Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12

IncognitoMan

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

We're going to the late night showing. Hopefully it won't be too bad then.

Unless everyone has the same idea

J. Marston

Rio doing....something.

Mikeyt086

Samich wrote: »

Lucas

Welcome to Manchester

Do you know something we don't, Sambo?

conor360

Mikeyt086 wrote: »

Do you know something we don't, Sambo?

I hope he's on about Lucas Moura not Lucas from Liverpool :cool:

daveyboy_1ie

Or Matt Lucas!!!

The more I think about it the less I like it. If he signs it means Nani is pretty much gone and I don't feel comfortable trading a prospect (albeit a great prospect) with a player who consistently produces more assists than most players in the league as well as chip in with important goals himself.

GSPfan

Have my tickets booked for Vue Liffey Valley at 23:40 tonight. Will need a nap after work today.

If it came down to getting either RVP or Lucas, who would you rather? Neither are the player we think we need but i would opt for Lucas. Youth and potential are on his side.

statto25

The new Away kit is being launched today. Nothing on Manutd.com or any of the sports retailers site though. Seems to be very low key?

FutureGuy

So apparently we ARE in for a LB after all...

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11667/7918253/Fergie-won-t-be-left-short

Asked if he (SAF) would be signing a left-back he confirmed: "Yes. We have two young lads we gave a bit of time to against AmaZulu [their first pre-season friendly] but they are young.

"Patrice will be all right. He's shown he has a resilience about him and has a great attitude to playing, but he is 31 next month."

Ferguson admitted it can be an issue attracting a player when he has to compete with Evra - who is a virtual ever-present when fit.

"That's a possibility," he said.

"But we are not at the stage where we're assessing that. It's not an easy decision to make."

Mitch Connor

GSPfan wrote: »

Have my tickets booked for Vue Liffey Valley at 23:40 tonight. Will need a nap after work today.

If it came down to getting either RVP or Lucas, who would you rather? Neither are the player we think we need but i would opt for Lucas. Youth and potential are on his side.

Saw it on wednesday.

Suck it.

sob1467

Eathrin wrote: »

What do people think of Berba as a Cm?
Realistic or just a fantasy?

You can get away not tracking back as a striker but if you don't track back as a centre mid your team will be in serious trouble.

Don't get me wrong the man, has a great touch and can pass but can't see him busting him gut for 90 minutes which is what cms must do.

Also he'd have to learn to tackle.

Mitch Connor

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Saw it on wednesday.

Suck it.

Like when you sucked off Ben Affleck?

GSPfan

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Saw it on wednesday.

Suck it.

Damn you to hell.

Lord TSC

J. Marston wrote: »

Rio doing....something.

"Nawh man, I'm not a racist. Look, here's me proving how not racist I am with my friend from Africa! He's a proper magnum like me....OH GOD, DON'T PRINT THAT!"

Leftist

Sir has absolutely nailed dalglish

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/9412911/Manchester-United-manager-Sir-Alex-Ferguson-claims-Luis-Suarez-racism-row-cost-Kenny-Dalglish-his-job.html

“I wasn’t surprised at Kenny leaving,” Ferguson said. “I think that the Suarez incident, [Liverpool owner] John Henry has obviously looked at that and felt it wasn’t handled in the right way.

the wizard still has it. :cool:

Will I Amnt

conor360 wrote: »

I hope he's on about Lucas Moura not Lucas from Liverpool :cool:

Lucas Leiva would be a far better fit for us than Lucas Moura assuming we are not losing any wingers to transfers.

Copper_pipe

http://www.goal.com/en-ie/news/3919/exclusive/2012/07/20/3253240/manchester-united-target-sahin-as-frustrations-grow-over

If we dont get Lucas then maybe this guy?

DM_7

United, City and Juve all bid for RVP according to BBC.

if United get him (won't though) the squad will be stacked.

well, if you exclude midfield that is!

