Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12

Al Capwned

Mars Bar wrote: »

Reports on Twitter that Amos was seriously injured in a game with Hull

Ah ffs, wasn't that only confirmed today - his first game????

Mars Bar

alproctor wrote: »

Ah ffs, wasn't that only confirmed today - his first game????

2nd game. It was common knowledge that he was moving there on loan. He went on a training camp with them before going on tour with us.

Al Capwned

Mars Bar wrote: »

2nd game. It was common knowledge that he was moving there on loan. He went on a training camp with them before going on tour with us.

Ah yeah, know that.. How unlucky can he be - as soon as he gets a chance to play regularly. Anything official anywhere yet?

Pro. F

PHB wrote: »

Mod Note:

The next time this thread goes that far off topic, when the subject is no longer football but the thread itself, the first five posters who are involved in that will be banned from the thread for a week.

If you think someone is back seat modding, report it. If you say it to anyone, you will be getting an infraction.

To put this more clearer, could everyone stop being a dick? The season is about to start. I'd like to read about actual football.

Just to be clear, does this involve any discussion about the thread itself? So discussion about cliques, who said what, posting habits of posters, fans of which clubs post here, etc, etc, would all be off limits?

PHB

If the posting is good natured, I don't really care. If its bad natured, I will come down like a ton of bricks on people. That'll be purely based on the perceived intent.

Cantona's Collars

Borrowed from SlickRick in YLYL.

double GG

Almost got sick reading the bitching on the last 10 pages, but hey 18 days till the PL starts again.

tupac_healy

Man.UnitedLad wrote: »

Never mind yesterday, this was the blackest day in the clubs history!

.....

Mars Bar

alproctor wrote: »

Ah yeah, know that.. How unlucky can he be - as soon as he gets a chance to play regularly. Anything official anywhere yet?

Nothing official yet.

Stewart Gardner (United journo) retweeted the following:

John de Loos ‏@dilynux

#Loanwatch: Ben Amos seems seriously injured as he's stretchered of the pitch. This was only his 2nd pre-season game for Hull City

He left in a neck brace but just saw this come up on my feed

David Burns ‏@bbcburnsy

Ben Amos ok says Steve Bruce.#hcafc

Hopefully the neck brace was just precautionary.

I hope this is the proper official Hull City Twitter

Hull City Official ‏@hullcityteam

...while Ben Amos has been given the ok after his head injury. Was up and walking around the dressing room after the game #goodnews #hcafc

Mr.Crinklewood

Twitter says that Amos is ok, and was walking around the dressing room after the game. ( hopefully this has not made him dizzy )

Pro. F

PHB wrote: »

If the posting is good natured, I don't really care. If its bad natured, I will come down like a ton of bricks on people. That'll be purely based on the perceived intent.

That sounds fair. It just seemed like you were saying you would ban the first five posters involved in the discussion going off topic onto discussing the thread itself, regardless of how reasonable their individual contributions might have been. If that's not the case, cool.

tupac_healy

Out of interest, who do people think is the signing of the summer so far? Say Premiership and overall?

For me, in the Premiership, I am excited by Kagawa but I have a feeling Hazard will prove to be a superstar for Chelsea

Overall signing so far, I think Ibrahimovic could put PSG on the map as a major player in the Champions League so I'll go with him

Fenix

tupac_healy wrote: »

Out of interest, who do people think is the signing of the summer so far? Say Premiership and overall?

For me, in the Premiership, I am excited by Kagawa but I have a feeling Hazard will prove to be a superstar for Chelsea

Overall signing so far, I think Ibrahimovic could put PSG on the map as a major player in the Champions League so I'll go with him

Agree Kagawa will be a massive signing for us, but i think Thiago Silva was a better signing than Ibra!

Jame Gumb

It hasn't happened (yet), but Modric to Real Madrid for me.

I think that he's one of the few guys out there who can operate at the same level as Xavi and Iniesta.

He'll be massive for Real.

tupac_healy

Jame Gumb wrote: »

It hasn't happened (yet), but Modric to Real Madrid for me.

I think that he's one of the few guys out there who can operate at the same level as Xavi and Iniesta.

He'll be massive for Real.

I can't see where he is going to play for them? I mean let's say for arguments sake edge is being brought in as a replacement for kaka, which has been mooted about, kaka did not start for them....

I don't see him starting ahead of ozil, alonso or Sami khadeira (excuse spelling!!!)

tupac_healy

Fenix wrote: »

tupac_healy wrote: »

Out of interest, who do people think is the signing of the summer so far? Say Premiership and overall?

