Mens Rights Thread

Kimsang

Glass fused light wrote: »

I think its interesting to look at what happened at Evergreen college in 2017.

There is a lot of liberal craziness coming from the most liberal colleges in US. From telling people what costumes they can wear at halloween, to what outfits they can wear in general (cultural appropriation), to shutting down of legitimate discussions by invited speakers, to the silencing of opposition instead of beating them with ideas, to trying to change the rules to constantly suit their agenda, showing no integrity.

Its disheartening

Calhoun

Allot to pick apart in that one, i think with Evergreen they are learning that get woke go broke. It will be interesting to see what happens to it in year to come will it recover/class down.

As for the students there i would think there employment prospects in the future are very limited.

For the rest we are civil right now as its relatively easy to be but we have a violent underbelly which can be seen every weekend. As resources become sparse lets see what happens then. Its easy to have high moral standards when your comfortable.

iptba

Ruth Bader Ginsburg offers praise to Brett Kavanaugh for hiring all-female staff
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ruth-bader-ginsburg-offers-praise-to-brett-kavanaugh-for-hiring-all-female-staff

She is a Supreme Court judge in the US. I often wonder whether a lot of people claiming to want better gender balance simply want more women and it's not really about gender balance at all, they're just using that to further their aims.

Wibbs

Apologies, I missed this anon post and only approved it today, so repeating it here.

CanISpendMyMoneyPlease wrote: »

Regular poster but would like to stay anonymous for this, if that's ok. I find it difficult enough to discuss these topics even with an Alias.

The more I read this thread the more I question my relationship with my OH. She was very controlling when it came to me spending my money. Early on we both worked, there was no issues regarding money, we had decent paying jobs. I guess it started out gradually with "are you sure you need that" and then "spending money on an experience is much better than material things". That's ok, that's her opinion. It got to the stage where I would have to hide the things I bought myself. Or if I couldn't hide it I would have to ask her and convince her "Ok then, you can get it". I felt like a child. We would fight over what I spent my money on. We would never mention what she spent her money on (regardless how many handbags and shoes she has). She simply didn't accept my opinion at all. I shouldn't have to convince anybody what I spend MY money on. We don't have a mortgage or any debt at all.

Now it's her that's purchasing things non stop. The house is filled with rubbish that we never use. It's psychological abuse I think. (There's more to it, but I don't think this is the place for that story).

Currently trying to get out of this relationship but it's not so simple. I am a stay at home dad and live in her country, she was homesick so moved to her home country and I am really struggling here. I can't just up and leave and I have literally zero friends here. The more I think about it the more miserable I become. If I didn't have my son to care for I don't think I would be here today...

Kimsang

CanISpendMyMoneyPlease wrote: »

Stay strong for your son, he needs you now in this time more than ever. Things are so complicated, but if you can't get closer to friends&family try exploring some reddit groups there are many people with your similar story. I think its better knowing you're not alone. Maybe you can get good advice from people in similar circumstances.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/4u8fzg/seriousmen_in_abusive_relationshipsvictims_of/
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/6rre0r/serious_men_who_have_left_abusive_relationships/
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMen/comments/ay16cj/men_who_were_in_abusive_relationships_how_has_it/
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/aay571/men_who_left_an_emotionally_abusive_relationship/
https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMen/comments/3huwjn/men_who_have_been_in_an_abusive_relationship/

Glass fused light

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They should be able to offer praticle support for domestic abuse, and help you find a local group.

Google controling behaviour and red flags you will see many personal historys which echo what you are experience. Read the womens ones too as they also show it has got little to do with your/her sex but that it is a personality
And how its the combination of little things which change the romantic fairy tail start to a life which became a toixc prison.

As the saying goes when someone shows you who they are believe them.

You also need professional help so start with your doctor and explain how you are feeling.
You do need real life suport for your current mental health.

Then once that is started look at getting help on the relationship side. You cant change  your partner. What she is doing is wrong. So you need to understand the dynamic of what is going on and if your partner is not willing to work to change you need to look at sepration.

Sepration is a big step with a child. But you being the main caregiver should help is any sex bias in a court case.

If not for yourself do it for your child. They deserve a happy childhood and this comes from a happy parent.

