Leinster Schools Rugby 2012-2013 [Provincial Schools Thread Link in Post 1]

6dsp9

touché fat fosi

6dsp9

FatFosi12 wrote: »

Rotherham Titans to be precise, big Irish connections over there. Shane Cahill from Rock SCT few years back is there and playing very well from what I hear.

as I said great for these lads to get a chance to play the game professionally. Im sure all in terenure,especially quint are very proud of him:D

funtime93

Quint2010 wrote: »

Pretty sure the game's I have seen this year that Brewer has been playing 12 plus he played there for Leinster this season. With O'Neill to come back that's the most potent backline in the competition IMO.

McCarthy,Byrne,Leavy,O'Meara and Kelleher for michaels have the makings of a serious backline aswell.Would love to see these teams collide in the cup.

Gordon Gecko

6dsp9 wrote: »

as I said great for these lads to get a chance to play the game professionally. Im sure all in terenure,especially quint are very proud of him:D

True that, I think we'll see a lot of talented schools players heading to Championship sides in the near future due to the limited size and opportunities in the academies. It certainly hasn't harmed the likes of Michael Keating in terms of exposure.

FatFosi12

Agree with you there Gordon, lot of schools players could benefit from a few years in England then come back to their Irish club when they've developed. Look at Niall Morris, never really got a look in with Leinster and now he's flying high in the match day 23 nearly every week for the Tigers.

goreyguy

Agreed, if you don't make it in the academy, you have to try England.

The academy system is far from a perfect system.

funtime93

FatFosi12 wrote: »

Agree with you there Gordon, lot of schools players could benefit from a few years in England then come back to their Irish club when they've developed. Look at Niall Morris, never really got a look in with Leinster and now he's flying high in the match day 23 nearly every week for the Tigers.

Yeh but that's after a few years in an academy already or playing AIL rugby before they go to England.It's very rare to see players go to England straight from school.

themont85

Shane Monahan at Gloucester and Mick Noone at Leicester are two recent examples of the Championship working wonders for a players.

But don't be fooled, plenty have rejected the chance to go there. The standard is a bit better than AIL, you are in the shop window and you get to be a full time pro but it's a hard old slog and the pay isn't great from what I've heard.

There's been plenty of ex schools big prospects going over there for the past few years, it isn't a new thing.

schools rugby

Will the draw for the Cup be later this year because of the change of format ?

SixtyMoylanus9

FatFosi12 wrote: »

Is it Colin Jones? He was incredible in the cup last year.

Couldn't agree more with that statement. Mesmerizing player.

specttator

Any news on the under age panels?

charles123

Quint2010 wrote: »

Pretty sure the game's I have seen this year that Brewer has been playing 12 plus he played there for Leinster this season. With O'Neill to come back that's the most potent backline in the competition IMO.

thats just such a biased , false statement , think you should take off your nure tinted glasses and give an objective opinion or maybe just refrain from talking about Terenure .

Hagz

He said it's his opinion. Don't like it, pay it no heed. Personally it's easy to agree with him. Stephen O'Neill, Harrison Brewer, Billy Dardis, Tim Schmidt. Those a fairly serious arsenal.

charles123

Hagz wrote: »

He said it's his opinion. Don't like it, pay it no heed. Personally it's easy to agree with him. Stephen O'Neill, Harrison Brewer, Billy Dardis, Tim Schmidt. Those a fairly serious arsenal.

ye but there is a difference between giving an opinion and just talking rubbish , Quint does the latter

charles123

just wondering how I would go about reporting someone's posts , thinking about reporting a certain poster not sure how I go about doing it

Hagz

charles123 wrote: »

just wondering how I would go about reporting someone's posts , thinking about reporting a certain poster not sure how I go about doing it

There's a little sort of stop sign beneath their username. Click it and then give an explanation.

Milkinitlarge6

Jeeze calm down Charles

RuggieBear

charles123 wrote: »

thats just such a biased , false statement , think you should take off your nure tinted glasses and give an objective opinion or maybe just refrain from talking about Terenure .

charles123 wrote: »

ye but there is a difference between giving an opinion and just talking rubbish , Quint does the latter

charles123 wrote: »

just wondering how I would go about reporting someone's posts , thinking about reporting a certain poster not sure how I go about doing it

just back from a ban and this is the quality of your contribution...?

Take some more time off.

