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**Music Before/After**

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  • #62
    biohaiid
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    leaveiton wrote: »
    I'm not sure what kind of structure you follow for your major melodies but minor melodies are pretty much the same except you don't have to modulate.
    And raise the 7th.


  • #63
    leaveiton
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,778 ✭✭✭leaveiton


    biohaiid wrote: »
    And raise the 7th.

    Well yeah, obviously :P But that's not really to do with the structure


  • #64
    ChemHickey
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    leaveiton wrote: »
    Well yeah, obviously :P But that's not really to do with the structure

    No one else going to modulate into the relative major? Or raise the 6th?

    excellent-racoon1.jpg


  • #65
    sheeba7
    Registered Users Posts: 64 ✭✭sheeba7


    For the minor melody b , third phrase do we have to start on the first note of the minor scale or can we start on the third


  • #66
    ChemHickey
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    sheeba7 wrote: »
    For the minor melody b , third phrase do we have to start on the first note of the minor scale or can we start on the third

    Depends if you modulate. If you modulate, you should start on third, if not, whatever pleases you! :L


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  • #67
    sheeba7
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    Thank you ChemHickey .
    You are a lifesaver:D


  • #68
    ChemHickey
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    Anyone have any fool proof way of knowing which section the Tchaik is from? I can tell, but it takes a whilín... :o


  • #69
    ehshup
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    So am I right in thinking you raise 6th and 7th if you are ascending like that in a scale, but apart from that when descending from 7th to 6th you have to lower them by a semitone, and if not either of these situations you can raise the 7th whenever you like as long as it sounds musical?


  • #70
    ehshup
    Registered Users Posts: 62 ✭✭ehshup


    ChemHickey wrote: »
    Anyone have any fool proof way of knowing which section the Tchaik is from? I can tell, but it takes a whilín... :o
    Well the intro is obvious, if the strife is just strings without tutti then it's exposition, if it's love theme and it's played by either cor anglais and viola, or flute and some strings, then it's also exposition. If you hear the warped Friar Lawrence theme then you know it's the development (see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxvGO0Ac1Qk&feature=fvwrel ) then if you hear strife with tutti it's recap, if you hear love theme with the strings playing the love theme then it's recap, (especially if you can hear timpani or fast violin playing), and the coda is pretty clear too...if that helps...Look at the videos though, it helps a lot


  • #71
    ChemHickey
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    ehshup wrote: »
    So am I right in thinking you raise 6th and 7th if you are ascending like that in a scale, but apart from that when descending from 7th to 6th you have to lower them by a semitone, and if not either of these situations you can raise the 7th whenever you like as long as it sounds musical?

    Finally, another melodic man!!

    For melodic minors, you raise both the 6th and 7th when ascending.
    Then, on the descent, you "lower" them once again. eg. F# G# A G♮ F♮

    But, in auxiliary notes, you must be careful. Eg, you would go A G# A not A G A.

    Also, you would go G# F# G#

    You would also go E F♮ E etc.

    But, in turn, you can ignore the melodic minor and just do harmonic. (More marks for me :P ;) :P)


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  • #72
    ChemHickey
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    ehshup wrote: »
    Well the intro is obvious, if the strife is just strife then it's exposition, if it's love theme and it's played by either cor anglais and viola, or flute and some strings, then it's also exposition. If you hear the warped Friar Lawrence theme then you know it's the development (see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxvGO0Ac1Qk&feature=fvwrel ) then if you hear strife with tutti it's recap, if you hear love theme with the strings playing the love theme then it's recap, (especially if you can hear timpani or fast violin playing), and the coda is pretty clear too...if that helps...Look at the videos though, it helps a lot

    Thanks! I answered your question while you were answering mine! :D TEAM-WORK!


  • #73
    HeaneyBabe
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    nice question on justin bieber would be grand


  • #74
    JonnyMcNamee
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    Lads Im after really confusing myself in regards to Cantata No.78! Dunno which way is up now when it comes to the movements, arias etc. Anyone wanna help me out? :/


  • #75
    ChemHickey
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    JonnyMcNamee wrote: »
    Lads Im after really confusing myself in regards to Cantata No.78! Dunno which way is up now when it comes to the movements, arias etc. Anyone wanna help me out? :/

    You'll know the opening.

