Homosexuals are as bad as rapists, Polish nurses taught

syklops

fran17 wrote: »

.the rectum does not produce a natural lubricant for this kind of activity,so how is it natural?

Neither does the hand. So masterbation is unnatural now?

Crann na Beatha

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Phil the Greek

Leeg17 wrote: »

Banned.

Next sign of homophobic posting earns a person a ban and the thread's getting locked.

So if a persons religious or moral beliefs go against homosexuality it's not ok to say so? So much for tolerance.

Fúck this for a game of cowboys, not the 'Brokeback Mountain' kind.

Byeeeeeeeeeee.

Pushtrak

PucaMama wrote: »

No, I meant real,offline people. Like my sister. Some gay people think they deserve martyrdom.

mar·tyr·dom (märtr-dm)
n.
1.
a. The state of being a martyr.
b. The suffering of death by a martyr.
2. Extreme suffering of any kind.

VS

Human rights are commonly understood as "inalienable fundamental rights to which a person is inherently entitled simply because she or he is a human being." Human rights are thus conceived as universal (applicable everywhere) and egalitarian (the same for everyone). These rights may exist as natural rights or as legal rights, in both national and international law.

Which is more appropriate?

apache

Aquila wrote: »

Has any of you read this document?
Rather than taking a sindo reporters words as gospel?

i sure would like to read it for myself instead of shouting "discrimination" from the rooftops.

Gummy Panda

whoopsadaisydoodles wrote: »

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Neither does the hand, yet I'm pretty sure that touching the penis with the hand during intercourse is a common enough practice.

Exactly. Women also require lubrication. And I've read threads here before claiming that a huge percentage of women cannot orgasm from vaginal penetration, a woman's orgasm can play a part in conception, so surely if sex was only about procreating, all women would orgasm from penetrative sex? I could keep going with that argument, but I won't.

I always wonder how many of the people who are dead set against "the gays", enjoy a nice bit of lesbian porn.

How does the orgasm play a part in conception?

I assume vagina walls spasm helps delivery

PucaMama

Pushtrak wrote: »

PucaMama wrote: »

No, I meant real,offline people. Like my sister. Some gay people think they deserve martyrdom.

mar·tyr·dom (märtr-dm)
n.
1.
a. The state of being a martyr.
b. The suffering of death by a martyr.
2. Extreme suffering of any kind.

VS

Human rights are commonly understood as "inalienable fundamental rights to which a person is inherently entitled simply because she or he is a human being." Human rights are thus conceived as universal (applicable everywhere) and egalitarian (the same for everyone). These rights may exist as natural rights or as legal rights, in both national and international law.

Which is more appropriate?

Im talking about people, who, when they hear one nasty comment think the whole world is out to get them and they are some brave soldier fighting against it.

Leeg17

Phil the Greek wrote: »

Byeeeeeeeeeee.

Don't let the doo... oh wait, too late.

/Pity.

Logical Fallacy

Gummy Panda wrote: »

How does the orgasm play a part in conception?

I assume vagina walls spasm helps delivery

If sex didn't feel good, people wouldn't have it.

Do you really think so many people would have kids if the process of getting knocked up itself wasn't so enjoyable?

It's the same reason why peak physical enjoyment for a man comes with ejaculation, which is designed to occur in the sexually immature male sooner than the female, if the female peaks at all.

PucaMama wrote: »

Im talking about people, who, when they hear one nasty comment think the whole world is out to get them and they are some brave soldier fighting against it.

No offence, but is that not what you are doing in this thread?

Lawrence1895

mango salsa wrote: »

It is important to distinguish between attitudes and beliefs and structures that reinforce homophobia. In this case it seems like the education system is reinforcing it and teaching it rather than just what a few people think or believe.

You are right there. But it's always the way, we are brought up, at home or in school. We learn from what we see, and some of us go the same route as their parents, for example, others choose their own way of thinking.

Pushtrak

PucaMama wrote: »

Im talking about people, who, when they hear one nasty comment think the whole world is out to get them and they are some brave soldier fighting against it.

I'd say they think more of the world are out to get them than who aren't. And I'd say they'd probably be right. Also, do you think it is wrong of them to campaign for equal rights? Or, on campaigning to receive them? For instance, gay marriage, and gay adoption.

