Barman with tattoos

Sonics2k

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

Ok, in addressing your point I would not be comfortable being represented by a lawyer with tattoos, it shows they have a history of bad decisions, same for gp's in the case of your mammy if i saw her giving a lecture with visible tattoos i'd maybe form the opinion of scumbag done good, but i doubt i'd be interested in sitting down for tea wit her

And what if the tattoos weren't visible?

As I said, all these people have keep their tattoos hidden at work. They would look absolutely no different to any other person walking around.

Karen23

That's a shame because I'm sure in the past you've written off the chance to get to know some really nice , interesting people just because they chose to have tattoos.

Karen23

Karen23 wrote: »

He works in this job and staff and customers like him without knowing about his tattoos because he wears long sleeves. If you knew him in this way too then discovered he had tattoos would you change your opinion and think I used to like him but now I think he's a scumbag now even though nothing about his personality or behaviour had changed.

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

Yeah it would alter my opinion, I would make the snap judgement that tattoos = scumbag

How can you change your opinion of someone so easily even though they are still the same person you knew. Ok I can understand if you liked someone and then found out they had a serious criminal conviction or something that would change your opinion , but seriously for having tattoos that they keep hidden while in work.

Tzar Chasm

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

Karen23 wrote: »

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

Tools who cover themselves in tattoos deserve all the flak they get, imo a bar an with visible tattoos covering his arms would lower the tone of an establishment, if I was presented with that I would consider the bar a ****hole for future reference, there's plenty of people out the who the management can hire that haven't idiotiicly branded themselves as one of the scumbag classes

The manager personally doesn't like tattoos , both of them knew the story from day one and the manager hired him anyway because he had worked with him before so he knew he was good at his job regardless of his tattoos. Can you honestly say everyone with a tattoo is a scumbags , I think that's a harsh comment to make about someone that you don't even know.

He works in this job and staff and customers like him without knowing about his tattoos because he wears long sleeves. If you knew him in this way too then discovered he had tattoos would you change your opinion and think I used to like him but now I think he's a scumbag now even though nothing about his personality or behaviour had changed.

Yeah it would alter my opinion, I would make the snap judgement that tattoos = scumbag

Wow didn't know David beckham was a scumbag ?
Where's this bar you speak of I like a man with tats

Armadillo

I'd be offended if he had tattooed A.C.A.B. (All Customers Are B@st@rds) . Just saying...

Tzar Chasm

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

Sonics2k wrote: »

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

Yeah but this thread is about impressions.

We're not going to have deep conversations with the bsrman we're going to judge him based on the brief encounter at the bar, if he's covered in tattoos that will shape my opinion to the conclusion Scumbag

And thus ignoring my last post to keep a small minded, irrational and illogical view.

Ok, in addressing your point I would not be comfortable being represented by a lawyer with tattoos, it shows they have a history of bad decisions, same for gp's in the case of your mammy if i saw her giving a lecture with visible tattoos i'd maybe form the opinion of scumbag done good, but i doubt i'd be interested in sitting down for tea wit her

Genuinely feel sorry that you have such a narrow minded view of the world did it ever strike you that some of the biggest scumbags wear suits and have decent haircuts ? Must be weird to judge a book by it's cover I for one have a more mature approach to humankind makes for a more interesting and varied life !

Opticom

Karen23 wrote: »

Can you honestly say everyone with a tattoo is a scumbags

No, I don't use that as a measure, but in my own personal experience, incidentally or not, most of them (but not all of them) have turned out to be one.

Garrett Nice Poltergeist wrote: »

some of the biggest scumbags wear suits and have decent haircuts ?

Also true in my personal experience, especially in Ireland

shuridunno

I have wrist tatts and work in pharmacy retail, I have to wear a wide strapped watch and bracelets to cover them. I would have more on my inner arm but I know it would not be worth the hassle of covering them up.

Some jobs just don't lend well to body art, most of my back is covered in ink but at least I don't have to show it.

I would have thought bar work was a job it was exceptbale in.

Karen23

In my opinion Bertie Ahearn and his fat cat bankers and politicians with their fancy suits and post accents are bigger scumbags than any barman I know

Karen23

shuridunno wrote: »

I would have thought bar work was a job it was exceptbale in.

He knew himself when taking the job and I wasnt surprised when he said he had to wear long sleeves to work but I had thought maybe after working there for a while , showing he was good worker and popular with customers that he would have proved he wasnt a scumbag and maybe management would have become a bit more lenient , not for every shift but on occasions like tonight for the match. But it wasn't to be and like I said previously he doesn't have a problem with this , he knew the managers point of view and just wondered about the customers side.

