**Music Before/After**

Bubbleope

screeeewed wrote: »

What is the timing for the composing.and harmony questions would ye say..?:)

omg somebody please answer this!! :L
my timing failed me in the mocks for the composing. /: it took me sooo long to do the melody nice and neatly and then the harmony was a mess.
i think i spent 1 hr on the melody and 30 mins on the harmony. it was a disaster. had to rush both of them tbh. /: needed more time. O:
how long are you meant to spend on each?

JonnyMcNamee

Bubbleope wrote: »

omg somebody please answer this!! :L
my timing failed me in the mocks for the composing. /: it took me sooo long to do the melody nice and neatly and then the harmony was a mess.
i think i spent 1 hr on the melody and 30 mins on the harmony. it was a disaster. had to rush both of them tbh. /: needed more time. O:
how long are you meant to spend on each?

Never really had any problem with timing before, I always get pieces done in under 30 mins, but like with a lot of things you need to leave yourself time to look back over what you've done because you will always find little mistakes. 35 mins for each piece should be grand, leaving you with 10 mins to check over each question

sheeba7

For the minor melody and harmony question , can we use the harmonic minor or do we have to use the melodic minor?

ChemHickey

sheeba7 wrote: »

For the minor melody and harmony question , can we use the harmonic minor or do we have to use the melodic minor?

You can use either apparently. But I'd stick with melodic as it sounds nicer and less 'Eastern' (less Egyptian or Asian)

Bubbleope

JonnyMcNamee wrote: »

Never really had any problem with timing before, I always get pieces done in under 30 mins, but like with a lot of things you need to leave yourself time to look back over what you've done because you will always find little mistakes. 35 mins for each piece should be grand, leaving you with 10 mins to check over each question

scheisse where am i going with 1hr and 30 mins. XD ah i'm fúcked.:o can't wait for it to be over. thanks though. i'll try to shtick it to that timing so

sheeba7

So for harmonic minor do you just sharpen the seventh .

colehface

My teacher always said spend 50 minutes on Q5 and then the rest on either Q1 OR Q3.
Wouldn't be suprised if they were both in the minor.
I've heard a tonne of teachers hint at Tchaikovsky for question one on the listening paper too!
Something on Sean O Riada will probably come up, but the questions are always so specific ;x

Sinfonia

sheeba7 wrote: »

So for harmonic minor do you just sharpen the seventh .

*Raise the seventh (i.e. if the 7th is already flat, then you naturalise it)

colehface

sheeba7 wrote: »

So for harmonic minor do you just sharpen the seventh .

Yeah, harmonic minor is where you raise the 7th note a semitone.
So if it's already sharp, it becomes natural, etc.

colehface

Sinfonia wrote: »

*Raise the seventh (i.e. if the 7th is already flat, then you naturalise it)

Great minds and all that :P

sheeba7

Sorry chemhickey , so the only thing i will have to do with the notes in the minor harmony baseline , is raise the seventh note a semitone .
So there is no change to any other note

colehface

sheeba7 wrote: »

Sorry chemhickey , so the only thing i will have to do with the notes in the minor harmony baseline , is raise the seventh note a semitone .
So there is no change to any other note

The chord of two is diminished so you are only able to use it in its first inversion position.
Chord six can only be used in its root position.
My teacher always recommended avoiding V7 if you have trouble understanding the whole raising the leading note a semitone.

lantern..

@ Bubbleope and leaveiton

Aaaand our teacher taught us none of that....fml.
Looks like it's going to be a busy night, but thank you so much, no wonder I had so much trouble during the mocks!
This will help quite a bit

ChemHickey

sheeba7 wrote: »

Sorry chemhickey , so the only thing i will have to do with the notes in the minor harmony baseline , is raise the seventh note a semitone .
So there is no change to any other note

Only raise it if you are ascending, and remember, the Leading note (7th note) must always rise to the tonic in Leaving cert music... It's just a little rule really. If you can, raise the 6th and then 7th (as 2 quavers) and then tonic on a full beat if it suits. It makes a nicer sound than just the raised seventh note eg. F G# A. doesn't sound as nice as F# G# A.

Then when falling from tonic, flatten/naaturalise the two notes.

So in A harmonic minor, it would be F G# A G# F (A tad egyptian as I already said)

A melodic minor F# G# A Gnatural Fnatural (more melodic as the name suggests)

PictureFrame

Ok for Irish Music essays, I need to learn:

1. Influence of Irish Music in North America
2. Fusion of Irish Music and Other Styles
3. Changes within and outside the tradition
4. The Céilí Band
5. Regional Styles

Other than that, i'm learning Section 1, 4, 6, 7 from Bach

Barry- A, B1, C1, C2, D1, D2+B3, E1, C4, C5, E2+D3, F+C8, C9, H

Queen- Everything but the Recap

Tchaikovsky- Exposition, Transition, Development, Recap, Coda

ChemHickey

PictureFrame wrote: »

Ok for Irish Music essays, I need to learn:

1. Influence of Irish Music in North America
2. Fusion of Irish Music and Other Styles
3. Changes within and outside the tradition
4. The Céilí Band
5. Regional Styles

Other than that, i'm learning Section 1, 4, 6, 7 from Bach

Barry- A, B1, C1, C2, D1, D2+B3, E1, C4, C5, E2+D3, F+C8, C9, H

Queen- Everything but the Recap

Tchaikovsky- Exposition, Transition, Development, Recap, Coda

Céilí band came up last year no?

