Russian Fans Beating UEFA Stewarts

noodler

http://youtu.be/QBxzbx2D22M

Unreal stuff.

This is the type of incident that should get a team kicked out of the tournament.

Harsh, but what other proportional punishment can be used?

I haven't seen this on any of the British or Irish news mediums so far.

Soups123

noodler wrote: »

http://youtu.be/QBxzbx2D22M

Unreal stuff.

This is the type of incident that should get a team kicked out of the tournament.

Harsh, but what other proportional punishment can be used?

I haven't seen this on any of the British or Irish news mediums so far.

Was on sky for a minute or two earlier, banning the team is a bit OTT

Irishvillian

It was on sky sports news earlier.

noodler

Soups123 wrote: »

Was on sky for a minute or two earlier, banning the team is a bit OTT

Sorry, didn't see it on Sky.

Banning the team is unfair on the team itself obviously but I really can't see an effective alternative.

Four stewards hospitalised.

Maybe I am letting the shock of the pictures sway me at the moment.

steelcityblues

noodler wrote: »

http://youtu.be/QBxzbx2D22M

Unreal stuff.

This is the type of incident that should get a team kicked out of the tournament.

Harsh, but what other proportional punishment can be used?

I haven't seen this on any of the British or Irish news mediums so far.

Banning Platini and Blatter from running football would be more effective.

To Alcohol

Nasty incident. Could be some real issues there yet.

Phoenix Park

Where are the police? Surely its not just left to a few stewards in those areas behind the stands? Potential for real violence if so.

DDC1990

They should castrate the bastards.

Its sickening. Kicking the guy wearing the orange bib in the head on the ground.

Could have killed him.

Don't see why its OTT to punish the team for the supporters behaviour. Maybe then the FA would make a bigger effort to make sure these idiots don't get tickets.

Helix

kicking them out is really the only option. yeah it's harsh, but what else could be done? you can't have no sanctions, and even though it's clearly only a minority, it can't be tolerated at all, and kicking them out would absolutely send a message

Soups123

noodler wrote: »

Soups123 wrote: »

Was on sky for a minute or two earlier, banning the team is a bit OTT

Sorry, didn't see it on Sky.

Banning the team is unfair on the team itself obviously but I really can't see an affective alternative.

Four stewards hospitalised.

Maybe I am letting the shock of the pictures sway me at the moment.

It's discusting and agree it shouldn't be let go the bastards should be caught and imprisoned shouldn't be hard to find them good quality video. Atleast a couple of fans had the balls to step in and halt it.

Worrying sight was lack of security where the f*uck were they???

monkey9

You can take the World Cup off them for a start!!

Helix

monkey9 wrote: »

You can take the World Cup off them for a start!!

who's the backup for 2018?

Soups123

Helix wrote: »

kicking them out is really the only option. yeah it's harsh, but what else could be done? you can't have no sanctions, and even though it's clearly only a minority, it can't be tolerated at all, and kicking them out would absolutely send a message

Kicking out is too harsh sure I could stick on an England jersey and get a group of 10 in with me and have them kicked out of every major tournament, ban the fans not the players

Helix

Soups123 wrote: »

Kicking out is too harsh sure I could stick on an England jersey and get a group of 10 in with me and have them kicked out of every major tournament, ban the fans not the players

would be virtually impossible to stop their fans going to their team's games though. ban the team and they've nobody to follow

Soups123

Helix wrote: »

Soups123 wrote: »

Kicking out is too harsh sure I could stick on an England jersey and get a group of 10 in with me and have them kicked out of every major tournament, ban the fans not the players

would be virtually impossible to stop their fans going to their team's games though. ban the team and they've nobody to follow

I meant as in don't allow them in the stadium

PCPhoto

you cant throw a team out for the actions of a small number of fans !

user2011

No racist chanting so all is well.... :rolleyes:

I agree with banning their national team. Fines are no deterrent too these type of people or the FA's that handout the tickets too these people. Shameful stuff.

IvySlayer

Catch them, take their passports off them, don't allow people in stadiums without passports.

monkey9

Helix wrote: »

who's the backup for 2018?

Whoever was in the running for it along with Russia!! I know it's not really going to happen. It's just disgusting to see that kind of thing. They won four one as well!!

Helix

Soups123 wrote: »

I meant as in don't allow them in the stadium

i know what you meant, but how do you stop them from getting in?

gilmour

Ah new age football fans. Kick a team out of a competition over the misbehaviour of a small group of supporters?

This kind of thing has been present in nearly every major tournament for decades, the difference is we now have the technology to view these small scale incidents.

