Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12

Will I Amnt

Knex. wrote: »

Hey lads, don't usually post in here so forgive me if this has already been posted.

Talks of United's deal with Chevy being 40m a year and the guy who brokered it getting the sack :eek:

Seen a lot of articles reporting it as £51m a year.

Paul Tergat

Roger Sterling wrote: »

Well if Lucas impresses then yes. But think the intention will be to ease him in like it was for CR before he turned out to be semi decent. Either way his arrival doesnt have any implications for Nani. Let there be no panic. Way too much girlish hand ringing in this thread in general. Trust the boss. He has this.

Ronnie played 40 games in his first season. He was thrown in. I totally agree with you on Nani btw, I just reckon that a signing of that amount (i think that does matter!) will mean he will play an awful lot of games.

Roger Sterling

Paul Tergat wrote: »

Ronnie played 40 games in his first season. He was thrown in. I totally agree with you on Nani btw, I just reckon that a signing of that amount (i think that does matter!) will mean he will play an awful lot of games.

Fergie has been quoted as saying he was gona ease CR in but he proved too good to doso.

As for price tags Fergie wont let that sway him either way. He dropped a 30mstriker from the CL final squad after all.

Paul Tergat

Roger Sterling wrote: »

Fergie has been quoted as saying he was gona ease CR in but he proved too good to doso.

As for price tags Fergie wont let that sway him either way. He dropped a 30mstriker from the CL final squad after all.

That was after he turned out not to work. When he was first signed he was straight into the first team at the expense of Tevez. I just really cant see us spending 30m on someone and then leave em out. Meh, hypothetical debate anyway bud.

Roger Sterling

Paul Tergat wrote: »

That was after he turned out not to work. When he was first signed he was straight into the first team at the expense of Tevez. I just really cant see us spending 30m on someone and then leave em out. Meh, hypothetical debate anyway bud.

True. I just hope people see Lucas a s a huge investment in a lomg term project rather than a guy whos the finished article. Forget the price tag nd remember his age and rawness.

But yeah pure hypothetical debate. He may very well not be going anywhere.

Jame Gumb

Roger Sterling wrote: »

Let there be no panic. Way too much girlish hand ringing in this thread in general. Trust the boss. He has this.

If Fergie signs Moura and / or Van Persie and doesn't sign a midfielder and a fullback, he will (in my view) have dropped the ball BIGTIME.

eugeneious

Lucas isn't a winger, so why would Nani be affected? Lucas is primarily a central player who plays in the whole behind the striker.

Roger Sterling

Jame Gumb wrote: »

If Fergie signs Moura and / or Van Persie and doesn't sign a midfielder and a fullback, he will have dropped the ball BIGTIME.

Id be pretty sure hell get a fullback. I think Cleverley deserves his chance to shine in midfield. The problem there is overstated. Kagawa floating about in front of the midfield will transform how we play next year. As I said people need to relax a little. The squad is in fine shape withe the aerage age dropping all the time. The future is bright.

Roger Sterling

My cock is stirring, think both RVP and Lucas might be in the bag. Acini now reckonhes not off to City. Hes either confirming the media reports that VP wamts United or hes playing silly buggers. If we get those two itll be our best Summer ever and we'llwin the league.

Jame Gumb

Roger Sterling wrote: »

Jame Gumb wrote: »

If Fergie signs Moura and / or Van Persie and doesn't sign a midfielder and a fullback, he will have dropped the ball BIGTIME.

Id be pretty sure hell get a fullback. I think Cleverley deserves his chance to shine in midfield. The problem there is overstated. Kagawa floating about in front of the midfield will transform how we play next year. As I said people need to relax a little. The squad is in fine shape withe the aerage age dropping all the time. The future is bright.

I have to disagree.

We've one right back and one left back. Other than Rafael and Evra, we've wingers and centre halves who can "do a job" at fullback. Given Fabio's non availability, we need to sign a right back and a left back in my view.

And as for midfield, we're short one and maybe even two quality signings in my opinion. The problem there is tangible and it has been there for years but ignored by Fergie. It isn't fair to rely on elder statesmen like Scholes and Giggs or young players like Powell or Cleverley. Based on the last few years, Anderson is too injury prone to be relied upon and Fletcher is chronically ill. Kagawa is not a central midfielder in the strictest sense of the word. That leaves Carrick who divides opinion among fans.

The squad is not in fine shape until we sign a midfielder / midfielders and a fullback / fullbacks.

Roger Sterling

Jame Gumb wrote: »

I have to disagree.

