Mens Rights Thread

iptba

Off the coast of Finland, immured in the Baltic Sea, there is a private island where men are banned and only a select few women, with suitably large bank accounts, are allowed to set foot. It is called SuperShe Island and it is the international headquarters of the SuperShe society.

I say “yet another example”, because there has been a boom in bouji spaces exclusive to women. There is the Wing, for example, a fashionable women-only co-working space and social club with locations across the US and a space in London on the way. Membership costs from€2,041 (GBP1,800) a year and there is a waiting list. Then there is the AllBright, an exclusive women-only members’ club in London that opened earlier this year and costs at least €1,105 (GBP975) to join. There is Women Fest, too, the UK’s first all-female festival, which is scheduled to take place in August. (It costs €255 (GBP225) to attend, but some of the profits will go to a tree charity, so I guess that is OK.)

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/travel/would-you-pay-4-000-to-stay-on-a-women-only-island-1.3553565

Written by a lesbian feminist, so no real discussion of double standards.

Pat Mustard

iptba wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/travel/would-you-pay-4-000-to-stay-on-a-women-only-island-1.3553565

Written by a lesbian feminist, so no real discussion of double standards.

I read about this place before.

All I could think was what's next, men only golf clubs? :pac:

PlaneSpeeking

Pat Mustard wrote: »

I read about this place before.

All I could think was what's next, men only golf clubs? :pac:

The difference being is that male only establishments are being forced to change - whilst women only establishments are being encouraged.

I'd say spot the double standard but it's so obvious at this point to be hackneyed.

Pawwed Rig

iptba wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/travel/would-you-pay-4-000-to-stay-on-a-women-only-island-1.3553565

Written by a lesbian feminist, so no real discussion of double standards.

I am not against women-only spaces. We still live in a white man’s world. It is important for minorities and women to have places that belong to them, where they feel safe and valued and can be themselves. But I find the trend for high-priced, women-only networking spaces nauseating, particularly as these often use feminism as a marketing device, talking about sisterhood while seeming only to care about bettering a few already wealthy women.

ie So women only is fine but not wealthy women.
Not much good networking with someone with no contacts

professore

iptba wrote: »

https://twitter.com/lynbw/status/1014449944118398976
https://twitter.com/louisemjoreilly/status/1014445666230243328
https://twitter.com/Ciairin/status/1014446876555403264

It is blasted 24/7 how great women are at everything. This is the mainstream. Surely if young girls today believe women can't do anything other than be a housewife they must have severe mental health issues?

Calhoun

professore wrote: »

It is blasted 24/7 how great women are at everything. This is the mainstream. Surely if young girls today believe women can't do anything other than be a housewife they must have severe mental health issues?

Hilarious isn't it, we want to be equal but we are also victims :P.

DEFTLEFTHAND

iptba wrote: »

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/travel/would-you-pay-4-000-to-stay-on-a-women-only-island-1.3553565

Written by a lesbian feminist, so no real discussion of double standards.

I really don't have a problem with this as long as men are allowed to have their own private members clubs also.

It's only natural that both sexes like having their own spaces.

Eric Cartman

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I really don't have a problem with this as long as men are allowed to have their own private members clubs also.

It's only natural that both sexes like having their own spaces.

but we can't , removing men only spaces is their no.1 agenda.

PlaneSpeeking

Eric Cartman wrote: »

but we can't , removing men only spaces is their no.1 agenda.

+1

iptba

Here's the latest batch of gender-related hashtags I have noticed trending for anyone interested (I know some are not)
(Aside: I'm not on Twitter 24/7 of course and don't look back at lists for when I wasn't on)

#WorkEqual is trending
https://twitter.com/fiannafailparty/status/1014542284442959872
https://twitter.com/DFSDublin/status/1014537587476848641
@DFSDublin briefing
DFSDublin [Dress for Success Dublin]

"We promote the economic independence of women by providing workwear, a network of support and career development tools"

#GenderEqualityInIrishTheatre
https://twitter.com/DeptAHG/status/1016271061296574464

#safeireland
@SAFEIreland ‏
Working to see an Irish society that acts decisively to end domestic violence challenges the perpetration of all violence against women

https://twitter.com/SAFEIreland/status/1017348647061721088
https://twitter.com/SAFEIreland/status/1017350777470443520

iptba

(I split this over two posts as there is a limit of five tweets per post I think)

