General Practitioners are overpaid?

LizT

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

thebankers wrote: »

50 euro for a 5 min consultation. .

600 an hour so. Do you think this all goes into his pocket, or does it pay for him, equipment, rent, rates, power, an assistant, a nurse maybe, admin, accounting etc...

A lot of patients are going to be in longer though, they may have to make referrals, send off for tests, record the visit in their notes etc and that all takes time. They have to pay for rent, equipment, nursing staff, receptionist etc etc.

They do get a good wage but considering it takes them the guts of ten years to be fully qualified as a GP, I'd say they deserve it.

Traumadoc

amtw wrote: »

Mathematicians should get 10 euro a min like a GP, no? Seems fair I think.

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10 euro a min is 4800 a day or 19k a week close to a million a year.:rolleyes:

Fuinseog

thebankers wrote: »

Why are these people so grossly overpaid? Notwithstanding the fact that alot of GP's are a product of the corporate money making field of general medicine, where research is corrupted through the influence of shady corporations intent on managing conditions, not cures, some also tend to exhibit a god complex.

Medical Research is by it's very nature, not a pure natural science. Am I on to something here, or just plain crazy? I don't understand the craze for medical places in this country. It's not the most important field by any means Medical Research is still by and large in the dark ages. Mathematicians should get 10 euro a min like a GP, no? Seems fair I think.

finally someone taking a swipe the medical profession. 60 euro I paid last time i had to go to one and it took less than 5 mins and he told me nothing I did not know already.

Dravokivich

[QUOTE=thebankers;79210527]50 euro for a 5 min consultation. No tests, just a glance. That is a joke. There should be laws clamping down on this sort of thing. Engineers save lives too, just in an indirect manner. Engineers and Biological Researchers save lives too, yet aren't always paid as much.[/QUOTE]

Stop going to the doctors every time you have a fúcking cold.

Nothingbetter2d

in ireland the GP's and Dentists definitely have some sort of cartel pricing going on.

my dad travelled to Macedonia this week to get his teeth sorted.

for a full set of back teeth implants he was quoted €28000 (cheapest) to €36000 (dearest) in ireland

he got quoted €6000 in macedonia for the same thing :eek:

mauzo

Nothingbetter2d wrote: »

in ireland the GP's and Dentists definitely have some sort of cartel pricing going on.

my dad travelled to Macedonia this week to get his teeth sorted.

for a full set of back teeth implants he was quoted €28000 (cheapest) to €36000 (dearest) in ireland

he got quoted €6000 in macedonia for the same thing :eek:

What are they made out of?! Ivory?

DOes he really need teeth? JEsus 36000 for some back teeth!!!! I'd do without...can you not just blend his food for him....

Gurdy

Nothingbetter2d wrote: »

in ireland the GP's and Dentists definitely have some sort of cartel pricing going on.

my dad travelled to Macedonia this week to get his teeth sorted.

for a full set of back teeth implants he was quoted €28000 (cheapest) to €36000 (dearest) in ireland

he got quoted €6000 in macedonia for the same thing :eek:

To be fair...differences in the cost of living

Ireland:
http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Ireland

VS

Macedonia:
http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Macedonia

Sykk

It's all well and good they spent years going through college/medical school, however it doesn't warrant a €60 fee to be seen for 5 minutes.

Sleepy

"Doc, I've got tonsilitus again, can I have a prescription for that Calvepen 666 again?"

"That'll be €55".

That, right there, is my problem with GP's. No issues paying the €50 or so if there's actually any diagnostic work for them to do but when you're forced to give them money for broad spectrum anti-biotics which can be bought over the counter in half of Europe, it's a kick in the teeth imo.

krudler

I was at the gp the other day, I have arthritis so get my bloodwork done every few months for the meds I'm on, mentioned I have having some pain in my left wrist (before the jokes start flying I use my right for that :pac: ) and he took a quick look at it, and a bloodtest thats normally 20 quid then became 70 for a consultation, I shoulda kept my fcuking mouth shut.

Gurgle

Sleepy wrote: »

"Doc, I've got tonsilitus again, can I have a prescription for that Calvepen 666 again?"

"That'll be €55".

"Doc, I've got tonsilitus again, can I have a prescription for that Calvepen 666 again?"

"That'll be €12, you can pick it up at reception".

