Barman with tattoos

thebostoncrab

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

Leeg17 wrote: »

Since when do tattoos and piercings = mental illness?

well it shows poor judgement and an attention seeking nature, so probably more of a mental disorder

I'll let you know a little about myself.

I work full time as a tour guide in a museum. Previous to this I worked in the civil service. I have a BA behind me and have teaches children aged 5 - 14 theatre and stage performance. When I started I had dreadlocks and I have two visable tattoos on my forearms and alot more around the rest of my body. I don't have the dreadlocks anymore; I cut them off for charity and raised alot of money for it.

In every single job I have had management comment on the high levels I have performed at, parents have commented about how I have gotten their kids out of their shells including one with a serious mental disorder and have constant positive feedback from customers.

Not once have my tattoos come into play in a negative fashion. One employer actually commented that it showed I had self expression which would be a great trait to have for the job.

Now, I find your comment about people with tattoos being "scumbags" more pathetic than offensive to be honest with you, and I think it's disappointing that you would refuse someone a job on this basis alone.

However, your comment that anyone with a tattoo has a mental illness, this I find to be highly offensive and short minded, because I actually do have a mental illness. I'm bipolar. There is an amazingly insightful and powerful thread here in AH where people are very open about depression and other mental illnesses. Comments and thoughts like yours are the very reason why people with these illnesses are afraid to speak out and actually look for help, out of fear that they will be judged for something they do not choose to live with.

I can already hear your defensive, "But people with tattoos choose to do this to themselves" which is true but it does NOT make it a mental illness and by labelling it as one with such a large amount of negativity is alot more damaging than any piece of ink a barman happens to have on his arm.

So next time you decide to post something or open your mouth think about what the hell you are actually saying, because only one person in this thread is coming across as a scumbag, and he/she doesn't hae any tattoos.

the_syco

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

well it shows poor judgement and an attention seeking nature, so probably more of a mental disorder

One could say this about your posting...

Paparazzo

Motorist wrote: »

Yeah, sometimes weather reports are wrong too. But given the choice of two orthopedic surgeons to operate on your spinal cord - one with his arms covered in tattoos, and with piercings, the other wearing a suit and looking generally clean cut - it's obvious which one the majority of people would choose.

We should put up a thread poll:

You the choice of two orthopedic surgeons to operate on your spinal cord, which one would you choose?

1. The one with tattoos
2. The one with no tattoos who wears a suit
3. The best one. I don't care if he has tats or not as long as he's good at his job.

Lets see if you're right.

PizzamanIRL

Some people. Oh no he has tattos, i can't drink here

Paparazzo

"I'm a psycho, but I'm afraid of people with tattoos"

Worst. psycho. ever!

Blazer

I remember getting a job in a hotel when I was younger.
The attire (shirt + black slacks). The shirt was the very same as the eason's bag which everyone always commented on.
When I mentioned to the manager that I had a tatoo on my arm she said i wasn't a problem if I wore a long sleeved shirt (not available in the eason's bag ) at which naturally I was delighted to do.
The other co-workers would always get mad when I'd slag them about their shirts
Nowadays I'm an Advisor in a multinational company and never found any issues with it and definitely not a scumbag.
If I had to do it over again though I would definitely have either not got it or in another place not normally visible as I think I am more self conscious of it than other people.

BUBBLE WRAP

"Oh dear, that chap has tattoos, he must be an uneducated scumbag."

:rolleyes:

Tzar Chasm

Paparazzo wrote: »

"I'm a psycho, but I'm afraid of people with tattoos"

Worst. psycho. ever!

Who said I was afraid of people with tattoos, I just find them unsightly and would have no interest in conversing with some tattooed scumbag. dosent mean I'm afraid of them just that I consider them Untermensch

Leeg17

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

Who said I was afraid of people with tattoos, I just find them unsightly and would have no interest in conversing with some tattooed scumbag. dosent mean I'm afraid of them just that I consider them Untermensch

Post in this thread again and you'll get banned.

Raven_Melody

This thread is making me want to break my computer.