Here's the latest batch of gender-related hashtags I have noticed trending for anyone interested (I know some are not)
(Aside: I'm not on Twitter 24/7 of course and don't look back at lists for when I wasn't on)

https://twitter.com/SAFEIreland/status/1017357255505858560
https://twitter.com/SAFEIreland/status/1017372251090575360

#joelcommdublin
A #womensinspire event

#womensinspire

#Day4Danielle
Danielle Carroll Summer School 2018 @DanSummerSch18
#MyNameis presents the Inaugural Danielle Carroll Summer School July 21st, 2018. We ask -'What’s killing Women?' Tickets fully booked. #Day4Danielle

https://twitter.com/EndTheStigma_ie/status/1020765299459715072
https://twitter.com/RonanMooreSocD/status/1020742173753475073
https://twitter.com/Cliona_l/status/1020689848389259264

Calhoun

iptba wrote: »

(I split this over two posts as there is a limit of five tweets per post I think)

Here's the latest batch of gender-related hashtags I have noticed trending for anyone interested (I know some are not)
(Aside: I'm not on Twitter 24/7 of course and don't look back at lists for when I wasn't on)

https://twitter.com/SAFEIreland/status/1017357255505858560
https://twitter.com/SAFEIreland/status/1017372251090575360

#joelcommdublin
A #womensinspire event

#womensinspire

#Day4Danielle
Danielle Carroll Summer School 2018 @DanSummerSch18
#MyNameis presents the Inaugural Danielle Carroll Summer School July 21st, 2018. We ask -'What’s killing Women?' Tickets fully booked. #Day4Danielle

https://twitter.com/EndTheStigma_ie/status/1020765299459715072
https://twitter.com/RonanMooreSocD/status/1020742173753475073
https://twitter.com/Cliona_l/status/1020689848389259264

All female panels eh, outrageous . Also what's the deal with Danielle Carroll?

iptba

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y9LlCwDK2NA

Talks about the value of fathers in children's lives.

Though I'm not sure what specifically can be done i.e. State support for single parents is useful. But giving fathers more rights when couples separate or ensuring they have sufficient access could be useful.

tritium

Not sure what the best thread to post this in is

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/lesser-category-of-rape-offence-under-review-37159598.html

The lrc is opening a consultation on changes to the law on rape. Many things mooted, some very reasonable and sensible and others less so. It would be in the interests of most people to contribute once the consultation goes live in my view

seamus

The Law Reform Commission is examining whether a separate offence, tentatively described as "gross negligence rape", should be introduced to cover a situation where an accused honestly, but unreasonably and mistakenly, believes the complainant was consenting to sex.

Don't call it "rape" for a start.

On principle I think a lesser form of assault is reasonable; where there's somewhat reckless attitude taken towards consent, but not a malicious one.

But "rape" carries with it very specific connotations of violence and anger. A rape accusation is a prison sentence for a man, before any charges have even been brought.

For this kind of charge you have someone who's probably a bit of a moron, but they're not violent or dangerous. Calling them a "rapist" is basically tattooing it on their forehead for the rest of their life that they're a dangerous animal.

I think it would also be important that registration as a sex offender for this kind of charge is at the discretion of the judge, or on the request of the prosecution. The purpose of the register is to ensure that people who pose a risk to the public have their movements known to the Gardai.

Someone who has a drunken fumble without realising just how drunk the other party was, on the face of it doesn't pose an ongoing public risk and doesn't deserve to go on a register of dangerous perverts.

But most importantly, it needs to not be called "rape".

tritium

seamus wrote: »

Don't call it "rape" for a start.

On principle I think a lesser form of assault is reasonable; where there's somewhat reckless attitude taken towards consent, but not a malicious one.

But "rape" carries with it very specific connotations of violence and anger. A rape accusation is a prison sentence for a man, before any charges have even been brought.

For this kind of charge you have someone who's probably a bit of a moron, but they're not violent or dangerous. Calling them a "rapist" is basically tattooing it on their forehead for the rest of their life that they're a dangerous animal.

I think it would also be important that registration as a sex offender for this kind of charge is at the discretion of the judge, or on the request of the prosecution. The purpose of the register is to ensure that people who pose a risk to the public have their movements known to the Gardai.

Someone who has a drunken fumble without realising just how drunk the other party was, on the face of it doesn't pose an ongoing public risk and doesn't deserve to go on a register of dangerous perverts.

But most importantly, it needs to not be called "rape".