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FishOnABike

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/world/homicide-kills-more-people-than-armed-conflict-women-continue-to-bear-greatest-burden-936013.html

Article headline
Homicide kills more people than armed conflict; Women continue to bear 'greatest burden'
yet buried in the text of the article
"The study found that most homicide victims are men, but women were more often killed by family and intimate partners.

Specifically, 81% of homicide victims were men and boys, ..."

Calhoun

FishOnABike wrote: »

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/world/homicide-kills-more-people-than-armed-conflict-women-continue-to-bear-greatest-burden-936013.html

Article headline
Homicide kills more people than armed conflict; Women continue to bear 'greatest burden'
yet buried in the text of the article
"The study found that most homicide victims are men, but women were more often killed by family and intimate partners.

Specifically, 81% of homicide victims were men and boys, ..."

Then traditional media wonders why people are turning away from them.

Glass fused light

Here is the orignal study
https://www.unodc.org/unodc/en/data-and-analysis/global-study-on-homicide.html
The executive summary makes it very hard to pull basic numbers.
I would expect it to lead off with a breakout of the "reason" in a grid fashion. With the actual raw data numbers.
On the top men and women and male child and female child. With a total column also.
And along the side
Gangs
Political
Robbery/Assault
Domestic
Local feud
Unclassified
Etc
Total hom. => Men + women + male child + female child = Total number killed.

And then split by region and age etc

Its only when the reader has a clear understanding of the raw data and where social policy needs to be reviewed.

Eg women kill more young children men kill older children could mean that parents need different parenting skills and social support at different times.

iptba

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aT_LD75lO6A

iptba

I try so hard to stay in the now and enjoy the moment. On Thursday, I was getting over a bad flu. Spent several nights coughing all night long. It got so bad at 4am I thought I would have to go the emergency in Tralee.

I'm on the mend now and thinking of heading to Croke Park for the football. The upcoming of a match always improves me. But I was very sick. I lost track of the number of people who said: "Ah sure, ha, ha, it's only man flu."

And they'd get another fit of laughing. Ha, ha, ha, ha.

My theory is the people who tell men it's only man flu should share responsibility for the fact so many men are reluctant to go to the doctor. The inference is men are weak and are only looking to be mammied and petted. Maybe there is a bit of truth in that too, and what's wrong with petting and mammying. We all need a bit of TLC every now and then. This woman who wouldn't be known as being particularly fond of men said: "Billy, sure you're only looking for notice."

https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/billy-keane-theres-nothing-like-a-bout-of-man-flu-to-make-a-fella-go-looking-for-icebergs-in-the-heat-of-july-38329434.html

iptba

A third of dads (37 per cent) will not see their children on Father’s Day according to a major new poll from ComRes which was commissioned by Fathers4Justice.

It is the first comprehensive survey of public attitudes to fatherlessness and the family justice system undertaken in the UK.

When asked whether they, or someone they know, have experienced not seeing their children on Father’s Day, 37 per cent of fathers agreed.

If this is repeated, an estimated 2.3 million men will not see their kids.

One in five dads also said they fear losing, or had lost contact, with their children, with 22 per cent knowing someone who had experienced this.

Half of the public told ComRes they want Britain’s next Prime Minister to create a ‘Minister for Men’.

The survey, conducted between 29th May and 9th June 2019, also found the following:
* One in five dads (20%) fear losing, or had lost contact with their children, following separation.
* A third (32%) of men have suffered, or knew someone who had suffered, distress or mental health issues after being denied access to their children.
* Six in ten (60%) think mothers who break court orders giving dads access to their kids should be prosecuted, including 54% of women.
* 8 in 10 (80%) think there should be equal access for mothers and fathers to their children after separation, including 78% of women.
* Three quarters (75%) back “automatic parental responsibility” for new dads even when not married, including 74% of women.
* 43 per cent backed splitting child benefits equally between fathers and mothers.
* Half of the public (50%) back the creation of a Minister for Men, similar to the Minister for Women and Equalities, including 48% of women.
* Half agree (48%) that organisations like the Child Support Agency / Child Maintenance Service do not treat men equally.
* Just 1 in 5 (21%) agreed the family courts treat fathers as equally as mothers, while double that number (40%) disagreed.
* F4J has one of the highest rates of awareness of any UK campaign group, with 4 in 5 people (80%) aware of the campaign, compared to 89% for Amnesty International and 94% for Greenpeace.

https://www.fathers-4-justice.org/2019/06/12044/

The first statistic looks like it might not be accurate as it mixes an individual themselves and someone they know. Also it looks like it combines this year and previous years.

