Homosexuals are as bad as rapists, Polish nurses taught

Nodin

SocSocPol wrote: »

So they have been teaching medical professionals this crap for the whole of the 21st century and they dont intend changing it anytime soon, great!
Says a lot about Poland , that and the monkey chants they aimed at the Dutch players!

A society with negative elements? In Europe? I outraged!!!111!!!!!

Logical Fallacy

Chucken wrote: »

Sorry you've lost me there. I didnt see anything in the article about Dutch players

Black members of the Dutch national squad were subjected to monkey chants at their open training session in preparation for the Euro's.

forfuxsake

Being gay isn't natural*..to me. It seems that it is perfectly natural for others and that it exactly none of my fúckin' business.

As regards Poland, they are still controlled by the teachings of the RC church. Most young Poles don't feel that homosexuality is wrong, most older Irish people do.






*Obviously I mean two men. Two beautiful young girls exploring each others' bodies is something beautiful and the most natural thing in the world and I'm away to study it some more.

fran17

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Actually, it's a valid point, based off the apparent definition of natural you provided.

You inability to continue with your argument speaks volumes.

you use the word logical in your name but agree that comparing masterbation to a man sticking his penis up another mans rectum is a valid point.think that speaks volumes about you mate

Madam_X

What about a man sticking his penis up a woman's bum?

PucaMama

Onixx wrote: »

What about a man sticking his penis up a woman's bum?

Is there a need to be vulgar?

Nodin

Onixx wrote: »

What about a man sticking his penis up a woman's bum?

Now you know that the heterosexual male is the least sleazy creature in creation. Should he do such a thing, I'm sure it was with good intentions.

Nodin

PucaMama wrote: »

Is there a need to be vulgar?

That wasn't vulgar.

Chucken

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Black members of the Dutch national squad were subjected to monkey chants at their open training session in preparation for the Euro's.

I fail to see what that has to with the article being debated.

I cant wait until tomorrow when the Spain bashing threads start

Logical Fallacy

fran17 wrote: »

you use the word logical in your name but agree that comparing masterbation to a man sticking his penis up another mans rectum is a valid point.think that speaks volumes about you mate

And once again you avoid the very argument that you yourself made.

I am not comparing anything, you stated that for anal sex to be natural there would be some kind of natural lubricant.

It was pointed out that other forms of sex, often seen as acceptable by those who dislike the concept of homosexuality, occur without the "natural lubricant" that you mentioned.

I never agreed that comparing masturbation to a man sticking his penis up another mans rectum is valid, simply because one is sexual intercourse with a partner, the other is masturbation.

You are the one who started the connection between the mechanic of natural sex and the required qualifier of a natural lubricant. A point which you have steadily distanced yourself from since you made it.

Once again, this speaks volumes about your argument and it's sustainability.

Finally, the veiled personal attack and the misinterpretation and misrepresentation of what I said are both logical fallacies. I'll maintain the element of surprise and you can look up what types for yourself though.

Madam_X

PucaMama wrote: »

Is there a need to be vulgar?

I just asked it in response to the person who said a man doing same with a man isn't natural. If you find the word "bum" vulgar, I suggest you avoid Paul McCartney's Frog Chorus.

Gbear

What's natural or unnatural isn't relevant. Homosexuality doesn't actually do any harm.

You don't have a right for there not to be gays.
But gay people do have the right to love whoever they wish.

It's "yuck response" infantile bull**** and we need to get beyond that first instinct as a race.

The government is there to serve all of it's citizens and only block them from doing things when what they do infringes upon the rights of others.

Annasopra

SocSocPol wrote: »

So they have been teaching medical professionals this crap for the whole of the 21st century and they dont intend changing it anytime soon, great!
Says a lot about Poland , that and the monkey chants they aimed at the Dutch players!

In fairness - as I pointed out already - let's not resort to broad generalisations and stereotypes - Poland has an openly gay and the Worlds only openly trans MP - I mean - you could take some of the bigoted statements in here and say "says a lot about Ireland" - But I know most Irish people are actually quite sensible and liberal really.

SocSocPol

mango salsa wrote: »

In fairness - as I pointed out already - let's not resort to broad generalisations and stereotypes - Poland has an openly gay and the Worlds only openly trans MP - I mean - you could take some of the bigoted statements in here and say "says a lot about Ireland" - But I know most Irish people are actually quite sensible and liberal really.

True enough, guilty of a little intolerance therer myself:o.

Pushtrak

forfuxsake wrote: »

Being gay isn't natural*..to me.

What we do isn't a measure of what is natural. What occurs in nature is.

fran17 wrote: »

you use the word logical in your name but agree that comparing masterbation to a man sticking his penis up another mans rectum is a valid point.think that speaks volumes about you mate

Again: Give a proper definition of natural as you understand it, and perhaps explain how the 1500 members of the animal kingdom are behaving unnaturally.

