Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12

Jame Gumb

Samich wrote: »

On the glazers, I think they've been really good owners

From an operational / day to day perspective, I agree with you. They don't seem to interfere (e.g. sign the players they want, appoint a director of football, etc), they do seem to make whatever funds are there available to Fergie and they seem to be good at making money for the club.

However, it's difficult to ignore the LBO mechanism they used to acquire the club and the problems that it's created. Amongst other things, it's restricted our ability to compete with our rivals.

Therefore, on balance, I don't believe that they're good owners. However, as stated in an earlier post, when the debts are eventually paid off, the evidence suggests that they may be good owners at that point.

kryogen

Samich wrote: »

Well City aren't using income to finance their team, they're just spending as much money as they want, pushing up wages.

I don't want Utd to go too far along with City in that sense. I think it's terrible that we've even broken the 200k wage bracket with Rooney getting 220k. 150k is enough I think.

Not surprising Utd are one of the clubs that want a wage cap introduced. It'll be brought in eventually.

Rooney is not getting 220k a week, this has already been disproved countless times, it was even brought up again recently and links were given etc

Only rags claim it to be such a big figure

kryogen

Said it many times, if it was not for how they bought the club they would be the perfect owners, brilliant at brand growth and getting great deals. I can't look past the amount of debt they have heaped on the club and the amount of money taken out to service that or just that they took for themselves.

Paul Tergat

I know theres a ticket thread but this thread gets more attention - do i need to be a united member to buy tickets from the site? The Fulham game is there now to get tickets but all options say its only for members

Mr Alan

I must've missed the proof Rooney ain't getting around £220k a week.

Care to share Kryo?

Mr Alan

I must've missed the proof Rooney ain't getting around £220k a week.

Care to share Kryo?

MagicMarker

Paul Tergat wrote: »

I know theres a ticket thread but this thread gets more attention - do i need to be a united member to buy tickets from the site? The Fulham game is there now to get tickets but all options say its only for members

Kinda just answered your own question there....

Paul Tergat

MagicMarker wrote: »

Kinda just answered your own question there....

Just i saw conflicting post on the utd tickets thread saying they were on general sale....

MagicMarker

Paul Tergat wrote: »

Just i saw conflicting post on the utd tickets thread saying they were on general sale....

By "members only" I assume it means you just have to create an account, you don't have to pay to create an account. But it's been ages since I became a "member", ie, created an account.

Paul Tergat

MagicMarker wrote: »

By "members only" I assume it means you just have to create an account, you don't have to pay to create an account. But it's been ages since I became a "member", ie, created an account.

Nah you see im a 'member' on the sire (one united) and logged in to buy the ticket. Once selected and into the payment bit it wont let me enter details as i dont have the privilege. Maybe just wrong info on the Utd thread and they are still at member application stage

Corvo

Reports on Twitter of an announcement with regards the IPO could happen tonight

MagicMarker

Paul Tergat wrote: »

Nah you see im a 'member' on the sire (one united) and logged in to buy the ticket. Once selected and into the payment bit it wont let me enter details as i dont have the privilege. Maybe just wrong info on the Utd thread and they are still at member application stage

Just tried it there, what a pain in the ass. Looks like you have to pay for a membership but even when I do that it says I'm "attempting to purchase more tickets for a match than your type of membership allows", I'm only trying to buy one!

Total rip off.

Paul Tergat

MagicMarker wrote: »

Just tried it there, what a pain in the ass. Looks like you have to pay for a membership but even when I do that it says I'm "attempting to purchase more tickets for a match than your type of membership allows", I'm only trying to buy one!

Total rip off.

yeah i dont fancy paying £32 for just membership

Thanks for confirming!

POSSY

Just on the whole LBO that seems to be a big kicker for a lot of people in terms of leverage it isn't that much with respect to the value of the club. I cetainly do not believe that it's because of a lack of cash that we don't make massive signings for 30-40m every season, but rather it just isn't Fergie's style to spend in that fashion, and certainly not for older players.

In terms of oldish players, am I right in thinking the big money moves would be Veron and Berba? Can't seem to think of too many others. I mean Rooney, Ferdinand, Nani&Anderson were young when bought. Even going back to breaking the British transfer fee for Keano? It's just not the United style to spend massively on individual players with the exception (in general) of exceptional young talent!

Samich

kryogen wrote: »

Rooney is not getting 220k a week, this has already been disproved countless times, it was even brought up again recently and links were given etc

Only rags claim it to be such a big figure

I reckon he's on 200k+ anyways.

Samich

POSSY wrote: »

Just on the whole LBO that seems to be a big kicker for a lot of people in terms of leverage it isn't that much with respect to the value of the club. I cetainly do not believe that it's because of a lack of cash that we don't make massive signings for 30-40m every season, but rather it just isn't Fergie's style to spend in that fashion, and certainly not for older players.

In terms of oldish players, am I right in thinking the big money moves would be Veron and Berba? Can't seem to think of too many others. I mean Rooney, Ferdinand, Nani&Anderson were young when bought. Even going back to breaking the British transfer fee for Keano? It's just not the United style to spend massively on individual players with the exception (in general) of exceptional young talent!

