Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12

v3ttel

Oh well, feck it, I'm going to be on holidays when the pre-season starts next week, so I doubt I'll get to see as much as I'd like. I think I'm going to console myself and by buying the new home jersey....:pac:

Nani 17 - I'm thinking, seeing as Tony V has #7, shouldn't be much danger of him changing number.

Watch me despair in agony as inevitably the contract talks break down and he is sold. It'd be just my luck.

v3ttel

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Can't wait to see him starting week in week out for us.

Nemanja, ohhhh,
Nemanja, ohhhh,
He comes from Serbia,
He'll f*cking murder ya

I can't wait for him to come back. Hopefully he'll hit the ground running.

Giggsy11

Btw, here is the link for all the pics.

http://www.gettyimages.co.uk/Search/Search.aspx?EventId=148412974&EditorialProduct=Sport

kryogen

Veseli was offered a new contract, he must have signed it if he is involved, happy with that, he does have a bit of potential in him

Hunter Mahan

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Also looks like Frederic Veseli is still with ManUtd. Thought he was gone too.

He only signed in January this year?

MagicMarker

Hunter Mahan wrote: »

Also looks like Frederic Veseli is still with ManUtd. Thought he was gone too.

He only signed in January this year?

Presumably his initial contract wasn't exactly long term...

kryogen

MagicMarker wrote: »

Presumably his initial contract wasn't exactly long term...

Correct, United took him for the rest of the season and at the time of sending in the contract retain report to the league he had not been confirmed as a retained player. Glad to see he is still there

keane2097

Who is the Veseli chap?

daveyboy_1ie

i should know better at this stage

Checked Eurosport transfer news and someone is saying that Christian Eriksen is at OT today after Ajax agreed a fee. then checked his wikipedia page to see what his stats were like as i was not overly impressed by him during both games in the Europa and sure enough someone edited the account saying his current club is United. took me a few seconds to realise what happened. People can be so cruel

Giggsy11

Hunter Mahan wrote: »

He only signed in January this year?

Yeah but his initial offer was just 6 months contract and he didn't even play much for reserves. So thought he was gone for sure.

Al Capwned

keane2097 wrote: »

Who is the Veseli chap?

Swiss centre half, signed from City in January. Think he was captain of the U19 or U20's...

MANUTD99

IMO the players won't get a decent pre season on their money making tour of Asia.

Bound to have 2 or 3 injuries picked up after 3 games on the new PL season.

Paul Tergat

MANUTD99 wrote: »

IMO the players won't get a decent pre season on their money making tour of Asia.

Bound to have 2 or 3 injuries picked up after 3 games on the new PL season.

What the hell does the first bit even mean? Why will they no get a good pre season? They cant train all day, only a few hours so in the other time they will be doing corporate stuff as requested.

Injuries are bound to happen with any team. Its normal

kryogen

I'd say he means clocking up all the air miles flying around country to country during pre season, which to a degree I agree with. It is not ideal preparation to be going to Asia, South Africa Denmark etc for pre season. Don't think it will impact severely though, hopefully.

Paul Tergat

kryogen wrote: »

I'd say he means clocking up all the air miles flying around country to country during pre season, which to a degree I agree with. It is not ideal preparation to be going to Asia, South Africa Denmark etc for pre season. Don't think it will impact severely though, hopefully.

I think itll make very little difference and is very much in the clubs interest. It helps team bonding as well all being out of England for a while for a sustained period of time. My only annoyance with it is the KO times

Al Capwned

The thing about the pre-season tours though, I would hope, is that not all the players will be going to all the destinations on all the tours. So the figures that are being bandied around about how many miles the players will be covering will hopefully be the total miles, and not what any individual player will be doing...


If that makes sense.

kryogen

Very much in the clubs interests alright for obvious business reasons, just would be lovely some time to have a tour of somewhere, but pretty mcuh stay there

As I said, I don't have a huge issue with it and a good point has been made that not all the players will go to all the destinations, I am sure the manager will make sure they are well prepared for the new season.

Jax Teller

Paul Tergat wrote: »

I think itll make very little difference and is very much in the clubs interest. It helps team bonding as well all being out of England for a while for a sustained period of time. My only annoyance with it is the KO times

Kick offs look good times to me . Better than last year anyway

MANUTD99

Anybody catch Rio's homemade video of the US tour last year? All the players in the video were sick and tired off all the travelling around and just wanted to go home.