Opticom

Karen23 wrote: »

In my opinion Bertie Ahearn . . . . with their fancy suits and post accents are bigger scumbags than any barman I know

Hmmm you're half right

Karen23

Sorry for the typo that obviously should be posh accents

Tzar Chasm

See that's just as prejudicial as me, you would just as likely pigeonhole me due to my accent, well tailored clothes and BMW.

But you would delude yourself that you are openminded, you are just as biased as i am, but i'm comfortable enough in myself to admit it, because I give not onr fvck what you or tne tattooed barman feel about me.

Peetrik

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

I would not be comfortable being represented by a lawyer with tattoos, it shows they have a history of bad decisions

Hahaha the irony. You spoon!

Karen23

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

See that's just as prejudicial as me, you would just as likely pigeonhole me due to my accent, well tailored clothes and BMW.

I never said it about you , unless you are Bertie Ahearn or a politician. My opinion of them is based on fact and not on generalisation.

Just for the record the so called barman also has well tailored clothes , manners , speaks well and drives an Audi. He just has to pull up those sleeves to make sure he's not pigeon holed as small minded and illogical.

UserName 217

Really? Peoples biggest problem is being served with someone who has tattoos?

I know people said they don't mind but what do people with tattoos give off?

After all they are just people with art etc. on their skin.

If the only thing we had to worry about was people being served with a person that had tattoos, we

would be a happy nation.

Just stupid that people look at this as a problem.

TBH I couldn't care if my dentist / doctor was head to toe in tattoos as long as they done

their job right.

Opticom

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

See that's just as prejudicial as me, you would just as likely pigeonhole me due to my accent, well tailored clothes and BMW.

Actually give me the tattooed barman anyday.
At least with him what you see is what you get.

Tzar Chasm

Peetrik wrote: »

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

I would not be comfortable being represented by a lawyer with tattoos, it shows they have a history of bad decisions

Hahaha the irony. You spoon!

Can you expand on this

Tzar Chasm

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

See that's just as prejudicial as me, you would just as likely pigeonhole me due to my accent, well tailored clothes and BMW.

But you would delude yourself that you are openminded, you are just as biased as i am, but i'm comfortable enough in myself to admit it, because I give not onr fvck what you or tne tattooed barman feel about me.

Bateman that you ?

Wow ur cool can I be like you when I grow up ?

Tzar Chasm

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

Peetrik wrote: »

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

I would not be comfortable being represented by a lawyer with tattoos, it shows they have a history of bad decisions

Hahaha the irony. You spoon!

Can you expand on this

The term ur fumbling for is care to expand on this ?

Tzar Chasm

No, I want to know if they Can expand on it, not whether or not they care about expanding on it

Karen23

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

Ok, in addressing your point I would not be comfortable being represented by a lawyer with tattoos, it shows they have a history of bad decisions,

Peetrik wrote: »

Hahaha the irony. You spoon!

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

Can you expand on this

Wow , even someone like me got this

CL7

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

See that's just as prejudicial as me, you would just as likely pigeonhole me due to my accent, well tailored clothes and BMW.

But you would delude yourself that you are openminded, you are just as biased as i am, but i'm comfortable enough in myself to admit it, because I give not onr fvck what you or tne tattooed barman feel about me.

You couldn't give a fvck what people think of you yet here you are, bragging on one thread and telling everyone you're a psychopath on another. Get the fcuk outta here.

Peetrik

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

Can you expand on this

That you would refuse to use a lawyer because of a minor aesthetic feature that has no bearing on their ability because you feel it is a bad choice... is in itself a bad choice. Which I find ironic and hilarious.

The spoon thing was just because, after reading your posts and getting a little insight into your personality, I decided in my head that you're a spoon

Motorist

Karen23 wrote: »

Impressions and opinions of people can be wrong , I've had impressions of people in the past and they turn out to be completely different once you get to know them.

Yeah, sometimes weather reports are wrong too. But given the choice of two orthopedic surgeons to operate on your spinal cord - one with his arms covered in tattoos, and with piercings, the other wearing a suit and looking generally clean cut - it's obvious which one the majority of people would choose.

BUBBLE WRAP

Motorist wrote: »

Yeah, sometimes weather reports are wrong too. But given the choice of two orthopedic surgeons to operate on your spinal cord - one with his arms covered in tattoos, and with piercings, the other wearing a suit and looking generally clean cut - it's obvious which one the majority of people would choose.

You should never judge a book by its cover.

Peetrik

Motorist wrote: »

Yeah, sometimes weather reports are wrong too. But given the choice of two orthopedic surgeons to operate on your spinal cord - one with his arms covered in tattoos, and with piercings, the other wearing a suit and looking generally clean cut - it's obvious which one the majority of people would choose.

No its not. Hence the debate on this thread between people who judge books by the cover and those who don't.