For me, in the Premiership, I am excited by Kagawa but I have a feeling Hazard will prove to be a superstar for Chelsea

Overall signing so far, I think Ibrahimovic could put PSG on the map as a major player in the Champions League so I'll go with him

Agree Kagawa will be a massive signing for us, but i think Thiago Silva was a better signing than Ibra!

I think silva is a more important signing for them, he is rock solid, but I think in ibra they have the marquee name they needed to go to the next level

Mitch Connor

tupac_healy wrote: »

I can't see where he is going to play for them? I mean let's say for arguments sake edge is being brought in as a replacement for kaka, which has been mooted about, kaka did not start for them....

I don't see him starting ahead of ozil, alonso or Sami khadeira (excuse spelling!!!)

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Benzema
Ronaldo-Ozil-Di Maria
----Modric-Alonso

POSSY

Mr.Crinklewood wrote: »

Rafael appears as Brazilian mascot v. GB.

That is ****ing brilliant! So there is a third one... please Lord no third Jedward.. just sweet jesus no third Jedward

tupac_healy

Fenix wrote: »

tupac_healy wrote: »

Out of interest, who do people think is the signing of the summer so far? Say Premiership and overall?

For me, in the Premiership, I am excited by Kagawa but I have a feeling Hazard will prove to be a superstar for Chelsea

Overall signing so far, I think Ibrahimovic could put PSG on the map as a major player in the Champions League so I'll go with him

Agree Kagawa will be a massive signing for us, but i think Thiago Silva was a better signing than Ibra!

I think silva is a more important signing for them, he is rock solid, but I think in ibra they have the marquee name they needed to go to the next level

Jame Gumb

tupac_healy wrote: »

Jame Gumb wrote: »

It hasn't happened (yet), but Modric to Real Madrid for me.

I think that he's one of the few guys out there who can operate at the same level as Xavi and Iniesta.

He'll be massive for Real.

I can't see where he is going to play for them? I mean let's say for arguments sake edge is being brought in as a replacement for kaka, which has been mooted about, kaka did not start for them....

I don't see him starting ahead of ozil, alonso or Sami khadeira (excuse spelling!!!)

Probably take Khedira's place I'd imagine.

Donnielighto

Just on the point of best transfer dealings. What window were people happiest about at the time and what window were ye happiest about looking back?

tupac_healy

Donnielighto wrote: »

Just on the point of best transfer dealings. What window were people happiest about at the time and what window were ye happiest about looking back?

Happiest at the time, would have to be the veron window, at the time he was a real talent an I was delighted to hear we had signed him, pity it didn't pan out as hoped..

Happiest with, well got to be the window we got ronnie!!!

Jax Teller

Mitch Connor wrote: »

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Benzema
Ronaldo-Ozil-Di Maria
----Modric-Alonso

This , maybe bring in Khedira for the bigger games .

Jame Gumb

Rumours today that Real are annoyed at Spurs' £40m valuation and that they're looking to re-sign our old friend Wesley from Inter...

I'd be a happy bunny if we ended up signing Modric and Fellaini...two chances though by the looks it it...

tupac_healy

Coletrickle88 wrote: »

This , maybe bring in Khedira for the bigger games .

I can't see the player himself being happy about this!!

Also, this implys that Khedira is a better player? Would people agree with this?


I'm asking because I don't see the need for Modric in the Madrid midfield, I don't think he can offer anything above what they have already

Blatter

tupac_healy wrote: »

I can't see the player himself being happy about this!!

Also, this implys that Khedira is a better player? Would people agree with this?


I'm asking because I don't see the need for Modric in the Madrid midfield, I don't think he can offer anything above what they have already

I assume he's implying that Khedira is better defensively than Modric, which is true.

As for whether they need him or not, I think all teams could do with Modric in their squad, he's such a unique midfielder that offers something different in comparison to most midfielders.

Donnielighto

tupac_healy wrote: »

Donnielighto wrote: »

Just on the point of best transfer dealings. What window were people happiest about at the time and what window were ye happiest about looking back?

Happiest at the time, would have to be the veron window, at the time he was a real talent an I was delighted to hear we had signed him, pity it didn't pan out as hoped..

Happiest with, well got to be the window we got ronnie!!!

I was very happy last season. Think the vidic evra park window was the best though.

DM_7

United have had some mad up and down transfer window's (hope i have my times right below)

Veron and Ruud arrived but Stam left at the same time.

The Hargreaves, Tevez, Nani, Anderson window was amazing in 2007/08 - but considering how Hargeaves and Tevez left it was an initial success but not long term. Ole retired that year

Last summer should prove to be big one in years to come regarding who came in but a lot of experience went out.

