Applied Maths course in 3 days (suggestions)

jos360

So I finish my last exam on the 19th (Chem) and I think I might sit the applied maths exam on the 21st.

I know nothing about the subject and I'm only going to give myself the 2 days to study.

I do HL Physics and Maths to A1 standard and I was just wondering if anyone could suggest the easiest six questions to do on the paper for someone who does phys and maths?

I know I probably won't get an A but my aim is a low B in two days just as a challenge (sad I know...)

Thx

_LilyRose_

Wouldn't have a clue but if it's remotely possible, go for it! Sounds like fun and you might be glad of the points if you do well in it and something else goes drastically wrong!

Wesc.

Haha, I say you should try it!

Firstly there are 10 questions on the paper each carrying 50 marks..

Question 1 you might know from Physics it's Accelerated Linear Motion... it's regarded as an easy enough question so you should try that

Question 10 is Calculus.. you'll know this from Maths Paper 1! Again, this is a very nice question.

Question 3 and 5 (Projectiles and Collisions) are also quite easy to get marks in.. they both require you to use the same formulae and methods over and over again! So it's easy to pick up marks there.

I'd recommend you to look at questions 2, 4 and 8 aswell..

Question 8 requires you to know 3 proofs which will be an easy 20 marks for you.

Questions 2 and 4 are also good questions but they'd take longer to cover! In question 2 there are many aspects you have to cover and it can be confusing to teach by yourself. So I'd choose question 4... it has some overlap with Physics because it involves Newton's forces of motion.




So there you go! I think you should pick questions 1,3,4,5,8 and 10! Good luck

Incompetent

This makes me feel better about leaving my study untill after physics!

Elvis_Presley

subz3r0 wrote: »

I'm not doing Applied Maths, but a low B in 2 days? I say no, lay off the bravado and be more realistic. If you get a high D, low C I'd still call that a massive achievement.
Good luck though! But if you didnt register for it, can you even sit it now?

Not true at all. A good aptitude for maths and physics, a few days hard work and its entirely possible. Pull the finger out and give it a go! It's not a difficult course, the questions are pretty similar year to year. GIve it a go OP, let us know how it goes. It's been a while since i sat it, so I can't really give you advice on questions. Good luck!

Stalin and rugby

Don't be ridiculous, what you're saying is impossible. I'm just being realistic

acorn1702

I agree with Stalin above, You might be able to pass it or get a even get a C because of the forgiving marking scheme but there is no way you could get a B, it just wouldn't be possible even if you started now..

Just to humour you, the questions that I do are 1,2,3,4,5 and 10. Linear accelerated motion, Relative/Resultant velocity, Projectiles, Newton's laws, Collisions and Diff' equations.

ehshup

if you go to thephysicsteacher.ie and for the days before, go through a ton of each type of question, you'd have a chance, if you have a very strong understanding of maths and mechanics.i'm not sure if i'd reccomend spending too much time on q4, the wedge questions took me ages to get the hang of.
I'd say try 1,2,3,4,5 and 10. That said q6 has a small crossover with physics but sure you might as well have a go, if you have nothing else to be doing!

jos360

Thanks to everyone for taking the time to reply.
I was just talking to the headmaster and he's gonna register me for it tomorrow. ( I think he's still sitting in his office like WTF? because he knows I haven't done any prep)

I know it woud be impossible to take up a subject like ag science or something, but there isn't a lot I need to learn and I'm comfortable teaching myself since I did a lot of my honors maths myself.

I've aslo done some extra curricular physics things which involved a lot of problem solving that wasn't on the physics course so I'm pretty good at figuring out how to do things I don't know how to if that makes any sense?

Finally, when I say 2 days to prepare, I mean like 28 hours (same time as 42 app maths classes)
19th : eight hours after chem exam
20th : twelve to fourteen hours
And I'll do an all-nighter one of the nights for another 8 hours

Hopefully, I can get a better mark than my Irish exam which shouldn't be hard caus I'm doing pass. Ironic if I spend 12 years doing irish for 45 points and 2 days app maths for 75...

