Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12

kryogen

Melion wrote: »

Its been obvious for years that United need some steel in central midfield, someone like Mascherano when he was at Liverpool. Just in there to break up the play, win the ball and give it to the better "footballer" i.e Alonso.

Kagawa obviously wont provide that kind of player, Anderson, Scholes and Carrick never will so are United just relying on Cleverley. I think signing Modric would be pointless

Cleverley does not seem to be that kind of player anyway, Carrick is fulfilling that role for us at the moment, but could obviously be improved upon and let him play the role that he does do best, the Xabi Alonso role

Melion

alproctor wrote: »

Not at all..... He is a quality footballer, and would be a definite positive addition to the squad.

For 25m+ he would be a good addition but a far stretch from what United actually need. That money would be much better spent on an actual DM "destroyer"

Melion

kryogen wrote: »

Cleverley does not seem to be that kind of player anyway, Carrick is fulfilling that role for us at the moment, but could obviously be improved upon and let him play the role that he does do best, the Xabi Alonso role

From the outside looking in, he doesnt have the legs for that role.

Mitch Connor

I'd be delighted with either Strootman or Modric signed, partnering Carrick, supporting Kagawa, in a midfield 3. Both are very different players, and would change the role of Carrick, but either would be very good signings and combat the issues we have, just from a different direction.

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Carrick--XXX
Valencia-Kagawa--Nani

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Rooney

Either player would fit into that space - and change how we approach the game.

kryogen

Melion wrote: »

From the outside looking in, he doesnt have the legs for that role.

The Xabi Alonso role? Or the break up of opponents play?

He has actually always looked at his best when he takes the ball on the move and acts quickly, something we see nowhere near enough unfortunately.

Very good season last season though.

Adolf Hipster

Orando Broom wrote: »

I'd be grateful for the mods and posters opinion on this.

Cool, in my opinion you are being very hypocritic about this part of your post

Orando Broom wrote: »

The 'stupid post' 'tedious post' type replies should be infracted in my opinion. I think that is abuse. It is confrotational and abusive. You would never say that to a person on the street or in your office without you being regarded as an overly aggressive person. Why should it be any different on here.

Considering you yourself have made several of these types of posts such as

Orando Broom wrote: »

Absolutely not an acceptable contrast, a retarded contrast. A moronic extreme that has no relevance to the debate. There can be a middle ground. Unusual here on these boards but sure there you have it.

Sing or fight. Welcome to boards soccer. :rolleyes:

Orando Broom wrote: »

A dumb, retarded post. Really and truly. Does every opinion have to be extreme? can the fans not just stand there applaud off our tries and trudge home having seen their team well and truly hosed.

Why would you advocate violence? Answer me that.

Orando Broom wrote: »

Alluded to nothing. I spoke only of performance not of result. Pleasse cite any proof against that. A stupid assertion attempting to back up a retarded post.

The Champions League is a the benchmark. To say otherwise is idiotic. Six games there is more important that the six games agaisnt City, United and Chelsea. The French League is still a technically proficent league as is the Eridivise. those players mentioned would be improved by playing in Champions League standard teams there than being relegated playing bollixball for Wolves or in the Championship. It is not a silly point, but you know that, don't you .

Orando Broom wrote: »

WTF are you ****eing on about??? I never mentioned points tally, someone else did. United were eight points clear. Win tow games and they win the league, straigh Fúcking forward!!!! Please read the feckin' posts, PLEASE!!!!!

Jesus, this forum can be so utterly retarded at times.

And then calling out Pro.F for doing the same, I take it you yourself will admit you were strutting around like a little banter cock when you were saying other peoples posts were retarded??

Orando Broom wrote:

Good post I doff my cap to your fastidious defence of Rooney! That is genuinely an exceptional riposte and I stand corrected on the facts.

Now isn't easier* to debate with facts and points as opposed to e-strutting around like a little banter cock calling people retarded.


*maybe not easier seeing as you had to watch that ****e again but you get the drift.

Melion

kryogen wrote: »

The Xabi Alonso role? Or the break up of opponents play?

He has actually always looked at his best when he takes the ball on the move and acts quickly, something we see nowhere near enough unfortunately.

Very good season last season though.

Sorry, breaking up play. He has never looked like he would be able to play that kind of role.

kryogen

Melion wrote: »

Sorry, breaking up play. He has never looked like he would be able to play that kind of role.

