Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12

Kylo Ren

Agreed. As bad as Evra was Baines is the wrong target for me.

Smegball

I'd rather lick a squirrel than sign Baines.

Kylo Ren

Smegball wrote: »

I'd rather lick a squirrel than sign Baines.

bernardamaac.

Anyone know of a better way to get match tickets then sign up to The official manchester united website ? i heard u can go into like falcon or other holiday places and they can get tickets for face value off season ticket holders? Not sure. if all else fails i suppose il have to pay mufc for the tickets if they can allocate a few.

RasTa

bernardamaac. wrote: »

Anyone know of a better way to get match tickets then sign up to The official manchester united website ? i heard u can go into like falcon or other holiday places and they can get tickets for face value off season ticket holders? Not sure. if all else fails i suppose il have to pay mufc for the tickets if they can allocate a few.

Go into the tickets thread on this forum. Usually someone trying to offload tickets for most games http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=896

Fenix

@ManUtdStuff
Club Captain Nemanja Vidic has resumed training, one week earlier than the other players, as he recovers from his long-term injury. #MUFC

homerjay2005

i am glad that others agree with the no need for baines movement, it makes zero sense to sign him, unless we have a kitty of about 60million to spend.

DM_7

Had a weird dream united spent 80 million on some brazilian forward. Even in my dreams United don't buy midfield players.

Fenix

I think we have more spending power than some think on here... I believe this due mainly to the fact that we were in for Hazard (£30m odd before extras) at the same time as bidding for Kagawa. I expect to see 2 more players brought in, one of which is Baines. Seriously underrated by many on here, or else massively over rated by myself.

Also, positively giddy at the though of fit again Nemanja!!!

unplayable

bernardamaac. wrote: »

Anyone know of a better way to get match tickets then sign up to The official manchester united website ? i heard u can go into like falcon or other holiday places and they can get tickets for face value off season ticket holders? Not sure. if all else fails i suppose il have to pay mufc for the tickets if they can allocate a few.

have u heard of suit distributors bernand. they sell tickets for both home and away games at face value. worth checking them out i got away tickets for chelsea before no probs.

Orando Broom

Fenix wrote: »

I think we have more spending power than some think on here... I believe this due mainly to the fact that we were in for Hazard (£30m odd before extras) at the same time as bidding for Kagawa. I expect to see 2 more players brought in, one of which is Baines. Seriously underrated by many on here, or else massively over rated by myself.

Also, positively giddy at the though of fit again Nemanja!!!

I hope he is brought back very slowly. I think United can live without Vidic on the pitch for 90 minutes until after October. The first 8 or so United games I'd hope that Vidic is just eased back in.

sReq | uTeK

Can i ask where the talk of selling Nani is coming from?

He's stalling on his contract, granted but I've not heard ONE team being interested in him, he's going nowhere, stop the BS now please.

Your Airbag

sReq | uTeK wrote: »

Can i ask where the talk of selling Nani is coming from?

He's stalling on his contract, granted but I've not heard ONE team being interested in him, he's going nowhere, stop the BS now please.

In all fairness, clubs will be falling over themselves to sign him.

Orando Broom

Your Airbag wrote: »

In all fairness, clubs will be falling over themselves to sign him.

What clubs though? PSG, perhaps, the have cash, lesser league than England. Milan, Inter, Juve. But would he move to Italy? I don't see him as Madrid or Barca.

If he is moving into his last year of his contract he could go for less than 20m.

Macca07

his contract is until 2014, he is due to sign a new one, Uniteds usual policy.

Orando Broom

Macca07 wrote: »

his contract is until 2014, he is due to sign a new one, Uniteds usual policy.

So two years. Ok. He'd be hard enough prised away if he was to be sold this season. I think United can afford to play the long ball on this one, to be honest.

bucketybuck

I find it strange people saying that Baines might light a fire under Evras ass.

Fact is, if Baines comes for anything near the figures quoted, then he will be expected to play. And if Baines is playing, then I cannot see Evra being content to sit on the bench for any length of time.

Two won't go into one, and Evra doesn't seem to me to be the type to step into the background.