Also, just to clarify, I'm not doing it because I need the points, I have 7 other good honors subjects (I'm not that stupid )

Thanks, and if anyone has any more advice I'd greatly appreciate it

reznov

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jos360

_LilyRose_ wrote: »

Wouldn't have a clue but if it's remotely possible, go for it! Sounds like fun and you might be glad of the points if you do well in it and something else goes drastically wrong!

Wesc. wrote: »

Haha, I say you should try it!
Firstly there are 10 questions on the paper each carrying 50 marks..

Incompetent wrote: »

This makes me feel better about leaving my study untill after physics!

Elvis_Presley wrote: »

Not true at all. A good aptitude for maths and physics, a few days hard work and its entirely possible. Pull the finger out and give it a go! It's not a difficult course, the questions are pretty similar year to year. GIve it a go OP, let us know how it goes. It's been a while since i sat it, so I can't really give you advice on questions. Good luck!

ehshup wrote: »

if you go to thephysicsteacher.ie and for the days before, go through a ton of each type of question, you'd have a chance, if you have a very strong understanding of maths and mechanics.i'm not sure if i'd reccomend spending too much time on q4, the wedge questions took me ages to get the hang of.
I'd say try 1,2,3,4,5 and 10. That said q6 has a small crossover with physics but sure you might as well have a go, if you have nothing else to be doing!

Thanks, thanks, thanks and thanks

Stalin and rugby wrote: »

Don't be ridiculous, what you're saying is impossible. I'm just being realistic

acorn1702 wrote: »

I agree with Stalin above, You might be able to pass it or get a even get a C because of the forgiving marking scheme but there is no way you could get a B, it just wouldn't be possible even if you started now..

Just to humour you, the questions that I do are 1,2,3,4,5 and 10. Linear accelerated motion, Relative/Resultant velocity, Projectiles, Newton's laws, Collisions and Diff' equations.

FaoiSin

Hey guys I'm a solid D3 in Honours Maths and I've a good understanding of Junior Cert Physics. Do you think I could also take on this challenge?

Wesc.

YeaaahFaoiSin wrote: »

Hey guys I'm a solid D3 in Honours Maths and I've a good understanding of Junior Cert Physics. Do you think I could also take on this challenge?

Probably not no

Wanchor

I had this idea about 3 weeks ago and I picked up Applied Maths under the exact same notions as yourself, good at maths and physics. I got a book and studied it for about a week in among the other subjects and I have covered enough for questions 1,2,3,4,5 and 10. That being said I haven't looked at it in over two weeks so I'll see how it goes. If you are going to do it, you may have to apply for an exam paper which could be too late at this point because my principal said I was lucky that I applied on the day I did as the SEC weren't accepting any new additions. Get yourself a book, vectors are critical to Applied Maths and your physics book probably won't go indepth enough. Exam papers also, be sure to go over some of them and be aware of the marking scheme. I say go for it, I planning to blitz it the day before and I see no reason why you couldn't!

jos360

Wanchor wrote: »

I had this idea about 3 weeks ago and I picked up Applied Maths under the exact same notions as yourself, good at maths and physics. I got a book and studied it for about a week in among the other subjects and I have covered enough for questions 1,2,3,4,5 and 10. That being said I haven't looked at it in over two weeks so I'll see how it goes. If you are going to do it, you may have to apply for an exam paper which could be too late at this point because my principal said I was lucky that I applied on the day I did as the SEC weren't accepting any new additions. Get yourself a book, vectors are critical to Applied Maths and your physics book probably won't go indepth enough. Exam papers also, be sure to go over some of them and be aware of the marking scheme. I say go for it, I planning to blitz it the day before and I see no reason why you couldn't!

I don't think my idea is all that absurd. You had 3 weeks, but like you said, 3 weeks of doing a subject along with 7 others isn't the same as 3 weeks of only app maths. Two days for just one subject can be very efficient

My headmaster said he'll apply for me on Monday morning so hopefully I'm not too late. What happens if I'm not registered to sit it and I just go in and do one because the examiner wouldn't notice?

My friend said he won't be using his book 'fundamental applied maths' much before the exams so I can use that and I'll get the papers online.

Thanks for the support, and good luck with your's

reznov

I'm taking in 19 extra subjects and the SEC will be forced to reschedule exams to adequately deal with my request.

jos360

reznov wrote: »

I'm taking in 19 extra subjects and the SEC will be forced to reschedule exams to adequately deal with my request.

Dude, I get the point, you don't like my idea....
(Sounds like somebody hasn't enjoyed doing their leaving cert maths course :P)

jos360

And anyway, why would they be rescheduling? If it was an inconvenience to anyone I wouldn't do it.

reznov

jos360 wrote: »

Dude, I get the point, you don't like my idea....
(Sounds like somebody hasn't enjoyed doing their leaving cert maths course :P)

I actually have enjoyed it very much, but thank you for your concern.

They would reschedule because I'm a celebrity.

Elvis_Presley

One warning OP, if you leave us hanging on this and don't keep us updated after the exam and come results time, I will find you and I will kill you.

Eathrin

My friend tried that, he got 22%
Then again, he wasn't an A maths student, didn't do physics and only did 5 hours work on it:D

reznov

Eathrin wrote: »

My friend tried that, he got 22%
Then again, he wasn't an A maths student, didn't do physics and only did 5 hours work on it:D

Did he use it for points purpose? :pac:

ChemHickey

To be perfectly honest, I'd do what the OP would do if I didnt have music that thursday. But, in saying that, I don't have physics..

You're all lucky to be able to do both of those subjects...

Mani09

Go for it definitely !!!!!! If u really are an a or even b standard maths and physics student, then try. A 6th year in my school last year did applied maths but never went to class because it was before school. Honestly he went to lyk 5 classes. He had 4 days to study, so he did 8 hours every day and got a C1 (70 points), also he wasn't even a b standard maths student. Also applied maths test is the 22nd I think

Eathrin

reznov wrote: »

Did he use it for points purpose? :pac:

Actually yes, after he did badly in Maths he thought he could do better in A.Maths:D
Now it's on his college record that he failed A.maths. Silly lad.

Maybe_Memories

Do question 10. It's absolute piss.

Question 1 can be tricky but is basically mechanics from physics.

As is question 4.

I'd stay away from questions 6 and 8.

I've you've only got 2 days don't even go near 9.

3 is extremely straightforward.

2 can be tricky.

5 is nice, but not sure with only 2 days.



So, do 1,3,4,10 definitely. That's 66.6% if you get them out fully.

got 99% in Applied Maths in my LC.

Mani09

Maybe_Memories wrote: »

Do question 10. It's absolute piss.

Question 1 can be tricky but is basically mechanics from physics.

As is question 4.

I'd stay away from questions 6 and 8.

I've you've only got 2 days don't even go near 9.

3 is extremely straightforward.

2 can be tricky.

5 is nice, but not sure with only 2 days.



So, do 1,3,4,10 definitely. That's 66.6% if you get them out fully.

got 99% in Applied Maths in my LC.

It doesn't give u a percentage so how do you know?

acorn1702

Mani09 wrote: »

It doesn't give u a percentage so how do you know?

He probably viewed his script, as I plan to do for mine.

jos360

Elvis_Presley wrote: »

One warning OP, if you leave us hanging on this and don't keep us updated after the exam and come results time, I will find you and I will kill you.

Don't worry, my extra exam paper was ordered today,
Sh!ts going down!

Pepperr

jos360 wrote: »

Don't worry, my extra exam paper was ordered today,
Sh!ts going down!

I hope it goes well for you, but in all fairness you are trying to get a whole honours course done in 3 days, even with your experience in physics and maths if you are going into this with only you can teach yourself in the 3 days I would be surprised if you even manage to pass.

In saying that though, I think the ones closest to what you have done already would be Q1 and Q10, with the easiest to learn fresh being the collisions.

Good luck!

jos360

Pepperr wrote: »

I hope it goes well for you, but in all fairness you are trying to get a whole honours course done in 3 days, even with your experience in physics and maths if you are going into this with only you can teach yourself in the 3 days I would be surprised if you even manage to pass.

