me (Pirlo and Iniesta not far off).

shano1888

Although we were outclassed in large spells I really wasnt all that impressed with Croatia last night and I think that on our day we would have gotten something from the game. I expect Italy to beat them on Thursday. If we could somehow manage a draw with Spain this would leave Spain on 2 points and therefore needing a win against the croats in the last round of matches. I think they would destroy Croatia in that situation.

We could then beat the italians who would have half of their team suspended for the final game. simples.

Would leave the group looking like so

Spain 5
Ireland 4 (Go through on head to head rule)
Italy 4
Croatia 3

Borat_Sagdiyev

SirDelboy18 wrote: »

All I want is a gutsy, battling performance now. Even if we lose. Bring back some pride to things and go out with our heads held high.

Sorry, but I can't stand this attitude. It's an attitude of accepting failure and it's held us back for years.

We need a point against Spain and 3 against Italy and a hell of a lot more luck than we got against Croatia in both games. Anything less is useless - including a gutsy performance where we lose.

Renn

I'm going to take the word gutsy to mean trying to string a few passes together.

TheRedDevil10

We NEED Italy to beat Croatia

shano1888

This. Dont understand people thinking a Croatia win is a good result.

BKC

Borat_Sagdiyev wrote: »

Sorry, but I can't stand this attitude. It's an attitude of accepting failure and it's held us back for years.

I think it's just being realistic.

I think there is no hope of us getting 4 points from our last two games.

shano1888

BKC wrote: »

I think it's just being realistic.

I think there is no hope of us getting 4 points from our last two games.

Probably not but it would be unreal to still have something to play for against Italy and we are allowed to hope.

kitakyushu

BKC wrote: »

I think it's just being realistic.

I think there is no hope of us getting 4 points from our last two games.

Highly unlikely but not impossible. Besides who really cares. Let's not let lose sight of the fact that we're in a finals now and getting a chance to play two of the biggest teams in the world over the coming week. I'd rather be here and losing than the alternative that we've put up with for the last decade.

A lot of people seem to have lost interest simply because we put in a bad performance yesterday and we're unlikely to qualify now. These may be the last two games we get at this stage for another decade so let's enjoy them and who knows, we might cause a few surprises yet.

steelcityblues

TheRedDevil10 wrote: »

We NEED Italy to beat Croatia

Agree. After Nigeria won their first two matches at WC 98, they had a reserve side against Paraguay, which screwed over Spain. Croatia could do the same.

roosh

TheRedDevil10 wrote: »

We NEED Italy to beat Croatia

and we have to draw with spain.

anything less and we're out.

Kylo Ren

Well we know why he missed the save now...

noodler

So nervous again.

Bit like I was on Saturday night.

Step one: Hope the bar the lads choose to watch the Italy-Croatia game isn't full by the time I ger off work and into town.

Step two: Hope we can hold the Spanish for the first 30 minutes.

BKC

Is it wrong that I want Spain to win for the sake of a bet?



Like, I really would like Ireland to do well and qualify but I just don't think it's possible for them!

eagle eye

Can someone change the title of this group to the Group of Debt!

Professional Griefer

BKC wrote: »

Is it wrong that I want Spain to win for the sake of a bet?



Like, I really would like Ireland to do well and qualify but I just don't think it's possible for them!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2HW_BYozQA

klose

May the footballing gods have mercy on our very souls tomorrow and grant us a result!

noodler

BKC wrote: »

Is it wrong that I want Spain to win for the sake of a bet?



Like, I really would like Ireland to do well and qualify but I just don't think it's possible for them!

I'd go as far as to say it is pathetic!

helimachoptor

I would never bet against Ireland.. ever (in saying that i very rarely bet)
Something very wrong about betting against your team never mind country

Rekop dog

Italy vs Croatia is huge. As good as Italy were in the opener, Croatia have put themselves in a strong position in the group, although difficult to access how good they were against us. Di Natale has to start imo, think he has the ability to expose Corluka at the back. Croatia's front two were ruthlessly clinical against us so the Italian back 3 will have their hands full trying to limit them opportunities.

Think we'll put in a decent performance and restore a bit of pride, but Spain will grind us down eventually and run out comfortable enough winners in the latter stages of the game. 2-0

adox

A couple of English journos on Twitter are saying that Cox will start tonight in place of Doyle.

SlickRic

SantryRed

COX, FCUKING COX.

born2bwild

SantryRed wrote: »

COX, FCUKING COX.

I'm glad you put that comma in.

SlickRic

ha, i really don't get Trap's love for Cox at all.

yes, he's always done ok for us, but you've Long whose a better finisher, whose quicker, whose better goalscorer, and who is higher up the pecking order at West Brom.

you've got Walters who is stronger, more skilful, and far more high level experience. plus he plays our way of playing all the time with Stoke.

it really is so so baffling, and is one of the great mysteries of Trap's reign IMO.

noodler

If we are never to have the ball in their third then Cox makes more sense than Long I guess..

He seems a more intellgient footballer in terms of possession, passing and build-up.

But really, I am making quite an effort to reach that conclusion.

MagicMarker

helimachoptor wrote: »

I would never bet against Ireland.. ever (in saying that i very rarely bet)
Something very wrong about betting against your team never mind country

I'll give you 1000/1 odds that Spain will win tonight?

Still not interested in betting against your country?

Francie Barrett

It's being rumoured that we are playing 4-4-1-1.

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Given
- O'Shea - Dunne - St Ledger - Ward
- Duff - Andrews - Whelan - Cox

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McGeady

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Keane

RayCon

helimachoptor wrote: »

I would never bet against Ireland.. ever (in saying that i very rarely bet)
Something very wrong about betting against your team never mind country

Remove emotion from betting

Green Diesel

helimachoptor wrote: »

I would never bet against Ireland.. ever (in saying that i very rarely bet)
Something very wrong about betting against your team never mind country

I frequently bet against my own team, but never hope to win the bet.