I see somebody has picked up on this on Twitter:

The figure for fathers who had ever not seen their kids on a fathers day was 21%. There was no question asking about *this* father's day.

iptba

https://twitter.com/F4JOfficial/status/1140932079846404097

iptba

But indeed, just another award aimed at helping females. It looks like it is a Europe-wide competition.

https://www.meet-and-code.org/ie/ie/award2019

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In 2019, we will present the Meet and Code Award for the second time to honor particularly successful event ideas. By highlighting these best-practice examples, we want to encourage others to come up with even more new ideas. Because digital education concerns us all. It is only when we all work together that things can change. We're looking for the best ideas in four categories and an audience favorite.


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The four categories of the Meet and Code Award 2019 are aligned with the Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs). Meet and Code is looking for events that contribute to those goals and combine them with the idea of IT and Coding.

Girls do IT!

The topic of equal opportunity and gender equality plays an important role in today’s society. This award category aims to help close the gender gap in IT and Coding. We are looking for creative events that break down gender stereotypes and empower girls in coding. Examples for events in this category could be “Robotics for girls” or “Code like a girl with Snap!”.

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Calhoun

Its really only a european wide advertisement. Playing on the hot button of the day.

Must be **** being a girl and knowing your so **** that they need a token award for you.

iptba

Here's the latest batch of gender-related hashtags I have noticed trending for anyone interested (I know some are not)
(Aside: I'm not on Twitter 24/7 of course and don't look back at lists for when I wasn't on)


Really, not many hashtags to report on but considering there are a number of Twitter ads, I thought I might post now, so the post doesn't get too long.

Twitter ad:
https://twitter.com/balanceinbizie/status/1136030438743564294?s=11

Twitter ad:
(Could be seen as a nice ad on being a father or a subtle ad to encourage men to buy an insurance policy)
https://twitter.com/avivaireland/status/1139549215464579072?s=11

#FathersDay

#womensinspire

Twitter ad:
https://twitter.com/aigireland/status/1143119193799307265?s=11

Twitter ad:
https://twitter.com/aigireland/status/1149302509317570563?s=11

Twitter ad:
https://twitter.com/aigireland/status/1154391038129295360?s=11

Twitter ad:
https://twitter.com/threeireland/status/1157214454276337665?s=11

iptba

I wasn't sure which thread to post this to. Just some random thoughts.

Megan's Law


I just watched an episode of CSI series 8. A man has ended up on the sex offenders register because when he was high on drugs 10 years ago, he thought he was in a cartoon and went outside and started to dance naked. Unfortunately for him children saw him and he was placed on the sex offenders register.

Basically his life ends up ruined.

This is in the US but I think we are moving towards such a situation in Ireland. It just made me think that there needs to be safeguards with such laws. But I don't have much confidence in many politicians arguing in this direction. A lot of the population were against gender quotas in politics but apart from Joanna Tuffy, politicians were generally afraid to be seen to be against such proposals and they have been adopted.

Reviews and Books Galore

Interestingly enough, a lot of countries would have most of their men put on sex offenders lists due to a lot of public nudity. Germany, Spain and Italy are some of the places that I can think of.

As a sidenote it's nice being in a foreign country. I do miss the Irish women, but it's nice walking around a public park, going to a family restaurant, or sitting down near a playground* without somebody sizing me up, staringe down or asking of any of those children are mine.

I probably come across as a spastic as I haven't list my Irish paranoia around women

*I hate that I have to say this, but playgrounds are everywhere where I am and I've actually stopped noticing them as places to avoid.

Pawwed Rig

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

it's nice walking around a public park, going to a family restaurant, or sitting down near a playground* without somebody sizing me up, staringe down or asking of any of those children are mine.

Not sure what your point is tbh. Are you saying that you cannot do this in Ireland?

Reviews and Books Galore

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Not sure what your point is tbh. Are you saying that you cannot do this in Ireland?