Tbh someone who has a drunken fumble with another equally drunk person doesn’t deserve to be charged with anything once it’s clear both parties were ok with it at the time imho

tritium

tritium wrote: »

Tbh someone who has a drunken fumble with another equally drunk person doesn’t deserve to be charged with anything once it’s clear both parties were ok with it at the time imho

Agreed. This is my whole problem with this idea of being able to withdraw consent after the fact. I just can't get my head around the logic of it. Two people consent to have sex, they do it without reservations, but the woman can then withdraw consent the next day. Just seems utterly bizarre to me.

And then there's the Drunk aspect. Don't get me wrong, I'm not the kind of person to sleep with someone who is obviously drunk, having naturally done it before in University. It's ****ty sex anyway.... but where do they draw the line? Could taking medication (without any obvious signs) be considered the same as being drunk? Their judgment may be considered impaired depending on the perspective...

My problem with all of these things is how vague it is. It's so open to being abused for all manner of reasons... with the male being the "aggressor" at every turn.

seamus

Deleted User wrote: »

Agreed. This is my whole problem with this idea of being able to withdraw consent after the fact. I just can't get my head around the logic of it. Two people consent to have sex, they do it without reservations, but the woman can then withdraw consent the next day. Just seems utterly bizarre to me.

That's not suggested here though.

Because you can't retroactively withdraw consent. Consent is a temporal matter; it either exists at the time or it doesn't. It can't exist, but then be removed in hindsight.

And then there's the Drunk aspect. Don't get me wrong, I'm not the kind of person to sleep with someone who is obviously drunk, having naturally done it before in University. It's ****ty sex anyway.... but where do they draw the line? Could taking medication (without any obvious signs) be considered the same as being drunk? Their judgment may be considered impaired depending on the perspective.

Anything which may inhibit ones judgement has the potential to mean that consent doesn't exist.

Note though that the proposed new law doesn't seek to remove the defence of an honest and reasonable belief. So someone may be on medication with no outward signs of impairment, but where technically consent is not possible. That doesn't automatically mean the other person has committed a crime; and under the current law and this proposed law they would still have the honest defence.

This specific law would be looking at the "drunken fumble" instances where a reasonable person might consider the other person impaired, but the defendant at the time honestly believed that consent existed.
And where both parties are drunk, technically both could be guilty of the same crime against one another.*

Another reason why it's important to remove "rape" from the wording.

*I'm very much on the side of "let a drunken encounter just be a bad memory for the two people involved", but it leaves the door open for "I was drunk too!" to become an easy defence for an actual rape

iptba

tritium wrote: »

Not sure what the best thread to post this in is

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/lesser-category-of-rape-offence-under-review-37159598.html

The lrc is opening a consultation on changes to the law on rape. Many things mooted, some very reasonable and sensible and others less so. It would be in the interests of most people to contribute once the consultation goes live in my view

Both this article and the Irish Times article

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/new-crime-of-gross-negligence-rape-is-put-forward-1.3577602
only referred to male-on-female assault. But rape can also occur in other situations e.g. between two men.

seamus

iptba wrote: »

Both of this article and the Irish Times article

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/new-crime-of-gross-negligence-rape-is-put-forward-1.3577602
only referred to male-on-female assault. But rape can also occur in other situations e.g. between two men.

Yep. Although this consultation isn't only talking about man-on-woman rape, the articles pretty universally focus on that.

Man-on-man rape would also be included in the proposal.

But not woman-on-man assault, because that's legally not rape, so it's out of scope.

Which in itself is annoying.

tritium

seamus wrote: »

Yep. Although this consultation isn't only talking about man-on-woman rape, the articles pretty universally focus on that.

Man-on-man rape would also be included in the proposal.

But not woman-on-man assault, because that's legally not rape, so it's out of scope.

Which in itself is annoying.

I believe the definition itself is in scope, so maybe that’s a key part of feedback people should be providing? It does seem lucicrious that you can have a situations where A had sex with B without consent and whether it was rape or not depends entirely on the gender of A

One eyed Jack

tritium wrote: »

Not sure what the best thread to post this in is

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/lesser-category-of-rape-offence-under-review-37159598.html

The lrc is opening a consultation on changes to the law on rape. Many things mooted, some very reasonable and sensible and others less so. It would be in the interests of most people to contribute once the consultation goes live in my view

The full consultation paper is here for anyone who... has nothing better to do all weekend

KNOWLEDGE OR BELIEF CONCERNING CONSENT IN RAPE LAW


That write-up in the Independent is terrible though, there's a decent write-up on the journal for anyone who doesn't fancy reading a 65 page report -

Here are the legal options being considered about sexual consent

tritium wrote: »

I believe the definition itself is in scope, so maybe that’s a key part of feedback people should be providing? It does seem lucicrious that you can have a situations where A had sex with B without consent and whether it was rape or not depends entirely on the gender of A

Both rape under section 4, and aggravated sexual assault, carry the same maximum sentence - life imprisonment.

