Barman with tattoos

rainbowtrout

Karen23 wrote: »

It's already been posted that this person doesnt have face or neck tattoos or any piercings , tattoos are on both arms ( nothing offensive ) which are normally covered by long sleeves , would you object as a customer to him occasionally wearing short sleeves

It's not about what the customer wants though is it? It's about what management wants. Personally I couldn't care less how many tattoos are on a barman's arms once he serves me my drinks and gives me my change, but if management have a rule in place that says no tattoos on display and your friend knew this well why would he expect tonight to be an exception?

Even if it is as you say, nothing special just the local, the manager probably has some notion in his head of the image he is trying to portray of the pub and his staff.

Tzar Chasm

I was in a situation like this, hiring a truck driver once two guys with similar qualifications both with decent references, one had arm tattoos and one of those stupid hole in his ear things, the other one got tne job

Sonics2k

Motorist wrote: »

Im talking about facial tattoos on doctors where one can see them. Would you suggest they wear balaclavas?

Well as has been said (even by myself) some tattoos and piercings are simply not suitable in certain environments, the same can be said about hairstyles and clothing.

You're overblowing the scenario by taking it to an extreme situation involving surgeons and major amounts of facial piercings (which imo, tend to look bad on people).

I -personally- don't think it'd be appropriate to come to most work environments with the amount of piercings in that picture (unless it was a piercing studio), but that wouldn't make me think he was any less of a skilled doctor than someone else.

Karen23

Opticom wrote: »

TBH, the one that looks like he would not be the tattoo type every time.

But we're not talking about doctors, we're talking about barmen.


Which barman would you choose if you ran a hotel, the one that prefers to keep his tattoo's to himself, or the one that prefers to display them ?

He has no problem keeping his tattoos to himself , and wears the long sleeves without any problem. This was for occasional incidents like warm weather or nights like tonight when all other staff were wearing green polo shirts for the match but he wasn't allowed and went to work wearing his shirt without complaint. It was me who was curious of peoples opinions

Opticom

rainbowtrout wrote: »

It's not about what the customer wants though is it? It's about what management wants. Personally I couldn't care less how many tattoos are on a barman's arms once he serves me my drinks and gives me my change, but if management have a rule in place that says no tattoos on display and your friend knew this well why would he expect tonight to be an exception?

Even if it is as you say, nothing special just the local, the manager probably has some notion in his head of the image he is trying to portray of the pub and his staff.

Exactly, if all other things were equal, like customer service ability etc., which barman would you choose if you ran say a hotel, the one that prefers to keep his tattoo's to himself, or the one that prefers to display them ?

Motorist

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

I was in a situation like this, hiring a truck driver once two guys with similar qualifications both with decent references, one had arm tattoos and one of those stupid hole in his ear things, the other one got tne job

Good decision.

BadGirl

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

I was in a situation like this, hiring a truck driver once two guys with similar qualifications both with decent references, one had arm tattoos and one of those stupid hole in his ear things, the other one got tne job

What an ass..... Why would you discriminate someone for how they look?
Maybe I am just terribly open-minded, but i find this really irritating when people do this......

BUBBLE WRAP

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

I was in a situation like this, hiring a truck driver once two guys with similar qualifications both with decent references, one had arm tattoos and one of those stupid hole in his ear things, the other one got tne job

Whitch one was "the other one"?

Sonics2k

Opticom wrote: »

TBH, the one that looks like he would not be the tattoo type every time.

But we're not talking about doctors, we're talking about barmen.


Which barman would you choose if you ran a hotel, the one that prefers to keep his tattoo's to himself, or the one that prefers to display them ?

How would you know 'the type'? As I said in another post, I know lawyers and teachers with tattoos done. To see them wandering around town they'd look just like anyone else in the profession. And unless they got the sudden urge to tear off all their clothing and run naked down the street, you'd never know that they have tattoos.

And actually, I grew up greatly involved in the Hotel industry here in Cork and can answer that question honestly.

