Base Jumper Dies ... his own fault ?

Winty

It sad that somebody has died but he was a base Jumper who selfishly did not think of his 7 months pregnant wife when he jumped of a cliff for his own personal pleasure.

His mother is not blaming him but the rescue team for not sending a helicopter...

What do you think ? when somebody puts their life at risk do they pick up the bill and send rescuers into danger to safe some thrill seeker?

[www.standard.co.uk/news/london/base-jumper-who-died-after-being-left-hanging-by-parachute-for-three-hours-could-have-been-saved-by-helicopter-says-mother-7844318.html[/URL]

Guill

Of course it is his own fault. ffs.

The King of Moo

It's his fault for jumping off big things, and it's also the fault of the people who could've sent help more quickly.

coolmoose

OT you need to fix the URL.

his own fault IMO.

aaronjumper

Yes it's his own fault, life has enough dangers without intentionally creating your own, just to get some thrills.

silvine

Winty wrote: »

It sad that somebody has died but he was a base Jumper who selfishly did not think of his 7 months pregnant wife when he jumped of a cliff for his own personal pleasure.

His mother is not blaming him but the rescue team for not sending a helicopter...

What do you think ? when somebody puts their life at risk do they pick up the bill and send rescuers into danger to safe some thrill seeker?

http://http://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/base-jumper-who-died-after-being-left-hanging-by-parachute-for-three-hours-could-have-been-saved-by-helicopter-says-mother-7844318.html

I think you should learn about spelling, grammar and punctuation.

Winty

silvine wrote: »

I think you should learn about spelling, grammar and punctuation.

Thanks what bits offend you

Red Hand

Yes, it's his own fault. Tragedy, but that's what he chose to do.

silvine

Winty wrote: »

Thanks what bits offend you

The suggestion that it's his fault, but I figured I'd start with the basics of your post and work from there.

maglite

We are entitled to do fun and stupid things.

Should we give up live to live longer. I'm almost certain sports like Football, Horse Riding, Rugby are many times dangerous, not to mention Cars, Bikes etc...

NIMAN

There would not have been the need for a helicopter if he had not have been stupid.

Fundamentally his fault, but a sad loss for his family.

BattleCorp

This is up there with people who climb mountains and stuff like that.

If dumb fcuks do dangerous sh1t, then bad things can happen. Don't go blaming other people when sh1t goes bad because of your own stupidity.

In my opinion, fcukers who do base jumping, mountain climbing and other dangerous stuff should be left there instead of having sensible people risk their lives to go up and save them.

cocoshovel

Perhaps he is, perhaps he isnt. Did he want to die? Probably not.
If you crash your car in the morning and die, is it your fault because you chose to get into a metal box that travels at 100kmh? Let him do what he wants and dont give lectures on people's personal interests and hobbies.

Also the link is borked

af_thefragile

I often wonder where do all these base jumpers, squirrel suit jumpers, mountain climbers and thrill seekers as such get the money to waste on their frivolous pursuits?? As many such people are "professional" thrill seekers and do little else than finding new places to jump off from...

cocoshovel

af_thefragile wrote: »

I often wonder where do all these base jumpers, squirrel suit jumpers and thrill seekers as such get the money to waste on their frivolous pursuits?? As many such people are "professional" thrill seekers and do little else than finding new places to jump off from...

Thats none of your business where he gets the money from. Honestly some of you people are so dull in here.

ejmaztec

silvine wrote: »

I think you should learn about spelling, grammar and punctuation.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=63152137#post63152137


:P

Winty

silvine wrote: »

The suggestion that it's his fault, but I figured I'd start with the basics of your post and work from there.

More Please

af_thefragile

cocoshovel wrote: »

Thats none of your business where he gets the money from. Honestly some of you people are so dull in here.

I'm not talking about the guy who died but the guys who do these sorta things in general...

Odysseus

maglite wrote: »

We are entitled to do fun and stupid things.

Should we give up live to live longer. I'm almost certain sports like Football, Horse Riding, Rugby are many times dangerous, not to mention Cars, Bikes etc...

I done a small bit of jumping when I was younger, the stats they used to give out was that offically fishing was the most dangerous sport. Apparently world wide more people die whilst fishing than anything else. I knew it was boring but I didn't think it was that bad.

cocoshovel

af_thefragile wrote: »

I'm not talking about the guy who died but the guys who do these sorta things in general...

Still though. people can spend their money on what they like, as long as its legal.

Winty

ejmaztec wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=63152137#post63152137


:P

Thank You ejmaztec.

El Weirdo

silvine wrote: »

I think you should learn about spelling, grammar and punctuation.

And I think you should read the part of the charter that ejmaztec kindly linked to.

/mod

whatdoicare

What a stupid fool.

I'm sure his son/daughter will be delighted to find out that he/she grew up without a father because he thoughtlessly threw his life away in the persuit of his own pleasure.

spurious

Sad all round, but when he was going to be a father he really should have thought a bit more about unnecessarily putting himself in danger. More than just himself to consider in that situation.