We've one right back and one left back. Other than Rafael and Evra, we've wingers and centre halves who can "do a job" at fullback. Given Fabio's non availability, we need to sign a right back and a left back in my view.

And as for midfield, we're short one and maybe even two quality signings in my opinion. The problem there is tangible and it has been there for years but ignored by Fergie. It isn't fair to rely on elder statesmen like Scholes and Giggs or young players like Powell or Cleverley. Based on the last few years, Anderson is too injury prone to be relied upon and Fletcher is chronically ill. Kagawa is not a central midfielder in the strictest sense of the word. That leaves Carrick who divides opinion among fans.

The squad is not in fine shape until we sign a midfielder / midfielders and a fullback / fullbacks.

I already said I think a FB will be signed. Fergie has more or less said it himself.

As for midfield Scholes for all his years is still the best passer in the league. Cleverley and Ando are going to have big seasons as well IMO. Throw in Giggs, Arrick and Ones\Powell if needed then if anything we'll do well to keep them al happy.

Our attacking options are so good well just outscore everyone either way. I have a feeling were gonna be unreal to watch next year.

Jame Gumb

@Roger Sterling

I hope that you're right!

Cantona's Collars

Squad for Barca game on Wednesday:

De Gea, Lindegaard; Evra, Ferdinand, Jones, M Keane, Vidić; Anderson, Carrick, Nani, Powell, Lingard, Scholes, Valencia, Young, Kagawa; Berbatov, Hernández, Macheda, Rooney, Welbeck

TonyD79

Rafael,Jones,Smalling,Valencia are more than enough right back choices plus we have allways had centre halfs covering this position ie O'Shea and Brown. We need a left back and I doubt Fergie would have let Fabio go if he hadn't someone lined up.

Roger Sterling

The presence of Lingard in the last couple of squads ahead of Petrucci and Tunny suggests hes rate ahead of them at the moment. Expaect loans for both in the next few weeks while Lingard should be kept on and given the odd rum out.

adox

If Utd go on to spend another £50 million pound this summer, like they did last summer and still don't buy one quality CM I think I'll cry.

It's quite bizzare.

Winston Payne

Sir Alex Ferguson wrote:

The fans will cry "Buy a midfielder!". And I will look down on them and say "No."

You know it to be true.

Eathrin

Winston Payne wrote: »

"Sir Alex Ferguson&#34 wrote:

The fans will cry "Buy a midfielder!". And I will look down on them and say "No."

You know it to be true.

I question the legitamacy of this quotation.

aperture_nuig

Eathrin wrote: »

I question the legitamacy of this quotation.

The_Kew_Tour

Am I still the only person who thinks we wont get RVP?

Been out of touch with United lately for few reasons, but nothing to suggest the confidence few posters in here have that we will get him.

I love it to happen all the same.

Eathrin

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Am I still the only person who thinks we wont get RVP?

Been out of touch with United lately for few reasons, but nothing to suggest the confidence few posters in here have that we will get him.

I love it to happen all the same.

I kinda don't want it to happen, nor the Moura deal.
I feel as if spending 50m will put an end to our summer shopping and will once again see us neglect the problem areas.

Of course if we subsequently buy a LB and a defensive CM then I would be delighted to have them in the squad but that's my worry.

Jame Gumb

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

Am I still the only person who thinks we wont get RVP?

Been out of touch with United lately for few reasons, but nothing to suggest the confidence few posters in here have that we will get him.

I love it to happen all the same.

I hope that it doesn't happen.

Too expensive.
Not needed.
Injury prone.
Too old.
Possibly a troublemaker (based on his current antics).
Other areas of the teams need strengthening.

I also hope that we don't sign Moura (unless we're keeping Nani etc and signing a fullback and midfielder).

MagicMarker

TBH right now, if I had to pick between RVP and Welbeck and all the pros and cons that that entails, I'd rather have Welbeck.

Roger Sterling

If we get RVP and Moura we have a range and depth of attacker that is better than any club on the planet.

adox

Ravel Morrison going out on loan to Birmingham apparently.
Not working out for him at West Ham as he had hoped it seems.

Jame Gumb

Roger Sterling wrote: »

If we get RVP and Moura we have a range and depth of attacker that is better than any club on the planet.

It pains me to say it, but Aguero, Tevez, Ballottelli, Dzeko, Adebayor and Santa Cruz probably disagree with you...

Roger Sterling

Jame Gumb wrote: »

It pains me to say it, but Aguero, Tevez, Ballottelli, Dzeko, Adebayor and Santa Cruz probably disagree with you...

