Manchester United Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 11/12

Predalien

Blatter wrote: »

When was the last time RVP was out for more than a couple of weeks through injury? Actually when was the last time he missed a game through injury?

I keep hearing he's injury prone, and while he was in the past, I've heard very little about him picking up injuries overthe last 18 months.

Yeah last eighteen months he's been mostly fine, it's the decade or so prior to that people are worried about.

Blatter

Predalien wrote: »

Yeah last eighteen months he's been mostly fine, it's the decade or so prior to that people are worried about.

I know, his full injury record should be taken into consideration somewhat but surely you'd place more weight on his last 18 months or so as an indication for the future?

Kylo Ren

Blatter wrote: »

When was the last time RVP was out for more than a couple of weeks through injury? Actually when was the last time he missed a game through injury?

I keep hearing he's injury prone, and while he was in the past, I've heard very little about him picking up injuries overthe last 18 months.

The season before last he picked up a good few injuries. He missed September-November in 2010 iirc.

DM_7

Predalien wrote: »

Maybe we're bidding so that Man City end up paying more?

Do Arsenal really need another club bidding to push up the asking price when Man City come calling?

Would any team pushing up the price City have to pay damage them in any way?

I don't think so.

Blatter

Keno 92 wrote: »

The season before last he picked up a good few injuries. He missed September-November in 2010 iirc.

Yeah, he had a dreadful injury record up until then but my point is that he hasn't really been injured post Xmas 2010. That's a long time for an 'injury prone' player to go without injury.

cdb

KaiserGunner wrote: »

Im just curious, but how are Arsenal playing a very dangerous game holding out for as much money as they can get? If Man City are serious about getting RVP and are willing to splash the cash required than RVP would sign for them ahead of Man Utd if Man Utd cant come to an agreement with Arsenal, even if he had a preference to sign for you. They can offer him ridiculous wages and its not like Man City arent ambitious (something which RVP claims Arsenal lack).

Naturally Arsenal are going to try to get as much as they can for him and thats to be expected but what I was getting at is that RVP is in a very strong position contract wise. If and again its an 'if' he has decided to join a certain team but their offer is rejected what is to stop him seeing out his contract and leaving for free. Without a transfer fee attached he'd be looking at silly money. Granted City can and probably will make a ridiculous offer but if he refuses to join them and Arsenal dig their heels for £20 million...

IvySlayer

He has what 1 season in 8 where he's managed to stay injury free?

alchemist33

DM-ICE wrote: »

Do Arsenal really need another club bidding to push up the asking price when Man City come calling?

Would any team pushing up the price City have to pay damage them in any way?

I don't think so.

Only if they're concerned about FFP. Which they probably aren't.

Samich

IvySlayer wrote: »

He has what 1 season in 8 where he's managed to stay injury free?

Or depending on what way you look at it, 1 season in 1 :P

Blatter

IvySlayer wrote: »

He has what 1 season in 8 where he's managed to stay injury free?

Well that's the worst spin you could possibly put on it. I would consider the fact that he's stayed virtually injury free for the last 18 months far more pertinent.

Nalz

hi

Blatter

Trilla wrote: »

hi

Where the feck were you?

Welcome back

daveyboy_1ie

Welcome back Trilla

bucketybuck

DARK-KNIGHT wrote: »

I know it would shackle Rooney but he is so creative and dogged in chasing ball down maybe CM could be suited to him

I believe Alan Smith would like a word with you...

Pro. F

Hey Trill. You're back just in time to enjoy Fergie's massive transfer trolling that he's in the middle of. It's impressive.

Kylo Ren

Blatter wrote: »

Yeah, he had a dreadful injury record up until then but my point is that he hasn't really been injured post Xmas 2010. That's a long time for an 'injury prone' player to go without injury.

Yes but you really have to take into account his dreadful past. As this is his real first injury free season we can't jump to the "Oh he's injury free now". This season will be telling in that regard.

Nalz

just bring on 20th Aug 20:00 Goodison park!