"One fundamental premise in social debates has been that homosexuality is unnatural. This premise is wrong. Homosexuality is both common and highly essential in the lives of a number of species," explains Petter Boeckman, who is the academic advisor for the "Against Nature's Order?" exhibition.

The most well-known homosexual animal is the dwarf chimpanzee, one of humanity's closes relatives. The entire species is bisexual. Sex plays an conspicuous role in all their activities and takes the focus away from violence, which is the most typical method of solving conflicts among primates and many other animals.

fran17

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

And once again you avoid the very argument that you yourself made.

I am not comparing anything, you stated that for anal sex to be natural there would be some kind of natural lubricant.

It was pointed out that other forms of sex, often seen as acceptable by those who dislike the concept of homosexuality, occur without the "natural lubricant" that you mentioned.

I never agreed that comparing masturbation to a man sticking his penis up another mans rectum is valid, simply because one is sexual intercourse with a partner, the other is masturbation.

You are the one who started the connection between the mechanic of natural sex and the required qualifier of a natural lubricant. A point which you have steadily distanced yourself from since you made it.

Once again, this speaks volumes about your argument and it's sustainability.

Finally, the veiled personal attack and the misinterpretation and misrepresentation of what I said are both logical fallacies. I'll maintain the element of surprise and you can look up what types for yourself though.

jebus christ my point is that if the body was ment to have things stuck up its back passage it would accommodate it naturally,but it dont.ye in the gay lobby really do have a counter arguement for everything

Gbear

fran17 wrote: »

jebus christ my point is that if the body was ment to have things stuck up its back passage it would accommodate it naturally,but it dont.ye in the gay lobby really do have a counter arguement for everything

And ye in the homophobic lobby have no arguments whatsoever.

fran17

Pushtrak wrote: »

What we do isn't a measure of what is natural. What occurs in nature is.

Again: Give a proper definition of natural as you understand it, and perhaps explain how the 1500 members of the animal kingdom are behaving unnaturally.

the dwarf chimpanzee! your priceless:D

Logical Fallacy

fran17 wrote: »

jebus christ my point is that if the body was ment to have things stuck up its back passage it would accommodate it naturally,but it dont.ye in the gay lobby really do have a counter arguement for everything

So why do you feel your point does not apply to other forms of none vaginal sex?

Pushtrak

fran17 wrote: »

the dwarf chimpanzee! your priceless:D

http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/20718.aspx 1500 animal species unnatural?

Ellis Dee

Some people who are deeply mired in prejudice, especially religious prejudice, are impermeable to reason. Trying to make them change their mind by means of logically presented arguments is a waste of time.:rolleyes::rolleyes:

Teaching them that there is, actually, a considerable difference between a homosexual and a rapist has to be tangible and should be done in two steps::D

Step 1: The nurse has to spend a night locked into a small room with a homosexual man.:):)

Step 2: She has to spend the second night locked into the same small room with a convicted rapist.;);)

I'm pretty sure she'd change her mind about a few things.:cool:

Min

Aquila wrote: »

Has any of you read this document?
Rather than taking a sindo reporters words as gospel?

No, but then a newspaper wouldn't do this next thing they will be posting articles about how life on the dole for a Polish woman is like a Hawaiian massage... and how Donegal is a ****hole.

Oh yeah, they did that false story already...

humbert

Why do people think whether gayness/sodomy is natural is key to whether it is 'right' or 'wrong'?

People attacking it on the basis that it is unnatural is just as stupid as people defending it in trying to assert that it's natural.

eviltwin

Lots of things straight couples do could be called "unnatural" too....

Ciaran0

Pedant wrote: »

Can someone come up with a better gay joke than that.

What do you call a gay bar with no stools??

A fruit stand

Pedant

phill106 wrote: »

I would but it would be a pain in the ass...

Well you see that can't be applied to all gay people either because (a) not all gay people are men and (b) quite a large portion of gay men either don't like to be bottomed or don't like anal sex at all.

You have to come up with something that applies to all gay people.

Madam_X

AndyTheDude wrote: »

Classic.
Don't you dare to express your 'not so PC' opinion. You'll get silenced quickly. Now, let's dig a deep hole in the ground and stone paddyandy to death.

Surely the banning was for the inflammatory and hate-filled language rather than the expressing of an opinion? This site doesn't strike me as a place where controversial opinions are silenced at all.

As for the article, it would be unfair and hypocritical to use it to attack Polish society in general, but "worse than rapists"? It's hardly indicative of a persecution complex for gay people to find this deeply objectionable.

Pedant

Ciaran0 wrote: »

What do you call a gay bar with no stools??