ScummyMan

@bbcsport_david: "Arsenal receive bids from #mcfc, #mufc & Juventus. He will not go on pre-season tour: http://bbc.in/OLMEhr #bbcfootball #afc"


Hmmmmmm...

homerjay2005

We (along with Juve and City) have had bids rejected for RVP according to the BBC and our lucas bid has been rejected also.

i wonder how does it work, lets say both were accepted, would we pull out of one or does that mean we have about 60million euro to spend?

both deals are strange but would make us a hell of a lot more exciting to watch next season if it happened.

ScummyMan

Is there an actual source for our bid for Lucas or is it all twitter/Daily Fail talk?

Pj!

Great to hear we are actually in for him. Amazed really.

Come on Van Persie, you know it makes sense!!


prepares for disappointment

DM_7

Homer, where do you see that tne bids were rejected?

Copper_pipe

http://www.givemefootball.com/premier-league/united-city-bid-for-van-persie?state=5b0de4062ba444a4b2b49c84e44fc7a9&code=AQD1dGsMfukoZTLoJMZ8-ndw1cLwL9uWdpoXa96GlSMFsKBJY9CsNeTohX9c_6y7G2wwRxFbQf9hHHt7balr04IHoBz5DKaffgJfVZyHulLagLOaFveHLRKPdH13NoRxsdd40wcMWpwJq9_4myFQYsyLaFuumoN-4jyC_VF8YdWMfXNvN82NfuxPIEHUBcmW7arUawEXBMt80bXXwkofzPFJ#_=_

MagicMarker

Wow... well, it will be interesting to see if Arsenal let him go, and if so it'll be interesting to see who he chooses to go to.

Some people seem to think the choice between City and Utd is an obvious one, I don't think it is.

Donnielighto

homerjay2005 wrote: »

i wonder how does it work, lets say both were accepted, would we pull out of one or does that mean we have about 60million euro to spend?

If we get the pair of them we move onto our next target, a cm, I'm thinkin Yaya.



We could pull out of the 2nd deal if we get word on one. Unlikely they are both going to phone us at the same time.

kryogen

The conspiracy theorist in me says that the club knows we won't be getting RVP or Lucas so are bidding for PR reasons to try to prove the club has loads of money while actually not having to worry about paying for said players

/tinfoil hat on

homerjay2005

DM-ICE wrote: »

Homer, where do you see that tne bids were rejected?

BBC put up the RVP story a few mins ago, Sky put up the Lucas one about 30 mins ago.

so i guess that means both transfers are true. total bids so far are £27m and £15 million according to both links.

that would be roughly equal to the £55-£60million we spent last year (including kagawa and powell).

GSPfan

Having a Robin Van Persie would ease the burden on Wayne Rooney. Rooney is played so much and is rushed back from injury every time. It would be nice to have another Match Winner up front that can drag us through games. Thats something i feel only Rooney can give us in the squad at the moment.
In saying that, cant see it happening and wont be gutted either.

Ashbourne hoop

kryogen wrote: »

The conspiracy theorist in me says that the club knows we won't be getting RVP or Lucas so are bidding for PR reasons to try to prove the club has loads of money while actually not having to worry about paying for said players

/tinfoil hat on

I was thinking the exact same to be honest, especially with the IPO coming up which is not expected to raise as much as was first hoped. Over-cynical ?

homerjay2005

RedRants ‏@Red_Rants
Apparently United have completed the signing of RvP. Clubs plan to announce it tomorrow after medical tonight #mufc #dontshootthemessenger

be prepared that this will grow legs and message boards and all forms of social media will go into meltdown as this gains momentum

i wouldnt expect anything to happen for a long time yet regarding rvp and my money would be on the following -

Wenger refusing to allow him to go to City, Juve outbidding United.

FutureGuy

homerjay2005 wrote: »

be prepared that this will grow legs and message boards and all forms of social media will go into meltdown as this gains momentum

i wouldnt expect anything to happen for a long time yet regarding rvp and my money would be on the following -

Wenger refusing to allow him to go to City, Juve outbidding United.