To be perfectly honest I think the whole farce is just window dressing - to be seen to be doing something. I don't think a whole lot is likely to change in practical terms when a case goes in front of a jury. They're still far more likely to be influenced by their own biases and prejudices to appreciate the nuance of the Judges instructions.

iptba

FWIW

Young boys more 'cliquey' than girls, new research finds
https://www.independent.ie/life/family/young-boys-more-cliquey-than-girls-new-research-finds-37160217.html

silverharp

another Title IX excess from the US, goes to show a touchy feely listen and believe legal system would be a disaster

https://www.thecollegefix.com/post/47278/

A “fist bump” and a selfie may have ended Marcus Knight’s educational career right as it started.

The student, who has autism, cerebral palsy and a shunt to relieve fluid pressure on his brain, was not allowed to defend himself against allegations in two Title IX investigations this past fall, his mother told The College Fix.

Aurora Knight has raised more than half of the money to cover legal fees through a GoFundMe campaign as she challenges the sexual-misconduct findings on her son’s record.

Though Saddleback College lifted Marcus’s suspension a day before a hearing last month, it has thus far refused to remove the findings from his record, Aurora wrote in an update to the campaign Wednesday.

Her son (below) has limited expressive language capabilities and cannot negotiate social situations as easily as others, she told The College Fix.

Aurora Knight laid out her narrative of the allegations in a phone interview with The Fix.

The first incident occurred in the first week of September when Marcus was in the Student Services office and asked a female student working there if he could “fist bump” her. She agreed but soon filed a Title IX complaint.

The next week Aurora and Marcus were asked to meet with the school’s Disabled Students Programs and Services coordinator, who allegedly called the fist bump “inappropriate behavior.” Aurora told The Fix that Marcus did not “bump” anything other than the female’s knuckles. (The Fix has reached the coordinator but that person has not been available for a phone interview as of Thursday night.)

His mother told the coordinator that Marcus had been at the office seeking campus employment. The official allegedly said that would be “totally pointless” because Marcus was “obviously incapable” and should be taking adult disability classes instead of college classes.

Though the coordinator said the incident would not go on her son’s record if the behavior stopped, according to Aurora, the mother became aggravated by the description of a consensual fist bump as “inappropriate.”

backspin.

A fist bump. Jesus things have got bad in America. Things have got to turn around from here. That is ludicrous. Imagine being male in the US college system right now.

citytillidie

backspin. wrote: »

A fist bump. Jesus things have got bad in America. Things have got to turn around from here. That is ludicrous. Imagine being male in the US college system right now.

US Colleges just want males to go out and kill themselves on the grid iron field to keep the college funded

iptba

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iptba

The Sports Minister says he aims to double the funding for the Women in Sport programme next year to €2m.

That's just one of a number of measures announced in the €220m 10-year National Sports Policy this morning.

https://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/government-to-double-funding-in-220m-national-sports-policy-857612.html

Not huge money but another initiative that focuses on one gender, that gender being women.

the_pen_turner

iptba wrote: »

https://www.breakingnews.ie/sport/government-to-double-funding-in-220m-national-sports-policy-857612.html

Not huge money but another initiative that focuses on one gender, that gender being women.

as much as i haate all this fmanist noscience i have to say that there is a genuine diference between mens sport and womans sport. womans sport is really under promoted and funded

givyjoe

the_pen_turner wrote: »

as much as i haate all this fmanist noscience i have to say that there is a genuine diference between mens sport and womans sport. womans sport is really under promoted and funded

Isn't that also because less women partake and even less women actually bother to support /women's sports? When you say under funded, do you mean it's not spent 50/50?

the_pen_turner

givyjoe wrote: »

Isn't that also because less women partake and even less women actually bother to support /women's sports? When you say under funded, do you mean it's not spent 50/50?

i wouldnt expect 50/50.
but womans sport is very under funded.
wasnt there a story a while back where a girls team had to get changed in the toilets because they had no changing rooms

its a shame more woman dont get behind their fellow women. it would help a lot

iptba

My observation is that on average (heterosexual) males are more interested in watching and playing sports than females and females are more interested in watching and partaking in dancing than heterosexual males. Probably to get as many people as possible active dancing should be part of the mix. I hear some P.E. teachers do sometimes do classes in it.