The parks here are actually interesting in that there are playgrounds every 300 metrs (5-10 minute walk) or so. So, it's not really like a park and more of a family place I guess? Honestly, there's no doubt people would be giving weird looks to a twenty something guy sitting near a playground. It;s seen as masculine to be part of the child's life and, tbh, there are some top notch fathers here.



Yeah, the eating out could be my own anxiety tbh,

Pawwed Rig

Reviews and Books Galore wrote: »

The parks here are actually interesting in that there are playgrounds every 300 metrs (5-10 minute walk) or so. So, it's not really like a park and more of a family place I guess? Honestly, there's no doubt people would be giving weird looks to a twenty something guy sitting near a playground. It;s seen as masculine to be part of the child's life and, tbh, there are some top notch fathers here.

Sorry but still not sure what your point is

Reviews and Books Galore

Pawwed Rig wrote: »

Sorry but still not sure what your point is

Don't worry about it, there is no point. Just a random observation from somebody waiting for the summer break to be over.

iptba

Fears of hidden steroid abuse by males

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/fears-of-hidden-steroid-abuse-by-males-942975.html

iptba

UPDATE: How’s Gillette Doing Since Its ‘Toxic Masculinity’ Campaign? Very, Very Badly.

https://www.dailywire.com/news/50122/update-hows-gillette-doing-its-toxic-masculinity-james-barrett

Calhoun

iptba wrote: »

https://www.dailywire.com/news/50122/update-hows-gillette-doing-its-toxic-masculinity-james-barrett

I don't think its directly related. The prices of the product is way to high people have been looking for alternatives for years.

As i said on another thread, i think they were flaggin in sales and decided they would go for broke with this ad to see if they could cash in on the woke message. The problem is they didn't understand their audience and with P&G's track record it was so blatant that this was not something they are sincere about.

There was an article they did with the washington post i believe where they said they are ok to take the hit so they could make this stand. Realistically the cash grab failed but that was ok as it gave them a potential out because they could say "our customers are misogynist".

Problem they have is that the stock market doesn't give two ****s about morals, they only care about the green. I would expect a downsizing to happen in Gillette and be interesting to see if the head honcho will be in place in a year or so.

Silentcorner

Calhoun wrote: »

I don't think its directly related. The prices of the product is way to high people have been looking for alternatives for years.

As i said on another thread, i think they were flaggin in sales and decided they would go for broke with this ad to see if they could cash in on the woke message. The problem is they didn't understand their audience and with P&G's track record it was so blatant that this was not something they are sincere about.

There was an article they did with the washington post i believe where they said they are ok to take the hit so they could make this stand. Realistically the cash grab failed but that was ok as it gave them a potential out because they could say "our customers are misogynist".

Problem they have is that the stock market doesn't give two ****s about morals, they only care about the green. I would expect a downsizing to happen in Gillette and be interesting to see if the head honcho will be in place in a year or so.

You are correct, the write down has been coming for a few years, they've been very protective of the damage done to their sales, the ad is only 6 months old so the damage will really be felt over the next 6 months...I think they are looking at a 6-9% market share fall...costing them billions....this is catastrophic in any CEOs thinking....they clearly feel they won't win any of that market share back...it was a spectacular miscalculation that marketing students will be studying for years to come.

Ideology has no place in the boardroom...I get the sense this won't be the only disaster we see over the coming years, hollywood is starting to feel the financial effects of a toxic culture at boardroom level.

silverharp

didnt their ceo say something along the lines of it as worth doing the advert even if it hurt sales. I hope the shareholders are in agreement with that lol

Silentcorner

silverharp wrote: »

didnt their ceo say something along the lines of it as worth doing the advert even if it hurt sales. I hope the shareholders are in agreement with that lol

In any sane world his reputation is in tatters....it's a ruthless world that high in the corporate environment, the big bucks they get paid come at a price!

Hobosan

iptba wrote: »

But indeed, just another award aimed at helping females. It looks like it is a Europe-wide competition.

https://www.meet-and-code.org/ie/ie/award2019

https://www.meet-and-code.org/ie/ie/about

I just realised something while reading your post.

Of the thousands of YouTube vidoes I've watched with regard to fixing networking issues, learning graphic design software, troubleshooting bugs or even guitar lessons, etc, I can't think of a single one in which a woman was giving the lesson.

The thumbnail rarely hints at the gender of the person doing the tutorial either, so it's not like I'm avoiding them.