It would make no difference to me at all OP, sure I'd probably spend the night trying to catch his eye:p

shuridunno

Ah c'mon,

Would you refuse lifesaving treatment from a lifeguard, emt or mountain rescue worker because a tattoo peeped out under their clothes.(All previous jobs I've done)

If so, you should wear a tag that says so, that way, I can leave you to you're own devices if I come across you injured and spend my time patching up a person who isn't so backward.

Regards,
A. Scumbag.

Motorist

Paparazzo wrote: »

We should put up a thread poll:

You the choice of two orthopedic surgeons to operate on your spinal cord, which one would you choose?

1. The one with tattoos
2. The one with no tattoos who wears a suit
3. The best one. I don't care if he has tats or not as long as he's good at his job.

Lets see if you're right.

The option of the best one was not available as in the hypothetical scenario presented, it was an emergency spinal operation and no time was available to do background research. A snap judgement was required to choose this guy or this guy to release trapped spinal nerves in order to save bladder and bowel function.

I would choose the latter surgeon. Many on this thread would choose the tattooed guy. For me it would just be an intuitive decision based on what little information is available. Prejudice can operate at an intuitive unconscious level, even in individuals whose conscious attitudes are not prejudiced

Sofaspud

Motorist wrote: »

The option of the best one was not available as in the hypothetical scenario presented, it was an emergency spinal operation and no time was available to do background research. A snap judgement was required to choose this guy or this guy to release trapped spinal nerves in order to save bladder and bowel function.

I would choose the latter surgeon. Many on this thread would choose the tattooed guy. For me it would just be an intuitive decision based on what little information is available. Prejudice can operate at an intuitive unconscious level, even in individuals whose conscious attitudes are not prejudiced

A snap judgement in an emergency? No time for research? I'd choose "It doesn't fcuking matter, just fix me!"

BUBBLE WRAP

Motorist wrote: »

The option of the best one was not available as in the hypothetical scenario presented, it was an emergency spinal operation and no time was available to do background research. A snap judgement was required to choose this guy or this guy to release trapped spinal nerves in order to save bladder and bowel function.

I would choose the latter surgeon. Many on this thread would choose the tattooed guy. For me it would just be an intuitive decision based on what little information is available. Prejudice can operate at an intuitive unconscious level, even in individuals whose conscious attitudes are not prejudiced

But if the fist guy is a surgeon, surely that means he is quilified to do the job?

XxMCRxBabyxX

Paparazzo wrote: »

We should put up a thread poll:

You the choice of two orthopedic surgeons to operate on your spinal cord, which one would you choose?

1. The one with tattoos
2. The one with no tattoos who wears a suit
3. The best one. I don't care if he has tats or not as long as he's good at his job.

Lets see if you're right.

Hang on, how come the one with tattoos isn't wearing a suit? You're adding an extra layer to this.

christmas2012

No i dont really agree i think someone with tatoos could be of sound enough judgement and character etc,so i dont think its fair to judge just like that.
If a barman was serving me and had tatoos i wouldnt mind one bit as long as the price was the average price for a pint and the pint was okay..

shuridunno

In fairness, the first pic is scary, and it wasn't even the tatts that got me, the horns...but I am biased against horns on people...issues with the devil;)

My sister had a spinal tumour and recieved neuro surgery in the Mater last year. The surgeon was great, a bit rough looking and I saw him after work one evening wearing full on biker gear. Not really surgeon like. He did his job, had no visible tattoos but he still nearly killed her....it was his honesty I appreciated, he told us, he was not God and mistakes happen(she bled out on the table and it was the anesthetist that saved her..apparently)

He looked rough, wears biker gear, may have tattoos, but it is him I'II be seeing when my turn is up for a similar op.

Judging by appearence cannot get you anywhere. Unless of course you're biased against human horns:p

Paparazzo

XxMCRxBabyxX wrote: »

Hang on, how come the one with tattoos isn't wearing a suit? You're adding an extra layer to this.

The one with tattoos is naked, rubbing pigs blood onto his erect penis.

the_syco

Motorist wrote: »

A snap judgement was required to choose this guy or this guy to release trapped spinal nerves in order to save bladder and bowel function.