Julez

bucketybuck wrote: »

Two won't go into one, and Evra doesn't seem to me to be the type to step into the background.

...therefore lighting a fire under his ass...

I presume thats what people are getting at.

homerjay2005

apparently the club is saying vidic is NOT back in training until next week like everybody else.

homerjay2005

Julez wrote: »

...therefore lighting a fire under his ass...

I presume thats what people are getting at.

a 12-15million quid fire???

surely dropping Evra and playing Fabio or Evans at LB for 2 or 3 games is a better approach?

Owen_S

homerjay2005 wrote: »

apparently the club is saying vidic is NOT back in training until next week like everybody else.

But instead of being on holiday like the rest of the team, he has been doing a lot of work in the gym. Fingers crossed that he can get back to his best.

Backstreet Moyes

homerjay2005 wrote: »

a 12-15million quid fire???

surely dropping Evra and playing Fabio or Evans at LB for 2 or 3 games is a better approach?

Fabio going on loan seems odd to me. When he got a run in the team he was brilliant. Imo was our best player in the Champions League final. He is only going to get better when he bulks up. I just dont understand why Evra is never dropped or even rested. Keep Fabio here and rotate him with Evra. If he cant stay fit Evans can rotate as their is plenty of cover at CB.

Schism

homerjay2005 wrote: »

a 12-15million quid fire???

surely dropping Evra and playing Fabio or Evans at LB for 2 or 3 games is a better approach?

Very true. Surely no club is flippant enough to spend 12m plus to motivate an existing player.

Maximus Alexander

Fenix wrote: »

Also, positively giddy at the though of fit again Nemanja!!!

I'm not saying this will be the case, but you should prepare yourself for the possibility.

Vidic is 30, has been out for an extended period and most importantly, had a very serious injury. He might not be the same player that he was.

bucketybuck

Julez wrote: »

...therefore lighting a fire under his ass...

I presume thats what people are getting at.

As already noted, nobody pays 15 million just to motivate a player. If Baines is bought for the figures quoted than he will be bought as a starter.

Just imagine, Evra comes flying back into the form he is capable of. He makes himself undroppable again, and with his great injury record misses very few games all next season. Do we really want a 15 million pound defender sitting scratching all season? Its not like either of them can play anywhere but left back.

Nothing about the Baines story makes any sort of sense, neither football wise nor especially business wise. Not unless Evra is happy to drop to the bench and play back up, and I don't think he is.

Fenix

I guess time will tell re Vida, I think he's the type of person though, with high drive and determination to give it his all and return to the top, an hopefully he will.

Blanc did something with Evra that Ferguson hasn't been able to do, replace him when he's not playing well, weather this motivates him to perform at a higher standard remains to be seen. SAF could have played Fabio, but he obviously dosnt think he's ready givin that he seems keen on loaning him out.

Mostly I want Baines because I rate him as an all round better LB than Evra. Still love Mad Paddy though, that will never wane.

Fenix

bucketybuck wrote: »

Nothing about the Baines story makes any sort of sense, neither football wise nor especially business wise.

It makes sense in that Baines is a cracking player and Evra has been defensive poor consistently for 2 seasons, his attacking game has suffered also, but not to the extent that he has become a liability.

tvercetti

Fenix wrote: »

I guess time will tell re Vida, I think he's the type of person though, with high drive and determination to give it his all and return to the top, an hopefully he will.

Heinze was also that type of player with high drive and determination but he didn't look the same in a Utd jersey when he returned from his injury. He did go onto play many more internationals and spent a few years with Madrid but I don't think he ever returned to the level he was playing at before his injury.

Julez

bucketybuck wrote: »

As already noted, nobody pays 15 million just to motivate a player.

Just imagine, Evra comes flying back into the form he is capable of. He makes himself undroppable again, and with his great injury record misses very few games all next season.

Before I go any further I will say that I'm against the Baines idea, however, if this was the case and Evra came back to his previous world class form and we had Baines as backup... that wouldn't be such a bad investment at €15m. But, it shouldn't take a €15m player to make Evra play. I'd rather keep Fabio around and give him more chances.