So, whatever about women being under represented in IT, they are even more under represented in sharing their tech knowledge on YouTube.

To argue that women don't have an equal opportunity in this area would be delusional. All you need is a computer, an internet connection, a microphone and a voice box.

Huntergonzo

It was disappointing to see Gillette jump into bed with those far left, white men hating feminist creatures but they did and now they have to lay in it.

I used to use Gillette razors, never really bothered shopping around until their advertising team somehow thought it would be a good idea to tell me how rotten I was for being the wrong gender and colour.

So I switched to Wilkinson Sword and to be honest they're a better razor, they're cheaper and to the best of my knowledge they don't absolutely despise me. So even if Gillette tries to back track at some point in the future, there's no need for me to ever go back to them, I found a better product, thanks Gillette.

It really was an extraordinary, baffling blunder by Gillette to absolutely eviscerate their own customers and expect them to stay loyal. Who in their right mind green lit this genius idea?? :-)

KrustyUCC

Gillette don't seem to be too concerned

Gillette CEO: Losing customers over #MeToo campaign is 'price worth paying'

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/gillette-ceo-losing-customers-over-metoo-campaign-is-price-worth-paying

Madness from a company

Apparently just because "we were losing share, we were losing awareness and penetration, and something had to be done," Coombe said, adding they decided to "take a chance in an emotionally-charged way."

Big bloody mistake

Huntergonzo

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Gillette don't seem to be too concerned

Gillette CEO: Losing customers over #MeToo campaign is 'price worth paying'

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/gillette-ceo-losing-customers-over-metoo-campaign-is-price-worth-paying

Madness from a company

Apparently just because "we were losing share, we were losing awareness and penetration, and something had to be done," Coombe said, adding they decided to "take a chance in an emotionally-charged way."

Big bloody mistake

When you make a massive mistake you really only have 2 options:

a) admit it and immediately back track to try and limit the damage as much as possible

or

b) take a leaf out of underpants gnomes book. Phase 1 = collect underpants, Phase 2 = ?, Phase 3 = profit

Gillette has chosen option B, lets see how that pans out.

Silentcorner

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Gillette don't seem to be too concerned

Gillette CEO: Losing customers over #MeToo campaign is 'price worth paying'

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/gillette-ceo-losing-customers-over-metoo-campaign-is-price-worth-paying

Madness from a company

Apparently just because "we were losing share, we were losing awareness and penetration, and something had to be done," Coombe said, adding they decided to "take a chance in an emotionally-charged way."

Big bloody mistake

So, they manipulated everybody in the hope of winning market share...by everybody I mean everybody, those who loved the ad and those who didn't...it was never about "Toxic Masculinity"...it was a faceless corporation making a completely desperate attempt to win back market share...they were applauded across media for their stance....so what price was worth it?...has "toxic masculinity" declined since the ad? Sales are clearly suffering (anyone notice how discounted Gillette blades have been since Jan?) and will continue to suffer, I believe they will lose over €5 Billion in Sales over the coming few years.

They wouldn't be the first company that was losing market share and turned to advertising to grow a company, it is done day in and day out...they are the first most obvious example of how damaging a toxic managerial culture can set a $57 Billion Dollar brand up in flames...now, anyone who has worked in a pressured environment knows how tough it can get when Sales are in decline, decisions have to be made about ordering, transport, head counts, advertising etc..you need a strong talented management team to navigate tough times, you know people who have earned their positions through merit...ideology has no place in this kind of environment!!

There was no need to take a mallet to what they describe as masculinity, I can only imagine what the talk is like in the advertising industry after this, some company lost that contract to a radical feminist!!

I admit, I am fascinated by what Gillette have done here, i haven't witnessed that kind of stupidity from a Global Brand before...they lost (potentially) between 6-9% market share from ONE ad....it's actually hilarious when you think about it!!! What a shower of idiots!!!

Huntergonzo

Huntergonzo wrote: »

It was disappointing to see Gillette jump into bed with those far left, white men hating feminist creatures but they did and now they have to lay in it.

I used to use Gillette razors, never really bothered shopping around until their advertising team somehow thought it would be a good idea to tell me how rotten I was for being the wrong gender and colour.