Bannerman7

First post here lads.:D
I dont think we need RVP, as said already we have enought talent up front. IMHO we need a left back & midfielder, I think Evra's defending was very poor last couple of seasons. Will give the boss benefit re world class midfielder as what money is there is paying the interest on club debt's.:mad:

IvySlayer

Hi Paul :P

Pro. F

Bannerman7 wrote: »

First post here lads.:D
I dont think we need RVP, as said already we have enought talent up front. IMHO we need a left back & midfielder, I think Evra's defending was very poor last couple of seasons. Will give the boss benefit re world class midfielder as what money is there is paying the interest on club debt's.:mad:

Welcome.

You might have to stop giving Fergie the benefit of the doubt re money available if he ends up splurging on another forward, like the rumours threaten that he might. We'll have to wait and see I suppose.

titan18

Bannerman7 wrote: »

First post here lads.:D
I dont think we need RVP, as said already we have enought talent up front. IMHO we need a left back & midfielder, I think Evra's defending was very poor last couple of seasons. Will give the boss benefit re world class midfielder as what money is there is paying the interest on club debt's.:mad:

As good as Hernandez and Welbeck are, they are not RVP. We don't need him, but he definitely improves the team. He's one of the best forwards in the world, he'd start in any side imo

Pro. F

titan18 wrote: »

As good as Hernandez and Welbeck are, they are not RVP. We don't need him, but he definitely improves the team. He's one of the best forwards in the world, he'd start in any side imo

He's not better than Rooney or Kagawa though.

Samich

Pro. F wrote: »

He's not better than Rooney or Kagawa though.

It's not as clear cut as you make it sound. Playing with players like Gervinho and Ramsay and still banging them in. Takes doing.

Giggsy11

Steve Bartram ‏@stevebartram1

Sir Alex Ferguson confirms that #MUFC have bid for Robin van Persie. "We've shown an interest but there are other clubs interested."

Ferguson "

AFC have given it out we've made a bid for van Persie, we've tried to keep it as close to a moment that we could conclude a deal"

Whatsisname

Goal.com are reporting an interest in Sahin. I'd love to see him at United, played with Kagawa before and with Madrid seemingly having Modric in the bag, I think we could get him for cheap enough.

Hunter Mahan

As far as I know Welbeck still hasn't signed the contract offered to him, which may be a reason United bid for RVP.
Either way, no one can tell me that he wouldn't improve the team.

http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2012/Jul/sir-alex-ferguson-confirms-robin-van-persie-bid.aspx

Kylo Ren

Whatsisname wrote: »

Goal.com are reporting an interest in Sahin. I'd love to see him at United, played with Kagawa before and with Madrid seemingly having Modric in the bag, I think we could get him for cheap enough.

I wouldn't count on it. Only there a year, is there till 2017 and is an amazing talent.

Giggsy11

Boss on van Persie bid

Sir Alex Ferguson has confirmed making a bid for Arsenal captain Robin van Persie.

The Gunners' skipper has refused to sign a new contract at the Emirates Stadium and is also said to be interesting Juventus and Manchester City.

"Obviously Arsenal have given out the fact that we've made a bid for him," the manager told MUTV.

"We try to keep business as close as possible to us until the moment we conclude a deal. There's no point talking about something that might not happen.

"There are other clubs interested in the player. We've shown an interest and that's where we're at at the moment."

http://www.manutd.com/en/News-And-Features/Football-News/2012/Jul/sir-alex-ferguson-confirms-robin-van-persie-bid.aspx

Jax Teller

I didn't believe we made a bid till now .

Professional Griefer

Yeah, I'm surprised tbh.

Pro. F

Samich wrote: »

It's not as clear cut as you make it sound. Playing with players like Gervinho and Ramsay and still banging them in. Takes doing.

Arsenal have a lot of players who are good on the ball and make a very fluid and effective attack. Their problems are more defensive. But RVP is definitely world class, I'm not denying that.

However, he is still not what you would call an improvement on Rooney or Kagawa (I only mention Kagawa he is the specialist number 10). All three are world class. Trying to squeeze all three into the one team is a ridiculous waste of money unless you are going to go with a wingerless formation. Which would in turn be a waste of money because we have such a talented collection of wingers. Having any of those three on the bench is also a ridiculous waste of money.