    The aria duet is the one with the women voices (can't miss it)

    The tenor recit is quite bare and disjointed, huge jumps and quite high

    the tenor aria is in 6/8 and the flute obligatto.

    Bass recit gets really low, deep voice and string accompaniment

    Bass aria sounds like an oboe concerto!

    The finish is just the voices and you can barely here the accompaniment!


    Hope it helps a bit!


  • #76
    Freewheelin_
    Registered Users Posts: 27 ✭Freewheelin_


    ChemHickey wrote: »
    No one else going to modulate into the relative major? Or raise the 6th?

    excellent-racoon1.jpg

    Don't be spouting misinformation. You only raise the 6th when going to the 7th through the 6th. Not necessary and basic will get you full marks so I won't bother trying to be fancy.

    Now lads. Can someone give me a list of features of Irish music? If it's not in Irish and isn't sean nos, I hate that question.


  • #77
    leaveiton
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    HeaneyBabe wrote: »
    nice question on justin bieber would be grand

    Sure S Club 7 came up in 2002!


  • #78
    ChemHickey
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    Freewheelin_ wrote: »
    ChemHickey wrote: »
    No one else going to modulate into the relative major? Or raise the 6th?

    excellent-racoon1.jpg

    Don't be spouting misinformation. You only raise the 6th when going to the 7th through the 6th. Not necessary and basic will get you full marks so I won't bother trying to be fancy.

    Now lads. Can someone give me a list of features of Irish music? If it's not in Irish and isn't sean nos, I hate that question.


    I'm not spouting misinformation. Anyone doing LC music should know the difference between a melodic and harmonic minor. It's not necessary but examiners find harmonic minors less 'Western' which is effectively what our exam is based on.


  • #79
    Freewheelin_
    Registered Users Posts: 27 ✭Freewheelin_


    JonnyMcNamee wrote: »
    Lads Im after really confusing myself in regards to Cantata No.78! Dunno which way is up now when it comes to the movements, arias etc. Anyone wanna help me out? :/

    The first one (chorus?) is all 4 voices and a little faster than the chorale.

    Everyone knows and loves the aria duetto though

    The recitatives sound ****, that's how you recognise them. The one with barely anything is the Tenor recitative (dry/secco), the bass one sounds a little better.

    Tenor aria is the only other solo voiced movement that isn't a recitative

    Great way to remember the bass aria is that the oboe plays it like it sounds - it goes "bass ah-ria, bass ah-ria" etc. Works for me at least.

    The chorale is all four voices, slow and church like (funnily enough)


  • #80
    Luno
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    ChemHickey wrote: »
    I'm not spouting misinformation. Anyone doing LC music should know the difference between a melodic and harmonic minor. It's not necessary but examiners find harmonic minors less 'Western' which is effectively what our exam is based on.

    Nowhere on the syllabus does it say that you need to know that, it doesn't make a difference at the end of the day. Why are you trying to be controversial?


  • #81
    screeeewed
    Registered Users Posts: 14 ✭screeeewed


    We all know chemhickey will be coming out with an A1 anyways..fair play to ya helping everyone:) would ya know in bo-rhap..would the 'magnifico' in operatic section would be an example of reverb?


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  • #82
    ChemHickey
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    M&S* wrote: »
    ChemHickey wrote: »
    I'm not spouting misinformation. Anyone doing LC music should know the difference between a melodic and harmonic minor. It's not necessary but examiners find harmonic minors less 'Western' which is effectively what our exam is based on.

    Nowhere on the syllabus does it say that you need to know that, it doesn't make a difference at the end of the day. Why are you trying to be controversial?

    It's not mentioned on the syllabus because it's a given. You're expected to know it. Like you're expected to know musical notation and instrumentation.


    I'm not trying to be controversial, but on several occasions different teachers have told me to try and avoid the harmonic minor as it is too Eastern for the exam.

    Just stick to whatever you've always done.


  • #83
    leaveiton
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    screeeewed wrote: »
    We all know chemhickey will be coming out with an A1 anyways..fair play to ya helping everyone:) would ya know in bo-rhap..would the 'magnifico' in operatic section would be an example of reverb?

    Yes :)


  • #84
    Luno
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,840 ✭✭✭Luno


    ChemHickey wrote: »
    It's not mentioned on the syllabus because it's a given. You're expected to know it. Like you're expected to know musical notation and instrumentation.