Pffft the last two hardly count!

RVP and Rooney are the two best strikers in the land and backing them up are the two best young strikers around all being supplied by Kagawa whos a little magiciaan and the four best wide men you could aask for in Nani. Val. Lucas and Ash. An embarassment of riches. I reckon our second eleven could finish top four.

kryogen

Roger Sterling wrote: »

The presence of Lingard in the last couple of squads ahead of Petrucci and Tunny suggests hes rate ahead of them at the moment. Expaect loans for both in the next few weeks while Lingard should be kept on and given the odd rum out.

They have all played on tour, pretty much an equal amount of game time I would think

All have impressed in one way or another, interesting to see what happens with them, hopefully loans for Lingard and Tunni, then Petrucci in January all things going well.

Wouldn't mind them staying around if they were going to get time with the first team but don't see that happening.

kryogen

Jame Gumb wrote: »

It pains me to say it, but Aguero, Tevez, Ballottelli, Dzeko, Adebayor and Santa Cruz probably disagree with you...

Benzema, Ronaldo, Higuain, Ozil, Di Maria, Kaka, Callejon etc would also disagree

Roger Sterling

kryogen wrote: »

They have all played on tour, pretty much an equal amount of game time I would think

All have impressed in one way or another, interesting to see what happens with them, hopefully loans for Lingard and Tunni, then Petrucci in January all things going well.

Wouldn't mind them staying around if they were going to get time with the first team but don't see that happening.

Since the bigger names returned though only Lingard has beenretained in squads. Id put little or no store in those first few squads. If you had a pulse you were in.

Jame Gumb

kryogen wrote: »

Jame Gumb wrote: »

It pains me to say it, but Aguero, Tevez, Ballottelli, Dzeko, Adebayor and Santa Cruz probably disagree with you...

Benzema, Ronaldo, Higuain, Ozil, Di Maria, Kaka, Callejon etc would also disagree

And they'd be right...Messi, Villa etc might join the debate too

Roger Sterling

kryogen wrote: »

Benzema, Ronaldo, Higuain, Ozil, Di Maria, Kaka, Callejon etc would also disagree

I think we match up just fine to them. Kaka is a goner anyway and Higuain possbly too.
We have nine top class players as I named earlier not sure anyone else can name that many.
If we get the two lads obv.
Stunning depth and quality.

adox

Roger Sterling wrote: »

I think we match up just fine to them. Kaka is a goner anyway and Higuain possbly too.
We have nine top class players as I named earlier not sure anyone else can name that many.
If we get the two lads obv.
Stunning depth and quality.

Being overloaded in some posiitions and short in others doesn't equal stunning depth and quality.

There's already an imbalance n the squad in terms of quality and if the news is anywhere near accurate today, that imbalance is going to become even bigger.

Roger Sterling

adox wrote: »

Being overloaded in some posiitions and short in others doesn't equal stunning depth and quality.

There's already an imbalance n the squad in terms of quality and if the news is anywhere near accurate today, that imbalance is going to become even bigger.

Wheres this imbalance. We have two or sometmes thhree options for every position on the field LB aside. which the manager is on record as saying hes dealing with.

How can people see us signing the best striker in the league and one of the jewels of Brazilian football as a bad thing? Were gonna steamroll this league next year mark my words.

kryogen

Roger Sterling wrote: »

Wheres this imbalance. We have two or sometmes thhree options for every position on the field LB aside. which the manager is on record as saying hes dealing with.

How can people see us signing the best striker in the league and one of the jewels of Brazilian football as a bad thing? Were gonna steamroll this league next year mark my words.

I smell money making here

I will bet you any amount that you like that we will not steam roll the league this year.

If the club win it will be by less then 15pts.

The squad is unbalanced, it is top heavy as it is, further attacking options wide and up front will only add to that imbalance.

Optimism is great, but blind optimism is a bit mad

There is a quite a gaping hole in the middle of the field, the priority should be strengthening there, I would love to have additions elsewhere also, but nowhere is more important then the centre of midfield, the squad is stacked practically everywhere else. Just having a great attack will not win you the league

You seem to have missed the word quality in Adox post

Roger Sterling

kryogen wrote: »

I smell money making here

I will bet you any amount that you like that we will not steam roll the league this year.

If the club win it will be by less then 15pts.

The squad is unbalanced, it is top heavy as it is, further attacking options wide and up front will only add to that imbalance.