When you recognise how people feel about these issues, if you think about it, you might see why they feel that so many are out to get them. In the form of voting against such policies should they come up in a public vote. Yes, voting against peoples interests is working against them by any proper measure.

fran17

SocSocPol wrote: »

Well it is apparently acceptable when a man does it with a woman.
Also I note the sexist nature of your post, so only men can be gay?
What is really offensive is that medical professionals are being trained to believe this crap, medical professionals that may end up working in our hospitals.

no its not acceptable when a man does it to anyone because the human body is not naturally designed for that kind of activity,that is a fact.in the case of lesbians,they are pretty limited to what bodily activities they can do to one another.im in no way trying to be sexist,but i dont take your comment personally because i'd imagine you dont have much time for anything any man would say

old_aussie

Bring back the Flintstones.

Gummy Panda

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Gummy Panda wrote: »

How does the orgasm play a part in conception?

I assume vagina walls spasm helps delivery

If sex didn't feel good, people wouldn't have it.

Do you really think so many people would have kids if the process of getting knocked up itself wasn't so enjoyable?

Would natural instinct not override like most animals?

PucaMama

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Gummy Panda wrote: »

How does the orgasm play a part in conception?

I assume vagina walls spasm helps delivery

If sex didn't feel good, people wouldn't have it.

Do you really think so many people would have kids if the process of getting knocked up itself wasn't so enjoyable?

It's the same reason why peak physical enjoyment for a man comes with ejaculation, which is designed to occur in the sexually immature male sooner than the female, if the female peaks at all.

PucaMama wrote: »

Im talking about people, who, when they hear one nasty comment think the whole world is out to get them and they are some brave soldier fighting against it.

No offence, but is that not what you are doing in this thread?

No im just trying to talk these thoughts out of my head. I love my sister. Want to get all this out of my system and get on with things.

Pushtrak

Oh, those who say homosexuality isn't natural... Er, http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/20718.aspx.

Logical Fallacy

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Would natural instinct not override like most animals?

Maybe, maybe not.

It's pretty hard to say that animals do or don't enjoy sex I reckon.

apache

Gummy Panda wrote: »

Would natural instinct not override like most animals?

yeah tell that to the knacker in her caravan with 16 kids without a penny waiting for hubby francis johnny john joe to come home and have more "enjoyable" sex.

Logical Fallacy

PucaMama wrote: »

No im just trying to talk these thoughts out of my head. I love my sister. Want to get all this out of my system and get on with things.

Well if you want to give your argument I'll debate it with you, I won't call you a big of a homophobe or any of that stuff either.

Can't speak for other people in the thread though.:)

SocSocPol

fran17 wrote: »

no its not acceptable when a man does it to anyone because the human body is not naturally designed for that kind of activity,that is a fact.in the case of lesbians,they are pretty limited to what bodily activities they can do to one another.im in no way trying to be sexist,but i dont take your comment personally because i'd imagine you dont have much time for anything any man would say

If it is legal,and both parties are consenting then how can you say that it is not acceptable? It is certainly acceptable to vast tracts of human society.

galwayrush

This thread is like something that was dug up from the 50's for a laugh,sorry make that the 70's / 80/s . At least we all mind our own business nowdays and let people live their own lives,:rolleyes:

PucaMama

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

PucaMama wrote: »

No im just trying to talk these thoughts out of my head. I love my sister. Want to get all this out of my system and get on with things.

Well if you want to give your argument I'll debate it with you, I won't call you a big of a homophobe or any of that stuff either.

Can't speak for other people in the thread though.:)

Well my only thought was that please stop thinking we are all out to get them and hate them cus we dont and its not nice to hear it.

Thats about as exciting as my opinion gets tho.

fran17

syklops wrote: »

Neither does the hand. So masterbation is unnatural now?

i guess when you cant defend the indefensible you have to come up with something eh...

AndyTheDude

paddyandy wrote: »

Being 'GAY' is'nt natural at all .The body is'nt designed for their behaviour but the 'gay' industry with money the prime consideration is behind it and supports them . The bum was'nt made for it .The sale of Anal preparations to 'qUEERS' sHOULD BE ENOUGH PROOF .

Leeg17 wrote: »

Banned.

Next sign of homophobic posting earns a person a ban and the thread's getting locked.

