Cheating in Exams........

fizzyorange

No

People defending cheaters just because you've known them for years make absolutely no sense. It doesn't justify what they are doing at all! If someone got a place in the course I wanted by cheating and I didn't by being honest I would be absolutely furious.

Dapics

This topic seems to be very conscientious

Put yourself in the poor young mans shoes
Compare your situation to him.
If you reported him or anyone, how could you live with yourself?

Honestly, I would never cheat as I belief in morality and ethics. I believe what will be will be.
Anyone who is willing to cheat is clearly in a state of distress.

Instead of reporting him, how about talking to him and explaining how you feel about his behaviour. Try to understand his reasons for cheating, if it is to some degree a legitimate reason then accept that.

It is not up to you to decide who gets 600 points or who dosent because someone reported his behaviour.

The young man for whom this thread orginated clearly is going through a tough time and is without a doubt under severe stress.
Have some respect for that all of ye, how can ye judge him when ye dont know the circumstances that led to him resorting to cheating in the first place?

At the end of the day, alot of people here are contradicting themselves by saying that a cheater should be reported due to the fact that may to some degree impact their future... yet it is not only him who is selfish, by reporting him one would be resorting to selfishness in that they are eliminating one more threat to their course.

MissLuse

QueenOfLeon wrote: »

If everyone took your opinion, it would soon get around that no one will ever report a cheater and everyone would be at it. People tempted to cheat should know that they will be reported and the consequences that they should face. You can't defend the poor cheater who can't sit a state examination for years, that is the punishment that is set out.

The majority of the country already doesnt report cheaters... its the attendents who catch cheaters.. it shouldnt be there own classmates..

FaoiSin

No

MissLuse wrote: »

A proper A1 SLIME!! These are the people youve grown up alongside, Your friends, your peers... Yeah youll get where you want to go by earning it but not by backstabbing...
You earn nothing by failing your friends....

A1 slime?

Listen, I'm entitled to my opinion and you to yours but I don't see how you think it's right to cheat in an exam which affects others. None of my friends have cheated.

MissLuse

Dapics wrote: »

Instead of reporting him, how about talking to him and explaining how you feel about his behaviour. Try to understand his reasons for cheating, if it is to some degree a legitimate reason then accept that.
It is not up to you[/B] to decide who gets 600 points or who dosent because someone reported his behaviour.
.

Wise words...

Ihatetheleavin

No

Also a lot of people have been claiming their examiner has given them extra time I think that's really unfair considering the fact they are supposed to be there to ensure fairness to all candidates sitting the leaving.

Beware

MissLuse wrote: »

A proper A1 SLIME!! These are the people youve grown up alongside, Your friends, your peers... Yeah youll get where you want to go by earning it but not by backstabbing...
You earn nothing by failing your friends....

Imagine, if you will, you worked hard all year for a course. You want this course - it will lead you to your dream job, and you have worked tirelessly all year hoping to get into this course. Then comes exam day, and right in front of your very eyes you see a person cheating, and what's worse, they have put down the same course as you.

Will that person be such a good "friend" then?

checkcheek

i think people should be reported, if everyone(say 50 people) has that " oh its just one person cheating" attitude then there is not just one person getting away and maybe taking a place but 50 people, and this has knock on affects

fizzyorange

No

Dapics wrote: »

This topic seems to be very conscientious

Put yourself in the poor young mans shoes
Compare your situation to him.
If you reported him or anyone, how could you live with yourself?

Honestly, I would never cheat as I belief in morality and ethics. I believe what will be will be.
Anyone who is willing to cheat is clearly in a state of distress.

Instead of reporting him, how about talking to him and explaining how you feel about his behaviour. Try to understand his reasons for cheating, if it is to some degree a legitimate reason then accept that.

It is not up to you to decide who gets 600 points or who dosent because someone reported his behaviour.

The young man for whom this thread orginated clearly is going through a tough time and is without a doubt under severe stress.

But EVERYONE is stressed and under pressure. By that logic, all 50,000 or so of Leaving Cert students should be allowed to cheat! At the end of the day, the Leaving Cert is a stepping stone to get you into college, it's highly competitive, everyone is under pressure, and I personally haven't got the time or energy to ask someone cheating in exams about their feckin' feelings when I have my own exams to prepare for, the honest way. They should just suck it up, everyone else is.

Chavways

No

Dapics wrote: »

This topic seems to be very conscientious

Put yourself in the poor young mans shoes
Compare your situation to him.
If you reported him or anyone, how could you live with yourself?

Honestly, I would never cheat as I belief in morality and ethics. I believe what will be will be.
Anyone who is willing to cheat is clearly in a state of distress.

Instead of reporting him, how about talking to him and explaining how you feel about his behaviour. Try to understand his reasons for cheating, if it is to some degree a legitimate reason then accept that.

It is not up to you to decide who gets 600 points or who dosent because someone reported his behaviour.