A fruit stand

One of the funniest gay jokes I've ever heard came from a woman by the name of Anita Bryant who was an anti-gay campaigner during the 1970s. At a particular press conference she was giving a gay man came up to her and threw a pie into her face. Afterwards she said "Well at least it's a fruit pie." Here's the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kC__Q0yhDkk

Madam_X

fran17 wrote: »

jebus christ my point is that if the body was ment to have things stuck up its back passage it would accommodate it naturally,but it dont.ye in the gay lobby really do have a counter arguement for everything

Of course it accommodates it - you just stick it in.
Really don't see any "gay lobby" stuff - just responses to your comments. Would you prefer if people said nothing?
By the way, just to ask my earlier question again: what about a man anally penetrating a woman?

mcmoustache

fran17 wrote: »

jebus christ my point is that if the body was ment to have things stuck up its back passage it would accommodate it naturally,but it dont.ye in the gay lobby really do have a counter arguement for everything

I think you'll find that the back passage is perfectly amenable to having objects inserted into it so it would appear to "accommodate it naturally". Why just last week I smuggled a monopoly boardgame into Mountjoy for a developer friend but that's beside the point.

Whether something is natural or not doesn't matter. You're not natural and neither am I. I was born via c-section, raised on food that I didn't kill or gather, I wear synthetic clothes and glasses, I travel in metallic mechanical vehicles and I listen to music which is no more than '1's and '0's. In fact, right now I'm communicating via a keyboard. In fact, if you show a keyboard to an animal, it won't have a clue as to what it is or what to do with it.

The point you were trying to make is, er, pointless.

Gummy Panda

mcmoustache wrote: »

I think you'll find that the back passage is perfectly amenable to having objects inserted into it so it would appear to "accommodate it naturally". Why just last week I smuggled a monopoly boardgame into Mountjoy for a developer friend but that's beside the point.
.

If hardcore has taught me anything, its anything short of a traffic cone can fit up a girls ass

Ciaran0

mcmoustache wrote: »

I think you'll find that the back passage is perfectly amenable to having objects inserted into it so it would appear to "accommodate it naturally". Why just last week I smuggled a monopoly boardgame into Mountjoy for a developer friend but that's beside the point.

Whether something is natural or not doesn't matter. You're not natural and neither am I. I was born via c-section, raised on food that I didn't kill or gather, I wear synthetic clothes and glasses, I travel in metallic mechanical vehicles and I listen to music which is no more than '1's and '0's. In fact, right now I'm communicating via a keyboard. In fact, if you show a keyboard to an animal, it won't have a clue as to what it is or what to do with it.

The point you were trying to make is, er, pointless.

+1. Really excellent point. People say homosexuality isn't natural, but fail to realise that almost everything human's do is unnatural!! And it's funny because Homosexuality actually is completely natural. It's been observed in around 1500 different species

mcmoustache

Gummy Panda wrote: »

If hardcore has taught me anything, its anything short of a traffic cone can fit up a girls ass

It's almost as if God intended it.

Augmerson

Indo is a rag.

prinz

Gummy Panda wrote: »

If hardcore has taught me anything, its anything short of a traffic cone can fit up a girls ass

Seen it. *yawn*.

fran17

Pushtrak wrote: »

http://www.news-medical.net/news/2006/10/23/20718.aspx 1500 animal species unnatural?

then aint it about time the human race evolved past these beastly acts?

fran17

Onixx wrote: »

Of course it accommodates it - you just stick it in.
Really don't see any "gay lobby" stuff - just responses to your comments. Would you prefer if people said nothing?
By the way, just to ask my earlier question again: what about a man anally penetrating a woman?

not in the least,everyone is entitled to an opinion on anything.i made my opinion on anal sex between anyone male or female known in an earlier post

Shenshen

fran17 wrote: »

then aint it about time the human race evolved past these beastly acts?

Why would they, it's enjoyable after all? Will you suggest we evolve past such beastly acts as touching each other and snuggling up to someone we like next?

fran17

Shenshen wrote: »

Why would they, it's enjoyable after all? Will you suggest we evolve past such beastly acts as touching each other and snuggling up to someone we like next?

well if you enjoy it then i cant really say you dont.but i cant really see the link between "snuggling" and buggering though?

Sound of Silence

btard wrote: »

You are not allowed to air this point of view on here. Only pc views and opinions are welcome. I'm sure someone will be along shortly to point out the error of your ways and silence you. If you want a balanced or reasoned debate go else where. Enjoy your day.

He was hardly using that pathetic bile to preface a balanced argument.

Shenshen

fran17 wrote: »

well if you enjoy it then i cant really say you dont.but i cant really see the link between "snuggling" and buggering though?

Both are forms of intimate physical contact, with no function other than making the people involved feel good.
Why would you think it would be a good thing if humanity evolved past either?

fran17

Shenshen wrote: »

Both are forms of intimate physical contact, with no function other than making the people involved feel good.
Why would you think it would be a good thing if humanity evolved past either?

i'd imagine only one of the two involved would feel good,the other feeling like he needs to sit on a bag of ice.have to sign off now,go do some manly things like watch football and eat red meat...

Shenshen

fran17 wrote: »

i'd imagine only one of the two involved would feel good,the other feeling like he needs to sit on a bag of ice.have to sign off now,go do some manly things like watch football and eat red meat...

So it's because of your lack of imagination that you wish for the rest of humanity to change?
Wow.