Barman with tattoos

Karen23

A friend of mine has both his arms tattooed ( full sleeves ) and works as a barman. He started a new job and was told t shirts , polo shirts or long / short sleeved shirts were allowed to be worn. He informed the manger about his tattoos and was told he would only be allowed to wear long sleeves as the manager didn't think tattoos gave the right impression to customers.

He has stuck to this rule even when its been really hot and a t shirt would be more suitable but tonight the staff have been told they can wear Ireland jerseys or t shirts for the match. He has all the Ireland jerseys and tops but all short sleeves so unless he's prepared to go and buy a long sleeved jersey he has to wear a regular shirt.

My question is , would a barman with tattoos wearing short sleeves put you off the pub or change your impression of the member of staff. I know tattoos are a personal thing and everyone has their own thoughts on them but seeing as he has been working there for over a year and all the regular customers would know him very well.

HazDanz

As long as he gets the right pint for me and doesn't make it like muck I couldn't care less.

Pushtrak

Tats aren't my thing but they definitely wouldn't be a factor in my deciding whether or not to go to a pub or to go to another. Should be a poll.

Sonics2k

As much as I love tattoos, and plan to get many more in addition to my current ones, some work environments just don't go well with full sleeve tattoos, or even visible ones.

Depending on what style bar he's working in, then visible tattoos may not look great or suit the tone of the bar.

JPA

Definitely shouldn't be a problem for anyone in a pub environment, pubs are meant to be relaxed not formal.

Fizzlesque

Karen23 wrote: »

My question is , would a barman with tattoos wearing short sleeves put you off the pub or change your impression of the member of staff. I know tattoos are a personal thing and everyone has their own thoughts on them but seeing as he has been working there for over a year and all the regular customers would know him very well.

I can't stand tattoos but it wouldn't bother me in the slightest if the barman's arms were covered in them. I'm only buying a drink off him, what difference does the look of his arms make? None.

BUBBLE WRAP

Im disapointed, I thought the thread tital was "Batman with tattoos"

SafeSurfer

I could sort of understand if it was the bar in the Shelbourne or something but how classy can a place that lets its staff wear soccer jerseys be?

Karen23

You're right Sonics2k , he never objected to having to wear the long sleeves knowing that serving the public didn't suit tattoos and knowing from day 1 so he has stuck with the rule but he thought the manager might have made an exception for him during the Euros because all the other staff are wearing their jerseys and now that he's been there for over a year and regular customers would have already formed their opinions of him.

He doesn't object to the rule , just looking for a customers view on it.

Mint Sauce

Depends on the nature of the work/environment, and the nature of the tattoos.

None offensive tattoos on a barman would not bother me. As said already, as long as he serves me up a good pint that's all that maters.

FullRetard

JPA wrote: »

Definitely shouldn't be a problem for anyone in a pub environment, pubs are meant to be relaxed not formal.

thats true to certain extent but what,say,he's pulling pints in the 4 seasons hotel or some other overpriced kip?

The Big Red Button

Why not just wear a long-sleeved top under his jersey?

Opticom

Depends entirely on the venue.

In your average pub, it would not matter one iota to me.

But say in your average 4 star hotel, where you're paying more for allegedly better service and surroundings, nothing against tattoo’s at all, but I would expect most staff to be in long sleeves and dressed smarter etc. anyway.

Karen23

Sonics2k wrote: »

Depending on what style bar he's working in, then visible tattoos may not look great or suit the tone of the bar.

Its just a local pub where customers would be regulars but would have passing trade and match crowds.

cocoshovel

Woulldnt bother me at all as long as he looked fairly tidy himself and not like a total scumbag. If he did then they would just add to the effect.

Karen23

chatterpillar wrote: »

Why not just wear a long-sleeved top under his jersey?

He tried this before going to work but decided if it got busy he'd be sweating in two tops. No one wants to be served by a sweating barman , tattoos or not.

Karen23

cocoshovel wrote: »

Woulldnt bother me at all as long as he looked fairly tidy himself and not like a total scumbag. If he did then they would just add to the effect.

I agree but he's always clean shaven , no piercings or hand / neck tattoos and looks very respectable while wearing his regular working clothes ( shirt & trousers )

jsd1004

Karen23 wrote: »

I agree but he's always clean shaven , no piercings or hand / neck tattoos and looks very respectable while wearing his regular working clothes ( shirt & trousers )

Why do people pigeon hole themselves with conspicuious tattoos on face neck arms etc. Why deface your self permanently..surely a henna tattoo will have the same effect.

rKossi

I could not give a flying **** as long as the tattoo is not something offensive like IRA or something like that which I doubt

mikemac1

Karen23 wrote: »

. He started a new job and was told t shirts , polo shirts or long / short sleeved shirts were allowed to be worn.