Optimism is great, but blind optimism is a bit mad

There is a quite a gaping hole in the middle of the field, the priority should be strengthening there, I would love to have additions elsewhere also, but nowhere is more important then the centre of midfield, the squad is stacked practically everywhere else. Just having a great attack will not win you the league

You seem to have missed the word quality in Adox post

Well everyone seems to have missed the fact that I was referring to our front four options specifically. Alas all roads seem to lead to the midfield on this and every other forum.

Nd no all the passive aggressive smilie faces in the world wont convimce me to gamble thanks.

ScummyMan

Hmmm, I'm beginning to see Fergusons plan:

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De Gea

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--Valencia--Powell--Carrick---Brady
--Bebe----Giggs

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Lucas

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Nani

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Kagawa

---

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Young

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MOAR WINGERS!!!

kryogen

Roger Sterling wrote: »

Well everyone seems to have missed the fact that I was referring to our front four options specifically. Alas all roads seem to lead to the midfield on this and every other forum.

Nd no all the passive aggressive smilie faces in the world wont convimce me to gamble thanks.

No passive aggressive, simple amusement, fresh optimism is cute at times, would be great if you were right but sadly its not that simple.

Nobody missed what you were saying, evidenced by the players me and someone else responded with, but all roads do lead back to midfield with this team as that is the glaring weakness.

As I said the best attackers in the world won't win you the league without a solid foundation behind them, and this team will challenge for the title. May not win it, but the squad is so good it will challenge with or without a good midfielder being added.

It will not be a real contender for the CL though, and it will be the big matches this season same as last where the deficiencies of the midfield will be exposed again. Rooney is fantastic, if the midfield can't control the ball he is isolated and gets frustrated, this will happen with VP also if he was there.

The spine of the team is the most important for obvious reasons, and the keeper is fine, not perfect but fine, the defence is solid, the strike force is solid. Its the centre of midfield where the problem is, just being good enough to compete is not what I want from the team, I want to see United setting the standard, I want to see the team being the team to beat.

We all want the best for the club I guess.

Roger Sterling

kryogen wrote: »

No passive aggressive, simple amusement, fresh optimism is cute at times, would be great if you were right but sadly its not that simple.

Nobody missed what you were saying, evidenced by the players me and someone else responded with, but all roads do lead back to midfield with this team as that is the glaring weakness.

As I said the best attackers in the world won't win you the league without a solid foundation behind them, and this team will challenge for the title. May not win it, but the squad is so good it will challenge with or without a good midfielder being added.

It will not be a real contender for the CL though, and it will be the big matches this season same as last where the deficiencies of the midfield will be exposed again. Rooney is fantastic, if the midfield can't control the ball he is isolated and gets frustrated, this will happen with VP also if he was there.

The spine of the team is the most important for obvious reasons, and the keeper is fine, not perfect but fine, the defence is solid, the strike force is solid. Its the centre of midfield where the problem is, just being good enough to compete is not what I want from the team, I want to see United setting the standard, I want to see the team being the team to beat.

We all want the best for the club I guess.

Nobody seems to be facoring in the Kagawa effect. Hes far more suited to being the third midfielder we so badly needed than Rooney ever was. Mobile two footed energetic great range of passing. he will transform the way the team needs and will properly link midfield and attck in a comsistent way that Rooney never really did. we will lok a lot better in the middle for his addition. add in the fact that cleverley is fit again and you suddenly have the prospect of amobile dynamic intelleigent pair of players in in him and Kag backed up by the security that Carrick gives. A mothwatering prospect. And the likes of Scholes Giggs Ando Powell and Jones are more than adequate back up.

What you call cute in a pretty patronising manner I simply xall faith in the quality squad our superb manager has assembled.

tvercetti

Roger Sterling wrote: »

Wheres this imbalance. We have two or sometmes thhree options for every position on the field LB aside. which the manager is on record as saying hes dealing with.

How can people see us signing the best striker in the league and one of the jewels of Brazilian football as a bad thing? Were gonna steamroll this league next year mark my words.

The only steamrolling will be Yaya Toure through Uniteds midfield.

kryogen

Roger Sterling wrote: »

Nobody seems to be facoring in the Kagawa effect. Hes far more suited to being the third midfielder we so badly needed than Rooney ever was. Mobile two footed energetic great range of passing. he will transform the way the team needs and will properly link midfield and attck in a comsistent way that Rooney never really did. we will lok a lot better in the middle for his addition. add in the fact that cleverley is fit again and you suddenly have the prospect of amobile dynamic intelleigent pair of players in in him and Kag backed up by the security that Carrick gives. A mothwatering prospect. And the likes of Scholes Giggs Ando Powell and Jones are more than adequate back up.