I'd pick the one that was more qualified, and had a better success rate.

Quick question: would you pick the black surgeon, or the white surgeon?

Motorist

the_syco wrote: »

I'd pick the one that was more qualified, and had a better success rate.

Quick question: would you pick the black surgeon, or the white surgeon?

I'd say it doesn't matter and if I had to choose, I'd just flip a coin.

Motorist

shuridunno wrote: »

In fairness, the first pic is scary, and it wasn't even the tatts that got me, the horns...but I am biased against horns on people...issues with the devil;)

My sister had a spinal tumour and recieved neuro surgery in the Mater last year. The surgeon was great, a bit rough looking and I saw him after work one evening wearing full on biker gear. Not really surgeon like. He did his job, had no visible tattoos but he still nearly killed her....it was his honesty I appreciated, he told us, he was not God and mistakes happen(she bled out on the table and it was the anesthetist that saved her..apparently)

He looked rough, wears biker gear, may have tattoos, but it is him I'II be seeing when my turn is up for a similar op.

Judging by appearence cannot get you anywhere. Unless of course you're biased against human horns:p

So you spend a whole post arguing about not judging people on appearances. Yet you have a bias against people with horns

BUBBLE WRAP

Motorist wrote: »

So you spend a whole post arguing about not judging people on appearances. Yet you have a bias against people with horns

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zega

Wouldn't bother me in the slightest if a barman had tatts.It's 2012 for god's sake!

Opticom

zega wrote: »

Wouldn't bother me in the slightest if a barman had titts.It's 2012 for god's sake!

FYP, makes it much more intresting.

BUBBLE WRAP

Opticom wrote: »

FYP, makes it much more intresting.

:rolleyes:

Opticom

BUBBLE WRAP wrote: »

:rolleyes:

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

aaronjumper

Wouldn't bother me, practically all of my friends have tattoos.

bodice ripper

A barman with tattoos wearing short sleeves would change my impression of the member of staff, insofar as I would be 63% more likely to ride them...

BUBBLE WRAP

Opticom wrote: »

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:TAKE THAT! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: AND THAT! :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: AND THAT!!!!!!

Bannasidhe

XxMCRxBabyxX wrote: »

Hang on, how come the one with tattoos isn't wearing a suit? You're adding an extra layer to this.

Because she/he is wearing surgical scrubs not poncing about in a suit when they are meant to be on surgical call in an ER?

Heckler

Unless someone has an overtly racist, homophobic, sexist etc tattoo let them off. I have one high up on my arm (not visible in a tee shirt)that about 4 people know about even though i've had it 7 years. I got it for myself and no one else. Sometimes I even forget i have it (about 4 inches by 4)

The worst tattoo to get is one you want to show off just to be able to say HEY I'VE a TATTOO. Hence the proliferation of tramp stamps etc.

Then again each to they're own. If you want to get inked with a pos for life just to seem cool knock your self out.

SusieBlue

I see no issue with tattoos being on show and a tattoed bartender wouldn't make me think any more or less of the establishment.

Mountainsandh

Karen23 wrote: »

My question is , would a barman with tattoos wearing short sleeves put you off the pub or change your impression of the member of staff..

Yes. I don't think tatoos make anyone a scumbag, but yes it would change my impression of the pub. Regulars might not mind, but what about potential new customers ?
There's an unspoken message in very visible tatoos, just like there is with the new "hole" earrings and such, and like any other human I sense the message and, for my part, don't like it.
As far as I'm concerned, when someone uncovers extensive tatoos to the world, it's like they're pressing "send" on the email.

RuggieMuffin

I think the colour of your skin should affect anybody's opinion of you or their interpretation of how you do your job (whatever career it is) - whether that is natural pigment OR tattooed pigment - It SHOULD not matter. However it does!

Mountainsandh

Massive difference between natural pigment of skin, and choice to get tatooed.

If you choose to get tatooed, you might want to think of how it might affect your professional life, same if you were getting the big holes earrings, and multiple piercings. It's a choice, if you have a problem with it potentially affecting your choice of career, then just don't do it.