T shirts is a very relaxed policy from management

Many places would not have their staff in t shirts

It's just a local pub, I don't see the problem with the tatoos in a place like this

Karen23

rKossi wrote: »

I could not give a flying **** as long as the tattoo is not something offensive like IRA or something like that which I doubt

No , tribal design on one arm and the right arm is a version of the second pic on this page http://www.ragamuffinsoul.com/2007/07/la-ink-update-7-the-art/

mikemac1 wrote: »

T shirts is a very relaxed policy from management

Many places would not have their staff in t shirts

It's just a local pub, I don't see the problem with the tatoos in a place like this

Not just any t shirts , but t shirts given by breweries and sponsors with alcohol names on them. Same applies to the polo shirts.

As long as they got my bar orders right and didn't skimp me on the change then I couldn't care less if they are tattooed or anything else.

Tzar Chasm

Tools who cover themselves in tattoos deserve all the flak they get, imo a bar an with visible tattoos covering his arms would lower the tone of an establishment, if I was presented with that I would consider the bar a ****hole for future reference, there's plenty of people out the who the management can hire that haven't idiotiicly branded themselves as one of the scumbag classes

2rkehij30qtza5

Depends on the bar. I personally don't like tattoos one bit and I would be in agreement with them not being on show in the pub..unless it was a very casual place or something. I don't think tattoos look very good or 'clean cut' to be honest!

minidazzler

Tattoo's running way up the neck and on the face are a bit vulgar for my liking, though I wouldn't exactly expect someone with tattoo's there to work in a "high society" bar anyway, but even full sleeves on the arms wouldn't bother me as a customer at all. But then again I tend to favour dives and rock bars.

Karen23

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

Tools who cover themselves in tattoos deserve all the flak they get, imo a bar an with visible tattoos covering his arms would lower the tone of an establishment, if I was presented with that I would consider the bar a ****hole for future reference, there's plenty of people out the who the management can hire that haven't idiotiicly branded themselves as one of the scumbag classes

The manager personally doesn't like tattoos , both of them knew the story from day one and the manager hired him anyway because he had worked with him before so he knew he was good at his job regardless of his tattoos. Can you honestly say everyone with a tattoo is a scumbags , I think that's a harsh comment to make about someone that you don't even know.

He works in this job and staff and customers like him without knowing about his tattoos because he wears long sleeves. If you knew him in this way too then discovered he had tattoos would you change your opinion and think I used to like him but now I think he's a scumbag now even though nothing about his personality or behaviour had changed.

Karen23

minidazzler wrote: »

Tattoo's running way up the neck and on the face are a bit vulgar for my liking, though I wouldn't exactly expect someone with tattoo's there to work in a "high society" bar anyway, but even full sleeves on the arms wouldn't bother me as a customer at all. But then again I tend to favour dives and rock bars.

I presume that's because you think they wouldn't be hired in the first place because of visible tattoos.

My friend would be well able to hold his own in a '' high society '' bar , he's very well spoken and articulate.

minidazzler

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

Tools who cover themselves in tattoos deserve all the flak they get, imo a bar an with visible tattoos covering his arms would lower the tone of an establishment, if I was presented with that I would consider the bar a ****hole for future reference, there's plenty of people out the who the management can hire that haven't idiotiicly branded themselves as one of the scumbag classes

So, tell me, what kind of bars do you like going to? Places that make you feel special that you can get in?

Rhyme

Can I drink tattoo's? No.

As far as service goes, couldn't care less. Now, if the tattoo's were dreadful...

Tzar Chasm

Karen23 wrote: »

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

Tools who cover themselves in tattoos deserve all the flak they get, imo a bar an with visible tattoos covering his arms would lower the tone of an establishment, if I was presented with that I would consider the bar a ****hole for future reference, there's plenty of people out the who the management can hire that haven't idiotiicly branded themselves as one of the scumbag classes

The manager personally doesn't like tattoos , both of them knew the story from day one and the manager hired him anyway because he had worked with him before so he knew he was good at his job regardless of his tattoos. Can you honestly say everyone with a tattoo is a scumbags , I think that's a harsh comment to make about someone that you don't even know.

He works in this job and staff and customers like him without knowing about his tattoos because he wears long sleeves. If you knew him in this way too then discovered he had tattoos would you change your opinion and think I used to like him but now I think he's a scumbag now even though nothing about his personality or behaviour had changed.