The young man for whom this thread orginated clearly is going through a tough time and is without a doubt under severe stress.

Who isn't under severe stress at this time of year? Everyone about to go mad because of the pressure we're under.In my opinion no matter how bad things are nobody should cheat.I'd never be able to live with myself if I cheated.Everybody has 2 years to study the course.Even if you do almost nothing in class you should have some grasp of the topic.

leaveiton

No

I'm not going to see the vast majority from my year again so I probably wouldn't care if they all thought I was a rat. Besides, it's unlikely that they'd even find out I'd said something.

Bears and Vodka

No

I suppose that cheaters who cheated their way to a certain course rather than doing work will eventually get their comeuppance when they enter college and will not be able to cope with the work.

Dapics, I'm not sure stress/pressure counts as a legitimate reason for cheating. A lot of students are under severe pressure to perform.

MissLuse

YeaaahFaoiSin wrote: »

A1 slime?

Listen, I'm entitled to my opinion and you to yours but I don't see how you think it's right to cheat in an exam which affects others. None of my friends have cheated.

Right fair enough... i apologise... I have never cheated but in my OWN opinion i would never ever snitch on a classmate... Whatever will be, will be...
I can only wish them the very best of luck and congratulate them on wherever their future may lead them...

And with that i would like to wish everyone the best of luck in the following exams... (even the cheaters and the snitches)... and Im sure everyone will do awesome...

Cruel Sun

No

andrew241983 wrote: »

Haha billy no mates:D

Ha ha, that was pretty funny, I see what you did there.:rolleyes:

But seriously, the friends you have in secondary school aren't really going to influence your life in the grand scheme of things. Yeah, you'll have had some good times with them, but I'd still report them for cheating. Someones college place is at stake. There career. There life. Why should some cheat take that away from them?

Dapics

fizzyorange wrote: »

But EVERYONE is stressed and under pressure. By that logic, all 50,000 or so of Leaving Cert students should be allowed to cheat! At the end of the day, the Leaving Cert is a stepping stone to get you into college, it's highly competitive, everyone is under pressure, and I personally haven't got the time or energy to ask someone cheating in exams about their feckin' feelings when I have my own exams to prepare for, the honest way. They should just suck it up, everyone else is.

When did i imply that everyone should be allowed to cheat?

Please re-read my post.
I have tried to comment effectively and give a different point of view to that of many people within this forum yet i cannot comprehend the words I am reading.

Many of you are arguing that it is immoral to cheat, i totally agree!
Where I differ is that it is not up to you to decide whether someone screams for joy when they recieve their course, or whether they detiorate into a compendium of tears, shocked that their examinations have been rendered null due to cheating.

This is a situation where it is best left unresolved.

Bears and Vodka

No

What does the SEC say regarding reporting cheating anyway? Maybe they don't review cheating reports from candidates at all, so the thread is pointless?

smithy77

No

If cheats are caught aren't they banned from state exams for 7 years? That includes driving test aswell doesn't it? .. Seriously not worth it!

Bears and Vodka

No

smithy77 wrote: »

If cheats are caught aren't they banned from state exams for 7 years? That includes driving test aswell doesn't it? .. Seriously not worth it!

Not worth cheating or not worth reporting cheating and affecting the life of the person so much?

SellingJuan

Jaysus it would be so easy to cheat.. I mean wow.. But it wont get you anywhere in any exam really will it? Going to the bathroom once wont make up for all the hours you didnt study.... You might get an extra 5 to 10 marks max and thats it.. I wouldnt be able to do it, like I worked bloody hard fro some subjects and I would hate to know someone got the same result as me coz he/she cheated....

smithy77

No

subz3r0 wrote: »

Not worth cheating or not worth reporting cheating and affecting the life of the person so much?

Not worth cheating.. Imagine getting caught in the middle of the exam. How humiliating and the repercussions!

Dapics

subz3r0 wrote: »

I suppose that cheaters who cheated their way to a certain course rather than doing work will eventually get their comeuppance when they enter college and will not be able to cope with the work.

Dapics, I'm not sure stress/pressure counts as a legitimate reason for cheating. A lot of students are under severe pressure to perform.

That is a fair enough statement.

I understand your intepretation of what I stated and realize your interpretation is to some degree valid.

I should re-clarify:

I respect peoples opinions and am willing to argue cheating as a means to an end.
What I meant was that whilst we all can identify with stress, it takes a phenomenal amount of it to cause someone to resort to this kind of behaviour.

Ultimately lets try and understand the reasons for his cheating before we act impulsively.

A bit of decency can go along way in regenerating a young mans life and his spirit. Offer advice to him, attempt to understand him.

Then make one's decision knowing that whatever decision you make, it was well thought and reasoned.