silverharp

was flicking through the stations yesterday and rte were showing some women's gaa match from a large stadium where i could count the supporters, seems like a charade , it must cost to show these games, triple time bank holiday? if nobody can be arsed going to watch these then even less are gong to bother watching it on tv. there is no real chicken or egg problem here, if its popular tv will follow

iptba

https://twitter.com/toni_airaksinen/status/1026543974134079492?s=11
https://pjmedia.com/trending/professor-slams-hegemonic-masculinity-of-homeless-men/
I remain to be convinced such a researcher is the best person to help men with specific issues like this.

silverharp

iptba wrote: »

https://twitter.com/toni_airaksinen/status/1026543974134079492?s=11
https://pjmedia.com/trending/professor-slams-hegemonic-masculinity-of-homeless-men/
I remain to be convinced such a researcher is the best person to help men with specific issues like this.

would that be the hegemonic masculinity where men have to always be working or they lose their family , kids and house if they hit some bad luck?

iptba

I just came across this by chance. She talks about a March for Men that is taking place in Australia this month.

Also highlights how some discussions about men's issues can be made difficult by people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6CibfT-qjs

iptba

https://www.independent.ie/life/family/mothers-babies/if-i-can-pay-for-it-then-thats-ok-i-can-get-a-girl-model-danielle-lloyd-receives-backlash-after-admitting-shell-choose-the-gender-of-her-next-child-37229979.html

ITV Loose Women star Danielle Lloyd says she has decided to choose the gender of her next child and use medical science to ensure it is a baby girl.

The 34-year-old is mum to four boys, Archie, Harry, George, and Ronnie.

The WHO says that sex selection raises ‘serious moral, legal, and social issues’ and can lead to the devaluation of women and gender imbalance.

If it is done on a large scale, it can cause a bit of a mess e.g. a shortage of potential partners of the opposite sex as I believe has happened in China.

silverharp

iptba wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/life/family/mothers-babies/if-i-can-pay-for-it-then-thats-ok-i-can-get-a-girl-model-danielle-lloyd-receives-backlash-after-admitting-shell-choose-the-gender-of-her-next-child-37229979.html

If it is done on a large scale, it can cause a bit of a mess e.g. a shortage of potential partners of the opposite sex as I believe has happened in China.

I thought this was going to be some SJW horror story when it mentioned gender ;-) . it should be random based on the reasoning and very few people would go to the trouble especially if it costs over 10k. Also not a story I’d like to have to explain to my kids

iptba

silverharp wrote: »

The WHO says that sex selection raises ‘serious moral, legal, and social issues’ and can lead to the devaluation of women and gender imbalance.

I thought this was going to be some SJW horror story when it mentioned gender ;-) . it should be random based on the reasoning and very few people would go to the trouble especially if it costs over 10k. Also not a story I’d like to have to explain to my kids

I was only highlighting it as the WHO only mentioned women.

silverharp

iptba wrote: »

I was only highlighting it as the WHO only mentioned women.

sure but there is no society which is incentivised to have daughters over sons so in the context i dont have a problem with it.

iptba

silverharp wrote: »

sure but there is no society which is incentivised to have daughters over sons so in the context i dont have a problem with it.

OK. Though not sure about your wording i.e. societies are incentivized to have boys over females? By who?

givyjoe

iptba wrote: »

OK. Though not sure about your wording i.e. societies are incentivized to have boys over females? By who?

For all sorts of reasons in third world countries.

JRant

givyjoe wrote: »

For all sorts of reasons in third world countries.

I'd imagine Dowries and carrying on the family name would be two fairly big reasons in certain cultures.

iptba

iptba wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/life/family/mothers-babies/if-i-can-pay-for-it-then-thats-ok-i-can-get-a-girl-model-danielle-lloyd-receives-backlash-after-admitting-shell-choose-the-gender-of-her-next-child-37229979.html

If it is done on a large scale, it can cause a bit of a mess e.g. a shortage of potential partners of the opposite sex as I believe has happened in China.

It's unlikely to affect Western countries in the same manner, since we don't have a culture of raising up one gender over another here. China was still very much an agricultural society that had been forced to industrialise rapidly, but it retained a very poor class who worked the land. As such, there was more of a cultural perspective regarding males being superior, and that continues to the present with the little emperors.