Jax Teller

Why did he come out now and confirm it ? Like last season when everyone was saying were signing Sneijder he never came and confirmed it or rubbished it .

Samich

Well no one can say for sure we aren't after Lucas now either

Samich

Coletrickle88 wrote: »

Why did he come out now and confirm it ? Like last season when everyone was saying were signing Sneijder he never came and confirmed it or rubbished it .

Arsenal released the news so can't really rubbish it.

Professey Chin

I think SAF's gone to a place of "Score 8 goals against every team! Fcuk the rest!!"

Giggsy11

Am I the only one who thinks that this is a smokescreen for signing someone else? I mean when was the last time SAF confirmed making a bid for a player?

Samich

Giggsy11 wrote: »

Am I the only one who thinks that this is a smokescreen for signing someone else? I mean when was the last time SAF confirmed making a bid for a player?

well what else can he do? :P Arsenal confirmed it :P

Giggsy11

Samich wrote: »

well what else can he do? :P Arsenal confirmed it :P

But he never came out to confirm the bid, so I'm just thinking it might be...

TheTownie

Pro. F wrote: »

Arsenal have a lot of players who are good on the ball and make a very fluid and effective attack. Their problems are more defensive. But RVP is definitely world class, I'm not denying that.

However, he is still not what you would call an improvement on Rooney or Kagawa (I only mention Kagawa he is the specialist number 10). All three are world class. Trying to squeeze all three into the one team is a ridiculous waste of money unless you are going to go with a wingerless formation. Which would in turn be a waste of money because we have such a talented collection of wingers. Having any of those three on the bench is also a ridiculous waste of money.

If we sign RVP, which I don't think will happen, he'll shunt Kagawa out on the left.

Granted he plays there for his country but I don't think you'd get the best out of him there.

Samich

Giggsy11 wrote: »

But he never came out to confirm the bid, so I'm just thinking it might be...

I'm sure he was asked about Arsenals comments, and he can't say they're lieing.

TheTownie

Samich wrote: »

I'm sure he was asked about Arsenals comments, and he can't say they're lieing.

TBF its MUTV, it was hardly sprung on him.

Samich

TheTownie wrote: »

TBF its MUTV, it was hardly sprung on him.

I'm not sure what else he could have said? :P

Jax Teller

Samich wrote: »

I'm not sure what else he could have said? :P

He could have said nothing and they would have edited the question out of the press conference .

titan18

Pro. F wrote: »

He's not better than Rooney or Kagawa though.

Imo, he's better than Kagawa. I'd say he's equal to Rooney, but I think both could play together quite well.

If we do manage to sign him, obviously it's a problem as between Rooney, RVP, Kagawa, Nani and Valencia you have 5 players who should be playing and then Hernandez, Young, Welbeck etc who are also good enough, but tbh if Kagawa has to sit on the bench or play on the left cos we sign RVP, then so be it, if he can prove in training, that he deserves to play then that competition for places is a good thing. Not having to rely on Rooney to score everything would be nice too

TheTownie

titan18 wrote: »

Imo, he's better than Kagawa. I'd say he's equal to Rooney, but I think both could play together quite well.

Would it be fair to say you'd prefer RVP over Kagawa?

Because in the No.10 role, Kagawa's role, Kagawa is better than RVP.

Samich

Coletrickle88 wrote: »

He could have said nothing and they would have edited the question out of the press conference .

Arsenal let the news slip, so would be no use avoiding it.

keane2097

I will remove the erstwhile from my signature if United sign Van Persie.

tupac_healy

Somewhat surprised we actually bid for rvp, id have him in a heartbeat but after we fix what's broken

markc1184

Could there be some sort of method to SAF's madness by coming out publically and saying United have bid? Sort of get into the players head type thing? Let him know That he is wanted.

That, or SAF and Wenger's new found freindship has got to a stage were they will help each other out in cases like this to try and start an auction for the player! I know this is highly unlikely!

titan18

TheTownie wrote: »

Would it be fair to say you'd prefer RVP over Kagawa?

Because in the No.10 role, Kagawa's role, Kagawa is better than RVP.

Definitely would prefer him.