It is not what he is best at, but he has been the best we have had to do it last season

In fairness to him he did pretty well at it in most games, you can see his limitations when he comes up against real quality.

Melion

kryogen wrote: »

Melion wrote: »

Sorry, breaking up play. He has never looked like he would be able to play that kind of role.

It is not what he is best at, but he has been the best we have had to do it last season

In fairness to him he did pretty well at it in most games, you can see his limitations when he comes up against real quality.

That's what I mean, signing someone to play that role is more important than signing Modric.

kryogen

Melion wrote: »

That's what I mean, signing someone to play that role is more important than signing Modric.

Oh I agree 100%

Kylo Ren

The only way we are getting Modric is if we are the only ones in for him. If Chelsea and/or Madrid are after him, we cannot compete. Chelsea will pay more wages, agent's fees etc while being in London is also a plus. Madrid speaks for itself.

TheDoc

I think having a midfield marshall is a dying breed.

Look at how Van Bommel and Da Jong did, two pretty decent midfield generals. It is a waste of a players spot imo.

I see alot more calls for Strootman now in wishlists and teams, people have been youtubing I see He didnt play a minute of the Euros so his price won't have been touched,

If the Modric thing doesn't come to light, he wouldn't be a bad punt. Young, energetic, clever on the ball with good vision, box to box midfielder and hits like a truck.

Henry Winter was talking about him again during the week during the dutch game " How do you leave the orange Roy Keane on the bench for three loses? #oranjekeane"

kryogen

Don't think it is a waste of a players spot myself, specific types maybe, but not the defensive minded midfielder, having a midfielder to break up play and start attacks is very important imo.

Busquets for Barca being the best in the world at it at the moment to me, there are others, Khedira, Javi Martinez, De Rossi (he gets forward alot also) and so on, it is a very important position I think, particularly for a team who plays with attacking wingers

Felexicon

TheDoc wrote: »

I think having a midfield marshall is a dying breed.

Look at how Van Bommel and Da Jong did, two pretty decent midfield generals. It is a waste of a players spot imo.

I see alot more calls for Strootman now in wishlists and teams, people have been youtubing I see He didnt play a minute of the Euros so his price won't have been touched,

If the Modric thing doesn't come to light, he wouldn't be a bad punt. Young, energetic, clever on the ball with good vision, box to box midfielder and hits like a truck.

Henry Winter was talking about him again during the week during the dutch game " How do you leave the orange Roy Keane on the bench for three loses? #oranjekeane"

Thought you were talking about Ashley Young there for a second.

Read it as, Young: energetic, clever on the ball with good vision, box to box midfielder and hits like a truck.

bOYZ nOIZE

TheDoc

Felexicon wrote: »

Thought you were talking about Ashley Young there for a second.

Read it as, Young: energetic, clever on the ball with good vision, box to box midfielder and hits like a truck.

bOYZ nOIZE

Lol,

Strootman loves the noize

adox

The thing is, if we do sign the likes of Modric, we will be in possession of the ball a lot longer than is currently happening.

We give the ball away quite easily with our current players and hand possession to the opposition quite frequently. Sure we could do with more steel in midfield but I also believe that need is exaggerated by our lack of holding on to possession. Someone like Modric, who can potentially control the tempo of the game would make the need for "an enforcer " less apparent imo. With Kagawa slightly ahead of him even more so.

I`m not dismissing the need for someone who can win the ball and cover the yards but I do think it may not be as important as we think.

Samich

keane2097 wrote: »

A soapbox is a raised platform on which one stands to make an impromptu speech, often about a political subject. The term originates from the days when speakers would elevate themselves by standing on a wooden crate originally used for shipment of soap or other dry goods from a manufacturer to a retail store.

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IvySlayer

Keno 92 wrote: »

The only way we are getting Modric is if we are the only ones in for him. If Chelsea and/or Madrid are after him, we cannot compete. Chelsea will pay more wages, agent's fees etc while being in London is also a plus. Madrid speaks for itself.

Levy won't let Modric go to Chelsea.

Kylo Ren

IvySlayer wrote: »

Levy won't let Modric go to Chelsea.

Money talks. But we will see.

Felexicon

Keno 92 wrote: »

Money talks. But we will see.

Yeah, I think he had Champions League football to offer Modric last season that he won't now so if Chelsea come calling again he may not have a choice but to bow to Modrics demands

keane2097

Samich wrote: »

A soapbox is a raised platform on which one stands to make an impromptu speech, often about a political subject. The term originates from the days when speakers would elevate themselves by standing on a wooden crate originally used for shipment of soap or other dry goods from a manufacturer to a retail store.