Fr_Dougal

Motorist wrote: »

Yeah, sometimes weather reports are wrong too. But given the choice of two orthopedic surgeons to operate on your spinal cord - one with his arms covered in tattoos, and with piercings, the other wearing a suit and looking generally clean cut - it's obvious which one the majority of people would choose.

The one with the steady hands.

Motorist

Peetrik wrote: »

No its not. Hence the debate on this thread between people who judge books by the cover and those who don't.

If you want to let this guy mess around on your spinal nerves in your battle against the prejudice of human perception, go ahead - but I'm pretty sure the majority of people would choose someone looking a bit more clean cut like this

Cee-Jay-Cee

I have three tattoos and have no problem with them, however in my local supermarket there is a manger there with maori tribal tattoos on both arms (despite the fact that he's irish and milky white in color) but i think it just is wrong. He wears white short sleeved shirts and pressed trousers and IMO it degrades his position. I know him personally and he's a sound fella and has been in his position/job for years but i just think a long sleeved shirt would suit his image as a manager better. I've asked him if his superiors have a problem or have ever mentioned them but they havent. He only got them done in the last few years and so when he started out in his job didnt have any tattoos at all (well at least none on his forearms that were visible in short sleeve shirts)

BadGirl

The small mindedness of some people in here is just astounding. Just because someone likes to express themselves using ink you make assumptions about their character or personality?? wow, just wow.

I hope you are never in a situation where you are judged to be a scumbag or a chav or something else so derogatory, just because of what you wear, what you look like, what car you drive or whatever......

Motorist

Motorist wrote: »

Karen23 wrote: »

Impressions and opinions of people can be wrong , I've had impressions of people in the past and they turn out to be completely different once you get to know them.

Yeah, sometimes weather reports are wrong too. But given the choice of two orthopedic surgeons to operate on your spinal cord - one with his arms covered in tattoos, and with piercings, the other wearing a suit and looking generally clean cut - it's obvious which one the majority of people would choose.

The majority of people if they had a modicum of sense would want to know the surgeons credentials and his failure rate . His or her appearance should be the last thing on your mind when choosing a surgeon or anyone else for that matter .

Track record and qualifications foremost obviously !

Peetrik

Motorist wrote: »

If you want to let this guy mess around on your spinal nerves in your battle against the prejudice of human perception, go ahead - but I'm pretty sure the majority of people would choose someone looking a bit more clean cut like this

I'd want this guy... he's a badass and a wicked surgeon haha.

Serious answer, I'd be much more interested in a surgeons success rate than if he had a tattoo or a mole or any other factor.

Sonics2k

Motorist wrote: »

If you want to let this guy mess around on your spinal nerves in your battle against the prejudice of human perception, go ahead - but I'm pretty sure the majority of people would choose someone looking a bit more clean cut like this

Again, you're missing the point, or possibly missed my post on page three about this very issue.

I do know several doctors with lots of tattoos, but they are hidden from general view. You would not notice these tattoos unless they were shown to you.

So you could have two virtually identical Doctors standing in front of you, same skills and qualifications, but one of them has lots of tattoos done. You do not know which one has them, and you'll never find out.

So which do you choose?

Motorist

Garrett Nice Poltergeist wrote: »

The majority of people if they had a modicum of sense would want to know the surgeons credentials and his failure rate . His or her appearance should be the last thing on your mind when choosing a surgeon or anyone else for that matter .

Track record and qualifications foremost obviously !

You're in an emergency situation to save some of your spinal root nerves. You have just been in a car accident and have about five minutes to decide and give your consent. There is no time to check track record, history, qualifications.

50% of people who get tattoos regret their decision. The quest for tattoo removal reflects earlier poor decision making and an embarrassing stigma often perceived by the age of 40 years. A whole new profitable industry in tattoo removal has resulted.

BadGirl

Motorist wrote: »

You're in an emergency situation to save some of your spinal root nerves. You have just been in a car accident and have about five minutes to decide and give your consent. There is no time to check track record, history, qualifications.

Would you choose a brunette female doctor over a blond? One with real boobs or implants?? Split second decision.... does it matter what they LOOK like?????:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Karen23

Motorist wrote: »

If you want to let this guy mess around on your spinal nerves in your battle against the prejudice of human perception, go ahead - but I'm pretty sure the majority of people would choose someone looking a bit more clean cut like this

The barman in question is very clean cut and actually looks more like the second pic because for work he keeps his arms covered. The question was if a barman with tattoos served you in a pub would it change your opinion of the pub or of him , would it make you not go back to that pub because this barman gave you a bad impression of the place even though he was dressed smartly ( with short sleeves ) and was polite and mannerly towards you. Or would you not even get that far , see the tattoos , think its a dive and walk out.

Motorist

Sonics2k wrote: »

Again, you're missing the point, or possibly missed my post on page three about this very issue.

I do know several doctors with lots of tattoos, but they are hidden from general view. You would not notice these tattoos unless they were shown to you.

So you could have two virtually identical Doctors standing in front of you, same skills and qualifications, but one of them has lots of tattoos done. You do not know which one has them, and you'll never find out.

So which do you choose?

Im talking about facial tattoos on doctors where one can see them. Would you suggest they wear balaclavas?

BadGirl

Motorist wrote: »

Im talking about facial tattoos on doctors where one can see them. Would you suggest they wear balaclavas?

Very, very few people get facial tattoos unless it is a cultural thing (imo)

Motorist

BadGirl wrote: »

Would you choose a brunette female doctor over a blond? One with real boobs or implants?? Split second decision.... does it matter what they LOOK like?????:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

No, none of what you have described would be a compelling factor for me to choose one over the other or gives me an indication of their decision-making process.

Peetrik

Motorist wrote: »

Im talking about facial tattoos on doctors where one can see them. Would you suggest they wear balaclavas?

I can feel another spoon insult coming on...

Motorist

Motorist wrote: »

Garrett Nice Poltergeist wrote: »

The majority of people if they had a modicum of sense would want to know the surgeons credentials and his failure rate . His or her appearance should be the last thing on your mind when choosing a surgeon or anyone else for that matter .

Track record and qualifications foremost obviously !

You're in an emergency situation to save some of your spinal root nerves. You have just been in a car accident and have about five minutes to decide and give your consent. There is no time to check track record, history, qualifications.

50% of people who get tattoos regret their decision. The quest for tattoo removal reflects earlier poor decision making and an embarrassing stigma often perceived by the age of 40 years. A whole new profitable industry in tattoo removal has resulted.

Wouldn't be checking to see if they had tatoos either ! Tbh

And going by your stats ( link please! Still 50% happy with their tattoos point ?

Opticom

Sonics2k wrote: »

So you could have two virtually identical Doctors standing in front of you, same skills and qualifications, but one of them has lots of tattoos done. You do not know which one has them, and you'll never find out.

So which do you choose?

TBH, the one that looks like he would not be the tattoo type every time.

But we're not talking about doctors, we're talking about barmen.


Which barman would you choose if you ran a hotel, the one that prefers to keep his tattoo's to himself, or the one that prefers to display them ?

BadGirl

Karen23 wrote: »

The barman in question is very clean cut and actually looks more like the second pic because for work he keeps his arms covered. The question was if a barman with tattoos served you in a pub would it change your opinion of the pub or of him , would it make you not go back to that pub because this barman gave you a bad impression of the place even though he was dressed smartly ( with short sleeves ) and was polite and mannerly towards you. Or would you not even get that far , see the tattoos , think its a dive and walk out.

To answer your question, it would not cast me a second though if he had 2 sleeve tattoos on show, as long as they weren't offensive for the job he was in.

Karen23

It's already been posted that this person doesnt have face or neck tattoos or any piercings , tattoos are on both arms ( nothing offensive ) which are normally covered by long sleeves , would you object as a customer to him occasionally wearing short sleeves

BUBBLE WRAP

Motorist wrote: »

If you want to let this guy mess around on your spinal nerves in your battle against the prejudice of human perception, go ahead - but I'm pretty sure the majority of people would choose someone looking a bit more clean cut like this

The first "chap" made me lol. :pac:

This is the best example.
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lg8flpAftJ1qh1whgo1_500.jpg

There for, you might not even know a doctor has tattoo sleaves.

BadGirl

Motorist wrote: »

No, none of what you have described would be a compelling factor for me to choose one over the other or gives me an indication of their decision-making process.

But then why would you question the decision making process of anyone who is tattooed? Do you not think that is incredibly arrogant of you to question someones decision-making process when you don't even know them????

Opticom

Karen23 wrote: »

It's already been posted that this person doesnt have face or neck tattoos or any piercings , tattoos are on both arms ( nothing offensive ) which are normally covered by long sleeves , would you object as a customer to him occasionally wearing short sleeves

No, I would not care either way, his customer service and attitude would be far more important.

Karen23

Karen23 wrote: »

It's already been posted that this person doesnt have face or neck tattoos or any piercings , tattoos are on both arms ( nothing offensive ) which are normally covered by long sleeves , would you object as a customer to him occasionally wearing short sleeves

No not at all does his job well then no rational person would object there is no basis for it . Its irrational and narrow minded to suggest everyone who had tattoos is a scumbag or that they have poor decision making skills .

BadGirl

Karen23 wrote: »

It's already been posted that this person doesnt have face or neck tattoos or any piercings , tattoos are on both arms ( nothing offensive ) which are normally covered by long sleeves , would you object as a customer to him occasionally wearing short sleeves

Absolutely not...