Given the type, tone and setting of the hotel, the managers of the building did ask that any staff members with tattoos on their arms be kept covered by long sleeve shirts at all times, but were free to walk around the kitchens and other private areas with their sleeves up if they wished.

No staff ever had a problem with this, and in 10+ years I was there, I never ever heard a complaint from it's guests.

Motorist

Sonics2k wrote: »

I -personally- don't think it'd be appropriate to come to most work environments with the amount of piercings in that picture (unless it was a piercing studio), but that wouldn't make me think he was any less of a skilled doctor than someone else.

On the other hand, if I was being wheeled out on a trolley to an operating theatre and saw a surgeon covered in facial tattoos waiting with a scalpel in hand, I would probably think the guy was experiencing a major mental illness and was in no way fit to do his job. Fair enough if you would let him operate, I think this is something we will not agree on.

Karen23

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

I was in a situation like this, hiring a truck driver once two guys with similar qualifications both with decent references, one had arm tattoos and one of those stupid hole in his ear things, the other one got tne job

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

Whitch one was "the other one"?

The sociopath

Leeg17

Since when do tattoos and piercings = mental illness?

Peetrik

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

Whitch one was "the other one"?

The man he found more physically attractive of course

Motorist

BadGirl wrote: »

What an ass..... Why would you discriminate someone for how they look?
Maybe I am just terribly open-minded, but i find this really irritating when people do this......

Would you have done a tattoo version of affirmative action?

Sonics2k

Motorist wrote: »

On the other hand, if I was being wheeled out on a trolley to an operating theatre and saw a surgeon covered in facial tattoos waiting with a scalpel in hand, I would probably think the guy was experiencing a major mental illness and was in no way fit to do his job.

Fair enough.
But again, that comes more under a management decision and tone of the business at hand.

If I were running said hospital, I would ask that piercings were removed whilst on shift, and tattoos were hidden. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that all hospitals would say the same. As I (and everyone else) have said, it depends on the setting of the business that warrants whether or not piercing/tattoos should be out in the open.

And again, we are only discussing a barman.

BadGirl

Motorist wrote: »

Would you have done a tattoo version of affirmative action?

I'm sorry, I don't get what you mean here, maybe you could elaborate a little please?

Motorist

Sonics2k wrote: »

Fair enough.
But again, that comes more under a management decision and tone of the business at hand.

If I were running said hospital, I would ask that piercings were removed whilst on shift, and tattoos were hidden. I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that all hospitals would say the same. As I (and everyone else) have said, it depends on the setting of the business that warrants whether or not piercing/tattoos should be out in the open.

And again, we are only discussing a barman.

I understand but the purpose of introducing a clinical setting of a hospital is to gauge to the extreme the difference between a bar attempting to be "classy" (btw not my kind of place) and the local down in Finglas. For the former, I would understand the manager's decision.

Karen23

rainbowtrout wrote: »

It's not about what the customer wants though is it? It's about what management wants. Personally I couldn't care less how many tattoos are on a barman's arms once he serves me my drinks and gives me my change, but if management have a rule in place that says no tattoos on display and your friend knew this well why would he expect tonight to be an exception?

Even if it is as you say, nothing special just the local, the manager probably has some notion in his head of the image he is trying to portray of the pub and his staff.

What you've posted is the very reason why he didn't argue with the manager as he knew this was the policy from day one. He was just telling me that the other staff would be wearing their polo shirts for tonight and he couldn't and it got me thinking about it.

Opticom

Sonics2k wrote: »

And actually, I grew up greatly involved in the Hotel industry here in Cork and can answer that question honestly.

Given the type, tone and setting of the hotel, the managers of the building did ask that any staff members with tattoos on their arms be kept covered by long sleeve shirts at all times, but were free to walk around the kitchens and other private areas with their sleeves up if they wished.

No staff ever had a problem with this, and in 10+ years I was there, I never ever heard a complaint from it's guests.