My expectation would be similar...Wenger refusing to let RvP go to City after the Nasri debacle, United outbidding Juve, but RvP going to Juve instead of a PL rival.

homerjay2005

Ashbourne hoop wrote: »

I was thinking the exact same to be honest, especially with the IPO coming up which is not expected to raise as much as was first hoped. Over-cynical ?

see, that is possible and to be honest it has came into my head a few times before, like Sneijder last year for example. alot of people have this view, especially the real anti Glazer brigade.

however, the story that we were sure of getting Hazard and he was shown around the facilities is true according to Miguel Delaney, whose word i would take as gospal to be honest.

my fear is that like last year, United will give up if the offers are not accepted and then we are left with nothing. the key thing however is, can you honestly see Fergie taking part in this? his reputation within the game suggests he is in no way inclined to mess with players like this and waste time on mind games and PR.

Blatter

It could be just a ploy to push the price up for City too.

DM_7

I don't think United would ever act in the way some people are suggesting.

If they did angry chairmen would be tellling the world, United are making bids and then just pulling out. It would destroy confidence other teams have when dealing with United and commercially it would be a disaster. How many companies would want to be involved with a football team that acts like that? Maybe chicken farmers in india.

Big time companies like DHL? No way.

united are not messing about.

SlickRic

Leftist wrote: »

Sir has absolutely nailed dalglish

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/9412911/Manchester-United-manager-Sir-Alex-Ferguson-claims-Luis-Suarez-racism-row-cost-Kenny-Dalglish-his-job.html

the wizard still has it. :cool:

um, hardly.

anyone with any intelligence knows that cost Kenny his job, at least in part.

homerjay2005

SlickRic wrote: »

anyone with any intelligence knows that cost Kenny his job, at least in part.

ya right. when i suggested this last January, i was lashed out of it by Liverpool fans for even daring to say this was the case.

there are alot of liverpool fans who believe he did nothing wrong with that entire case and it was his transfers and selections that cost him, leading of course then to bad results.

PhlegmyMoses

kryogen wrote: »

The conspiracy theorist in me says that the club knows we won't be getting RVP or Lucas so are bidding for PR reasons to try to prove the club has loads of money while actually not having to worry about paying for said players

/tinfoil hat on

Yeah, this is mental. I'm sure the club would damage relations with a plethora of other clubs by unsettling their players or offering money they were never willing to pay.

homerjay2005

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

Yeah, this is mental. I'm sure the club would damage relations with a plethora of other clubs by unsettling their players or offering money they were never willing to pay.

well see they can do it simply by knowing full well a club wont sell for less than lest say £20million, but offering £17million.

the offer can be genuine, just united know its never going to be accepted. as i said though, i doubt Fergie would be interested in that s*it and United have a turnover of around £300million, they dont need PR like fake transfers, its on pitch results that generate more money than anything else.

PhlegmyMoses

Exactly. Although Fergie is no longer involved in transfers, he would be involved enough to know if that stuff was going on.

Anyway, it's far more likely that because of the money situation, they are trying to get players on the cheap. I'd say they set certain budgets before negotiations for players and refuse to exceed them.

SlickRic

homerjay2005 wrote: »

ya right. when i suggested this last January, i was lashed out of it by Liverpool fans for even daring to say this was the case.

there are alot of liverpool fans who believe he did nothing wrong with that entire case and it was his transfers and selections that cost him, leading of course then to bad results.

yup, there are fans who believe that, but they're not John Henry.

the argument here isn't whether he did anything wrong anyway; the argument is that John Henry didn't take kindly to the handling of it, which is what partly cost Kenny his job. I remember Henry taking a trip over at the height of it, and Kenny making a statement not too long after backtracking quite a bit.

transfers, selections and results also had a huge part to play i'd say, as FSG said they wanted 4th, and we were nowhere near.

anyway, this is the Utd thread sorry all.

i just wanted to point out that Fergie saying what that the Suarez case cost Kenny his job wasn't in any way wizadry on his part. it was plain as day Henry didn't take kindly to Dalglish's tactics in the Suarez case.