Jonhtheking

Any second row talent in the junior cup, that is a position in where leinster are seriously lacking!

yougottagoboy

Jonhtheking wrote: »

Any second row talent in the junior cup, that is a position in where leinster are seriously lacking!

not that I know of in the junior cup but Michaels's current blindside,James Ryan,captained their js to the cup last year and played leinster schools during the summer is a good prospect as a 4th year. Pushing 6ft5

goreyguy

yougottagoboy wrote: »

not that I know of in the junior cup but Michaels's current blindside,James Ryan,captained their js to the cup last year and played leinster schools during the summer is a good prospect as a 4th year. Pushing 6ft5

Hopefully by 6th year he is pushing 6'8.

yougottagoboy

goreyguy wrote: »

Hopefully by 6th year he is pushing 6'8.

you never know with the right nutrition he could grow further,thatd be great. On the subject,IT Carlow have a 2nd row playing 21s from navan who is about 6ft8,bulky and a decent player to boot. Shocked he wasn't in a setup given our need

AhLeaveItOuh

Results from todays senior league QFs -
Gonzaga College SJ 35; Pres. Bray 0,
Castleknock College 22; Kilkenny College 16,
Newbridge College 16; CBC Monkstown 15
Cistercian College Roscrea 23; The King's Hospital 9

Gordon Gecko

AhLeaveItOuh wrote: »

Results from todays senior league QFs -
Gonzaga College SJ 35; Pres. Bray 0,
Castleknock College 22; Kilkenny College 16,
Newbridge College 16; CBC Monkstown 15
Cistercian College Roscrea 23; The King's Hospital 9

Surprised at the Castleknock result a few people had talked them up big and would have expected them to have had a more comfortable victory (based purely on what people have been saying - I've yet to see one of the league schools in action this year)

FatFosi12

Kilkenny are a very dogged side, never say die attitude. Great win for Gonzaga, looking to go one better than last year. CCR have an excellent team and hope they go far. And Knock aren't great this year on form, only beating Wesley narrowly and scraping that one too. I'd hope for a CCR - Gonzaga final in Donnybrook under lights.

themont85

Gordon Gecko wrote: »

Surprised at the Castleknock result a few people had talked them up big and would have expected them to have had a more comfortable victory (based purely on what people have been saying - I've yet to see one of the league schools in action this year)

They won their game.

ormond lad

themont85 wrote: »

They won their game.

Gordan didnt say they lost. All he said was that he was surprised they didnt win more
Anyone at the games?

themont85

ormond lad wrote: »

Gordan didnt say they lost. All he said was that he was surprised they didnt win more
Anyone at the games?

Yea and the implication was cos it was a League school they were facing.

The League is a really competitive competition.

Since 2005 there's been at least one league school in the semis (and Roscrea in a final) barring 2006/2009. If you look at all those League schools records in the league yes they had some big wins but they also had hard fought games in the knockouts winning some by a score.

Plenty of "Big 6" people simply do not understand how competitive it is especially at knock out time. It is a disadvantage imo for the schools involved in terms of the Cup.

TheKeenMachine

I see the senior results have been posted already but Gonzaga Juniors beat Castleknock in the League Semi Finals. Is that a surprise? Castleknock had been talked up a bit IIRC.

FatFosi12

Was at the Gonzaga match with a friend who has a brother on the team. Looked a good side, Pres offered nothing though. Very small side for Pres' usual standards with the exception of their 14 who is a great specimen. Played Leinster 19's this year so I'm told. Great to hear of Gonzaga Juniors and Seniors pushing on in the league, smaller school working hard to build a reputation.

its_phil

themont85 wrote: »

Yea and the implication was cos it was a League school they were facing.

The League is a really competitive competition.

Since 2005 there's been at least one league school in the semis (and Roscrea in a final) barring 2006/2009. If you look at all those League schools records in the league yes they had some big wins but they also had hard fought games in the knockouts winning some by a score.

Plenty of "Big 6" people simply do not understand how competitive it is especially at knock out time. It is a disadvantage imo for the schools involved in terms of the Cup.

But Knock are a league school now

Gordon Gecko

themont85 wrote: »

Yea and the implication was cos it was a League school they were facing.

The League is a really competitive competition.

Since 2005 there's been at least one league school in the semis (and Roscrea in a final) barring 2006/2009. If you look at all those League schools records in the league yes they had some big wins but they also had hard fought games in the knockouts winning some by a score.

Plenty of "Big 6" people simply do not understand how competitive it is especially at knock out time. It is a disadvantage imo for the schools involved in terms of the Cup.

I'm not saying they should have won by more because they were against a league school (Castleknock being a league school themselves having long, long, long ceased to be a "cup" school) I would have thought they would win by more as they have been suggested by some on this thread as being a very strong side this year in the league, whereas Kilkenny comparatively have not.

themont85

its_phil wrote: »

But Knock are a league school now

Where did I say otherwise?

yougottagoboy

anyone know what the league semi final set up is? I think its zaga knock but im not sure

themont85

Gordon Gecko wrote: »

I'm not saying they should have won by more because they were against a league school (Castleknock being a league school themselves having long, long, long ceased to be a "cup" school) I would have thought they would win by more as they have been suggested by some on this thread as being a very strong side this year in the league, whereas Kilkenny comparatively have not.