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Oh dear, you seem to be bad at the internet, how embarrassing.

Soapboxing
to speak AT an audience (1) instead of WITH them; (2) instead of engaging in a dialogue whereby corresponding 'sourceable' facts and verifiable observations are exchanged in a spirit of respect for objective truth.
"He's just soapboxing because he just ignores the points you make and responds with subjective personal opinion."

Samich

keane2097 wrote: »

Oh dear, you seem to be bad at the internet, how embarrassing.

Are you referencing urban dictionary?

keane2097

Samich wrote: »

Are you referencing urban dictionary?

Nope. You should probably google what "referencing" means as well.

HTH

Felexicon

Samich wrote: »

Are you referencing urban dictionary?

Here man what the hell is your problem. Between here and the feedback thread you've been doing nothing but give out for the last 2 days and it's starting to wear very thin now.
I suggest you turn off your computer and go for a walk outside or something. As I said last night, maybe open forums are not the place for you

The_Kew_Tour

Remember the good old days when when you would just talk about anything Manchester United.

keane2097

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Remember the good old days when when you would just talk about anything Manchester United.

I'm pretty confident this was never the case.

The_Kew_Tour

keane2097 wrote: »

I'm pretty confident this was never the case.

I rather talk about Rooneys hair then some the **** the last few pages have produced.

It seems its just people looking to score points and get thanks. ****ing crap.

No wonder people dont want contribute in here no more.

Kylo Ren

It's hard to talk football when there is not a lot to talk about. Pre season will fix a lot of this and bridge the gap to the PL starting again.

The_Kew_Tour

Keno 92 wrote: »

It's hard to talk football when there is not a lot to talk about. Pre season will fix a lot of this and bridge the gap to the PL starting again.

The sooner the better. As much as it crap most of it, its sure better then reading the utter trash from today.

IncognitoMan

On the whole chelsea blowing us out of the water for modric.

When will we see teams actually have to think about the financial fair play.

I know they would have got a sizeable amount for the champions league win but the have spent 50mil on torres, 24mil on luiz, 18mil on lukaku, 24mil on mata, 30 odd mil on hazard. Did the hulk deal go through? that Id imagine would be another 30 odd mil. all in the last 18 months.

This cannot be in keeping with the fair play rules. Are these transfers going to be taken into account?

TheTownie

Apparently (Goes without saying, this story is has no real foundation)

According to reports Manchester United are set to land Lazio youngster Daniel Cataldi.

Cataldi is an attacking midfielder who has represented his country at Under-18 level.

kryogen

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

The sooner the better. As much as it crap most of it, its sure better then reading the utter trash from today.

Ouch

man I thought I had a couple of decent posts today

The_Kew_Tour

kryogen wrote: »

Ouch

man I thought I had a couple of decent posts today

Not go at you.

You know the ones im on about;)

Its grand for few posts, but then again the school holidays have begun so should have known.

lordgoat

TheTownie wrote: »

Apparently (Goes without saying, this story is has no real foundation)

Apparently the player has said he'd like to stay at Lazio and hopes a deal can be sorted. Agent talk i reckon.

Samich

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Not go at you.

You know the ones im on about;)

Its grand for few posts, but then again the school holidays have begun so should have known.

G.K is a good poster.

homerjay2005

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Remember the good old days when when you would just talk about anything Manchester United.

unfortunately this place is more about mickey waving and after hours style posting than united.

kryogen

homerjay2005 wrote: »

unfortunately this place is more about mickey waving and after hours style posting than united.

imho this thread in particular never really changes, the only difference is you see less of Mr. Alan these days.

Its a summer where there is nothing happening cause of an international tournament, always gonna be a load of ****e in the thread then, doesnt actually change that much during the season either if we are honest.

The ignore button is dead handy though, has made the place alot better for me anyway

I'm struggling to figure out what formation we'll play next season with our current players, we seem to be very top heavy. So maybe 4-1-3-2? I think Germany played it... Though I think Carrick may struggle in that role, so maybe Anderson (with a good run of no injuries behind him) would work it better?




4-1-3-2

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De Gea

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Rafael

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Smalling

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Vidic

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Evra

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Carrick/Anderson

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Valencia

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Kagawa

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Nani

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Rooney

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Welbeck

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Or maybe 4-2-3-1?