Cheating is not right. I agree, but sometimes one must dig a little deeper in order to truly deliberate on this topic.

randylonghorn

No

subz3r0 wrote: »

What does the SEC say regarding reporting cheating anyway? Maybe they don't review cheating reports from candidates at all, so the thread is pointless?

The SEC will review any allegations of cheating, to the best of my knowledge.

At the same time, they will obviously want to assure themselves that cheating HAS taken place, so an unsubstantiated email from one anonymous person would not be enough to close the case.

I would imagine that the superintendednt would be contacted and asked to keep a close eye; that scripts would be examined carefully for consistency; etc. etc.

smithy77 wrote: »

If cheats are caught aren't they banned from state exams for 7 years? That includes driving test aswell doesn't it? .. Seriously not worth it!

They can be banned from state exams for some number of years, yes; the penalty will depend on the severity of the offence, that would tend to be the maximum rather than the default penalty.

Togepi

No

Diamondsandrose wrote: »

Cause it's funny and entertaining. A light hearted touch is brought to a thread on the subject of a trivial first world problem. Oh no some student cheated gaining five whole points on me affecting my future education. Millions of people around the world would do anything to be at the stage of education you're at now. I despise snobby posts, live a little ffs.

I didn't find it funny or entertaining, it was just a low comment which was uncalled for. It's not a trivial problem, people cheating causes other people to miss out on courses. I would've thought the original post with the childish insult was more snobby than mine.

andrew241983 wrote: »

lighten up!!!:cool::cool:

Are you saying I'm fat?

:P

fizzyorange

No

Dapics wrote: »

When did i imply that everyone should be allowed to cheat?

Please re-read my post.
I have tried to comment effectively and give a different point of view to that of many people within this forum yet i cannot comprehend the words I am reading.

Many of you are arguing that it is immoral to cheat, i totally agree!
Where I differ is that it is not up to you to decide whether someone screams for joy when they recieve their course, or whether they detiorate into a compendium of tears, shocked that their examinations have been rendered null due to cheating.

This is a situation where it is best left unresolved.

You are essentially saying that cheating is understandable if the person is under stress. But since everyone is feeling pressured and worried, does that mean it's okay for everyone to cheat? No, not really. Yes you did comment effectively, I understood the information that you presented to me, and this is me disagreeing with you.

Also you mention that it is selfish of the person reporting the cheater because they are just "eliminating one more threat to their course" but why shouldn't that threat be eliminated when it was unfair to the person who did the exam without cheating?

SusieBlue

smithy77 wrote: »

If cheats are caught aren't they banned from state exams for 7 years? That includes driving test aswell doesn't it? .. Seriously not worth it!

I've also heard something about cheaters not being allowed to apply for a passport for a certain amount of time but I'm open to the fact that that could be total bull..I can't remember who told me!

Anyway, I'd never have the guts to cheat in an exam as important as that. Plenty of people in my class did: They hid text books and essays in the toilets and would have a quick read over their work during frequent bathroom breaks. Used to annoy the hell out of me but I'd never have the balls to rat them out..

Our invigilator was an idiot, she would hand out the papers and then fall asleep till it was time to collect them.
On the rare occasion she stayed awake for the duration of the exams, she felt compelled to offer around her pack of chocolate chip cookies. It was distracting, but we weren't complaining!
That said I went to a tiny school, and there were only 18 people in my year so she wasn't expecting trouble.

smithy77

No

randylonghorn wrote: »

They can be banned from state exams for some number of years, yes; the penalty will depend on the severity of the offence, that would tend to be the maximum rather than the default penalty.

I heard that before just baffles me why people do it. I know its stressful but were all in the same boat.

0mega

Here we go again..

randylonghorn

No

0mega wrote: »

Here we go again..

It is about as regular / predictable as Christmas, all right!:pac:

Namlub

Dapics wrote: »

When did i imply that everyone should be allowed to cheat?

Please re-read my post.
I have tried to comment effectively and give a different point of view to that of many people within this forum yet i cannot comprehend the words I am reading.

Many of you are arguing that it is immoral to cheat, i totally agree!
Where I differ is that it is not up to you to decide whether someone screams for joy when they recieve their course, or whether they detiorate into a compendium of tears, shocked that their examinations have been rendered null due to cheating.

This is a situation where it is best left unresolved.

I don't get you, you've been around the place trying to demonise people for ''regurgitating essays'' yet you're legitimising cheating?

mathstalk

I wouldn't bother ratting somebody else out for cheating. Frankly, if someone needs to cheat, chances aren't the smartest anyway, so English and Maths should take care of them; subjects that can't exactly be "cheated on". Plus, if it's a comeuppance you're looking to bestow on these cheaters, fear not! If they ever do get into a course above their intellectual standard, they should soon realise the errors of their ways.

Bonus story:

3 years ago while I was sitting the junior, some guy told me he'd heard that the escort has to watch you pee when you go to the toilet. Guess where he wrote the notes? :rolleyes: