Mens Rights Thread

Rte these days appear to have a definite female bias. Tune in to any of their stations and its women presenters interviewing women, talking to female experts and correspondents. Men are still there but seem to be less and less as time goes by.

CageWager

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Rte these days appear to have a definite female bias. Tune in to any of their stations and its women presenters interviewing women, talking to female experts and correspondents. Men are still there but seem to be less and less as time goes by.

I have no major issue with there being more female presenters/pundits etc. This area has traditionally been dominated by men so a bit of balancing out was inevitable.

Want I do have an issue with is gender ideologues being given a platform to spout hard line nonsense such as so called “toxic masculinity” or the mythical “gender pay gap” and this stuff is just taken as gospel by all involved. Any young/impressionable people could be forgiven for thinking the pay gap etc. is an immutable fact of nature, when in fact it is a disingenuous and highly divisive political weapon with a specific aim to cause a rift between the genders for financial and power gains by feminist activists.

I believe in free speech so they should be allowed to air these views but RTE should be obliged to have someone capable of presenting the other side of the argument - anyone half way coherent can tear the gender pay gap to shreds in about 2 minutes. Unfortunately anyone who opposes the new religion of identity politics must be branded a “right wing nazi” or the more palatable slur of “middle aged white man” and be silenced.

CageWager

CageWager wrote: »

I have no major issue with there being more female presenters/pundits etc. This area has traditionally been dominated by men so a bit of balancing out was inevitable.

When was it dominated by men? I'm in my 40s and throughout my life, there have always been plenty of female presenters on RTE. Perhaps the only area lacking was radio, but that changed fast.

Want I do have an issue with is gender ideologues being given a platform to spout hard line nonsense such as so called “toxic masculinity” or the mythical “gender pay gap” and this stuff is just taken as gospel by all involved. Any young/impressionable people could be forgiven for thinking the pay gap etc. is an immutable fact of nature, when in fact it is a disingenuous and highly divisive political weapon with a specific aim to cause a rift between the genders for financial and power gains by feminist activists.

I believe in free speech so they should be allowed to air these views but RTE should be obliged to have someone capable of presenting the other side of the argument - anyone half way coherent can tear the gender pay gap to shreds in about 2 minutes. Unfortunately anyone who opposes the new religion of identity politics must be branded a “right wing nazi” or the more palatable slur of “middle aged white man” and be silenced.

Agreed. I really wish RTE would be taken to account for the feminist agenda it keeps pushing. You never hear anything about female led domestic violence, and any suggestion of female abuse of children is muted... even though the statistics are increasingly showing it's existence. Instead, everything is skewed to portray women as victims in every instance, with men being the aggressors.

Deleted User

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Rte these days appear to have a definite female bias. Tune in to any of their stations and its women presenters interviewing women, talking to female experts and correspondents. Men are still there but seem to be less and less as time goes by.

The male presenters are very.... quiet though. I like Tubridy but he might as well be a woman himself, considering the points he pushes. I never hear any male presenters ask the obvious hard questions of female guests, instead, everything is extremely supportive, and designed to promote her viewpoints. #Ibelieveher in every instance, is the RTE motto.

I often wonder if they ever bother to fact check the "statistics" or "evidence" their guests contribute to their shows.

iptba

CageWager wrote: »

I have no major issue with there being more female presenters/pundits etc. This area has traditionally been dominated by men so a bit of balancing out was inevitable.

Want I do have an issue with is gender ideologues being given a platform to spout hard line nonsense such as so called “toxic masculinity” or the mythical “gender pay gap” and this stuff is just taken as gospel by all involved. Any young/impressionable people could be forgiven for thinking the pay gap etc. is an immutable fact of nature, when in fact it is a disingenuous and highly divisive political weapon with a specific aim to cause a rift between the genders for financial and power gains by feminist activists.

I believe in free speech so they should be allowed to air these views but RTE should be obliged to have someone capable of presenting the other side of the argument - anyone half way coherent can tear the gender pay gap to shreds in about 2 minutes. Unfortunately anyone who opposes the new religion of identity politics must be branded a “right wing nazi” or the more palatable slur of “middle aged white man” and be silenced.

Also interviewers can ask challenging questions. There are different types of interviews and interviewees. If somebody is describing a personal tragedy, one will generally ask them easy questions and let them talk while with a politician, say, the questions will be more demanding. I don’t consume a lot of RTE’s broadcast output these days (I prefer NewsTalk) but I have noticed for a long time they usually give feminists soft, easy interviews.

CageWager

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When was it dominated by men? I'm in my 40s and throughout my life, there have always been plenty of female presenters on RTE. Perhaps the only area lacking was radio, but that changed fast.

Fair point - I disproportionately watch football and rugby coverage which has been almost entirely male to date so I’m biased in that sense. I could’t hack most of the other RTE programming.

the_pen_turner

i could be wrong with this but a vagly remember there was a case in the last few years . some tragity where kids got hurt or killed etc. it was all over the news until they found out the mother did it and then the story changed and disapeared.
was this true .
i could be wrong

iptba

iptba wrote: »

Also interviewers can ask challenging questions. There are different types of interviews and interviewees. If somebody is describing a personal tragedy, one will generally ask them easy questions and let them talk while with a politician, say, the questions will be more demanding. I don’t consume a lot of RTE’s broadcast output these days (I prefer NewsTalk) but I have noticed for a long time they usually give feminists soft, easy interviews.

Indeed when politicians start talking about feminist issues, they often start getting interviewed less vigorously.

CageWager

CageWager wrote: »

Fair point - I disproportionately watch football and rugby coverage which has been almost entirely male to date so I’m biased in that sense. I could’t hack most of the other RTE programming.

TV watching was never a big thing in my family. We're more a bunch of bookworms, however, my parents religiously check the news whenever it's on. News and weather... and then after the news, whatever "special" show RTE have about the state of Ireland. I wouldn't be big into watching it myself, but, whenever I'm in Ireland, it's the best time to 'bond' with my parents. Feel them out regarding their viewpoints.. that kind of thing.

I was thinking back and I can only think of a few weather men. Nearly every weather person was female. And the news nearly always had a male and a female presenter as long as I can remember.

"On Monday 3 October 1988, RTÉ launched its first hour-long news programme Six One News, a new format incorporating national, international and regional news as well as live interviews and sports coverage. The programme's first anchors were former political correspondent Seán Duignan and long-standing newsreader Eileen Dunne (replaced two years later by Anne Doyle)."

iptba

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TV watching was never a big thing in my family. We're more a bunch of bookworms, however, my parents religiously check the news whenever it's on. News and weather... and then after the news, whatever "special" show RTE have about the state of Ireland. I wouldn't be big into watching it myself, but, whenever I'm in Ireland, it's the best time to 'bond' with my parents. Feel them out regarding their viewpoints.. that kind of thing.

I was thinking back and I can only think of a few weather men. Nearly every weather person was female. And the news nearly always had a male and a female presenter as long as I can remember.

"On Monday 3 October 1988, RTÉ launched its first hour-long news programme Six One News, a new format incorporating national, international and regional news as well as live interviews and sports coverage. The programme's first anchors were former political correspondent Seán Duignan and long-standing newsreader Eileen Dunne (replaced two years later by Anne Doyle)."

I remember hearing or reading in the late 80s that the Met Office had an explicit 50/50 gender recruitment policy for weather forecasters. At that stage a majority of graduates in suitable courses (mathematics and other courses that had a significant maths component) were male.

CageWager

the_pen_turner wrote: »

i could be wrong with this but a vagly remember there was a case in the last few years . some tragity where kids got hurt or killed etc. it was all over the news until they found out the mother did it and then the story changed and disapeared.
was this true .
i could be wrong

This is standard across almost all media - if a man kills his family he is an evil monster and all sorts of stories emerge about is past to say that he was aggressive, controlling, domineering (read: toxic masculinity).

When a women kills her kids it is an immediate rush to pity for her “mental health issues”.

Does anybody have statistics on how men fare in the Family Court? Specifically, when both parents are working full-time outside the home do women still have a better chance of keeping the family home and child custody? If so, how is this gender-based discrimination legally justified in 2020?

Also, does anybody know how much I should expect to pay for an initial consultation with a good family law solicitor to explore my options? (I don't have much money, although I am in full-time employment)

Thank you.

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Does anybody have statistics on how men fare in the Family Court? Specifically, when both parents are working full-time outside the home do women still have a better chance of keeping the family home and child custody?

I don't, sorry. I haven't been keeping up on it for a while now.

If so, how is this gender-based discrimination legally justified in 2020?

It doesn't need to be justified. That's the point. Feminism is at the top, and Male rights organisations are generally too extreme, or ineffectual to do much to change it. The problem is that there are too many groups which express extreme ideas, and as such, the remainder get written off as bitter, violent, abusive "men".

You won't get anywhere tackling this from a discrimination angle.. since women are the victims.. always.

Also, does anybody know how much I should expect to pay for an initial consultation with a good family law solicitor to explore my options? (I don't have much money, although I am in full-time employment)

Thank you.

Nope. TBH, you should consider putting up a post on CA. Do a little research online, write up a piece (avoid emotion, be rational/logical), and ask for info. There's a lot of posters who are very clued into the courts situation, and the current laws.

Be warned though... It's still part of AA (so trolls), and worse still, there's a lot of very female centric posters out there. Still, you're going to need a thick skin if you're engaging in anything legal regarding custody... It's a nasty hill you're going to climbing.

Best wishes

Silentcorner

This is an issue right across the media industry and it will be it's downfall.

Just this week, in the BBC, Zoe Ball got a $900,000 pay increase to $1.4million a year, she now hosts a breakfast radio show that she took over from Chris Evans....she has lost 900,000 listeners in one year, she'd be sacked in any other media company.

She got a job because she is a woman not because she deserves it.
She is getting money she hasn't earned.
This is unsustainable.

Pandering to women is doing women a disservice, just like pandering to a child will ultimately do a disservice, the calibre of female politicians, performers, creators is actually rapidly declining if you watch across TV, Movies, Culture.

There won't be an industry that has embraced this culture that is not in real trouble over the next few years it's already destroying Political Parties.

If you don't believe me watch what is happening in the BBC.

iptba

I wonder could we see similar rulings here with the Civil Partnership and Certain Rights and Obligations of Cohabitants Act 2010?

Man Ordered To Pay Spousal Support Even Though He Wasn’t Married, Had No House Or Children
https://www.dailywire.com/news/man-ordered-to-pay-spousal-support-even-though-he-wasnt-married-had-no-house-or-children/

iptba

iptba wrote: »

I wonder could we see similar rulings here with the Civil Partnership and Certain Rights and Obligations of Cohabitants Act 2010?

I hope not. Both rulings are insane.

Never married. Never lived together. No children together... but he has to pay? It's beyond messed up.

Sn@kebite

Silentcorner wrote: »

This is an issue right across the media industry and it will be it's downfall.

Just this week, in the BBC, Zoe Ball got a $900,000 pay increase to $1.4million a year, she now hosts a breakfast radio show that she took over from Chris Evans....she has lost 900,000 listeners in one year, she'd be sacked in any other media company.

As women/feminists rise up the ranks of a corrupt patriarchy they will not want feminism anymore.

It's why white feminists don't complain about black girls lagging behind white girls in school or why female actors in hollywood complain about they only get 10million a movie and not 10.5million while never mentioning why the caterers get pennies for cooking for these celebs.

Same with rich people who don't want socialism. We know these leftist movement like feminism are for the top 1% of rich, well-connected white women angry they're not equal to the top 1% of rich, well-connected white men.

It's a fraud basically. Feminism was never about people at the bottom it's a female version of what the men have always been doing at the top.