MaxSteele

Yeah it's risky ....

But leaving him there for three hours on an island as tiny as zante ??

Pure laziness and carelessness on the emergency services part.

You could drive the width and breadth of zante in less than three hours. Preventable tragedy imo.

Pigeon Reaper

Using a helicopter to rescue the casualty is a very bad idea as the down draught would have possibly caught the parachute and finished the job whilst endangering the helicopter crew. The height or the cliff above the casualty and the wind conditions are also omitted from the report which are vital to the use of a helicopter for any casualty extraction. The only safe method is to lower someone from the top.

Small islands also tend not to have specialist teams with equipment standing by to rescue people. It takes time to get resources to a remote location.

the_syco

She said he had moved onto base jumping from skydiving about two years ago and had travelled around the world to do it. He was in the process of buying a flat with his partner Anita and she believed this was to be his last jump before they started a family together.

He goes from tobacco to heroin, and she believes it's his last jump? I call shenanigans.

If you do an extreme sport in the middle of nowhere, don't be surprised when no-one can rescue you!

Shryke

cocoshovel wrote: »

Thats none of your business where he gets the money from. Honestly some of you people are so dull in here.

They get their thrills opening the fridge.

Winty

The King of Moo wrote: »

It's his fault for jumping off big things, and it's also the fault of the people who could've sent help more quickly.

Thats the thing to send a Helicopter at the drop of a hat is big money and who pays the bill.

Now i know anyone of us could crash a car or fall down a hole but not many of us take big risks like base jumping so should this guy have considered this and maybe did his sport with others in a controled area and not alone on some beach in the middle of knoewhere?

Still sad i am not trying to make a dig at the poor chap

kerry4sam

linkie.

I am sorry for his family & friends. No-one deserves(d) anything like this:

... he was left dangling by his tangled parachute for three hours.

:eek:

he had moved onto base jumping from skydiving about two years ago and had travelled around the world to do it ... This was their last holiday before the baby. He had already done three jumps and this was his last one before coming home

That's just pure sad to read tbh!

All extreme sports carry their risks though. If you are not in to extreme sports then you probably won't grasp that inner feeling that drives; or encourages you to finally make the leap into the unknown.

Thanks Winty for this.

Bell Butter

There's a great doc on Netflix about base jumping, it's about a guy from London that does most of his base jumping off sky scrapers and apartment blocks, and at night. His wife said she didn't want kids because she would be constantly worrying about him disappearing in the middle of the night and never returning.

She believed he was addicted to it and would never give it up.

Winty

Pigeon Reaper wrote: »

Using a helicopter to rescue the casualty is a very bad idea as the down draught would have possibly caught the parachute and finished the job whilst endangering the helicopter crew.

Thats a good point the poor guy steering the helicopter could smash into the cliff

aaronjumper

This isn't about how or why he did it, or about some inner feelings he may or may not have had, it's also not about whether or not he deserved it.

This is about whether or not it was his own fault. He jumped off, he wasn't pushed or bribed or bullied into doing it.

He did it of his won free will and while it is very sad for him and his family, the point remains. It's no ones fault but his own.

Zab

Winty wrote: »

It sad that somebody has died but he was a base Jumper who selfishly did not think of his 7 months pregnant wife when he jumped of a cliff for his own personal pleasure.

His mother is not blaming him but the rescue team for not sending a helicopter...

What do you think ? when somebody puts their life at risk do they pick up the bill and send rescuers into danger to safe some thrill seeker?

[www.standard.co.uk/news/london/base-jumper-who-died-after-being-left-hanging-by-parachute-for-three-hours-could-have-been-saved-by-helicopter-says-mother-7844318.html[/URL]

Even though nobody has suggested it wasn't his fault you've written your post to imply that somebody had. All his mother is quoted as saying is that they could have sent a helicopter to save him but opted not to. If true then I would entirely agree with her, although I'd also charge for rescuing people doing high-risk activities.

af_thefragile

I'm all for extreme sports but ultimately it is a bit pointless to die doing something as such...

Although I do realise its a way of life for some people and they accept the risks it involves. Still its a bit of a waste of life if you die pursuing something that's just a hobby.

Though I guess same could be said for sportsmen who die due to sporting accidents or even people who live carelessly and end up dying by a consuming unhealthy foods or doing drugs n stuff...

Pottler

I blame the bit of ground he hit. Feckin solid objects, who put that there?

It wasn't me!