Yeah it would alter my opinion, I would make the snap judgement that tattoos = scumbag

Tzar Chasm

minidazzler wrote: »

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

Tools who cover themselves in tattoos deserve all the flak they get, imo a bar an with visible tattoos covering his arms would lower the tone of an establishment, if I was presented with that I would consider the bar a ****hole for future reference, there's plenty of people out the who the management can hire that haven't idiotiicly branded themselves as one of the scumbag classes

So, tell me, what kind of bars do you like going to? Places that make you feel special that you can get in?

I wouldn't go that far, but places that make me feel comfortable, staff with tattoos or facial piercings lower the tone

Teyla Emmagan

SafeSurfer wrote: »

I could sort of understand if it was the bar in the Shelbourne or something but how classy can a place that lets its staff wear soccer jerseys be?

This - hilarious!

But it wouldn't bother me either way. Plenty of bars cultivate the tattooed bar people look, and it works.

Long as they are good at their job, I wouldn't care either way.

Sonics2k

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

Tools who cover themselves in tattoos deserve all the flak they get, imo a bar an with visible tattoos covering his arms would lower the tone of an establishment, if I was presented with that I would consider the bar a ****hole for future reference, there's plenty of people out the who the management can hire that haven't idiotiicly branded themselves as one of the scumbag classes

See, now this is just a plain retarded point of view.

Millions of people world-wide have tattoos all over their bodies, and yet you are associating them with scumbags.

I personally know three lawyers, four doctors (one is a GP), a teacher, a principal, and even a theatre nurse who have full sleeve tattoos, and even body tattoos done too. One of them even has two genital piercings. If you didn't know they had the work done, you would never associate them with scumbag classes.

Why, even my own mother, who is currently finishing her PhD at UCC, has two degrees in Fine Art, and has been published several times in a number of History based magazines and has been on TG4 and BBC several times, has seven tattoos done. None of which are openly visible. Again, there is no way she could be called a scumbag. She's probably the exact opposite of such.

Yes, there are (unfortunately) many people with some god awful tattoos done, and they are often scumbags, but it's plainly wrong and stupid to claim that all people with tattoos are scumbags, especially given the thousands of years of history behind tattoo art and cultural meanings.

Why, even King Edward VII had some amazing tattoos all over his body. Hardly what we'd call a "scumbag class" now, is he?

/back on-topic @OP
I suppose it would greatly depend on the style of the bar. As an example there are two bars here in Cork which I visit quite often. An Bróg and The Bodega.
In the Bróg, I don't think anyone would even hesitate at seeing a barman with a few or loads of tattoos on them, but some customers may feel differently at seeing a barman in the Bodega with the same work done. If only because they are two very different bars with a different atmosphere and customer base.

four18

Karen23 wrote: »

A friend of mine has both his arms tattooed ( full sleeves ) and works as a barman. He started a new job and was told t shirts , polo shirts or long / short sleeved shirts were allowed to be worn. He informed the manger about his tattoos and was told he would only be allowed to wear long sleeves as the manager didn't think tattoos gave the right impression to customers.

He has stuck to this rule even when its been really hot and a t shirt would be more suitable but tonight the staff have been told they can wear Ireland jerseys or t shirts for the match. He has all the Ireland jerseys and tops but all short sleeves so unless he's prepared to go and buy a long sleeved jersey he has to wear a regular shirt.

My question is , would a barman with tattoos wearing short sleeves put you off the pub or change your impression of the member of staff. I know tattoos are a personal thing and everyone has their own thoughts on them but seeing as he has been working there for over a year and all the regular customers would know him very well.

Jaysus get a life will you FFS !

FullRetard

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

Yeah it would alter my opinion, I would make the snap judgement that tattoos = scumbag

you dont have very good judgement then..I probably wouldnt drink were you drink,not because the the bar men/women didnt have tats but because the place is full of tools

Karen23

Karen23 wrote: »

A friend of mine has both his arms tattooed ( full sleeves ) and works as a barman. He started a new job and was told t shirts , polo shirts or long / short sleeved shirts were allowed to be worn. He informed the manger about his tattoos and was told he would only be allowed to wear long sleeves as the manager didn't think tattoos gave the right impression to customers.

He has stuck to this rule even when its been really hot and a t shirt would be more suitable but tonight the staff have been told they can wear Ireland jerseys or t shirts for the match. He has all the Ireland jerseys and tops but all short sleeves so unless he's prepared to go and buy a long sleeved jersey he has to wear a regular shirt.