CageWager

More drivel from the Independent

“ Female graduates in Ireland expect to earn up to 14pc less than males each year - study”

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/female-graduates-in-ireland-expect-to-earn-up-to-14pc-less-than-males-each-year-study-39552142.html

The way they frame it is so disingenuous - they basically went to universities and asked a load of guys and a load of girls what they “expect” to make after they graduate. Unsurprisingly the guys were more confident in their predictions and they guessed higher than the girls. This is conflated with a “gender pay gap”.

Would it not be very easy for the indo to contact major graduate employers and ask them what they pay graduates and if there is any gap (hint: there isn’t because that has been illegal for 40 odd years). But lets not let these pesky facts get in the way of the juggernaut that is modern feminist ideological possession.

iptba

Many people will be aware of the Irish Women in Harmony music initiative raising money for Safe Ireland i.e. domestic violence services for women and children:
https://youtu.be/Jv4MYqzg-P4

The hashtag on the video is #WomenSupportingWomen

I have seen similar hashtags about supporting female-owned businesses.

My impression is this is seen as more commendable and acceptable than something like #MenSupportingMen.

It will be interesting to see how things develop: it’s a big double-standard to think women-supporting-women is commendable but men-supporting-men isn’t. It also has practical consequences with much less money for male than female services for domestic violence, to take an example and related awareness-raising.

titan18

Look at this ****e

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40053752.html?type=amp&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

I'm sure nearly every man in the situation wants to be in there with his partner, so to describe it as a male chauvinistic privilege that they're not is fcuking low

iptba

titan18 wrote: »

Look at this ****e

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40053752.html?type=amp&utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter&__twitter_impression=true

I'm sure nearly every man in the situation wants to be in there with his partner, so to describe it as a male chauvinistic privilege that they're not is fcuking low

Agreed. At least in this case it's a politician, rather than a unelected individual, so in an ideal world, voters might keep this in mind. But presumably there is an element of the electorate who like to hear these sorts of claims.

Covid-19 restrictions in maternity hospitals are "nonsensical" and another example of "male chauvinistic privilege", the Dáil has heard.

Calling for an easing of restrictions, Independent TD Thomas Pringle said women are being given the devastating news that their pregnancies are not viable and are going through miscarriages without a loved one present.

Sn@kebite

I wonder are his electorate middle class females or something? I don't for the life of me understand how discrimination against (primarily) fathers is "chauvinistic male privilege". Male feminists are often more ridiculous and idiotic suck ups than female ones.

I'm confused.

""It is nonsensical that partners or husbands of pregnant women are not allowed into the delivery ward with their partner, and even doubly so that they are not allowed to attend the 20-week scan and have to sit outside in the car park in many cases.""

How is that "'male chauvinistic privilege'"? Since husbands (who are male) are excluded... I don't understand the logic (if there is any there at all)

Is this guy a retard? How was he not pulled up on the stupidity of the statement?

iptba

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I'm confused.

""It is nonsensical that partners or husbands of pregnant women are not allowed into the delivery ward with their partner, and even doubly so that they are not allowed to attend the 20-week scan and have to sit outside in the car park in many cases.""

How is that "'male chauvinistic privilege'"? Since husbands (who are male) are excluded... I don't understand the logic (if there is any there at all)

Is this guy a retard? How was he not pulled up on the stupidity of the statement?

One theory might be that many people, including many if not most politicians, don't want to be seen to stand up for men, challenge feminist claims, etc.

iptba

iptba wrote: »

One theory might be that many people, including many if not most politicians, don't want to be seen to stand up for men, challenge feminist claims, etc.

No, I get that. I'm well used to that.

This is something else. This is outrage with a very obvious level of stupidity.

I despair about Irish politicians if this is what constitutes intelligence (both those who supported the statement, and those who failed to argue against it)

haha.. good lord. I just can't get my head past it. Really wish there was an effective way of pointing this out to the media, or those who could do something about it. Alas...