For me its too many air miles getting clocked up,mass media,jet lag,body clock all over the place. Not the right preparation for the start of a new season.

Question as I'm not sure. What is the likes of Barca, Real Madrid, Bayern, City's pre season schedule. Be interesting to compare. Anybody know?

kryogen

MANUTD99 wrote: »

Anybody catch Rio's homemade video of the US tour last year? All the players in the video were sick and tired off all the travelling around and just wanted to go home.

For me its too many air miles getting clocked up,mass media,jet lag,body clock all over the place. Not the right preparation for the start of a new season.

Question as I'm not sure. What is the likes of Barca, Real Madrid, Bayern, City's pre season schedule. Be interesting to compare. Anybody know?

Most of the bigger brands travel alot on pre season yeah, can't remember off the top of my head now who is going where, pretty sure we have a friendly with Barcelona somewhere though

MANUTD99

kryogen wrote: »

Most of the bigger brands travel alot on pre season yeah, can't remember off the top of my head now who is going where, pretty sure we have a friendly with Barcelona somewhere though

Just had a quick look at Barca's website. Their not moving outside Europe. Good move. I think fatigue was a major impact on them last season

kryogen

Just checked, we play them in Sweden so you are right on Barca, Madrid are going to the USA for sure, not sure about anywhere else, City are going to China, Malaysia, Europe.......

v3ttel

I realised we were away after 5 of the 6 Champions League group game fixtures, but bloody hell, I didn't realise who we are away to:

Chelsea,
Liverpool,
City,
Newcastle,
Villa

Hopefully the CL group stage draw will be a bit kinder to make up for it.

GSPfan

Just watched 8 mins of Lucas Moura on Youtube.

Holy Fook!!!!

He is like Ronaldinho. He is crazy fast looking and goes past people with ease. If Barcelona ever got a hold of him they would have another superstar who would tear teams apart.

If we got a hold of him?! Jaysus i dont know what we would do with him. Playing him in central midfield would be mad. He seems to play from the right. Id want United to buy him just to keep him away from other teams but i'd be dying to see where he would play. And also whether Nani would still be at the club.

MANUTD99

kryogen wrote: »

Just checked, we play them in Sweden so you are right on Barca, Madrid are going to the USA for sure, not sure about anywhere else, City are going to China, Malaysia, Europe.......

Seems we are all pretty similar so. Just checked Bayern, they play 2 games in China and don't move outside Germany for the rest of their pre season.

I just feel United as a team could benefit staying in Europe for pre season. I'd love to see them do it next year.

Players coming in joining/leaving certain legs of pre season can't be the greatest move either

Paul Tergat

Rooney10 wrote: »

I realised we were away after 5 of the 6 Champions League group game fixtures, but bloody hell, I didn't realise who we are away to:

Chelsea,
Liverpool,
City,
Newcastle,
Villa

Hopefully the CL group stage draw will be a bit kinder to make up for it.

wow, that is disgusting. I guess thought at least it means we get a good few of the tough away fixtures out of the way in the first half of the season. Should help with the run in

kryogen

GSPfan wrote: »

Just watched 8 mins of Lucas Moura on Youtube.

Holy Fook!!!!

He is like Ronaldinho. He is crazy fast looking and goes past people with ease. If Barcelona ever got a hold of him they would have another superstar who would tear teams apart.

If we got a hold of him?! Jaysus i dont know what we would do with him. Playing him in central midfield would be mad. He seems to play from the right. Id want United to buy him just to keep him away from other teams but i'd be dying to see where he would play. And also whether Nani would still be at the club.

Yeah he is a bit of a machine alright, plays best centrally but drift around the front line. I think it was in this thread I had said already that he would remind you of C Ronaldo for his skills and explosiveness but Ronaldinho wouldnt be a bad comparison either

Whatsisname

Twitter wrote:

Dutch website Sport1.nl has made the surprise claim that Christian Eriksen is in talks with United. #mufc @mufcfans

Look whose made a return!

Laughable how many players are linked with us.

The_Kew_Tour

But we have no chance of signing him right?

kryogen

The_Kew_Tour wrote: »

But we have no chance of signing him right?

Not a hope in hell

my opinion of course

(Assuming you are talking about Lucas)

Fenix

Why would we want him? Backup for Kagawa? No thanks.