Learn Bach 5. Hasn't been up in a while I don't think.

Tchaik- Strife theme.

Bubbleope

if the second song and riff comes up for the queen part of the listening i think i might just start dancing in my chair.

PictureFrame

ChemHickey wrote: »

Céilí band came up last year no?

Learn Bach 5. Hasn't been up in a while I don't think.

Tchaik- Strife theme.

Yeah you're right, I will learn the Harp instead, hasn't been on since 2003!

I think 5 (Bass recitative) came up last year!

I'm struggling to learn this stuff, ughh

leaveiton

I'd love a nice Baroque piece for the aural skills tomorrow. Dunno why but I love answering questions on Baroque music :pac:

ivanh

I know this is awfully last minute, BUT

Can someone please explain the terms monophonic, homophonic and polyphonic??

I just don't get them /

JonnyMcNamee

ivanh wrote: »

I know this is awfully last minute, BUT

Can someone please explain the terms monophonic, homophonic and polyphonic??

I just don't get them /

Right I'm open to correction but I'm nearly sure
monophonic= one instrument playing a melody
Homophonic= two instruments playing the same melody
Polyphonic= two or more instruments playing different melodies

Once again, fairly sure that's right, could be wrong though :S

leaveiton

JonnyMcNamee wrote: »

Right I'm open to correction but I'm nearly sure
monophonic= one instrument playing a melody
Homophonic= two instruments playing the same melody
Polyphonic= two or more instruments playing different melodies

Once again, fairly sure that's right, could be wrong though :S

Homophonic is when you have a melody and an accompaniment.

JonnyMcNamee

leaveiton wrote: »

JonnyMcNamee wrote: »

Right I'm open to correction but I'm nearly sure
monophonic= one instrument playing a melody
Homophonic= two instruments playing the same melody
Polyphonic= two or more instruments playing different melodies

Once again, fairly sure that's right, could be wrong though :S

Homophonic is when you have a melody and an accompaniment.

knew there was something wrong :S :pac: Thanks!

biohaiid

I honestly dont care what comes up.
Absolutely loathe music.
I just wanna pass, although even thats looking dodgy.
I read over bach, thcaikovsky and queen .. Not doing Barry, I just cant.
I read over Irish dances, Sean Nos, Fusion, North America, The Harp and Regional Styles.
And I know how to do a very basic melody and chords.
That be it.

ismiseaoife

Any tips on recognising each part of the Tchaikovsky? Intro, exposition etc.. I can never tell the difference

ChemHickey

PictureFrame wrote: »

ChemHickey wrote: »

Céilí band came up last year no?

Learn Bach 5. Hasn't been up in a while I don't think.

Tchaik- Strife theme.

Yeah you're right, I will learn the Harp instead, hasn't been on since 2003!

I think 5 (Bass recitative) came up last year!

I'm struggling to learn this stuff, ughh

Really? I'm certain it was tenor recit and aria duet and bass aria.

And harping came up in 09 I think! Not certain!


I'm learning chieftains(fusion) ornamentation harp American stuff and Sean nos. Hope it's enough!

PictureFrame

biohaiid wrote: »

I honestly dont care what comes up.
Absolutely loathe music.
I just wanna pass, although even thats looking dodgy.
I read over bach, thcaikovsky and queen .. Not doing Barry, I just cant.
I read over Irish dances, Sean Nos, Fusion, North America, The Harp and Regional Styles.
And I know how to do a very basic melody and chords.
That be it.

I hate Music too. I actually can't do any more tonight, I was so worked up about Economics this morning i've drained myself of all my energy. I'm going to get up at 4.30 tomorrow to cram, i've everything left to do basically!

sheeba7

Could somebody please tell me how to do a minor melody.
For example what to do for the A1 , B and A2 phrase.

leaveiton

sheeba7 wrote: »

Could somebody please tell me how to do a minor melody.
For example what to do for the A1 , B and A2 phrase.

I'm not sure what kind of structure you follow for your major melodies but minor melodies are pretty much the same except you don't have to modulate.

biohaiid

PictureFrame wrote: »

I hate Music too. I actually can't do any more tonight, I was so worked up about Economics this morning i've drained myself of all my energy. I'm going to get up at 4.30 tomorrow to cram, i've everything left to do basically!

I really wish I didn't do it now. :L
Its meant to be handy enough for points but I have such a profoundly stupid teacher, like no joke. She's useless.
It doesnt start til' 1:30 so you have plenty of time.
I'd help but I honestly cant. :L