Ronaldo arrived but Djemba Djemba - Kleberson - Tim Howard - Bellion also joined while Beckham and Veron left :mad:

We once signed Rooney, Rossi and Pique in the same summer. Imagine how well that could have turned out for the club!! (Heinze and Alan smith also arrived)

double GG

Jame Gumb wrote: »

It hasn't happened (yet), but Modric to Real Madrid for me.

I think that he's one of the few guys out there who can operate at the same level as Xavi and Iniesta.

He'll be massive for Real.

Are you actually serious? Modric at similar levels to Xavi and Iniesta?

Modric is nowhere near as good as either of them. Xabi Alonso and Khedira will start ahead of Modric at Real easily. I have no idea how Modric is being talked about so highly. Yes he's a good player, yes he can pass. Where was he when Spurs lost those few games on the trot? Where was he when Spurs needed him most? Nowhere.

I'd take Busquets over Modric to be honest.

Jame Gumb

double GG wrote: »

Jame Gumb wrote: »

It hasn't happened (yet), but Modric to Real Madrid for me.

I think that he's one of the few guys out there who can operate at the same level as Xavi and Iniesta.

He'll be massive for Real.

Are you actually serious? Modric at similar levels to Xavi and Iniesta?

Modric is nowhere near as good as either of them. Xabi Alonso and Khedira will start ahead of Modric at Real easily. I have no idea how Modric is being talked about so highly. Yes he's a good player, yes he can pass. Where was he when Spurs lost those few games on the trot? Where was he when Spurs needed him most? Nowhere.

I'd take Busquets over Modric to be honest.

I thought that he looked the part in the Spain vs Croatia game during the Euro...

I thInk that he's a fabulous player.

double GG

Jame Gumb wrote: »

I thought that he looked the part in the Spain vs Croatia game during the Euro...

I thInk that he's a fabulous player.

Still will never be anywhere near Xavi or Iniesta's level. Not many have,not many will.

tupac_healy

double GG wrote: »

Are you actually serious? Modric at similar levels to Xavi and Iniesta?

Modric is nowhere near as good as either of them. Xabi Alonso and Khedira will start ahead of Modric at Real easily. I have no idea how Modric is being talked about so highly. Yes he's a good player, yes he can pass. Where was he when Spurs lost those few games on the trot? Where was he when Spurs needed him most? Nowhere.

I'd take Busquets over Modric to be honest.

I simply can't agree with this more!

I don't see Modric in the same league as those guys, I don't even see him moving Khedira to be honest, because as mentioned Khedira a better defender and that is his role in the team, take that out and you loose a lot!!!

Jame Gumb

Modric seems to divide opinion.

Some people think that he's class (me included).

Others think that he's overrated.

Interesting.

Night Folks anyways.

Kylo Ren

I think he's over rated, but sure who isn't really.

Xavi and Iniesta are on another level to Modric along with nearly every footballer!

homerjay2005

i think Modric is a decent player, worth about 15-18million max. a 30million pound + midfielder should be banging in 10-15 goals a season, have 10+ assists and be able to dictate big games all season long. and he should stand out on games, not go missing.

Modric is none of the above. good player, but limited and over rated IMO.

Al Capwned

double GG wrote: »

Are you actually serious? Modric at similar levels to Xavi and Iniesta?

Modric is nowhere near as good as either of them. Xabi Alonso and Khedira will start ahead of Modric at Real easily. I have no idea how Modric is being talked about so highly. Yes he's a good player, yes he can pass. Where was he when Spurs lost those few games on the trot? Where was he when Spurs needed him most? Nowhere.

I'd take Busquets over Modric to be honest.

Ooooh, Busquets in a United team - droolworthy!!!!

homerjay2005

alproctor wrote: »

Busquets-

the most underrated player in the world

smashing player, part of the hate for him is bitterness, cos he is a bit of a pup, but he is the best player in his position IMO and he has the medals to back up his class.

Blatter

homerjay2005 wrote: »

i think Modric is a decent player, worth about 15-18million max. a 30million pound + midfielder should be banging in 10-15 goals a season, have 10+ assists and be able to dictate big games all season long. and he should stand out on games, not go missing.

Modric is none of the above. good player, but limited and over rated IMO.

Iniesta was named as the second best player in the world in 2010 despite only scoring one goal and assisting a handful for Barca in 2009/10. Even this Summer he won POTT at the Euros despite only one assist and no goals.

I'm not saying Modric is at Iniesta's level, but he is of a similar ilk and his goal/assist ratio are just not that important. He is a fabulous player and makes Spurs/Croatia tick.