So I switched to Wilkinson Sword and to be honest they're a better razor, they're cheaper and to the best of my knowledge they don't absolutely despise me. So even if Gillette tries to back track at some point in the future, there's no need for me to ever go back to them, I found a better product, thanks Gillette.

It really was an extraordinary, baffling blunder by Gillette to absolutely eviscerate their own customers and expect them to stay loyal. Who in their right mind green lit this genius idea?? :-)

I did the same and i find them better, they last me longer.

...Ghost...

Huntergonzo wrote: »

It was disappointing to see Gillette jump into bed with those far left, white men hating feminist creatures but they did and now they have to lay in it.

I used to use Gillette razors, never really bothered shopping around until their advertising team somehow thought it would be a good idea to tell me how rotten I was for being the wrong gender and colour.

So I switched to Wilkinson Sword and to be honest they're a better razor, they're cheaper and to the best of my knowledge they don't absolutely despise me. So even if Gillette tries to back track at some point in the future, there's no need for me to ever go back to them, I found a better product, thanks Gillette.

It really was an extraordinary, baffling blunder by Gillette to absolutely eviscerate their own customers and expect them to stay loyal. Who in their right mind green lit this genius idea?? :-)

I switched to Lidl razors and they're grand considering I have sensitive skin. Even cheaper than WS.

It wasn't just Gillette though. P&G were behind this and they have a long list of brands I have boycotted and will continue to boycott.

Huntergonzo

...Ghost... wrote: »

I switched to Lidl razors and they're grand considering I have sensitive skin. Even cheaper than WS.

It wasn't just Gillette though. P&G were behind this and they have a long list of brands I have boycotted and will continue to boycott.

I tried Lidl razors, to be honest they didn't work great for me, cut the face off me. But if they work for you then by all means have at it.

I had a look at the list of their P&Gs products and while they certainly are well known brands I generally don't use any of them anyway, the only one I was using on a regular basis was Gillette. By and large the cheaper Lidl and Aldi brands do just fine (except razors of course).

Sleepy

Silentcorner wrote: »

In any sane world his reputation is in tatters....it's a ruthless world that high in the corporate environment, the big bucks they get paid come at a price!

People at that level of business don't live in a sane world though. The CEO will be given a golden parachute on his/her way out the door and will be in another CEO position elsewhere in a few months.

iptba

(UK)
Volkswagen and Philadelphia cream cheese ads banned over gender stereotypes

London (CNN Business)An advertisement juxtaposing male astronauts with a woman sitting by a stroller, and another depicting two hapless dads, are the first casualties of a British ban on gender stereotypes in advertising.

The ads, for Volkswagen and Philadelphia cream cheese, were investigated by the UK Advertising Standards Agency (ASA) after viewers complained they perpetuated gender stereotypes.

New rules that came into force in June prohibit depictions of gender that "are likely to cause harm, or serious or widespread offense."

A second commercial for Philadelphia cream cheese showed two dads looking after their children at a restaurant with a conveyer belt.

The men become so distracted by the food that they lose sight of their babies, who end up circling the restaurant on the belt. "Let's not tell mom," says one, after rescuing his child. Over 125 viewers complained.

"We acknowledged the action was intended to be light-hearted and comical and there was no sense that the children were in danger," the ASA said in its decision.

"We considered, however, that the men were portrayed as somewhat hapless and inattentive, which resulted in them being unable to care for the children effectively," they added. "We did not consider that the use of humour in the ad mitigated the effect of the harmful stereotype."

https://edition.cnn.com/2019/08/14/media/uk-adverts-banned-gender-stereotypes-scli-gbr-intl/index.html

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Huntergonzo wrote: »

It was disappointing to see Gillette jump into bed with those far left, white men hating feminist creatures but they did and now they have to lay in it.

I used to use Gillette razors, never really bothered shopping around until their advertising team somehow thought it would be a good idea to tell me how rotten I was for being the wrong gender and colour.

So I switched to Wilkinson Sword and to be honest they're a better razor, they're cheaper and to the best of my knowledge they don't absolutely despise me. So even if Gillette tries to back track at some point in the future, there's no need for me to ever go back to them, I found a better product, thanks Gillette.