Winty wrote: »

controled area

That shows absolutely no understanding of the nature or reason in extreme sports and the like. The guy died pushing his own boundaries, and it's sad, and tragic, but the idea that people shouldn't do this for reasons like potential cost is ridiculous. Similarly, my dad worked in construction. Friends' fathers were soldiers. Plenty of people I knew had parents who worked in risky jobs to feed and clothe them, so the argument that he shouldn't have done it because he was a father is also ridiculous, to my mind. People die every day. Most, however, don't. The day we start wrapping ourselves in bubble wrap, we've lost any hope of ever advancing ourselves.

looksee

The only reason people do these sports is because of the danger. That's where the thrill is. If he just wanted to come down under a parachute he could have stuck to skydiving, which is dangerous enough, but not stupid.

I think there should be access to dangerous sports, in the absence of wars some people - well mostly young men - need to challenge themselves and take risks. But, they should insure themselves against the cost of rescue, or find themselves paying for it. And rescue should only be available when it does not put rescuers lives at unreasonable risk.

Surely that is the point of dangerous sports, you are gambling with your life, that's the buzz. If you are going to expect other people to gamble with their lives to accommodate your wish to live dangerously, then you are losing the point of the sport.

falan

Bell Butter wrote: »

There's a great doc on Netflix about base jumping, it's about a guy from London that does most of his base jumping off sky scrapers and apartment blocks, and at night. His wife said she didn't want kids because she would be constantly worrying about him disappearing in the middle of the night and never returning.

She believed he was addicted to it and would never give it up.

Was it called "the men who jump off buildings"?

Really good documentary..

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-men-who-jump-off-buildings/4od#3118940

Yeh, course it was his own fault. Doesn't mean he should have stayed at home all safe and sound though.

Guy:Incognito

maglite wrote: »

We are entitled to do fun and stupid things.

Should we give up live to live longer. I'm almost certain sports like Football, Horse Riding, Rugby are many times dangerous, not to mention Cars, Bikes etc...

Who said your not entitled to do fun and/or stupid things? You just have to accept the blame when things go wrong as a result.

Bell Butter

falan wrote: »

Was it called "the men who jump off buildings"?

Really good documentary..

http://www.channel4.com/programmes/the-men-who-jump-off-buildings/4od#3118940

That's the one

falan

Bell Butter wrote: »

That's the one

Yeah its a while since i saw it, might just watch it again...Crazy life but they know the risks.

RustyNut

BattleCorp wrote: »

In my opinion, fcukers who do base jumping, mountain climbing and other dangerous stuff should be left there instead of having sensible people risk their lives to go up and save them.

I think you will find that the fcukers who do base jumping, mountain climbing, caving etc are the same people who risk their lives on rescue teams to save other people who get into trouble, without making judgements.

prinz

Dumbass.

donegal_road

if the hlicopter wasn't a runner, then the emergency services were left with 2 options imo. A really long rope lowered from the top of the cliff...the cliff is 900ft, and he was 230ft from the ground.
2nd option would be to have something on the ground that would break his fall.. what that would be, I dont know.
It wouldn't have taken 3 hours to attach several climbing ropes together and lower it down.. then at least he'd have been safe until they figured out how to get him down. According to witnesses they seemed to be doing nothing,

I think he was incredibly, incredibly selfish. It's one thing to be a thrill seeker when you're young and single, but he's just left a child without a father for no good reason. Those comparing it to driving a car are being ridiculous. Cars are largely essential for getting around. Base jumping has no purpose at all except an adrenaline rush. He knew what he was getting into - the fatality rate for this 'sport' is ridiculously high.

Sure, he had the right to do whatever he wanted, but it made me angry to open the evening paper tonight and read about his mum complaining that the Greeks should have sent a helicopter. Greece hardly has money to rescue people like this when its own citizens are dying because there aren't enough ambulances available and there's no money to run the hospitals. And he was hardly in the middle of Athens - he chose an isolated spot which could only be reached by boat. He took the risk and it didn't work out for him. There's nobody to blame but himself. Pity his girlfriend and unborn child have to suffer the consequences.

Odysseus

Maxwell Hissing Toothache wrote: »

Base jumping has no purpose at all except an adrenaline rush. He knew what he was getting into - the fatality rate for this 'sport' is ridiculously high.

Do you have any reference for that?

prinz

Odysseus wrote: »

Do you have any reference for that?

Veterans of BASE jumping -- an acronym that stands for parachute free falls from buildings, antennae, spans or earth -- call their sport the most dangerous in the world, with only 1,200 experienced jumpers and at least 115 fatalities.

http://blog.washingtonpost.com/why-we-compete/2007/11/adrenaline.html

Last year on Bridge Day, one of BASE jumping's pioneers died when his parachute deployed too close to the ground. After a 27-minute delay, the next jumper leapt off the platform.

Gobshítes.

http://journal.nzma.org.nz/journal/121-1277/3134/

paddy147

Can someone tell me how the fcuk a helicopter is meant to get near him on that rock face?? (picture attached)

The mother hasnt got a clue and is way out of line for blaming her sons death on the rescue team.

Raiser

Rescue teams shouldn't be obliged to endanger their own lives bailing out champion idiots like this - Just Darwinism really.....