    I'm not trying to be controversial, but on several occasions different teachers have told me to try and avoid the harmonic minor as it is too Eastern for the exam.

    Just stick to whatever you've always done.

    Ah okay that's fair enough, sorry if it sounded like I was having a go. I just would have presumed that the leaving cert standard would be slightly lower than that sort of understanding. But yeah, sticking to what you know at this stage is best!


  • #85
    ismiseaoife
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    Freewheelin_ wrote: »
    Can someone give me a list of features of Irish music? If it's not in Irish and isn't sean nos, I hate that question.

    Just remember MRS FROSTED

    M - Modal
    R - wide Range
    S - Seventh

    F - Flattened (flattened seventh)
    R - Repeated last note
    O - Ornamentation (Donegal - little, Munster - more, Connemara - lots)
    S - Solo
    T - Ternary form
    E - tunes learned by Ear
    D - little use of Dynamics


  • #86
    ChemHickey
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    screeeewed wrote: »
    We all know chemhickey will be coming out with an A1 anyways..fair play to ya helping everyone:) would ya know in bo-rhap..would the 'magnifico' in operatic section would be an example of reverb?
    I doubt ill get the a1 in the end though.


    Yes, it should suffice. you could also mention it's called the Bell Effect.


  • #87
    ChemHickey
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    M&S* wrote: »
    ChemHickey wrote: »
    It's not mentioned on the syllabus because it's a given. You're expected to know it. Like you're expected to know musical notation and instrumentation.


    I'm not trying to be controversial, but on several occasions different teachers have told me to try and avoid the harmonic minor as it is too Eastern for the exam.

    Just stick to whatever you've always done.

    Ah okay that's fair enough, sorry if it sounded like I was having a go. I just would have presumed that the leaving cert standard would be slightly lower than that sort of understanding. But yeah, sticking to what you know at this stage is best!


    Nah you're fine. I hope I didn't come across to harsh either. Just trying to help people out. =P I'm just praying it'll be easy!


  • #88
    Freewheelin_
    Registered Users Posts: 27 ✭Freewheelin_


    ChemHickey wrote: »
    I doubt ill get the a1 in the end though.


    Yes, it should suffice. you could also mention it's called the Bell Effect.

    I didn't think it was, I thought it was panning.

    For example, this a plain track:

    http://soundcloud.com/user4817211/tangerine-12-string

    And this is the track with reverb:

    http://soundcloud.com/user4817211/tangerine-12-string-reverb

    The "Magnifico" doesn't really sound like that. Of course, I may be wrong.


  • #89
    screeeewed
    Registered Users Posts: 14 ✭screeeewed


    ChemHickey wrote: »
    screeeewed wrote: »
    We all know chemhickey will be coming out with an A1 anyways..fair play to ya helping everyone:) would ya know in bo-rhap..would the 'magnifico' in operatic section would be an example of reverb?
    I doubt ill get the a1 in the end though.


    Yes, it should suffice. you could also mention it's called the Bell Effect.

    I wanted an A1 until our teacher was replaced by a bollox and had to learn all of Bach and Barry..and the melody writing myself;( nah, you will, come on ya know everything:L if ya had good practicle,your sorted:) sound, thanks:D


  • #90
    Luno
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    Freewheelin_ wrote: »
    I didn't think it was, I thought it was panning.

    For example, this a plain track:

    http://soundcloud.com/user4817211/tangerine-12-string

    And this is the track with reverb:

    http://soundcloud.com/user4817211/tangerine-12-string-reverb

    The "Magnifico" doesn't really sound like that. Of course, I may be wrong.

    It's the bell effect alright with multi tracking?


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  • #91
    screeeewed
    Registered Users Posts: 14 ✭screeeewed


    Freewheelin_ wrote: »
    ChemHickey wrote: »
    I doubt ill get the a1 in the end though.


    Yes, it should suffice. you could also mention it's called the Bell Effect.

    I didn't think it was, I thought it was panning.

    For example, this a plain track:

    http://soundcloud.com/user4817211/tangerine-12-string

    And this is the track with reverb:

    http://soundcloud.com/user4817211/tangerine-12-string-reverb

    The "Magnifico" doesn't really sound like that. Of course, I may be wrong.
    Panning is when the sounds come out of different speakers..'easy come easy go'..so its not that anyway:P


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