In saying that though, I think the ones closest to what you have done already would be Q1 and Q10, with the easiest to learn fresh being the collisions.

Good luck!

I didn't realise when I made this thread, I actually only have like a day and a half, not three.

Challenge accepted none the less
Thanks

amymak

If I were you, I'd get the methods from the book, but I'd move as quickly as I can to the exam questions. The questions generally repeat themselves to a certain extent, but it can be quite a big jump from the book to the exam questions.
(I would also suggest starting now and just spending maybe 15 minutes or so on it per night. Practice is key for the questions.)

nayrneleh

Good luck - I look forward to hearing how you got on!

MatthewRud

I'm an A/B student in Higher Maths, and the same in Physics. I struggle with Applied Maths. It is a bit of both, but at the same time it goes much further than both. Vectors in Applied Maths are everywhere, much more than in Physics. In-fact, vectors in Physics barely even get as tough as we learn on day one of Applied Maths. Furthermore, you have to be able to think in a specific way with Applied Maths, which can be difficult to adjust too from the beginning.

You're trying to do a 2 year course in 3 days. You would be lucky to get a C to be really honest. There is so much technique to the exam, and a particular method about approaching each question. The only good way to practice for the exam is to do past questions. I find the book to not be much help.

Each question taking about 20 minutes, you would really need a lot of time to familiarize yourself with all of the possible scenarios in 3 days. Typically, I would do the past 10 years of exam papers for each question, and at that you haven't dealt with every possibility.

People really do underestimate Applied Maths. Some people are great at it from the beginning. Others like me do fine, but struggle at times. Marking schemes don't tell you what you've done wrong, and often skip a lot of steps. If you can't go into your teacher to ask for help or what you've missed, your going to be in trouble. Lot to do in 3 days. My advice would probably be to scrap the text book altogether. Use resources like physicsteacher and skoool.ie. Then hit the exam papers.

jos360

amymak wrote: »

(I would also suggest starting now and just spending maybe 15 minutes or so on it per night. Practice is key for the questions.)

Not starting until Tuesday is part of the challenge

jos360

MatthewRud wrote: »

I'm an A/B student in Higher Maths, and the same in Physics. I struggle with Applied Maths. It is a bit of both, but at the same time it goes much further than both. Vectors in Applied Maths are everywhere, much more than in Physics. In-fact, vectors in Physics barely even get as tough as we learn on day one of Applied Maths. Furthermore, you have to be able to think in a specific way with Applied Maths, which can be difficult to adjust too from the beginning.

You're trying to do a 2 year course in 3 days. You would be lucky to get a C to be really honest. There is so much technique to the exam, and a particular method about approaching each question. The only good way to practice for the exam is to do past questions. I find the book to not be much help.

Each question taking about 20 minutes, you would really need a lot of time to familiarize yourself with all of the possible scenarios in 3 days. Typically, I would do the past 10 years of exam papers for each question, and at that you haven't dealt with every possibility.

People really do underestimate Applied Maths. Some people are great at it from the beginning. Others like me do fine, but struggle at times. Marking schemes don't tell you what you've done wrong, and often skip a lot of steps. If you can't go into your teacher to ask for help or what you've missed, your going to be in trouble. Lot to do in 3 days. My advice would probably be to scrap the text book altogether. Use resources like physicsteacher and skoool.ie. Then hit the exam papers.

Yea I might just flick through the book for a few hours and then just hit the papers. If it were any other subject I wouldn't fear of doing it but I'v done a lot more of this type of stuff than just my leaving cert courses and I can learn it pretty quickly. Also, I've never failed an exam in my life (maybe Im just good at not turning up to hard exams ), so I won't start anytime soon hopefully!

