Websites will be forced to Identify trolls (UK)

Temaz

I wonder how all this will play out.

Websites will be legally obliged to provide victims with the identity of people who post abusive and defamatory online messages about them under plans by the Government.

Major reforms of the libel laws will also see internet service providers (ISPs) given greater protection from being sued if they help to identify so-called trolls.
Would-be claimants will have to show they have suffered serious harm to their reputations, or are likely to do so, before they can take a defamation case forward.
It comes after a mother who was targeted by online trolls won backing from the High Court to have her tormentors' identities disclosed.
Nicola Brookes faced "vicious and depraved" abuse on Facebook after she posted a comment supporting former X Factor contestant Frankie Cocozza when he left the show last year.

http://news.sky.com/home/uk-news/article/16245551

FatherLen

this annoys me, there is a big difference between trolls and internet bullies.

Duggy747

Awww, but how am I going to post people's personal info up and make outrageous claims about them now!?!

Robbo

There is absolutely no new legal ground being broken here, either in the UK or Ireland.

"Norwich Pharmacal Orders" have been used for years in the UK to identify online miscreants and they're also applicable here to do the same thing (or parts of the Data Protection Act can be used).

Of course, we now have poor celebrities in the line of fire, so it's big news.

Pushtrak

"Would-be claimants will have to show they have suffered serious harm to their reputations, or are likely to do so, before they can take a defamation case forward."

So, not like all trolls will be tracked down by hounds.

Phill Ewinn

Everyone is a quaaaaar. Come at me bro........

Doc Ruby

FatherLen wrote: »

this annoys me, there is a big difference between trolls and internet bullies.

Meh, most people claiming to be "trolls" just fucked up on the internet and slap a YHBT on it to cover their blushes.

smash

gerryo777 better hide that gun that he's going to kill Seanie Fitz with...

Red Hand

Do I have go back under the bridge again?:(

cocoshovel

WAAAA! I get upset about what people say to me online. Im too stupid to just block the user or close the tab and forget about it! I cant control my own feelings because I'm a complete moron! WAAAHHH!

Anybody who avails of this is a twát and I hope they get abused worse.

Logical Fallacy

cocoshovel wrote: »

WAAAA! I get upset about what people say to me online. Im too stupid to just block the user or close the tab and forget about it! I cant control my own feelings because I'm a complete moron! WAAAHHH!

Anybody who avails of this is a twát and I hope they get abused worse.

Do you know anything about the case mentioned in the OP?

It was some pretty vicious stuff.

ronkmonster

How will they indentify them? If it's just IP information then it's not much use.

CardBordWindow

But once they're identified, what's gonna happen?
Are they gonna get kicked in the face??

smash

CardBordWindow wrote: »

But once they're identified, what's gonna happen?
Are they gonna get kicked in the face??

They'll be made into rage face comics.

toexpress

FatherLen wrote: »

this annoys me, there is a big difference between trolls and internet bullies.

I genuinely thought it was one in the same can anyone explain the difference between the two for my benefit?

I have a guy who follows me around different sites and is to my mind a bully and is constantly referred to by other users of one site in particular as a troll. He is a particularly vile individual it has to be said but that is why I don't fully understand why you would have a significant difference between the two types

AnonoBoy

Yikes

Biggins

Red Hand wrote: »

Do I have go back under the bridge again?:(

They are trying to take away your bridge!

donegal_road

if your trolling always wear protection

toexpress

You know we joke about this but it is actually a pretty nasty experience to be on the end of this sort of campaign. In some senses it can be a bit frightening as well because you can't predict what this sort of person might do.

A few months ago when I was getting bombarded with different messages from the aforementioned cyber nut it got a bit much and I eventually went to the Gardai. They said they would go out and warn him off, that he would go away for a while and then come back at me, they would warn again, he would go away and he would stay away a bit longer this time and they would try that approach for a period of time to see if that got results.

I had to go back to them on Sunday evening. Now to be fair this guy made threats against my family and myself (it would seem he is some friend of an ex) But the point of all of this is, joke if you like but it is important to be able to deal with these sort of people because there is something a bit awry upstairs and it might be harmless enough behind a computer screen but what happens when they appear with a vat of acid? Will we laugh then?

Skid

Nothing new here. The Gardaí can issue Boards and other sites with Section 8 orders, and the sites are forced to hand over your details.

Don't post anything you can't stand over.

DeVore wrote: »

A Section 8 is a Judge-ordered instruction to release data. It would be contempt of court to refuse. If you dont comply, you go to jail.... in fact afaik its the only thing Liam Lawlor ever saw the inside of a jail for.

We comply with any Section 8's we get but they arent common. Most websites comply with any Garda request for information or legal threatening letter, while we make them go get a judges order so its not like we give up data easily.

The majority dont come from the Gardai at all, they come from libel cases where someone wants to prove someone elses identity.

S8's are rare though, they are hard to get because they require a sitting of a judge who will ask a lot of questions as to why its needed etc. They are a million times harder to get then a standard threatening legal letter (which we could paper the walls with and which we dont release info on receipt of).

We probably get 1-3 S8's a year.

DeV.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=72152962&postcount=10

uncle_sam_ie

The internet bully meme is a façade. They're only doing this as a precipice to full censorship of the net. They can't have the salves talking freely amongst each other. It's becoming too dangerous.

zagmund

toe - a troll *can* be someone who just likes to stir things up by posting controversial comments. They may also be a bully, but not necessarily.

Say someone comes on and says "Leinster won the Heineken Cup and deserved to win the Pro 12 also" - a troll might reply with "They didn't deserve to win either and I hope they don't win next year or any year"

There's nothing about the reply that indicates they are a bully. They just have a different view. A crazy view, some might say . They are trolling. They are not bullying.

Now, if they start replying to every single post with this sort of nonsense, or they reply to one individuals posts all the time - this is where the move from troll to bully begins.

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bb1234567

Am I alone here in not caring whatsoever about what people online think of me? Some person you have never even met in real life off in some other corner of the planet is hardly going to affect your everday life, so why do people care?You dont see them during your regular day routines and the dont see you,therefore they are unimportant to non-cyber side of life.And even if you do care then just block them ,or tell a site admin to ban them or if its some other site just log out or close it? So stupid.. The only place I could imagine itd matter is facebook because people you see regularly in real life can you see you being bullied/slagged but why not just block the aggressor and why in hell did he/she even add them as friends in the first place?!?!

al28283

cocoshovel wrote: »

WAAAA! I get upset about what people say to me online. Im too stupid to just block the user or close the tab and forget about it! I cant control my own feelings because I'm a complete moron! WAAAHHH!

Anybody who avails of this is a twát and I hope they get abused worse.

He was threatening to kill one of her kids! Is she a twat for being bothered by this?

Logical Fallacy

bb1234567 wrote: »

Am I alone here in not caring whatsoever about what people online think of me? Some person you have never even met in real life off in some other corner of the planet is hardly going to affect your everday life, so why do people care?You dont see them during your regular day routines and the dont see you,therefore they are unimportant to non-cyber side of life.And even if you do care then just block them ,or tell a site admin to ban them or if its some other site just log out or close it? So stupid.. The only place I could imagine itd matter is facebook because people you see regularly in real life can you see you being bullied/slagged but why not just block the aggressor and why in hell did he/she even add them as friends in the first place?!?!

I am not sure what you are talking about. The person in the story had a complaint because people set up a false account pretending to be her and implying she was a pedophile and a drug dealer.

It wasn't about what "people think of her", it was a concerted campaign to smear her, cause her legal and social problems and libel.

Run_to_da_hills

This is all about internet censorship and the imposition of e_signitires which was recently discussed at EU level. What good is it to be able to track down material produced by an ISP if they cannot put a face to it.

AnonoBoy

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

What good is it to be able to track down material produced by an ISP if they cannot put a face to it.

They can already do that quite easily. Can't they?

Run_to_da_hills

AnonoBoy wrote: »

They can already do that quite easily. Can't they?

No, Whats stopping someone hacking into an unauthorized WIFI account?

Not too long ago Keygens were floating around Dublin for a major internet provider.

It would also be quite difficult to keep track on individuals that are using public PC's in net cafe's, collage and public library environments.

This is not good news for civil liberties.

dermiek

If they go looking for trolls on boards.ie, someone is in for a big shock.

Run_to_da_hills

dermiek wrote: »

If they go looking for trolls on boards.ie, someone is in for a big shock.

Hopefully it will be able to weed out the problem of trolls using multiple accounts.