That wasn't my suggestion. What I said was that strong League schools who have reached the latter stages of the Cup (like Castlekock could) face tough games in the League.

When Kilkenny beat Blackrock well in 2007 they didn't even win the league. When CBC hammered Michaels by 30 points in 2008 they won the league final by just a score and had difficulties in the Quarters and Semis. Look at any of the league schools who have done well and they have had hard league games.

That's the point. Winning by 6 doesn't mean much beyond you've won a knock out game.

RugbyMan10

Kilkenny did scored two late tries after 'knock had subbed a few in fairness. having said that i think Roscrea are firm favourites for the league and imo up there with rock as the chasing pack behind 'Nure and Michaels!
'Zaga v 'Knock
Newbridge v Roscrea
are the semis both to be played next Wednesday at neutral venues i presume.

Quint2010

So what format will the draw for the senior cup be in? Is there only 6 schools not involved in the league that means there has to be 10 spots to be filled from the league so who fills these 10 spots?

yougottagoboy

Quint2010 wrote: »

So what format will the draw for the senior cup be in? Is there only 6 schools not involved in the league that means there has to be 10 spots to be filled from the league so who fills these 10 spots?

8 league quarter finalists Im certain,then plus two other Vinnie muray finalists? Unsure about that part

Gordon Gecko

themont85 wrote: »

That wasn't my suggestion. What I said was that strong League schools who have reached the latter stages of the Cup (like Castlekock could) face tough games in the League.

When Kilkenny beat Blackrock well in 2007 they didn't even win the league. When CBC hammered Michaels by 30 points in 2008 they won the league final by just a score and had difficulties in the Quarters and Semis. Look at any of the league schools who have done well and they have had hard league games.

That's the point. Winning by 6 doesn't mean much beyond you've won a knock out game.

You suggested that I was implying they should have won by more because they were against a league school. That is simply wrong.

Higher

themont85 wrote: »

That wasn't my suggestion. What I said was that strong League schools who have reached the latter stages of the Cup (like Castlekock could) face tough games in the League.

When Kilkenny beat Blackrock well in 2007 they didn't even win the league. When CBC hammered Michaels by 30 points in 2008 they won the league final by just a score and had difficulties in the Quarters and Semis. Look at any of the league schools who have done well and they have had hard league games.

That's the point. Winning by 6 doesn't mean much beyond you've won a knock out game.

In fairness that CBC team was awful. The only difference is Michaels were even worse in 2008. I'm pretty sure Marys (or maybe Terenure??) trashed CBC by 40 points to nil in the next round.

As for the Kilkenny game, well Blackrock should have won that one. If not for a certain Ian Madigan missing the easiest kick in the history of the schools cup.

When I was in school on the rare occassions that we played teams outside the big 6 we systematically trounced them. Ditto for Munster schools cup teams.

Fight_Night

Higher wrote: »

In fairness that CBC team was awful. The only difference is Michaels were even worse in 2008. I'm pretty sure Marys (or maybe Terenure??) trashed CBC by 40 points to nil in the next round.

Think you're mistaken there, although it is a rare occurrence, CBC did have a very strong team that year. Michaels team was average at best though. CBC should have won the cup imo.

Higher

Fight_Night wrote: »

Think you're mistaken there, although it is a rare occurrence, CBC did have a very strong team that year. Michaels team was average at best though. CBC should have won the cup imo.

I could have sworn that they got thrashed in the semi final.

Quint2010

Higher wrote: »

I could have sworn that they got thrashed in the semi final.

Wasn't Terenure if it was 2008. Must have been Mary's or Belvedere.

funtime93

Marys beat that cbc side 22-10 in the semis.That cbc team were many peoples favourites for the cup that year so i dont know how you can say they were awful,although Michaels were particularly poor that year.

schools rugby

funtime93 wrote: »

Marys beat that cbc side 22-10 in the semis.That cbc team were many peoples favourites for the cup that year so i dont know how you can say they were awful,although Michaels were particularly poor that year.

that was a very underrated marys team that year too, cbc were brilliant that year... people have far too much respect for the big 6

RugbyMan10

schools rugby wrote: »

that was a very underrated marys team that year too, cbc were brilliant that year... people have far too much respect for the big 6

was at the final that year Marys were a great team and seriously unlucky not to win it being camped inside belovo's 22 for the last 20 minutes and missing a last minute kick to win it. And CBC were by no means pushovers in the semi

schools rugby

biggest cup upset in last 10 years?

Quint2010

schools rugby wrote: »

biggest cup upset in last 10 years?

Probably Gerrards beating 'Rock in 2010?

yougottagoboy

Quint2010 wrote: »

Probably Gerrards beating 'Rock in 2010?

Gerards beating Terenure before that was pretty big too.

Quint2010

yougottagoboy wrote: »

Gerards beating Terenure before that was pretty big too.

It was but the 'Rock result made the front page of the newspapers!