Edit: Talking about Eriksen

The_Kew_Tour

Ya twas Lucas.

GSPfan

Re: Lucas Moura

Yeah i made the Ronaldinho comparison because he does that thing where he stands still with the ball on the sideline and the defender doesnt know what to do. Then he will drop a shoulder, swivel his hips, or step over the ball and the defender is turning himself inside out with panic.
I can see the Ronaldo comparison too tho, cause when he is running at defenders he can change direction instantly and turn inside or outside.

He is some serious talent. It would be great to see him in a top league against top players and with top coaching. He is one of those players who is almost too skillful.

kryogen

He would be a massve gamble though from Uniteds point of view, would cost big money, I am not sure how he is regarding a work permit but I dont think he qualifies outright, he would have to settle into a new country/climate, might not adapt etc and the league is a lot more physical too, could he handle it? Makes it a bit too risky for United I think.

I am a big fan though, can't wait till he moves to Europe, could end up in Italy I think, or of course one of the big two in Spain, depends on who needs him first I guess If Ganso does not end up at Milan my money would be on Lucas ending up there

Nuri Sahin

GSPfan wrote: »

Just watched 8 mins of Lucas Moura on Youtube.

Holy Fook!!!!

He is like Ronaldinho. He is crazy fast looking and goes past people with ease. If Barcelona ever got a hold of him they would have another superstar who would tear teams apart.

If we got a hold of him?! Jaysus i dont know what we would do with him. Playing him in central midfield would be mad. He seems to play from the right. Id want United to buy him just to keep him away from other teams but i'd be dying to see where he would play. And also whether Nani would still be at the club.

So... Youtube is your basis for wanting him?

kryogen

-Ade- wrote: »

So... Youtube is your basis for wanting him?

Youtube should never be the basis for wanting someone, but as someone who also watches South American football (pretty sure you do anyway!) do you not also think that he is quite a talented lad?

MANUTD99

kryogen wrote: »

He would be a massve gamble though from Uniteds point of view, would cost big money, I am not sure how he is regarding a work permit but I dont think he qualifies outright, he would have to settle into a new country/climate, might not adapt etc and the league is a lot more physical too, could he handle it? Makes it a bit too risky for United I think.

I am a big fan though, can't wait till he moves to Europe, could end up in Italy I think, or of course one of the big two in Spain, depends on who needs him first I guess If Ganso does not end up at Milan my money would be on Lucas ending up there

Denílson de Oliveira Araújo

kryogen

MANUTD99 wrote: »

Denílson de Oliveira Araújo

If your point is to say Brazilians dont do it in Europe or top divisions I guess I should respond by listing

Kaka
Ronaldo
Ronaldinho
Gilberto Silva
Ze Roberto
Cafu
Roberto Carlos
Juninho
Dani Alves
Marcelo

.......Kleberson



Much like Neymar or Ganso or indeed Oscar, who I do think would be more suited to the English game even now, you don't know until you try! Could be the next Ronaldo, could be the next Denilson!

GSPfan

-Ade- wrote: »

GSPfan wrote: »

Just watched 8 mins of Lucas Moura on Youtube.

Holy Fook!!!!

He is like Ronaldinho. He is crazy fast looking and goes past people with ease. If Barcelona ever got a hold of him they would have another superstar who would tear teams apart.

If we got a hold of him?! Jaysus i dont know what we would do with him. Playing him in central midfield would be mad. He seems to play from the right. Id want United to buy him just to keep him away from other teams but i'd be dying to see where he would play. And also whether Nani would still be at the club.

So... Youtube is your basis for wanting him?

Is that supposed to be some sort of a dig at me. Can i not give my opinion on a Youtube clip? I specifically point out at the start that its a youtube clip im watching. And the basis of me wanting him is that he COULD be a superstar with skills like that.

Is that a good enough answer for ya?

Dont answer that ^^^^.

Nuri Sahin

kryogen wrote: »

Youtube should never be the basis for wanting someone, but as someone who also watches South American football (pretty sure you do anyway!) do you not also think that he is quite a talented lad?

You know I do. I have my opinions on the player, and I won't disagree with what's already been said. In saying that, if the story is true about United's interest, I really don't understand the club's transfer policy as I've said a few times elsewhere. It's quite evident which positions need strengthening from my pov, not that I'd be complaining if you don't strengthen there of course

All that said, that's under my assumption Valencia and/or Nani are remaining at the club obviously.