Fenix

What makes people think Evra (who is now 31) will ever come back to his best?! Hasnt been doing it for a long while now, Baines is an immediate upgrade, to put it harshly.

Kylo Ren

Fenix wrote: »

What makes people think Evra (who is now 31) will ever come back to his best?! Hasnt been doing it for a long while now, Baines is an immediate upgrade, to put it harshly.

Yes and in a couple years time Baines will be 31! With Evra's form over the past two seasons there are an absolute ton of upgrades including younger and cheaper options.

Fenix

Keno 92 wrote: »

Yes and in a couple years time Baines will be 31! With Evra's form over the past two seasons there are an absolute ton of upgrades including younger and cheaper options.

I agree, and in say 3 years time Fabio will be 24 and hopefully have fulfilled his potential and step in.

It boils down to this for me, who would I rather have starting LB for Utd next season? easy, Leighton Baines. Sign him up Fergie.

Kylo Ren

Fenix wrote: »

I agree, and in say 3 years time Fabio will be 24 and hopefully have fulfilled his potential and step in.

It boils down to this for me, who would I rather have starting LB for Utd next season? easy, Leighton Baines. Sign him up Fergie.

Yes but that mentality can be applied to a number of players. Does not have to be overpriced/over aged Baines.

Fenix

Keno 92 wrote: »

Yes but that mentality can be applied to a number of players. Does not have to be overpriced/over aged Baines.

Give me a couple of examples that would be better options than Baines?

He would have been Englands LB for the last couple of years at least if Cashely wasnt around...

FutureGuy

I don't understand the negativity towards Baines. He is 27 years old, in the prime of his career, a dead ball specialist (badly needed) and is far better than anyone we currently have at the club.

If we could get him for under 15m, I'd snap Evertons fingers off tbh. First choice LB sorted.

EDIT: Forgot to add a tiny point...he's completly proven in the PL, and has played in it for 7 years.

Kylo Ren

Cissokho
Olsson
Rakitskiy

FutureGuy

FutureGuy wrote: »

I don't understand the negativity towards Baines. He is 27 years old, in the prime of his career, a dead ball specialist (badly needed) and is far better than anyone we currently have at the club.

If we could get him for under 15m, I'd snap Evertons fingers off tbh. First choice LB sorted.

Baines is a very good LB and consistant too.Better than anything united currently have in that position tbh.

Evra is pretty much finished as a top class player.

stesaurus

Keno 92 wrote: »

Cissokho
Olsson
Rakitskiy

Cissokho has been terrible for Lyon, poor player who had 1 good season a few years back. Also seems to have an attitude problem. And I seem to remember a certain '5 times' gesture!

Olsson no thanks, plenty of pace but I don't rate him defensively.

Rakitskiy I honestly had to google him. Really? Is he good on Fifa or something.

Schism

If we look at this objectively for a minute.

Homerjay and a few others are right. If 12m or so is spent on Baines that's going to short midfield. In an ideal world where we can throw money around without thinking, Baines would be great to have. It's not like that though and as always of late the burning issue for United is the need for a top class midfielder.

So who have we now for left full? Evra, Fabio and Evans (albeit a touch out of position). Fryers can fill in too if we go to the bone. In midfield we have Carrick, Anderson, Cleverley, Scholes, Giggs, Park and Jones can do a job in the middle too. I'm purposely omitting Fletcher until there's word on him.

Looking at those lists it's definitely midfield that needs the money spent. I'd start Evra in every single PL game next year if it meant we could be in for someone like Martinez*. Left back is an issue too but that can be addressed after midfield is taken care of.

What's more likely to happen though is the money will be spent on Baines and we'll rely on Carrick again. I'm not going to dog Carrick here, I think he does a decent job but this is Manchester United, we need a midfielder that is doing an excellent job.