Spot on,

So, if their ability was equal, which barman would you choose if you ran a hotel, the one that doesn't mind keeping his tattoo's to himself at work, or the one that prefers to display them ?

Sonics2k

Motorist wrote: »

I understand but the purpose of introducing a clinical setting of a hospital is to gauge to the extreme the difference between a bar attempting to be "classy" (btw not my kind of place) and the local down in Finglas. For the former, I would understand the manager's decision.

Well to be fair, the person mention by the OP also agrees with the manager, as do I. I'd say many (if not most) people who have tattoos would agree too.

I happen to have a tattoo on my inner wrist, and having worked in various jobs over the years have only ever had one person notice it while I was actively working, and that was only because I'd had to pull up my sleeve an extra bit because a damned midgie had bitten me :mad:

BUBBLE WRAP

Karen23 wrote: »

What you've posted is the very reason why he didn't argue with the manager as he knew this was the policy from day one. He was just telling me that the other staff would be wearing their polo shirts for tonight and he couldn't and it got me thinking about it.

I personly would be more offended if a barman was going around in a long sleave shirt. While his co-workers were wearing Ireland jerseys and that it would look stupid.

Karen23

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

I personly would be more offended if a barman was going around in a long sleave shirt. While his co-workers were wearing Ireland jerseys and that it would look stupid.

Tzar Chasm

Leeg17 wrote: »

Since when do tattoos and piercings = mental illness?

well it shows poor judgement and an attention seeking nature, so probably more of a mental disorder

Sonics2k

Opticom wrote: »

Spot on,

So, if their ability was equal, which barman would you choose if you ran a hotel, the one that doesn't mind keeping his tattoo's to himself at work, or the one that prefers to display them ?

In that particular hotel and setting?
They'd be told that tattoos should be covered (just like my own are) when on shift, and if they're not willing to adhere to that, then they shall have to move on.

However, if it was a standard bar (like An Brog here in Cork), I'd choose the one who was a better barman and better with the customers.

BUBBLE WRAP

Karen23 wrote: »

Abit like eating a sangwich while swimming. :rolleyes:

Sonics2k

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

well it shows poor judgement and an attention seeking nature, so probably more of a mental disorder

If anyone here is showing 'poor judgement and attention seeking', it is you.

Leeg17

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

well it shows poor judgement and an attention seeking nature, so probably more of a mental disorder

Oh dear.. *bites lip*

The Big Red Button

Karen23 wrote: »

It's already been posted that this person doesnt have face or neck tattoos or any piercings , tattoos are on both arms ( nothing offensive ) which are normally covered by long sleeves , would you object as a customer to him occasionally wearing short sleeves

Personally, no, I wouldn't.

However, without a doubt, some customers will judge the barman (and the establishment) because of his tattoos.

Look at it from the manager's point of view.

If the barman's tattoos are on display, some customers may take get a bad impression of the bar, and may not return.

If they're not on display, that risk is removed.

Why would the manager unnecessarily take the risk of losing customers? I think he's being quite reasonable here.

Opticom

Sonics2k wrote: »

In that particular hotel and setting?
They'd be told that tattoos should be covered (just like my own are) when on shift, and if they're not willing to adhere to that, then they shall have to move on.

And thats very similar to what the OP is about, so the barman in the OP was exactly right not to take the chance with his boss by sporting the tattoo’s tonight.

Sonics2k wrote: »

However, if it was a standard bar (like An Brog here in Cork), I'd choose the one who was a better barman and better with the customers.

Agreed.

Sonics2k

Opticom wrote: »

And that seems to be what the OP is about, so the barman in the OP was exactly right not to take the chance with his boss by sporting the tattoo’s tonight.



Agreed.

That is basically what I said in my first post on page 1 :P

BUBBLE WRAP

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

well it shows poor judgement and an attention seeking nature, so probably more of a mental disorder

"poor judgement" how?

attention seeking nature "how"?

a mental disorder "how"?