Classic.
Don't you dare to express your 'not so PC' opinion. You'll get silenced quickly. Now, let's dig a deep hole in the ground and stone paddyandy to death.

Lawrence1895

This thread will be locked soon...very soon

El Weirdo

AndyTheDude wrote: »

Classic.
Don't you dare to express your 'not so PC' opinion. You'll get silenced quickly. Now, let's dig a deep hole in the ground and stone paddyandy to death.

If you have a problem with a mod's action, I suggest you take it to PM rather than derail the thread.

Pushtrak

fran17 wrote: »

i guess when you cant defend the indefensible you have to come up with something eh...

fran17 wrote: »

i probably would'nt have worded it the same but is his point not correct.the rectum does not produce a natural lubricant for this kind of activity,so how is it natural?

Could you enlighten us on your definition of natural?

Pushtrak wrote: »

Oh, those who say homosexuality isn't natural... Er, http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/20718.aspx.

dr.bollocko

AndyTheDude wrote: »

Classic.
Don't you dare to express your 'not so PC' opinion. You'll get silenced quickly. Now, let's dig a deep hole in the ground and stone paddyandy to death.

Just to clarify. If you want to make an uninformed nonsensical homphobic rant your post will not be entertained and you will be removed from the forum.

If you can provide a reasonable platform for a debate on the issue that is a different story.

"Not so PC" opinion? It's homophobic drivel. There's a difference between moronic comments and "not so PC" opinion.

However. the difference is all too often lost on people.

fran17

SocSocPol wrote: »

If it is legal,and both parties are consenting then how can you say that it is not acceptable? It is certainly acceptable to vast tracts of human society.

because thats my opinion and also natures.if that activity was ment to be the human body would have developed to accommodate it.and those tracts of society are not ones i'd be familiar with or would recommend

apache

i got a warning - i think it was for using the "k" word? not sure - but hey i'm gay so it all evens out.

Annasopra

Seriously lads - get over the anal obsession - straight guys do it with their girlfriends and lots of gay guys don't.

Pushtrak

fran17 wrote: »

because thats my opinion and also natures.if that activity was ment to be the human body would have developed to accommodate it.and those tracts of society are not ones i'd be familiar with or would recommend

See my previous post about nature. All manner of things are natural. Volcanoes, earthquakes, floods. Medicinal treatments aren't natural, yet are desirable. So, natural/unnatural isn't a measure for anything.

SocSocPol

fran17 wrote: »

because thats my opinion and also natures.if that activity was ment to be the human body would have developed to accommodate it.and those tracts of society are not ones i'd be familiar with or would recommend

You have every right to express your opinion, however I must question your right to presume that you are entitled to speak for "nature", whatever that it is.

apache

the whole thing is a bit silly until one has the "descriminating document" in their hands and can actually read what it says in its entirety without taking things out of context.
i need to see to believe. i generally don't live my life on he said, she said....

El Weirdo

fran17 wrote: »

because thats my opinion and also natures.if that activity was ment to be the human body would have developed to accommodate it.and those tracts of society are not ones i'd be familiar with or would recommend

I take it you don't fly in planes or wear clothes?

Pushtrak

apache wrote: »

the whole thing is a bit silly until one has the "descriminating document" in their hands and can actually read what it says in its entirety without taking things out of context.

The document is just a springboard for discussion. There is plenty on the topic to be discussed without need to appeal to this particular document. In fact, that is what is happening, with people calling homosexuality unnatural. So, it has become its own discussion.

Edit:

"One fundamental premise in social debates has been that homosexuality is unnatural. This premise is wrong. Homosexuality is both common and highly essential in the lives of a number of species," explains Petter Boeckman, who is the academic advisor for the "Against Nature's Order?" exhibition.

The most well-known homosexual animal is the dwarf chimpanzee, one of humanity's closes relatives. The entire species is bisexual. Sex plays an conspicuous role in all their activities and takes the focus away from violence, which is the most typical method of solving conflicts among primates and many other animals.

apache

Pushtrak wrote: »

The document is just a springboard for discussion. There is plenty on the topic to be discussed without need to appeal to this particular document. In fact, that is what is happening, with people calling homosexuality unnatural. So, it has become its own discussion.

oh i see. ok carry on.
i suppose i'm one of those people who dosen't really care what people say and don't get offended too easily. a healthy debate on both sides is good though.