CageWager

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I'm confused.

""It is nonsensical that partners or husbands of pregnant women are not allowed into the delivery ward with their partner, and even doubly so that they are not allowed to attend the 20-week scan and have to sit outside in the car park in many cases.""

How is that "'male chauvinistic privilege'"? Since husbands (who are male) are excluded... I don't understand the logic (if there is any there at all)

Is this guy a retard? How was he not pulled up on the stupidity of the statement?

The idiot politicians guide to getting a cheap headline (2020 Edition)

Step 1: Pick any 3 of the following words/phrases:

*Chauvinist, Privilege, Misogyny, Mansplain, White Male Fragility, Patriarchy, Male Gaze, Manterrupting, Manspreading, Toxic Masculity, Gender Pay Gap, Male Tears, Problematic, Rape Culture, Retrograde.

Step 2: Shoehorn them into any current story in the news cycle, regardless of context or any shred of relevance to the story.

Step 3: Watch the “likes” roll in from utter retards on social media who are stimulated to the point of orgasmic applause at the sight of any of the above listed words, regardless of context or any shred of relevance to the story.

titan18

iptba wrote: »

One theory might be that many people, including many if not most politicians, don't want to be seen to stand up for men, challenge feminist claims, etc.

Don't even have to challenge feminist claims here. All Martin had to do is ask "Can I clarify are you saying here that the men in your own constituency and across Ireland are privileged by not being there for the birth of their children?"

If he says yes, he's buried himself, and if he says no, Martin can go will you withdraw your statement that this is male chauvinistic privilege then.

iptba

TV and film have long depicted man troubles as funny sports-car-buying capers... until now. Ed Power looks at how modern shows are ditching the macho stereotypes for a more sensitive and realistic view

https://www.independent.ie/entertainment/television/no-more-sports-cars-how-tv-and-film-are-taking-a-more-realistic-view-of-the-male-midlife-crisis-39560870.html

"People will often find themselves in mismatched relationships, unfulfilling careers, financial distress or struggling generally. The grumpy middle-aged man phenomenon is fair game for TV 'haymaking'. It's not a demographic that sees many run to its defence. Nor one that defends itself much either. Unfortunately, the 'lost' middle-aged man is often portrayed in an unflattering and unsympathetic light.

"The grumpy older man stereotype is portrayed so well by Martin Freeman as he exclaims angrily in Breeders: 'Nobody understands me.' In the therapy room, when anger is around, we'll describe it as a secondary emotion," says Evans.

"We'll look for the primary emotion that lies beneath. Imagine an iceberg and anger is that part above water. What lies beneath the waterline - beneath the anger are the real reasons for what's happening. It might be sadness, despair, loneliness, stress, grief, worry, regret, trauma, rejection, guilt, shame, hurt and many more possibilities. Anger has to be understood in the context of what lies beneath.

"So yes, the person whose anger is not understood in that context will feel misunderstood…[but] it is important that anger is always expressed in a way that is safe and appropriate for oneself and those around us."

There are lots of over-the-top set-pieces in Us - starting with an early sequence in which a shoeless Douglas sprints down the road after Connie. Yet it strikes at a deep-seated truth in having the dissatisfied Connie end the marriage rather than, for instance, resorting to the cliche of Douglas running off with his secretary.

"Bringing focus to the plight of the middle-aged man is a healthy and constructive thing on the whole. And it's not just helpful to middle-aged men being understood. The TV show is such a good medium to engage our consciousness and help to expand awareness. Any process that brings awareness will help the community at large.

yerwanthere123

More misandry from the Irish Times published this week.

Why are men still explaining things to women?

Really bothers me that this sh*t is allowed to be published unchallenged.

py2006

I came across this the other day, apparently women in the US have unconditional rights to vote (once 18yrs) whereas men have to make themselves available for war by mandatory enrolling in Selective Services. And there are severe consequences for men that do not:

https://twitter.com/Suffragentleman/status/1295833018783891457?s=20