Thats just trolling....

BadGirl

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

well it shows poor judgement and an attention seeking nature, so probably more of a mental disorder

You have just offended me, and probably 50% or more of boardsies.... Such a know-it-all arrogant arsehole to assume that just because i like to express myself by having tattoos that you assume i have a mental illness......

For your information, I work in a customer service role where I am customer facing sometimes, I have never been asked to hide my tattoos and some of my customers have commented on them and asked the story behind them. You are entitled to you opinion of course, but in this day and age, when tattooing and body modification is so popular, I don't think your opinion is very acceptable.

But then, that is just MY opinion of course....

BUBBLE WRAP

Sonics2k wrote: »

That is basically what I said in my first post on page 1 :P

They must have got tired of digging that hole. :rolleyes:

Motorist

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

"poor judgement" how?

attention seeking nature "how"?

a mental disorder "how"?


Thats just trolling....

There are genuine reasons for people getting tattoos - cultural, religious, a personal narrative. I imagine the poster is referring to the cohort of those who get tattoos out of impulsiveness, suffering from body dysmorphic disorder, associations with criminal gangs, protestation against society, victims of abuse or those with addictive personality.

Leeg17

Motorist, quit the trolling, it's boring.

Opticom

Sonics2k wrote: »

That is basically what I said in my first post on page 1 :P

Pity you veered off on the tangents so

Sonics2k

Motorist wrote: »

There are genuine reasons for people getting tattoos - cultural, religious, a personal narrative. I imagine the poster is referring to the cohort of those who get tattoos out of impulsiveness, suffering from body dysmorphic disorder, associations with criminal gangs, protestation against society, victims of abuse or those with addictive personality.

To be fair, the exact same can be said about clothing and hairstyles.

Sonics2k

Opticom wrote: »

Pity you veered off on the tangents so

I fail to see how?

I did mention people I know who have tattoos when a previous poster tried claiming that everyone with a tattoo is part of the "scumbag classes", and showed that was not true and just a generally incorrect statement to make.

It was plainly off-topic from the OP's question, but I did return to it further into the post.

Dr. Jonathan Crane

Although I have tattoos, I agree certain work environments wouldn't suit full sleeves, but I don't see a problem and don't know anyone who would.

I was in a pretty expensive restaurant recently and the head chef had one full sleeve and his surname written vertically on the other, I thought it was a step in the right direction

Tzar Chasm

Sonics2k wrote: »

Motorist wrote: »

There are genuine reasons for people getting tattoos - cultural, religious, a personal narrative. I imagine the poster is referring to the cohort of those who get tattoos out of impulsiveness, suffering from body dysmorphic disorder, associations with criminal gangs, protestation against society, victims of abuse or those with addictive personality.

To be fair, the exact same can be said about clothing and hairstyles.

Yes but if i suddenly decided to wear brightly colored trousers as a statement of my 'individuality' I could take them off after I got over that phase of my life, I wouldn't have permanently branded myself

BUBBLE WRAP

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

Yes but if i suddenly decided to wear brightly colored trousers as a statement of my 'individuality' I could take them off after I got over that phase of my life, I wouldn't have permanently branded myself

Why would it worrie you that someone else has "branded" (as you call it)themself. Not going to affect you, or is it?

Tzar Chasm

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

Yes but if i suddenly decided to wear brightly colored trousers as a statement of my 'individuality' I could take them off after I got over that phase of my life, I wouldn't have permanently branded myself

Why would it worrie you that someone else has "branded" (as you call it)themself. Not going to affect you, or is it?

Dosent Worry me in the slightest, it makes Spot the Scumbag a lot easier tho

BUBBLE WRAP

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

Dosent Worry me in the slightest, it makes Spot the Scumbag a lot easier tho

Really? The why do you clame someone with tattoos is a scumbag?

Sonics2k

That is a risk people can take.