It really was an extraordinary, baffling blunder by Gillette to absolutely eviscerate their own customers and expect them to stay loyal. Who in their right mind green lit this genius idea?? :-)

Gillette ‘Shifting Spotlight from Social Issues’ After Anti-Masculinity Ad Disaster
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/08/23/gillette-shifting-spotlight-from-social-issues-after-anti-masculinity-ad-disaster/

Huntergonzo

iptba wrote: »

Gillette ‘Shifting Spotlight from Social Issues’ After Anti-Masculinity Ad Disaster
https://www.breitbart.com/tech/2019/08/23/gillette-shifting-spotlight-from-social-issues-after-anti-masculinity-ad-disaster/

Haha ye I seen that, no direct admission of making a mistake and no trace of an apology, this is even more pathetic on their behalf. Trying to get people to just forget that about their far left feminist ads.

But anyway look, I won't be buying their products again, I don't need to, I found a cheaper and better product, so that's it for me really.

Blueshoe

They lost 8 billion over that. Their CEO or company president was out saying that it didn't really matter because they were highlighting an important issue. Lol.
Yeah right

Silentcorner

Blueshoe wrote: »

They lost 8 billion over that. Their CEO or company president was out saying that it didn't really matter because they were highlighting an important issue. Lol.
Yeah right

8 billion is only the value of the non cash write down, a massive one at that, which has been coming now for a number of years...but this is going to cost Gillette well over $15 billion over the next few years, the brand name is in the dustbin....in an industry where they (as in company rivals) fight over every single % of market share, this could well be the biggest corporate f##k up since globalisation kicked off in the 80s...

This is the problem when you promote people into positions of power beyond their capabilities, it has very real consequences, especially if those people are being promoted because of the ideology they identify with, you cannot reason with radicals....and remember, feminism is hard left ideology it does not mix well with free market economics.

They knew instantly that they had a problem, it took them over 8 months to correct themselves....that is incompetence of the highest order, that's before you get into giving the job to a radical feminist, you know, the man hating movement we are drenched in these days...

Blueshoe

Silentcorner wrote: »

8 billion is only the value of the non cash write down, a massive one at that, which has been coming now for a number of years...but this is going to cost Gillette well over $15 billion over the next few years, the brand name is in the dustbin....in an industry where they (as in company rivals) fight over every single % of market share, this could well be the biggest corporate f##k up since globalisation kicked off in the 80s...

This is the problem when you promote people into positions of power beyond their capabilities, it has very real consequences, especially if those people are being promoted because of the ideology they identify with, you cannot reason with radicals....and remember, feminism is hard left ideology it does not mix well with free market economics.

They knew instantly that they had a problem, it took them over 8 months to correct themselves....that is incompetence of the highest order, that's before you get into giving the job to a radical feminist, you know, the man hating movement we are drenched in these days...

Personally I will never buy another Gillette product again.
They are a private company only interested in profits. Who are they to preach down at men. Their customers!

Huntergonzo

Silentcorner wrote: »

8 billion is only the value of the non cash write down, a massive one at that, which has been coming now for a number of years...but this is going to cost Gillette well over $15 billion over the next few years, the brand name is in the dustbin....in an industry where they (as in company rivals) fight over every single % of market share, this could well be the biggest corporate f##k up since globalisation kicked off in the 80s...

This is the problem when you promote people into positions of power beyond their capabilities, it has very real consequences, especially if those people are being promoted because of the ideology they identify with, you cannot reason with radicals....and remember, feminism is hard left ideology it does not mix well with free market economics.

They knew instantly that they had a problem, it took them over 8 months to correct themselves....that is incompetence of the highest order, that's before you get into giving the job to a radical feminist, you know, the man hating movement we are drenched in these days...

I mean it was a terrible idea to begin with, they hired a man hating 3rd wave feminist to direct an ad which preeches about how horrible all men are (but especially white of course!) and never even shows any of their razors.

And this ad was designed to increase razor sales among men!!!

It's actually hilarious, I mean I know nothing about marketing, but surely it goes without say that shíting all over your target market ain't a great idea.

Huntergonzo

Blueshoe wrote: »

Personally I will never buy another Gillette product again.
They are a private company only interested in profits. Who are they to preach down at men. Their customers!

Don't forget that Gillette is owned by Proctor & Gamble, who have a whole host of overpriced products that are worth avoiding.