RuggieMuffin

Mountainsandh wrote: »

Massive difference between natural pigment of skin, and choice to get tatooed.

If you choose to get tatooed, you might want to think of how it might affect your professional life, same if you were getting the big holes earrings, and multiple piercings. It's a choice, if you have a problem with it potentially affecting your choice of career, then just don't do it.

The point you seemed to miss is whether you have big holes or multiple piercings or tattoos they do not affect your ability to do your job. In any way. It's perception of your ability that is affected and that's simply not right.

shizz

Heckler wrote: »

Unless someone has an overtly racist, homophobic, sexist etc tattoo let them off. I have one high up on my arm (not visible in a tee shirt)that about 4 people know about even though i've had it 7 years. I got it for myself and no one else. Sometimes I even forget i have it (about 4 inches by 4)

The worst tattoo to get is one you want to show off just to be able to say HEY I'VE a TATTOO. Hence the proliferation of tramp stamps etc.

Then again each to they're own. If you want to get inked with a pos for life just to seem cool knock your self out.

Maybe not worded the best hahaha

Mountainsandh

RuggieMuffin wrote: »

The point you seemed to miss is whether you have big holes or multiple piercings or tattoos they do not affect your ability to do your job. In any way. It's perception of your ability that is affected and that's simply not right.

I'm absolutely not implying that the ability to do the job is affected.
But if your job involves interaction with others, then the tatoos have an effect on the interaction.
They are, imo, a form of non verbal communication.

What the wearer wished to communicate, they know best, and is not the point.
The point is that the person on the receiving end of the message, customer in this case, might simply not want to engage in that "non-verbal dialogue".

In other words, cover yourself up in tatoos if you wish, but when in your job, neutral is best. It just makes every day interactions between customer and provider easier, less loaded if you want.

Katgurl

I'm really surprised by the responses here - tattoos are so mainstream now I wouldn't even consider them a statement tbh. Nearly everyone I know has at least one including some people who are so far from scumbags its not funny.

jsd1004

Katgurl wrote: »

I'm really surprised by the responses here - tattoos are so mainstream now I wouldn't even consider them a statement tbh. Nearly everyone I know has at least one including some people who are so far from scumbags its not funny.

So what would your impression be if you go to your local police station, doctor, engineer, architect, teacher, priest and they have a tattoo on their hand/face/neck. I guess they would be a pretty powerful statement

Karen23

jsd1004 wrote: »

So what would your impression be if you go to your local police station, doctor, engineer, architect, teacher, priest and they have a tattoo on their hand/face/neck. I guess they would be a pretty powerful statement

Its been mentioned more than once that the tattoos were on the arms where they can be covered and not on the hand/face/neck.
I think hand/face and neck tattoos are another subject for another thread

Motorist

Karen23 wrote: »

Its been mentioned more than once that the tattoos were on the arms where they can be covered and not on the hand/face/neck.
I think hand/face and neck tattoos are another subject for another thread

So basically you think they're okay once they're hidden away where no-one can see them.

christmas2012

A barman with tatoos hmm almost goes with the job looks part of the furniture..

PickledLime

I don't have tattoos (and have no intention of getting them either), but if i walked into a bar and saw the barman with one (or many), i'd be more inclined to stay there because at least then i know the establishment isn't run by po-faced w*ankers.

Had a lecturer at college, she had a Ph.D. by her mid twenties and worked in DNA research (the lecturing gig was an aside for her). She was also plastered in tattoos. Glad to see someone in a highly respected position like this.

srm23

I dont have problem with tattoos, what i do have big problem with is....

Shortchanging/Stealing from punters.

Seems to be a epidemic of this behaviour going on at the minute. Was attempted on me twice yesterday. Spoke to a couple of friends and a similar thing happened to them.

Seems like more than "innocent mistakes", funny enough have yet to be given more change than I was due.

Do barmen think they can fleece the drunken reveller?

Lowrus

bodice ripper wrote: »

A barman with tattoos wearing short sleeves would change my impression of the member of staff, insofar as I would be 63% more likely to ride them...

This is my fav quote out of 14 pages on this topic