Captain Havoc

That's disgusting, they're unarmed stewards. I think if a Czech person stuck on a Russian shirt, someone would notice they're not Russian, just like if a French person stuck on an Irish shirt, you'd notice the accent isn't quite right. Deduct Russia three points for the WC qualifiers, name and shame those who caused this.

noodler

gilmour wrote: »

Ah new age football fans. Kick a team out of a competition over the misbehaviour of a small group of supporters?

This kind of thing has been present in nearly every major tournament for decades, the difference is we now have the technology to view these small scale incidents.

I knew somebody would eventually pipe in with the obligatory "ah sure this happens all the time".

I remember plenty of incidents at tournaments over the years when fans clash with other fans or with police. I disagree that groups of football fans hospitalising unarmed and isolated stewards is a regular occurance.

Soups123

Helix wrote: »

Soups123 wrote: »

I meant as in don't allow them in the stadium

i know what you meant, but how do you stop them from getting in?

3 Strikes rule, if your fans commit 3 significant incidences during the tournament there is no ticket allocation to ur fans for next tournament / qualifying campaign. They soon put greater control over who gets ticket. Every ticket should contain ur passport number and both should be with you at game

user2011

Yet clubs and FA's get fined a few thousand euro because of a few. What is the difference?

Everyone wants this type off behaviour ^^^ and racist chanting not too be associated with football so why not?

gilmour

noodler wrote: »

I knew somebody would eventually pipe in with the obligatory "ah sure this happens all the time".

I remember plenty of incidents at tournaments over the years when fans clash with other fans or with police. I disagree that groups of football fans hospitalising unarmed and isolated stewards is a regular occurance.

so fan on fan or fan on police violence is OK?

Football whether it be international or club will always have a mob/tribal mentality, add alcohol to that and you're always going to get these incidents. The only solution to stopping such things is actually to ban supporters full stop, any talk of deducting teams points or kicking out of a tournament is pure Daily Mail tripe.

noodler

gilmour wrote: »

so fan on fan or fan on police violence is OK?

Why are you asking if it is OK?

What isn't OK is dismissing the hospitalisation of stewards as some sort of everyday occurance.

Check out the kicks at 0.24.

RayCon

the deterrent has to lie with the responsible FA ... otherwise they will never do anything of meaning to stamp it out (or at the very least find and ban those responsible). I agree with kicking the team out.

Helix

Soups123 wrote: »

3 Strikes rule, if your fans commit 3 significant incidences during the tournament there is no ticket allocation to ur fans for next tournament / qualifying campaign. They soon put greater control over who gets ticket. Every ticket should contain ur passport number and both should be with you at game

give them 3 chances? seriously?

balls to that. they should get no chances

this isnt something that happened outside the stadium or anything, it was at a match ffs

dfx-

The incident is small in itself, a minor issue.

But there's Poland v Russia coming up.

Paully D

This will end well :rolleyes:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/soccer/wires/06/08/2080.ap.soc.euro.2012.russian.march.1st.ld.writethru.0246/index.html

Warsaw city officials said Friday they will grant an informal request by Russia fans for "assistance'' during a planned march to the team's Euro 2012 game against co-host Poland on Russia's national holiday next week.

Warsaw Mayor Hanna Gronkiewicz-Waltz said she has received a letter from Russian fans who want to march from the city to the National Stadium for Tuesday's match in Group A.

Gronkiewicz-Waltz said she will meet their representatives on Saturday to discuss how to best meet the fans' request.

Ewa Gawor, head of the city's security forces, said the letter asked for "assistance while Russian fans with tickets walk to the National Stadium.''

Without specifying the kind of assistance, Gawor said:"We will grant that request.''

The fans said in the letter that it was their tradition to hold marches during Euro games, Gawor said.

Emotions are expected to run high during the match, and not only because of the sporting stakes.

Poland and Russia have a long history of troubled relations, including four decades of Soviet Union dominance under communism that was overthrown in Poland in 1989.

However, June 12 marks the day in 1990 when Russian lawmakers declared independence from the Soviet Union, by giving supremacy to Russian laws over the Soviet legislation.

Poland Prime Minister Donald Tusk said Thursday he would encourage Poles to march together with the Russians, to celebrate the day that "finally buried the Soviet Union.''

ziggyman17

the team should be thrown out of the tournament. It all kicked off in the stadium, the only way to stop this is to punish the teams, nothing else seems to work. it might send out a message that this sort of thing will not be put up with.

Soups123

Helix wrote: »

Soups123 wrote: »

3 Strikes rule, if your fans commit 3 significant incidences during the tournament there is no ticket allocation to ur fans for next tournament / qualifying campaign. They soon put greater control over who gets ticket. Every ticket should contain ur passport number and both should be with you at game

give them 3 chances? seriously?

balls to that. they should get no chances

this isnt something that happened outside the stadium or anything, it was at a match ffs

Your talking about 50000 + people coming together there is bound to be atleast 100 assholes. TBH what happened was **** but I wouldn't say it even registers in the worst 10000 incidents of football related violence over time. It wud be ridiculous to punish the team for what happened last night.