Silentcorner

Huntergonzo wrote: »

I mean it was a terrible idea to begin with, they hired a man hating 3rd wave feminist to direct an ad which preeches about how horrible all men are (but especially white of course!) and never even shows any of their razors.

And this ad was designed to increase razor sales among men!!!

It's actually hilarious, I mean I know nothing about marketing, but surely it goes without say that shíting all over your target market ain't a great idea.

I am getting a good laugh out of this myself, not because a feminist f##ked up, but the complete madness of it all...Proctor and Gamble pride themselves in being a very successful marketing company....one of the biggest in the world, this ad was a radical feminists fantasy of how she define's masculinity, I'm surprised she didn't include men murdering puppies...radical feminists creatively only have two gears, men are horrible bas#t#rds and vaginas are great...after that they've nothing to add...

PS, there is a huge distinction between feminists and ordinary women who are not drinking the kool aid.

Huntergonzo

Silentcorner wrote: »

I am getting a good laugh out of this myself, not because a feminist f##ked up, but the complete madness of it all...Proctor and Gamble pride themselves in being a very successful marketing company....one of the biggest in the world, this ad was a radical feminists fantasy of how she define's masculinity, I'm surprised she didn't include men murdering puppies...radical feminists creatively only have two gears, men are horrible bas#t#rds and vaginas are great...after that they've nothing to add...

PS, there is a huge distinction between feminists and ordinary women who are not drinking the kool aid.

"I'm surprised she didn't include men murdering puppie"

Haha sure maybe she did, just didn't make the final cut.

Here listen I love women, some of the most important people in my life are women, but the psychopathic feminist cult does not speak for them, nor do they speak for any normal person.

Calhoun

Did this ad campaign really do them damage? Yes and no, while i believe their product was already in decline and this ad campaign was an insincere and capitalistic play trying to dial into what they thought would get them lots of praise and sales.

However they forgot 1. who their audience was, 2. they are proctor and gamble who have a fairly bad human rights record, and finally the people they aimed this ad campaign at would never have bought it from them anyway.

So why did they do it? Its actually quite smart, with things on the way down they would have known the stock revaluation ect would be coming so they put this out to either try and boost numbers or if it went wrong they could blame sexists on the numbers.

They forgot however that wallstreet doesn't see in any color but green and so this may have done them more damage long term than anything else.

Silentcorner

Calhoun wrote: »

Did this ad campaign really do them damage? Yes and no, while i believe their product was already in decline and this ad campaign was an insincere and capitalistic play trying to dial into what they thought would get them lots of praise and sales.

However they forgot 1. who their audience was, 2. they are proctor and gamble who have a fairly bad human rights record, and finally the people they aimed this ad campaign at would never have bought it from them anyway.

So why did they do it? Its actually quite smart, with things on the way down they would have known the stock revaluation ect would be coming so they put this out to either try and boost numbers or if it went wrong they could blame sexists on the numbers.

They forgot however that wallstreet doesn't see in any color but green and so this may have done them more damage long term than anything else.

I'm sorry to be this dismissive of your view, but there was absolutely nothing smart about this strategy, they were losing market share to smaller smarter competition so I can understand trying something new and they felt they were out of options, that much i can get.

There is nobody who isn't aware of how divisive public discourse is these days and they chose to attempt to use this discourse to connect with a new demographic....there is no way they didn't consider the 750 million male customers they already had (altho it is thought that women buy 30% of the blades for their partners), when you deliberately pick a side in a toxic culture we are witnessing, there is no way back....

This won't be the last of these kinds of debacles, it will however be the biggest, they have probably lost nearly 75 million customers, and the way retail operates, this is only starting to hurt their factory sales.

They knew instantly they had a big big big problem, those male customers are the type that spend a lot of time on youtube (which they would have known), Youtube gave them an instant barometre of how the ad was being received, forget about mainstream media which all reported glowingly on the ad (remember, Proctor and Gamble are one of the largest buyers of ad space globally) they were getting an horrific message from Youtube and they chose to ignore.

The ad could have gone with the same message with a bit of subtly and creativity, but radical feminists are known for either!

The CEO (Gary Coombe) will go down in infamy as will Kim Gherig, the radical feminist who got the gig because of an industry initiative that would allow women win contracts were not winning!

It is a clusterf##k from start to finish...