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De Gea

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Rafael

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Smalling

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Vidic

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Evra

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Carrick/Anderson--Cleverly

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Valencia

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Kagawa

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Nani

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Rooney

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What do ye think?

Kylo Ren

4-1-3-2 would leave us way too exposed, especially with just Carrick at tge helm. Far too attacking IMO. I've said it plenty of times, as have plenty of others, 4-2-3-1 seems to be our new formation.

kryogen

It has to be 4231 unless Fergie is going to act the bollix and shove Kag on the left of midfield, or try to convert him to a central midfielder.

I can see Kag playing from the left at times in a 4231 when Rooney plays behind the striker, either Welbeck or Hernandez, wouldnt think that will happen too much really, maybe if we are chasing a game or something.

kryogen

Keno 92 wrote: »

4-1-3-2 would leave us way too exposed, especially with just Carrick at tge helm. Far too attacking IMO. I've said it plenty of times, as have plenty of others, 4-2-3-1 seems to be our new formation.

To be fair, we have kinda been playing a 4231 alot the last couple of seasons, alot of the time Rooney was playing in the hole behind Welbeck, Scholes and Carrick as the deeper players etc

You could either call it a 4411 or a 4231 if you like, to me it looked more like a 4231 a lot of the time cause the wingers do really try to push on as much as possible.

Keno 92

Keno 92 wrote: »

4-1-3-2 would leave us way too exposed, especially with just Carrick at tge helm. Far too attacking IMO. I've said it plenty of times, as have plenty of others, 4-2-3-1 seems to be our new formation.

Yeah I think you might be right, but I hate the thought of Rooney up front on his own. I would love to see Rooney and Welbeck up front with Kagawa behind them.

I think we have so many players that can play pretty much all the positions up front, we could wreak havoc up front with Nani, Young, Rooney, Kagawa and Welbeck constantly swapping around. I wish Valencia could play the left as effectively as he can the right. I'm also worried Kagawa may have been signed for rotation as a winger.

kryogen

kryogen wrote: »

It has to be 4231 unless Fergie is going to act the bollix and shove Kag on the left of midfield, or try to convert him to a central midfielder.

I can see Kag playing from the left at times in a 4231 when Rooney plays behind the striker, either Welbeck or Hernandez, wouldnt think that will happen too much really, maybe if we are chasing a game or something.

I'm worried about that possibility. I really doubt he'd try him central midfield though.

Kylo Ren

kryogen wrote: »

To be fair, we have kinda been playing a 4231 alot the last couple of seasons, alot of the time Rooney was playing in the hole behind Welbeck, Scholes and Carrick as the deeper players etc

You could either call it a 4411 or a 4231 if you like, to me it looked more like a 4231 a lot of the time cause the wingers do really try to push on as much as possible.

Yeah you're right in saying we have been playing it but Rooney was a bit of a hybrid of a player. With Kagawa it will be a more true 4-2-3-1.

What I hope for:



What I fear:



Ignore De Gea's Jersey :P

nicklauski

homerjay2005 wrote: »

unfortunately this place is more about mickey waving

I don't mind mickey waving, it's that donald lad you want to watch out for.



Jesus bring back the football

nicklauski

Just on posters worrying about Rooney been stuck up top on his own if United go 4-2-3-1,
There is a lot of fluidity in that front 4 (assuming SAF goes Val-Kag-Nani) so even if Rooney drops deep, or stays up top, he will have runners coming from all angles (hopefully).

The days of the standard 4-4-2 seem to be on the way out, and I think the signing of Kagawa signals that United are changing with the times.

Fenix

I think he will definitely go 4-2-3-1 in Europe and the big away games, however the likelihood of Kagawa being played in a similar way to Modric plays at the minute for Spurs is high imo. Don't really want this to be honest, feel he would be utilised much better further forward.

kryogen

He and Kag could swap positions throughout the game I think, Kag could do a job as a false number 9 also I think.

I love the idea of Rooney, Kag, Val and Nani, or Rooney, Kag Nani and Young, add Welbeck in at times too and that is a seriously fluid front four

kryogen

kryogen wrote: »

He and Kag could swap positions throughout the game I think, Kag could do a job as a false number 9 also I think.

I love the idea of Rooney, Kag, Val and Nani, or Rooney, Kag Nani and Young, add Welbeck in at times too and that is a seriously fluid front four

Also if Anderson and Cleverley manage to get a good run of no injuries we aren't as weak in midfield as I first thought. Anderson has been really bad for injuries though....