Do I have a better GP?

blackwhite

Duggys Housemate wrote: »

I have no idea what those schemes are, I have never visited a GP past 5. I bet 90% of out of hour emergencies are handled by paramedics. What stats do you have?

90% of real emergencies that require hospital treatment are first seem by paramedics, who simply do their best to stabilise a patient before getting them to a doctor in a hospital.

The problem is that 99% of out of hours calls are not emergencies, but are cases where little Johnny has a bad cough, or the runs. GP's on call out of hours deal with all these small, inconsequential issues.
Imagine how screwed our health system would be if every hypochondriac with a sniffle was calling out an ambulance every night.

Squiggle

I don't mind paying €50 for a GP consultation, given the responsibility of the job. I think getting bloods done with the nurse for €20 is cheap. I do mind paying €65 to the domestic appliance repair guy for calling out to me though, regardless of whether he can or can't fix the washing machine !

Sleepy

Gurgle wrote: »

"Doc, I've got tonsilitus again, can I have a prescription for that Calvepen 666 again?"

"That'll be €12, you can pick it up at reception".

Do I have a better GP?

Certainly a more reasonable one than I've ever encountered... If you're in the Dublin area, I'd appreciate his/her details!

Sarky

Prescription drugs, for tonsilitis? Is this some kind of rare form that spreads to the brain and makes you kill hookers and only gets stronger by feeding off over-the-counter painkillers?

Duggys Housemate

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

they are first response and treat / stabilise the patients only for as long as it takes to hand them over to doctors / specialists in the hospitals to do the work* of fixing the problems and starting recovery.

*I'm not trying in any way to diminish the work they do, just trying to put it in context against what goes on after a patient arrives at the hospital

Yeah, but that is effectively a referral system to the hospital, which is what doctors are too. I suggest giving paramedics powers to dispense pharmaceuticals.

blackwhite wrote: »

90% of real emergencies that require hospital treatment are first seem by paramedics, who simply do their best to stabilise a patient before getting them to a doctor in a hospital.

The problem is that 99% of out of hours calls are not emergencies, but are cases where little Johnny has a bad cough, or the runs. GP's on call out of hours deal with all these small, inconsequential issues.
Imagine how screwed our health system would be if every hypochondriac with a sniffle was calling out an ambulance every night.

Isn't this admitting that the non-emergancies are seen by the most trained people - the doctors, and not the paramedics, or nurses who see the emergencies ? Clearly the GP system is not that essential if we even have the concept of out of hours, what is out of hours for the emergency service?

I would create drop in centres funded by the HSE in all towns to replace private GP offices, open all night. GPs can work there, or nurses with GPs on call for serious stuff, but the real serious stuff would go via paramedics to ambulances anyway.

Maybe instead of replacing GPs with paramedics we need more GPs, but its the same argument - why the concept of out of hours?. I still say being a GP is a lot easier that a hospital doctor, or nurse.

Gurgle

Sleepy wrote: »

If you're in the Dublin area, I'd appreciate his/her details!

Afraid not

uch

My GP is a little Cutie, any red blooded male would gladly pay 50yoyo's for her to examine their balls

Nonoperational

I love the begrudgery every time this comes up. Why don't you go off and become a doctor yourself so and earn the money for doing nothing?

The fact is that it's an absolute **** of a career path until your well well down the road. Added to that a large % of the population wouldn't be able for it academically. You consistently have to be in the top few % of the population in the leaving cert or graduate entry exams. Most people just can't do it. Then that's just the start. Exams, pressure and 80 hour weeks for years and years. To be honest if the money wasn't good after going through all that people would feck off somewhere where the money is better or just wouldn't be able to stick it.

Nothingbetter2d

Gurdy wrote: »

To be fair...differences in the cost of living

Ireland:
http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Ireland

VS

Macedonia:
http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/country_result.jsp?country=Macedonia

irish gp's and dentists been ripping us off for years.

Nothingbetter2d

syndeyfife wrote: »

What are they made out of?! Ivory?

DOes he really need teeth? JEsus 36000 for some back teeth!!!! I'd do without...can you not just blend his food for him....

no not ivory... black rhino horn... its much more rare than the common elephant

thats why he went to macedonia to get them done for €6000

anyways its his money to spend on what he likes.