Yeah, I'm with this too. Fergie just isn't the manager of the club, he cares about the club, which is why I think he has a small, small eye on the finances.

Berba at the time was supposedly the final piece in the jigsaw and that's why he went to buy him and he was always a fan anyways.

POSSY

Samich wrote: »

Yeah, I'm with this too. Fergie just isn't the manager of the club, he cares about the club, which is why I think he has a small, small eye on the finances.

Berba at the time was supposedly the final piece in the jigsaw and that's why he went to buy him and he was always a fan anyways.

Also, I'm not sure about anyone else, but I'm happy that we develop talent and build youth instead of just buying titles (IMO) ala our Russian and Arab friends! :pac:

tallaghtmick

Irish goalie who left United,seems like he has a decent head on his shoulders
http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11667/7950518/Baggies-eye-Irish-keeper

Good luck to him,at least hes leaving for footballing reasons.

Giggsy11

If Rio is banned then we might end up with only 1 fit CB for the start of the season.

Vidic - maybe fit for the start of the season, still not 100% sure.
Smalling - out for 10 weeks.
Evans - Might not be fit for the start
Rio - Might be banned for few games
Jones - Not sure whether he got extended break or injured.

If we end up with only one CB then hopefully Wootton will start than Carrick as we need him in the midfield.

Samich

POSSY wrote: »

Also, I'm not sure about anyone else, but I'm happy that we develop talent and build youth instead of just buying titles (IMO) ala our Russian and Arab friends! :pac:

Well it's good that we're buying some great English talent. I wouldn't mind teams buying players for big money if it was say, Spurs or Arsenal. Their money is got from football (or most anyways). City and Chelsea are using money that was got from non footballing matters.

GSPfan

POSSY wrote: »

Also, I'm not sure about anyone else, but I'm happy that we develop talent and build youth instead of just buying titles (IMO) ala our Russian and Arab friends! :pac:

Wouldnt mind a bit of both at times.

Jame Gumb

POSSY wrote: »

Also, I'm not sure about anyone else, but I'm happy that we develop talent and build youth instead of just buying titles (IMO) ala our Russian and Arab friends!

It's obviously more satisfying to see a product of the youth team (e.g. Paul Scholes) thrive, but it's also vital to have the means to go out and buy the finished article if you don't have it or a work in progress in your squad.

If you look at the current Barcelona team, its core is Barca through and through but they're not adverse to going out and buying a superstar too (e.g. David Villa). With our financial firepower (debt aside), we should be able to compete with anyone in the transfer market. Unfortunately, it appears that we can't at the moment.

I'm also sceptical about Fergie not wanting to spend big on "stars" as from memory he was critical of the club (and Martin Edwards) in particular for not facilitating the signing of guys like Zidane and Desailly many moons ago (pretty sure that's in "Managing My Life").

I suspect that Fergie has just become adept at "cutting his cloth" and that if presented with the wherewithal to sign whoever he wanted, we might see (say) Neymar alongside Rooney and Sneijder / Modric / etc.

"Managing My Life - The Final Years" should make for interesting reading...

J

3hn2givr7mx1sc

£54 million a year apparently. Holy fúck.

Jax Teller

Giggsy11 wrote: »

If Rio is banned then we might end up with only 1 fit CB for the start of the season.

Vidic - maybe fit for the start of the season, still not 100% sure.
Smalling - out for 10 weeks.
Evans - Might not be fit for the start
Rio - Might be banned for few games
Jones - Not sure whether he got extended break or injured.

If we end up with only one CB then hopefully Wootton will start than Carrick as we need him in the midfield.

Doubt he will be banned . Fine at most I'd say .

GSPfan

baz2009 wrote: »

£54 million a year apparently. Holy fúck.

Surely not? Would it be $54million a year?

MagicMarker

That must be why we pulled out of the IPO, Chevrolet are going to pay our debts for us!

Professey Chin

GSPfan wrote: »

Surely not? Would it be $54million a year?

Thatd still be £34 million. Sweet fcuk O_o

Samich

No Bentleys seen in Carrington anymore



Chevrolet actually have some nice cars, this one is particularly nice.

3hn2givr7mx1sc

GSPfan wrote: »

Surely not? Would it be $54million a year?

Most of the well-known United Twitterers ar saying £54million.

MagicMarker

baz2009 wrote: »

Most of the well-known United Twitterers ar saying £54million.

If true, that's almost half a billion euro over 7 years.

GSPfan

Thats just WOW. Makes it more depressing that United have So much debt. Imagine a United without the debt. We could buy Ronaldo back!

Mitch Connor

baz2009 wrote: »

Most of the well-known United Twitterers ar saying £54million.

talk of a 100million 'activation fee' as well.

Would pretty much blow any question marks I had over the deal away - I'd be stunned and delighted if those figures are correct.

Will wait to see if we get more concrete information on it.

Fingers crossed the figures are correct.

EDIT:

Also, the massive values would be somewhat of an explanation as to why the GM guy in charge of the deal was fired.