I'm quite old-school in how I view tattoos, I personally believe people should put time and thought into what they want to get done, and more importantly, why they want to get it done.

My oldest tattoo is now over 10 years old, and I still absolutely love it. In fact I still like all of the work I've had done, and each one serves as a fantastic reminder for a period of my life.

I'm a snob about it, and I do think people should be more clever when they get work done. As an example, quite recently a friend of my girlfriend showed me two little smiley faces she had done on each of her thumbs, and I honest to god laughed in her face. She's not a scumbag by any means, she just happened to think it was a good idea at the time, and I said it was a bad idea. Hopefully she'll prove me wrong and she'll always love them, but I'm probably right here.

But what bothered me about your post was the sweeping statement and ignorant belief that everyone with a tattoo is a scumbag, because it's just plain nonsense.
I'm certainly not a scumbag, and if you met me in the street or a bar, you would have no idea that I had tattoos unless I actually showed them to you.

Tzar Chasm

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

Dosent Worry me in the slightest, it makes Spot the Scumbag a lot easier tho

Really? The why do you clame someone with tattoos is a scumbag?

Because visible tattoos are a trait of scumbags

BadGirl

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

Because visible tattoos are a trait of scumbags

Oh, just sod off somewhere with your sweeping generalisations.....

Karen23

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

Because visible tattoos are a trait of scumbags

Ok :rolleyes:

Adyx

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

Because visible tattoos are a trait of scumbags

No they're not and it's already been proven to you earlier in the thread that having visible tattoos does not make you a scumbag or mean you are a scumbag. There is zero correlation between the two and you haven't given any sort of evidence for your claim except to repeat "tattoo = scumbag".

So can you backup what you're saying or will you admit your argument is crap? And no personal anecdotes about some local scumbag either please. Real evidence that having tattoos (visible or not) means you are a scumbag.

Pushtrak

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

Can you expand on this

This was in relation to your not going to a lawyer on the basis of it showing they have a history of bad decisions. Of course, everyone makes bad decisions. And presumably you'd have made a bad decision if you were to need a lawyer. Also the fact that it has been pointed out you wouldn't know a lawyer had a tat or not as they could have one you just couldn't see.

BadGirl wrote: »

I hope you are never in a situation where you are judged to be a scumbag or a chav or something else so derogatory, just because of what you wear, what you look like, what car you drive or whatever......

Sadly, reality is such that presumably everyone here has been judged as one thing or another. Not necessarily a scumbag or chav, but some character trait X has undoubtedly been assumed from attribute/perceived attribute Y.

Motorist wrote: »

You're in an emergency situation to save some of your spinal root nerves. You have just been in a car accident and have about five minutes to decide and give your consent. There is no time to check track record, history, qualifications.

I give my consent to the surgery, and leave the decision as to who carries it out to one in a better position to assess the qualifications of said surgeons. I am not going to know more about which one is more qualified, and wouldn't have the wisdom/temperance to make such a choice even with far more time.

Motorist wrote: »

Would you have done a tattoo version of affirmative action?

I think a better approach may be assessing the two as opposed to each other and not have this one factor be a decider. Work ethic would be far more important, for one thing.

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

well it shows poor judgement and an attention seeking nature, so probably more of a mental disorder

Tats are not my thing, but this says more about you than it does about any person who has a tat.

Xavi6

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

I was in a situation like this, hiring a truck driver once two guys with similar qualifications both with decent references, one had arm tattoos and one of those stupid hole in his ear things, the other one got tne job

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

Because visible tattoos are a trait of scumbags

Either a troll or just a sad example of how backward Irish society still is in some quarters. Time to catch up with the rest of the world.

Judging someone based solely on a tattoo is cringeworthy (as are the posts of those in this thread doing so). No interest in tattoos myself and think the majority are ill thought out and tacky but that's just my opinion. I'd never judge someone based on that alone and to be honest anyone who does is an arsehole not worth the time of day.