Everyone is responsible for there own actions find the individuals and punish them, get greater control over tickets. What happens outside the stadium is beyond the control of the team or the FA,

noodler

dfx- wrote: »

The incident is small in itself, a minor issue.

I can't agree with that.

Helix

Soups123 wrote: »

What happens outside the stadium is beyond the control of the team or the FA,

this happened inside the stadium though did it not?

dfx-

Well it's an isolated incident with maybe 10-20 people over in 20 seconds. The potential of it being an indicator of what will happen between Poland and Russia when there will be a lot more people mixed together for what could be a problematic fixture anyway.

Soups123

Helix wrote: »

Soups123 wrote: »

What happens outside the stadium is beyond the control of the team or the FA,

this happened inside the stadium though did it not?

It did my point was about overal control, FA and teams can't be responsible for outside the stadium that's society. Inside the stadium I made my point control and punishment of individuals

flyswatter

Best thing would be to take the 2018 world cup off them.

They have a racist element in their country anyway.

FIFA are idiots.

flyswatter

flyswatter wrote: »

Best thing would be to take the 2018 world cup off them.

They are an extremely racist country anyway.

Take the WC of them because of some idiots? Seriously?

Generalisations rule !

flyswatter

rarnes1 wrote: »

Take the WC of them because of some idiots? Seriously?

Generalisations rule !

Some? Do a bit of research. This is hardly a first.

Why should a country with racist tendencies and a history of football hooliganism and violence be given to right to host an international tournament?

Crann na Beatha

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user2011

Aquila wrote: »

So some of you are advocating kicking out a team because of behavior of a minority element?

Yup just like punishing the majority with fines? Also with tax increases because of a few... Severe penalties for the few will make the few think twice.. Well thats my thinking.

flyswatter

flyswatter wrote: »

Some? Do a bit of research. This is hardly a first.

Why should a country with racist tendencies and a history of football hooliganism and violence be given to right to host an international tournament?

This tournament is in Poland/Ukraine - history of violence and racism.
Germany has history of hooligamism
Brazil have hooliganism - take it off them too?
England too.
A lot of countries have idiots.

It was scummy behaviour,but to expel a team because of it would be beyond ridicuous. Ban the idiots that were fighting and charge them with assault.

Dozen Wicked Words

I didn't really agree with Russia getting the WC (bitter about England not getting it!!!) but you can't take it off of them because of this.

Unpleasant incident but all 4 stewards were released after first aid type treatment in hospital the same evening, and if you go into any A and E on a Friday or Saturday night or go out drinking in any town centre, you will see the result of similar disgusting attacks by young men and increasingly women, who have had too much to drink.

flyswatter

Aquila wrote: »

You mean Spain,UK,France etc?

What are you talking about?

Russia are hosting the 2018 World Cup.

I think my point has been proven here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/euro2012/article-2156973/Euro-2012-Russia-face-disciplinary-action-steward-attack.html

By the way mentioning the UK as a racist country is pretty daft to be honest. A multicultural society that integrates, Ireland is actually more racist than the UK.

flyswatter

flyswatter wrote: »

What are you talking about?

Russia are hosting the 2018 World Cup.

I think my point has been proven here: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/euro2012/article-2156973/Euro-2012-Russia-face-disciplinary-action-steward-attack.html

By the way mentioning the UK as a racist country is pretty daft to be honest. A multicultural society that integrates, Ireland is actually more racist than the UK.

Where are you getting your facts from? (apart from the Daily Fail which is quite ironic)

Is there a racist league by counrty that I missed somewhere? Or have you lived in all these countries?

Crann na Beatha

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eagle eye

Helix wrote: »

kicking them out is really the only option. yeah it's harsh, but what else could be done? you can't have no sanctions, and even though it's clearly only a minority, it can't be tolerated at all, and kicking them out would absolutely send a message

You do what happens to any thug, you arrest them, charge them and don't give them bail and if they are found guilty give the the hard time they deserve.

Punishing the team for their behaviour is ridiculous.

flyswatter

rarnes1 wrote: »

Where are you getting your facts from? (apart from the Daily Fail which is quite ironic)

Is there a racist league by counrty that I missed somewhere? Or have you lived in all these countries?

Darragh Maloney mentioned it on RTE earlier. Do I have to go and get a link from The Guardian or The Independent to back that up? If you're going to be that pedantic about it then this might suffice: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jun/09/euro-2012-racist-chants-reported

http://euro2012.breakingnews.ie/news/racist-chants-aimed-at-czech-player-say-campaigners-554753.html