Leftist

united don't have to offer the money, they just have to let the press get on with it. Leak a few 'insider' tips etc. Child's play. The support will then keep regurgitating the news.

There is a genuine united forum that these newspapers take their news from.

news from united supporters, sometimes it's as obvious as the nose on sir's face.

Leftist

SlickRic wrote: »

i just wanted to point out that Fergie saying what that the Suarez case cost Kenny his job wasn't in any way wizadry on his part. it was plain as day Henry didn't take kindly to Dalglish's tactics in the Suarez case.

one of saf's old nicknames was the wizard. Anyone following united for more than a few years would be aware of that.

SlickRic

Leftist wrote: »

one of saf's old nicknames was the wizard. Anyone following united for more than a few years would be aware of that.

1) i don't support Utd, so i didn't have a clue.

2) awesome, then it's a stupid nickname so

Pro. F

SlickRic wrote: »

yup, there are fans who believe that, but they're not John Henry.

the argument here isn't whether he did anything wrong anyway; the argument is that John Henry didn't take kindly to the handling of it, which is what partly cost Kenny his job. I remember Henry taking a trip over at the height of it, and Kenny making a statement not too long after backtracking quite a bit.

transfers, selections and results also had a huge part to play i'd say, as FSG said they wanted 4th, and we were nowhere near.

anyway, this is the Utd thread sorry all.

i just wanted to point out that Fergie saying what that the Suarez case cost Kenny his job wasn't in any way wizadry on his part. it was plain as day Henry didn't take kindly to Dalglish's tactics in the Suarez case.

It's still a shìt stirring kind or dig to point that out though. A dig at Kenny and an annoyance for those more biased Liverpool fans who still want to believe that Kenny handled it all well.

I'm not usually into the bitching that gets called mind games, but I enjoyed this bit of bitching from Fergie I must say.

Leftist

SlickRic wrote: »

1) i don't support Utd, so i didn't have a clue.

2) awesome, then it's a stupid nickname so

brilliant. Well done.

dahat

Landing both RVP and Lucas would immense but are they really needed or are we just CM obsessed in here????
Homer made a fair point regarding CM a few days ago and this now looks like how Fergie sees it.
I do believe that if Lucas comes i can see Nani being surplas to requirements and put on the market,a pity but having two flair players is not Fergie's way i think.

Pj!

A number of sources including the Independent have always said that Juventus is Van Persie's first choice.

What's the likelihood that United can offer sufficiently more to change his mind if this is so?
And if Utd do offer more, what are the chances that they will match what City offer.
And if they can match City, what are the chances that Van Persie will choose Utd over City?

Jimmy Iovine

The Guardian are saying United didn't match the 20 million bid. They probably lodged a bid of around 8 or 9 million for the laugh :P.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jul/20/arsenal-manchester-united-robin-van-persie?CMP=twt_gu

IamtheWalrus

Jimmy Iovine wrote: »

The Guardian are saying United didn't match the 20 million bid. They probably lodged a bid of around 8 or 9 million for the laugh :P.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jul/20/arsenal-manchester-united-robin-van-persie?CMP=twt_gu

If they have bid for him I expect a deal to be thrashed out. Utd have always bid low (as you do) and then increase it.

greendom

Pro. F wrote: »

It's still a shìt stirring kind or dig to point that out though. A dig at Kenny and an annoyance for those more biased Liverpool fans who still want to believe that Kenny handled it all well.

I'm not usually into the bitching that gets called mind games, but I enjoyed this bit of bitching from Fergie I must say.

It's probably pay-back for Suarez digging the whole thing back up again.