I don't see it becoming an issue in the west any time soon. I suspect it's more an indication of the movement to make gender, race, skin color into a marketable and fashionable statement... but again the effects won't be seen for a few more decades.

Eric Cartman

Deleted User wrote: »

It's unlikely to affect Western countries in the same manner, since we don't have a culture of raising up one gender over another here. China was still very much an agricultural society that had been forced to industrialise rapidly, but it retained a very poor class who worked the land. As such, there was more of a cultural perspective regarding males being superior, and that continues to the present with the little emperors.

I don't see it becoming an issue in the west any time soon. I suspect it's more an indication of the movement to make gender, race, skin color into a marketable and fashionable statement... but again the effects won't be seen for a few more decades.

in muslim cultures its a big thing, happening a lot in the UK where gender tested abortions are now quite common.

iptba

I was just watching the end of Elaine on TV3. They were talking about a couple's finances. They mentioned about women having "running away money", some savings that they had hidden away for a rainy day. They wondered whether men also had such money. I wonder are there differences: I imagine some men might "get in trouble" with their partner if such a fund was found.

Without such money, it does make somebody vulnerable if there is domestic abuse.

FishOnABike

iptba wrote: »

I was just watching the end of Elaine on TV3. They were talking about a couple's finances. They mentioned about women having "running away money", some savings that they had hidden away for a rainy day. They wondered whether men also had such money. I wonder are there differences: I imagine some men might "get in trouble" with their partner if such a fund was found.

Without such money, it does make somebody vulnerable if there is domestic abuse.

I've never heard a man mention having "running away money".

I can understand where the concept came from in a time when women did not work outside the home and would have been financially vulnerable.

Nowdays when both spouses usually work (and probably have to in order to get or afford a mortgage) the same vulnerability is not there.

If anything, nowdays a man needs to have " running away money" more than a woman. Male victims of domestic violence have no shelters to go to.

Even in an amicable breakup it is almost always the mother and children who remain in the family home. If the father does not have "running away money" to cover the deposit and a few months rent for somewhere else he is in a very vulnerable position.

Yet we never hear of men having savings hidden away as a rainy day "running away money" fund. Why is this?

One eyed Jack

FishOnABike wrote: »

I've never heard a man mention having "running away money".

I can understand where the concept came from in a time when women did not work outside the home and would have been financially vulnerable.

Nowdays when both spouses usually work (and probably have to in order to get or afford a mortgage) the same vulnerability is not there.

If anything, nowdays a man needs to have " running away money" more than a woman. Male victims of domestic violence have no shelters to go to.

Even in an amicable breakup it is almost always the mother and children who remain in the family home. If the father does not have "running away money" to cover the deposit and a few months rent for somewhere else he is in a very vulnerable position.

Yet we never hear of men having savings hidden away as a rainy day "running away money" fund. Why is this?

Is this a serious question? It’s hidden. That implies at least one glaringly obvious reason why we never hear of it.

givyjoe

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Is this a serious question? It’s hidden. That implies at least one glaringly obvious reason why we never hear of it.

Except womens running away money is very much a thing that we have heard of. Any thoughts on the rest of the post? i.e. whats a guy to do for a roof over this head and how to pay for it?

One eyed Jack

givyjoe wrote: »

Except womens running away money is very much a thing that we have heard of. Any thoughts on the rest of the post? i.e. whats a guy to do for a roof over this head and how to pay for it?

It’s obviously not hidden then if we’re aware of it, and the Courts become aware of it too when a person submits an affidavit of means, and if there are children involved they must also submit an affidavit of welfare -

PROCEDURE IN THE CIRCUIT COURT AND HIGH COURT

The Circuit Court and the High Court have jurisdiction to hear

applications for divorce
decrees of judicial separation
applications for orders under the Family Law Act, 1995
applications for decrees of nullity.

Most of these proceedings will be commenced with a Family Law Civil Bill (Circuit Court) or Family Law Summons (High Court).

Where financial relief is sought it will be necessary to file an Affidavit of Means. Where there are dependent children involved, regardless of whether financial relief is sought, an Affidavit of Welfare must be sworn and filed.

Discovery

Discovery is the procedure whereby both parties obtain full and detailed information about the other’s income, debts, assets, and liabilities. There are strict rules in the Circuit Court and High Court in relation to discovery.

Source: https://businessandlegal.ie/tag/affidavit-of-means

No particular thoughts on the rest of the post tbh.