My question is , would a barman with tattoos wearing short sleeves put you off the pub or change your impression of the member of staff. I know tattoos are a personal thing and everyone has their own thoughts on them but seeing as he has been working there for over a year and all the regular customers would know him very well.

four18 wrote: »

Jaysus get a life will you FFS !

Something wrong with looking for a customers opinion on the people that serve them ??

Karen23

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

Yeah it would alter my opinion, I would make the snap judgement that tattoos = scumbag

David Beckham OBE , captained his country 108 times , first British player to play 100 Champions League matches , twice runner up FIFA player of the year , highest player salary in US league history , Unicef Goodwill ambassador , numerous other honours , multi millionaire. Ah yes I can see how your theory works :rolleyes:

Tzar Chasm

So he gets loads of money to kick a football round the place, whoopdedoo, he still looks like a scumbag

FullRetard

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

So he gets loads of money to kick a football round the place, whoopdedoo, he still looks like a scumbag

he'd probably get payed less to kick some sense into you:pac:

Karen23

I don't think he'd have been given an OBE or be a Unicef Goodwill Ambassador if he was a scumbag

2rkehij30qtza5

Karen23 wrote: »

David Beckham OBE , captained his country 108 times , first British player to play 100 Champions League matches , twice runner up FIFA player of the year , highest player salary in US league history , Unicef Goodwill ambassador , numerous other honours , multi millionaire. Ah yes I can see how your theory works :rolleyes:

I think Beckham looks like one of the biggest scumbags ever!

Karen23

Raymond Aggressive Cricket wrote: »

I think Beckham looks like one of the biggest scumbags ever!

Proving the point that just because people think you look like an scumbag doesn't make you one.

2rkehij30qtza5

Karen23 wrote: »

Raymond Aggressive Cricket wrote: »

I think Beckham looks like one of the biggest scumbags ever!

Proving the point that just because people think you look like an scumbag doesn't make you one.

Don't know the man personally but he certainly doesn't come across as polished or refined when listening to him speak!

Karen23

Not a Beckham supporter myself but you don't end up where he is today without having some intelligence.

I'd rather be more open minded and base my opinion on the person rather than the fact they have tattoos or how they speak.

2rkehij30qtza5

Karen23 wrote: »

Not a Beckham supporter myself but you don't end up where he is today without having some intelligence.

I'd rather be more open minded and base my opinion on the person rather than the fact they have tattoos or how they speak.

My IMPRESSION of him (which I am entitled to...we all have impressions of people!!) is that he looks like a scumbag! His tattoos/hairstyles etc. do nothing to abate that impression!

Karen23

Impressions and opinions of people can be wrong , I've had impressions of people in the past and they turn out to be completely different once you get to know them.

2rkehij30qtza5

Karen23 wrote: »

Impressions and opinions of people can be wrong , I've had impressions of people in the past and they turn out to be completely different once you get to know them.

That is true!

But it's unlikely I will ever get to know David Beckham so I will just have to stick with my impressions of him that I have formed from watching and listening to him on tv/newspapers/advertisements. My impression of David Beckham is that he is a chav. A wealthy one at that but in my opinion he doesn't have much class (off the pitch I mean!).

Maybe if I ever meet the man that perception will change.

Tzar Chasm

Yeah but this thread is about impressions.

We're not going to have deep conversations with the bsrman we're going to judge him based on the brief encounter at the bar, if he's covered in tattoos that will shape my opinion to the conclusion Scumbag

Sonics2k

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

Yeah but this thread is about impressions.

We're not going to have deep conversations with the bsrman we're going to judge him based on the brief encounter at the bar, if he's covered in tattoos that will shape my opinion to the conclusion Scumbag

And thus ignoring my last post to keep a small minded, irrational and illogical view.

Karen23

Yes and my original question was would a barman with tattoos wearing short sleeves put you off the pub or change your impression of the member of staff , for you Tzar Chasm it obviously would and that's fine.

Just for the record I've come across plenty of scumbags with no tattoos , you should watch out for them because you wont know them from the tattooed ones. At least the ones with the tattoos are giving you the heads up

Tzar Chasm

Sonics2k wrote: »

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

Yeah but this thread is about impressions.

We're not going to have deep conversations with the bsrman we're going to judge him based on the brief encounter at the bar, if he's covered in tattoos that will shape my opinion to the conclusion Scumbag

And thus ignoring my last post to keep a small minded, irrational and illogical view.

Ok, in addressing your point I would not be comfortable being represented by a lawyer with tattoos, it shows they have a history of bad decisions, same for gp's in the case of your mammy if i saw her giving a lecture with visible tattoos i'd maybe form the opinion of scumbag done good, but i doubt i'd be interested in sitting down for tea wit her