*Martinez is just an example. Insert your ideal player here.

bullvine

I think the problem Fergie has is that hes afraid to buy a midfielder from abroad for big money since Veron flopped. Ideally, I'd say he'd love to get someone from the English league in the same manner that he got Ince and Keane in the past and maybe thats what hes gone for with Powell in the same way he bought Jones and Smalling recently(Ones for the Future). Theres not a huge supply of good young Midfielders in England at the moment and certainly none that really stand out. Rodwell, Fellaini, Dembele, all good players, most of us would be happy with any one of them but they are still pretty unproven.

adox

We seem to be spending money on most positions bar the one that really needs addressing.

Baines would be a nice addition but not at the expense of a midfielder.

Its just hard to fathom how it isnt being addressed(If indeed it isnt this summer).

SlickRic

Baines wouldn't be a priority, surely, unless there's a mountain of money in the transfer budget?

i'd guess that other areas need strengthening before the LB role, no?

if £12-15m meant you didn't get a re-inforcement or 2 into CM, i'd imagine that'd be a bit crazy. if it didn't affect Utd's position financially in getting other positions sorted, then it's a moot point really, because Baines for that price, in his prime, would be sound business.

Samich

homerjay2005 wrote: »

apparently the club is saying vidic is NOT back in training until next week like everybody else.

I was thinking, the same twitter was the one who gave the news on Nani :rolleyes:

Junior D

Schism wrote: »

I'd start Evra in every single PL game next year if it meant we could be in for someone like Martinez*.

*Martinez is just an example. Insert your ideal player here.

I've heard a lot of talk about Martinez being a possibility an I know you said Martinez is just an example, but Bilbao aren't going let him go, considering their player and players like Martinez don't exactly grow on trees there.

bullvine wrote: »

Rodwell, Fellaini, Dembele, all good players, most of us would be happy with any one of them but they are still pretty unproven.

IMO none of those are good enough. United need to be competing for European honours as well as English ones and these players mentioned just don't cut it. Imagine if any of these came up against Barca, Real or Bayern. Torn to shreds.
Somebody like Moutinho/Veloso

Junior D

Keno 92 wrote: »

Cissokho
Olsson
Rakitskiy

LOL Olsson!

But Cissokho and Rakitskiy aren't bad.

bullvine

I dont agree about Moutinho/Veloso they would have been picked up by now, If they were that highly rated, they've been around awhile. Veloso nearly went to Bolton about 2 years ago.

I think your letting there performances at the Euros cloud your judgement!

Liam O

If fergie is going to sign a CM run he'll do it regardless of signing Baines. There was 32m available for Hazard and that was in addition to the money for Kagawa. Fergie will still have at least 20 odd million for a midfielder after Baines is signed if he goes for him.

Giggsy11

Junior D wrote: »

I've heard a lot of talk about Martinez being a possibility an I know you said Martinez is just an example, but Bilbao aren't going let him go, considering their player and players like Martinez don't exactly grow on trees there.



IMO none of those are good enough. United need to be competing for European honours as well as English ones and these players mentioned just don't cut it. Imagine if any of these came up against Barca, Real or Bayern. Torn to shreds.
Somebody like Moutinho/Veloso

I dont know how you say Fellaini and Dembele are not good enough for United and at the same time say we should sign someone like Veloso and Moutinho. Moutinho is decent player but I would take Fellaini and Dembele any day of the week rather than Moutinho and I wouldn't even think about Veloso.

Junior D

bullvine wrote: »

I dont agree about Moutinho/Veloso they would have been picked up by now, If they were that highly rated, they've been around awhile. Veloso nearly went to Bolton about 2 years ago.

I think your letting there performances at the Euros cloud your judgement!

Ha sure don't I know it, I'm a Bolton supporter, but it was about 4 years ago when Bolton where in the last 16 of the UEFA cup. Sporting Lisbon actually beat Bolton 2-1 at that stage when Veloso was there.

I'm not letting these performances cloud my judgement. Both are very good players, although I would take Moutinho over Veloso.
Both are very creative and can play deep/advanced roles. Also very good on the ball and are grafters.

I'm not saying they are the best in the world, but the best that United can hope for atm.

keane2097

It would be some indictment of the lies people tell about how much soccer they watch if United signed players as bad as Veloso or Moutinho and people thought it was a good thing.