My post was just making light note of said post quoted, as posts like that somewhat irritate as me as some here will probably testify to :P

Nuri Sahin

GSPfan wrote: »

Is that supposed to be some sort of a dig at me. Can i not give my opinion on a Youtube clip? I specifically point out at the start that its a youtube clip im watching. And the basis of me wanting him is that he COULD be a superstar with skills like that.

Is that a good enough answer for ya?

Dont answer that ^^^^.

It's very good. Ta.

s_carnage

What's the story with the Eriksen rumours? Although I know nothing about Lucas but from what I've read mainly here about him I'd much prefer us to sign Eriksen. Really like him and think he'd fit really well into a team with Kagawa playing off Rooney.

Is it likely that Eriksen would be moving this summer?

dahat

-Ade- wrote: »

You know I do. I have my opinions on the player, and I won't disagree with what's already been said. In saying that, if the story is true about United's interest, I really don't understand the club's transfer policy as I've said a few times elsewhere. It's quite evident which positions need strengthening from my pov, not that I'd be complaining if you don't strengthen there of course

All that said, that's under my assumption Valencia and/or Nani are remaining at the club obviously.

My post was just making light note of said post quoted, as posts like that somewhat irritate as me as some here will probably testify to :P

To me if we sign him it looks like the end for Nani if a good offer comes in,cannot see how all these forward/wingers can be accomadated.

kryogen

-Ade- wrote: »

I have my opinions on the player, and I won't disagree with what's already been said. In saying that, if the story is true about United's interest, I really don't understand the club's transfer policy as I've said a few times elsewhere. It's quite evident which positions need strengthening from my pov, not that I'd be complaining if you don't strengthen there of course

All that said, that's under my assumption Valencia and/or Nani are remaining at the club obviously.

My post was just making light note of said post quoted, as posts like that somewhat irritate as me as some here will probably testify to :P

If Nani is off then a move for Lucas makes sense more alright, but I don't see that, and I really don't see Fergie having a real interest in Lucas anyway for some reason, just doesn't seem like him or something

MANUTD99

kryogen wrote: »

If your point is to say Brazilians dont do it in Europe or top divisions I guess I should respond by listing

Kaka
Ronaldo
Ronaldinho
Gilberto Silva
Ze Roberto
Cafu
Roberto Carlos
Juninho
Dani Alves
Marcelo

.......Kleberson



Much like Neymar or Ganso or indeed Oscar, who I do think would be more suited to the English game even now, you don't know until you try! Could be the next Ronaldo, could be the next Denilson!

Fantastic,thats what 10,11 players you have listed from how many Brazilans that have tried to make it.

United at this stage should be paying for proven quality at Champions League Level. End of

Kylo Ren

kryogen wrote: »

If your point is to say Brazilians dont do it in Europe or top divisions I guess I should respond by listing

Kaka
Ronaldo
Ronaldinho
Gilberto Silva
Ze Roberto
Cafu
Roberto Carlos
Juninho
Dani Alves
Marcelo

.......Kleberson



Much like Neymar or Ganso or indeed Oscar, who I do think would be more suited to the English game even now, you don't know until you try! Could be the next Ronaldo, could be the next Denilson!

Thiago Silva too.

kryogen

s_carnage wrote: »

What's the story with the Eriksen rumours? Although I know nothing about Lucas but from what I've read mainly here about him I'd much prefer us to sign Eriksen. Really like him and think he'd fit really well into a team with Kagawa playing off Rooney.

Is it likely that Eriksen would be moving this summer?

Wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't move at all this year, the way he finished the season and his performances in the Euros threw a lot of cold water on the speculation about him.

kryogen

Keno 92 wrote: »

Thiago Silva too.

Ah sure there loads in reality boy! Could be here all night listing out the success and failures from South America

The_Kew_Tour

I hate when people get all aggressive from a simple post.

Ruins decent discussions sometimes.

kryogen

MANUTD99 wrote: »

Fantastic,thats what 10,11 players you have listed from how many Brazilans that have tried to make it.

United at this stage should be paying for proven quality at Champions League Level. End of

Ah the magical phrase, end of. Completely negates anything anybody else says doesnt it

I would say your wrong, but since you already said End of, I guess thats it.