That way if your team wins, fantastic. If they lose, at least you get some compensation.

kitakyushu

Might be needing this later on tonight (hope not).
date|type|venue|opponent|score
21/03/1926|Friendly|Turin, Motovelodromo|Italy|0–3
08/04/1934|World Cup 1934 qualifier|Amsterdam, De Meer Stadium|Netherlands|2–5
06/05/1936|Friendly|Köln|Rhineland XI|1–4
12/06/1949|Friendly|Dublin, Dalymount Park|Spain|1–4
04/05/1952|Friendly|Köln, Müngersdorfer Stadion|West Germany|0–3
19/10/1955|Friendly|Dublin, Dalymount Park|Yugoslavia|1–4
18/05/1960|Friendly|Malmö, Malmö Stadium|Sweden|1–4
03/05/1961|World Cup 1962 qualifier|Glasgow, Hampden Park|Scotland|1–4
07/05/1961|World Cup 1962 qualifier|Dublin, Dalymount Park|Scotland|0–3
27/10/1965|World Cup 1966 qualifier|Seville, Estadio Ramón Sánchez Pizjuán|Spain|1–4
07/10/1969|World Cup 1970 qualifier|Prague, Sparta Stadium|Czechoslovakia|0–3
08/12/1970|European Championship 1972 qualifier|Florence, Stadio Artemio Franchi|Italy|0–3
30/05/1971|European Championship 1972 qualifier|Dublin, Dalymount Park|Austria|1–4
12/04/1978|Friendly|Lodz, Stadion LKS|Poland|0–3
16/08/1979|Friendly|Bilbao, San Mamés Stadium|Basque Country|1–4
26/09/1979|Friendly|Prague, Stadion Evžena Rošického|Czechoslovakia|1–4
21/05/1981|Friendly|Bremen, Weserstadion|West Germany B team|0–3
23/05/1981|Friendly|Bydgoszcz, Zdzisław Krzyszkowiak Stadium|Poland|0–3
04/04/1984|Friendly|Jaffa, Bloomfield Stadium|Israel|0–3
14/11/1984|World Cup 1986 qualifier|Copenhagen, Idrætsparken|Denmark|0–3
13/11/1985|World Cup 1986 qualifier|Dublin, Lansdowne Road|Denmark|1–4
15/11/1995|Euro 1996 qualifier|Lisboa, Estádio da Luz|Portugal|0–3
29/05/2004|Unity Cup|Charlton, The Valley Stadium|Nigeria|0–3
07/10/2006|Euro 2008 qualifier|Nicosia, Neo GSP Stadium|Cyprus|2–5
12/08/2009|Friendly|Limerick, Thomond Park|Australia|0–3
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10/05/1950|Friendly|Brussels, Century Stadium|Belgium|1–5
08/05/1957|World Cup 1958 qualifier|London, Wembley Stadium|England|1–5
10/05/1959|European Nations' Cup 1960 qualifier|Bratislava, Tehelné Pole Štadión|Czechoslovakia|0–4
11/03/1964|European Nations' Cup 1964 qualifier|Seville, Estadio Ramón Sánchez Pizjuán|Spain|1–5
04/05/1966|Friendly|Dublin, Dalymount Park|West Germany|0–4
05/11/1969|World Cup 1970 qualifier|Budapest, Népstadion|Hungary|0–4
16/08/2006|Friendly|Dublin, Lansdowne Road|Netherlands|0–4
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13/12/1931|Friendly|Dublin, Dalymount Park|Spain|0–5
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22/05/1938|Friendly|Warsaw, Polish Army Stadium|Poland|0–6
07/05/1952|Friendly|Vienna, Praeter Park|Austria|0–6
01/06/1952|Friendly|Madrid, Estadio Chamartín|Spain|0–6
29/10/1961|World Cup 1962 qualifier|Prague, Strahov Stadium|Czechoslovakia|1–7
10/10/1971|European Championship 1972 qualifier|Linz, Linzer Stadion|Austria|0–6
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27/05/1982|Friendly|Uberlândia, Estádio Parque do Sabiá|Brazil|0–7|

IamtheWalrus

I predict one of 2 outcomes.

4-0 to the Spains or 1-o to the Spains where we keep it tight, frustrate them but aren't able to survive the onslaught for 90 mins.

Either way, we're going home. Maybe it's for the best. Being the worst team in Europe isn't good for the countries rep especially as it's bad already with the bailout.

Rekop dog

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

I predict one of 2 outcomes.

4-0 to the Spains or 1-o to the Spains where we keep it tight, frustrate them but aren't able to survive the onslaught for 90 mins.

Either way, we're going home. Maybe it's for the best. Being the worst team in Europe isn't good for the countries rep especially as it's bad already with the bailout.

Lolwut?

statto25

IamtheWalrus wrote: »

I predict one of 2 outcomes.

4-0 to the Spains or 1-o to the Spains where we keep it tight, frustrate them but aren't able to survive the onslaught for 90 mins.

Either way, we're going home. Maybe it's for the best. Being the worst team in Europe isn't good for the countries rep especially as it's bad already with the bailout.

The worst team at the European Championships maybe but not Europe? I'd agree with your predictions but would plump with 1-0 Spain. Hopefully I'm proven wrong.

IamtheWalrus

statto25 wrote: »

The worst team at the European Championships maybe but not Europe?

Yea, the Euros just.

noodler

kitakyushu wrote: »

Might be needing this later on tonight (hope not).

That is a bloody impressive table. My boards tables never come out as I want them to.