Logical Fallacy

fran17 wrote: »

i guess when you cant defend the indefensible you have to come up with something eh...

Actually, it's a valid point, based off the apparent definition of natural you provided.

You inability to continue with your argument speaks volumes.

Annasopra

Pushtrak wrote: »

The document is just a springboard for discussion. There is plenty on the topic to be discussed without need to appeal to this particular document. In fact, that is what is happening, with people calling homosexuality unnatural. So, it has become its own discussion.

Edit:

I don't this is serious or real discussion - just people talking at each other rather than talking to each other or with each other

apache

mango salsa wrote: »

I don't this is serious or real discussion - just people talking at each other rather than talking to each other or with each other

i would agree so i will bow out. its all a bit silly really.

btard

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

lol, you don't read AH much do you?

Enough to know that he was going to get banned for expressing that opinion. I don't hold or agree with his opinion, but I'd prefer if posters were allowed to express their opinions without fear of banning.

hooradiation

btard wrote: »

Enough to know that he was going to get banned for expressing that opinion. I don't hold or agree with his opinion, but I'd prefer if posters were allowed to express their opinions without fear of banning.

Maybe he can learn to structure his opinion a manner that isn't amazingly stupid?

Just putting it out there.

toexpress

stimpson wrote: »

I blame the Greeks. They invented gayness.

and god bless them for it I say

Logical Fallacy

btard wrote: »

Enough to know that he was going to get banned for expressing that opinion. I don't hold or agree with his opinion, but I'd prefer if posters were allowed to express their opinions without fear of banning.

I'd much prefer a well placed ban to let people know to express themselves in a decent manner. Banging on about "queers" is just boring.

El Weirdo

btard wrote: »

Enough to know that he was going to get banned for expressing that opinion. I don't hold or agree with his opinion, but I'd prefer if posters were allowed to express their opinions without fear of banning.

Once again. This is not the place to discuss moderators' actions. If you have a problem with any actions taken, take it to Helpdesk instead of further derailing this thread.

Next one gets a ban.

Chucken

From the end of the article (the bit nobody read )

Anger has been intensified by the fact that the teaching material went unchallenged for 10 years despite reviews by leading Polish medical scientists.

Agnieszka Kozlowska-Rajewicz, who holds the role of Plenipotentiary for Equal Treatment in the Polish government, said the course content was "unacceptable".

She added that she had written to the health ministry calling for its teaching to end immediately.

The health ministry said it would initiate a review of the teaching material with the aim of bringing it up to date but this could take some time because of legal procedures.

Pushtrak

Chucken wrote: »

From the end of the article (the bit nobody read )

The health ministry said it would initiate a review of the teaching material with the aim of bringing it up to date but this could take some time because of legal procedures.

From the entire thread (the bit you didn't read )

This thread has been some people calling homosexuality unnatural. And people have been responding to that. Not directly to the article.

SocSocPol

Chucken wrote: »

From the end of the article (the bit nobody read )

Anger has been intensified by the fact that the teaching material went unchallenged for 10 years despite reviews by leading Polish medical scientists.

Agnieszka Kozlowska-Rajewicz, who holds the role of Plenipotentiary for Equal Treatment in the Polish government, said the course content was "unacceptable".

She added that she had written to the health ministry calling for its teaching to end immediately.

The health ministry said it would initiate a review of the teaching material with the aim of bringing it up to date but this could take some time because of legal procedures.

So they have been teaching medical professionals this crap for the whole of the 21st century and they dont intend changing it anytime soon, great!
Says a lot about Poland , that and the monkey chants they aimed at the Dutch players!

Chucken

Pushtrak wrote: »

From the entire thread (the bit you didn't read )

This thread has been some people calling homosexuality unnatural. And people have been responding to that. Not directly to the article.

Yes Im aware of whats being said. I thought I might bring the thread back on topic.

Chucken

SocSocPol wrote: »

So they have been teaching medical professionals this crap for the whole of the 21st century and they dont intend changing it anytime soon, great!
Says a lot about Poland , that and the monkey chants they aimed at the Dutch players!

Sorry you've lost me there. I didnt see anything in the article about Dutch players