Samich

We're rich lads :pac:

kryogen

http://www.firstpost.com/business/gm-sacks-global-marketing-chief-over-man-united-deal-396474.html

kryogen

Looking forward to getting some official info on the deal now.

Imagine it will be similar to the AON deal in terms of a large sum of cash up front

Blatter

Mitch Connor wrote: »

talk of a 100million 'activation fee' as well.

Would pretty much blow any question marks I had over the deal away - I'd be stunned and delighted if those figures are correct.

Will wait to see if we get more concrete information on it.

Fingers crossed the figures are correct.

EDIT:

Also, the massive values would be somewhat of an explanation as to why the GM guy in charge of the deal was fired.

Reuters are usually pretty good tbf.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2012/07/30/uk-gm-manu-idUKBRE86T13220120730

MagicMarker

kryogen wrote: »

http://www.firstpost.com/business/gm-sacks-global-marketing-chief-over-man-united-deal-396474.html

That looks like it was about a different sponsorship deal back in May.

MagicMarker

So now we're partly funded by the U.S Government, I wonder if Fergie will get on the phone to Obama, maybe persuade him to direct some of those drones towards Etihad.

kryogen

MagicMarker wrote: »

That looks like it was about a different sponsorship deal back in May.

A source with knowledge of the matter said Ewanick failed to properly report financial details about a recent sponsorship deal between GM’s mass-market Chevrolet brand and the world’s most popular soccer club, Manchester United

As Blatter says, reuters are pretty good in these things tbf

Could be coincidence of course.

GSPfan

AON on the jersey already feels old.

Red Crow

Real Madrid are getting €15-20 Million a season from BWIN and that expires in 2013. I imagine they will get slightly less than us but I'd like to see the comparison. I think currently Liverpool, much less so now, Barcelona, Real Madrid and Bayern Munich are always interesting comparisons.

With a new shirt deal (Nike) on the cards to be re-negotiated I think we will be closer to closing the gap on Europe's elite 3 (Bayern, Real and Barca). With DHL (£10M p/a) + £60~M from the new Chevrolet deal we will be in line to overtake Barcelona on commercial revenue.

Although the weakening Euro could change all that soon. One thing is certain that the club will be well out of debt before 2017 IMO.

event

tupac_healy wrote: »

Me admitting I have not seen him play RECENTLY..... Has no bearing whatsoever on my decision to write him off as a signing in my eyes. I wrote him off as a signing when he left the pitch, humbled by a certain player... I needed to see no more of him to KNOW he is not top drawer. I cannot explain this any clearer, if you still have issue with it then I can repeat myself no longer.

Interesting you bring up issues that have become prevalant, one such issue is members putting words into other members mouths, I never claimed to be an 'expert' on south American footballers nor asia for that matter, and before you reply, consider the debate and quotes in your reply will be taken into context when other members are reading, hence me being implicated as having said such... I.e. clarify if you are making 2 points, 1 a direct conversation with me and 2 a general point

On the first bit in bold:
For all you know he has been playing out of his skin for the last two years and is playing the best football of his career.
Yet you write him off due to one game? Its a good job you're not a scout.

Only the whole second paragraph, no need to get your knickers in a twist, I wasnt talking about yourself, more so the general feeling in the SF

Blatter

tariq panja ‏@tariqpanja
Man Utd announces IPO shares will be priced between $16-$20/share

tariq panja ‏@tariqpanja
MU offering of 16,666,667 Class A Ordinary Shares. Ticker symbol on NYSE will be MANU

Looks like the IPO could be going ahead after all.

Blatter

Reuters Top News ‏@Reuters
Manchester United expects to raise up to $383.33 million through IPO.

Lord TSC

Blatter wrote: »

tariq panja ‏@tariqpanja
Man Utd announces IPO shares will be priced between $16-$20/share

tariq panja ‏@tariqpanja
MU offering of 16,666,667 Class A Ordinary Shares. Ticker symbol on NYSE will be MANU

Looks like the IPO could be going ahead after all.

Will be buying a few then Not day one, but within a few weeks...

Al Capwned

Ok so just a recap of the days events for those just catching up....

• GM announce record deal to be our shirt sponsor - Great news
• IPO is possibly going to go ahead - Great news
• Rio possibly facing a ban for his comments re. A.Cole - Not so great
• Vice Versas are being re-released by Nestlé - Best news of the day!

Kylo Ren

Samich wrote: »

No Bentleys seen in Carrington anymore

Chevrolet actually have some nice cars, this one is particularly nice.

Plus, it's also a Transformer.

MagicMarker

Blatter wrote: »

Reuters Top News ‏@Reuters
Manchester United expects to raise up to $383.33 million through IPO.

I'm not so good with math, what's 383,000,000 + 600,000,000?

niallo27

alproctor wrote: »

Ok so just a recap of the days events for those just catching up....

• GM announce record deal to be our shirt sponsor - Great news
• IPO is possibly going to go ahead - Great news
• Rio possibly facing a ban for his comments re. A.Cole - Not so great
• Vice Versas are being re-released by Nestlé - Best news of the day!

Have you a source for this or is it just more paper bull****.

GSPfan

What is going on today! Is that a potential billion made in one day.