Kylo Ren

homerjay2005 wrote: »

the most underrated player in the world

smashing player, part of the hate for him is bitterness, cos he is a bit of a pup, but he is the best player in his position IMO and he has the medals to back up his class.

He's underrated by people who don't watch him play and are blinded by hate.

I do have ill feelings towards him but I recognize his quality.

yabadabado

homerjay2005 wrote: »

the most underrated player in the world

smashing player, part of the hate for him is bitterness, cos he is a bit of a pup, but he is the best player in his position IMO and he has the medals to back up his class.

brilliant player but its hard to like him.he acts the dick too much.Saying that would love to see him at United.

tupac_healy

Blatter wrote: »

Iniesta was named as the second best player in the world in 2010 despite only scoring one goal and assisting a handful for Barca in 2009/10. Even this Summer he won POTT at the Euros despite only one assist and no goals.

I'm not saying Modric is at Iniesta's level, but he is of a similar ilk and his goal/assist ratio are just not that important. He is a fabulous player and makes Spurs/Croatia tick.

Modric has yet to score & settle a World Cup final!!!

tupac_healy

yabadabado wrote: »

brilliant player but its hard to like him.he acts the dick too much.Saying that would love to see him at United.

So, if Utd had the oppertunity to take Busquets or Martinez, who would people choose?

Javi Martinez for me, he just oozes quality

Blatter

tupac_healy wrote: »

Modric has yet to score & settle a World Cup final!!!

Iniesta has yet to show he can do it in the Premier League :pac:

Pro. F

double GG wrote: »

I have no idea how Modric is being talked about so highly. Yes he's a good player, yes he can pass. Where was he when Spurs lost those few games on the trot? Where was he when Spurs needed him most? Nowhere.

That is not a sensible criticism of Modric.

carlop

tupac_healy wrote: »

So, if Utd had the oppertunity to take Busquets or Martinez, who would people choose?

Javi Martinez for me, he just oozes quality

Busquets. Martinez is a great talent and arguably more of an all-rounder, but for me Busquets is one of the top 5 midfielders in the world.

double GG

Pro. F wrote: »

That is not a sensible criticism of Modric.

I meant it that since he's such a fantastic player, he surely should have been the one trying to dig them out of the hole. To stand up and be counted, I watched some of these games. He wasn't great at all. Neither were any of the Spurs players but for a 30+ million rated player you'd expect a little extra oomph. He didn't bring it. Modric tends to shy away when the going gets tough.

double GG

carlop wrote: »

Busquets. Martinez is a great talent and arguably more of an all-rounder, but for me Busquets is one of the top 5 midfielders in the world.

Best Defensive midfielder in the world for me. He has everything in his locker. Vision, Awareness, Technical ability and most importantly a football brain. He can play CB also. Fantastic player.

Pro. F

double GG wrote: »

I meant it that since he's such a fantastic player, he surely should have been the one trying to dig them out of the hole. To stand up and be counted, I watched some of these games. He wasn't great at all. Neither were any of the Spurs players but for a 30+ million rated player you'd expect a little extra oomph. He didn't bring it. Modric tends to shy away when the going gets tough.

I haven't seen any particular signs that Modric shies away when the going gets tough. Those few games with a relatively poor team that was having managerial problems wouldn't convince me of any character deficits on Modric's part anyway.

bernardamaac.

homerjay2005 wrote: »

the most underrated player in the world

smashing player, part of the hate for him is bitterness, cos he is a bit of a pup, but he is the best player in his position IMO and he has the medals to back up his class.

You've got to be taking the pi$$..Id take cheik tiote,parker or even dembele over him he's terrible.Hes worse than carrick.He sits behind xavi iniesta and marks the other teams forward...Never once seen him make a good pass or a great tackle lots of rolling and pretending but hes good at intercepting.Fletcher 2008-2009 season before his bowl disease/injury.Busquets well never be that good or even compare to what fletch done that season.He might have the medal's but only deserve's it as much as terry last season.

Paul Tergat

bernardamaac. wrote: »

You've got to be taking the pi$$..Id take cheik tiote,parker or even dembele over him he's terrible.Hes worse than carrick.He sits behind xavi iniesta and marks the other teams forward...Never once seen him make a good pass or a great tackle lots of rolling and pretending but hes good at intercepting.Fletcher 2008-2009 season before his bowl disease/injury.Busquets well never be that good or even compare to what fletch done that season.He might have the medal's but only deserve's it as much as terry last season.

Wow. Busquets is world class and I think you have got it badly wrong here