What you call cute in a pretty patronising manner I simply xall faith in the quality squad our superb manager has assembled.

No, no, again, everybody has considered the effect Kagawa will have on the team, it does not take away from the issue the team has though.

The squad is up there in terms of being one of the best in the world, it stacks up to any team with the exception of Madrid possibly imo, but the first team is a different matter.

You call it by a different name is all, I call it blind optimism, you call it faith.

Kagawa is not a central midfielder, he just isn't, now Fergie may shoe horn him there, or out on the left, but he is a support striker, second striker, number 10, whatever you want to call it, but he is not a central midfielder.

Brilliant addition, delighted with him, first signing I have been genuinely excited about in a long time if I'm honest, to simply focus on the positive and ignore the negative is not something I can do though.

Fergie is not God and he is capable of errors, he made more last season then I have ever seen from him, would I want anybody else in control of the club? **** no! I just want the signing that would push us on to the next level in midfield.

The only midfielder that can be relied upon to play 90% of the games this season is Carrick. That is hardly ideal, Clev could be anything, Ando could be brilliant but he has a history, other then that? Scholes cannot be expected to perform week in week out over the course of a season, he was exposed in the bigger games last year (and the years before) for his lack of legs these days when the pace of the games are too much for him, Giggs really shouldn't feature too much either.

The young guys, Tunni etc are not ready yet imo to carry a Manchester United midfield so again, we are left with Carrick, do you think that is ideal?

Kylo Ren

Mr. Sterling, have you taken LSD again tonight?

Roger Sterling

kryogen wrote: »

No, no, again, everybody has considered the effect Kagawa will have on the team, it does not take away from the issue the team has though.

The squad is up there in terms of being one of the best in the world, it stacks up to any team with the exception of Madrid possibly imo, but the first team is a different matter.

You call it by a different name is all, I call it blind optimism, you call it faith.

Kagawa is not a central midfielder, he just isn't, now Fergie may shoe horn him there, or out on the left, but he is a support striker, second striker, number 10, whatever you want to call it, but he is not a central midfielder.

Brilliant addition, delighted with him, first signing I have been genuinely excited about in a long time if I'm honest, to simply focus on the positive and ignore the negative is not something I can do though.

Fergie is not God and he is capable of errors, he made more last season then I have ever seen from him, would I want anybody else in control of the club? **** no! I just want the signing that would push us on to the next level in midfield.

The only midfielder that can be relied upon to play 90% of the games this season is Carrick. That is hardly ideal, Clev could be anything, Ando could be brilliant but he has a history, other then that? Scholes cannot be expected to perform week in week out over the course of a season, he was exposed in the bigger games last year (and the years before) for his lack of legs these days when the pace of the games are too much for him, Giggs really shouldn't feature too much either.

The young guys, Tunni etc are not ready yet imo to carry a Manchester United midfield so again, we are left with Carrick, do you think that is ideal?

What does 'clev could be anything' even mean? Hes a class act. The heir apparent to Scholes. People go on about hi. neing imjury prone but all his problems last season had their basis in Kevin Davies being a hatcet man. Impact injuries could happen anyone. Hell be immense next year mark my words and well also have the best passer in the leage to step in.

Kagawa will make life so much easire for the midfield. Watch him for Dortmund hes an absolute dream for midfiledres to play with. I can see hi. amd Clev dovetailing beautifully. Theyre made to play together.

Whatsisname

Rumours from Twitter...

Paris Saint Germain &#8207 wrote: »

BREAKING: Globo Esporte says PSG agreed terms with Sao Paulo for the transfer of Lucas Moura, only medical & signature of contract left.

Paris Saint Germain @ParisSntGermain wrote:

During all Sunday Alex Ferguson tried to contact Lucas to convince him to reject PSG and join Man Utd but he choose the French club. (GE)

Wonder if its true or not..

Roger Sterling

Hes sh*t anyway.

Kylo Ren

Whatsisname wrote: »

Rumours from Twitter...





Wonder if its true or not..

They're not the official page.

They are:
https://twitter.com/PSG_inside

Roger Sterling

Has been reported in Brazilian newspaper though. Would explain Fergie going missing.

Kylo Ren

Yeah but I am sure the same newspapers had him going to us yesterday and the day before etc. Daily Fail had him undergoing a medical today at United. Can't be trusted.

Kylo Ren

Nice throw Daniel san.

Adamcp898

Keno 92 wrote: »

Nice throw Daniel san.

Wrong thread