Also, our physics teacher is really into his subject so he rarely does the actual syllabus and just does other things with us. In other words, vectors are very much covered :P

I was planning to use physicsteacher and I've a few people on physicsfourms who could probably help if I get really stuck (they don't sleep much).
Didn't think of skool.ie tho, thanks for that
Good luck with the rest of your exams

ducky195

Go for it man haha
I do HL maths and physics and am hoping for A's in both. Applied Maths isnt to bad and after Chemistry its all il be doing aswell. If the paper goes your way you could end up with a low B or a high C

MegGustaa

jos360 wrote: »

So I finish my last exam on the 19th (Chem) and I think I might sit the applied maths exam on the 21st.

I know nothing about the subject and I'm only going to give myself the 2 days to study.

I do HL Physics and Maths to A1 standard and I was just wondering if anyone could suggest the easiest six questions to do on the paper for someone who does phys and maths?

I know I probably won't get an A but my aim is a low B in two days just as a challenge (sad I know...)

Thx

First response to this post is literally: http://a.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5kjq8WgRm1r0lh0wo1.mp3

Seriously, I think you're way underestimating this subject. I know someone who got 6 A1s in the Leaving (including HL Maths), and got a B2 in Applied Maths, having taken it in the Institute for 5th and 6th Year. I'm just finished 5th Yr myself, and have 5 of the 6 topics done (we do all of them though). I'm really good at Maths, and work my ass off for Applied Maths. I get A1s on all my class tests, but the Higher Level papers are freakin difficult. I have yet to get through a b part question without the aid of a marking scheme or my teacher (I take it in school as an elective 8th subject, so my teacher is also my Maths teacher, which is helpful because I always have questions).

Applied Maths is difficult, and I say that as someone who does very well in it. It's very predictable and with a few months of practising papers and revising I should be okay, but two days? You have got to be kidding. Fair play if you do well, but the average person I know who gets As in HL Maths and HL Physics still would do well to pass it. The overlap with Physics is minuscule; pretty much the entirety of the material on Newton's Laws that's done in Physics is covered in a page or two at the beginning of relevant chapter in our book, or so I'm told as I don't take Physics.

As I said, fair play if you do well. But please don't be surprised if you don't. Most people seem to think Applied Maths is an easy honour in the Leaving, if you're good at Maths and Physics. People overestimate how similar the subjects are. It's an entire 2 year course in its own right.

ganon

Hate to add more negativity to the thread but this really is ridiculous

Being an A standard in Maths and Physics is not enough to do well in Applied Maths (mad as that sounds), I know a good few people in my class who will probably get A's in both but would struggle to pass the Applied Maths paper

It's a completely different subject and is incredibly difficult, there are some concepts in that I've been doing since TY (i started early) that I've only properly started to understand towards the end of this year

afrocod

So how did it go?

I got all of 4, most of 1, and the rest was a bit of a disaster. For 7 I drew 2 diagrams and that was that.

I was in almost the same position as you, I was sitting as an external candidate, so with a day and a half to go I only had 1 question prepared.

UnholyGregor

this is comical..... really, you're terribly deluded, this thread exudes pretentious arrogance....
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0001930/

Pepperr

Just wondering if this Jos360 guy is the same one my teacher was talking about, Breda Disney. She tutored him a few days before the exam and apparently he picked up the subject easily enough.

No idea how it went though!

iLikePiano99

OP, just out of curiosity what did you manage to get in applied maths in the end?

afrocod

Yeah, I wouldn't mind knowing this as well...

spurious

He appears to be training to swim the channel now.
Ahem.

afrocod

spurious wrote: »

He appears to be training to swim the channel now.
Ahem.

He's some boy, our Jos...

iLikePiano99

spurious wrote: »

He appears to be training to swim the channel now.
Ahem.

I noticed this too!

opticalillusion

So?

Eathrin

spurious wrote: »

He appears to be training to swim the channel now.
Ahem.

Won't take him longer than 3 days...
trololololol

jos360

Pepperr wrote: »

Just wondering if this Jos360 guy is the same one my teacher was talking about, Breda Disney. She tutored him a few days before the exam and apparently he picked up the subject easily enough.

No idea how it went though!

Thats me

jos360

So just if anybody is wondering, I got an A2

Thanks for the support (and somewhat entertaining cynicism).