Priests furious at inspection into 'gay-friendly' Irish college

Winty

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/priests-furious-at-inspection-into-gayfriendly-irish-college-3139991.html

A GROUP representing more than 800 priests last night reacted with anger to a highly critical Vatican inspection of the Irish College in Rome.The report, by the Archbishop of New York, Cardinal Timothy Dolan, has called for substantial reform at the institution which educates students for the priesthood.It expressed concern about the staffing, as well as the atmosphere and philosophy of the college.Cardinal Dolan found that the college "suffers from the reputation of being gay friendly, however unjust such a reputation might be".The report criticises Ireland's four Catholic archbishops -- the trustees of the college -- and alleges that staff were critical of any emphasis on the teaching authority of the church.
The archbishops issued a statement saying they were presented with an initial Vatican report which contained "some serious errors of fact". They refused to elaborate.However, the Association of Catholic Priests (ACP) last night said the report had "effectively destroyed" the reputation of the four priests involved with the college."It is unacceptable that a report to the Pope, on a sensitive issue, should be conducted in such an incompetent fashion," the group said. "No court of law would treat people in such a way."The report was carried out by Cardinal Dolan as part of the apostolic visitation into some dioceses, seminaries and religious institutions last year.It criticised the four archbishops -- Cardinal Sean Brady, Archbishop Diarmuid Martin, Archbishop Michael Neary and Archbishop Dermot Clifford.It is alleged that they were disengaged from college governance, with irregular meetings, minutes and agenda.
Last night, Taoiseach Enda Kenny and Tanaiste Eamon Gilmore welcomed the Papal Legate Cardinal Mark Ouellet, Cardinal Brady and Archbishop Martin to a reception in Dublin Castle -- but there was no comment on the report. The report also reportedly recommended a change in the staff.
The ACP called on the bishops "to publicly repudiate this report in the strongest possible terms and to support the priests".
"Cardinal Dolan's report not only undermines the reputation of priests who have not been given a right of reply, it also undermines the credibility of the whole visitation process," the ACP said.
"It would appear that, in undertaking this particular visitation, conclusions were effectively drawn beforehand and then evidence to support them was actively sought."The Archdiocese of New York said Cardinal Dolan was not available for comment.

This report is so unfair

What is gay about a bunch of single men with no interest in woman living in a big house and dressing up in long flowing gouns?

Just besause the top boy in the house likes to wear loads of jewerly and likes the other boys to tell him all their secrets and whisper examples in his ear so he can made them do punishments is not gay no way Jose no way...

Pushtrak

A GROUP representing more than 800 priests last night reacted with anger to a highly critical Vatican inspection of the Irish College in Rome.The report, by the Archbishop of New York, Cardinal Timothy Dolan, has called for substantial reform at the institution which educates students for the priesthood.It expressed concern about the staffing, as well as the atmosphere and philosophy of the college.Cardinal Dolan found that the college "suffers from the reputation of being gay friendly, however unjust such a reputation might be".The report criticises Ireland's four Catholic archbishops -- the trustees of the college -- and alleges that staff were critical of any emphasis on the teaching authority of the church.

The archbishops issued a statement saying they were presented with an initial Vatican report which contained "some serious errors of fact". They refused to elaborate.However, the Association of Catholic Priests (ACP) last night said the report had "effectively destroyed" the reputation of the four priests involved with the college."It is unacceptable that a report to the Pope, on a sensitive issue, should be conducted in such an incompetent fashion," the group said. "No court of law would treat people in such a way."The report was carried out by Cardinal Dolan as part of the apostolic visitation into some dioceses, seminaries and religious institutions last year.It criticised the four archbishops -- Cardinal Sean Brady, Archbishop Diarmuid Martin, Archbishop Michael Neary and Archbishop Dermot Clifford.It is alleged that they were disengaged from college governance, with irregular meetings, minutes and agenda.

Last night, Taoiseach Enda Kenny and Tanaiste Eamon Gilmore welcomed the Papal Legate Cardinal Mark Ouellet, Cardinal Brady and Archbishop Martin to a reception in Dublin Castle -- but there was no comment on the report. The report also reportedly recommended a change in the staff. The ACP called on the bishops "to publicly repudiate this report in the strongest possible terms and to support the priests". "Cardinal Dolan's report not only undermines the reputation of priests who have not been given a right of reply, it also undermines the credibility of the whole visitation process," the ACP said. "It would appear that, in undertaking this particular visitation, conclusions were effectively drawn beforehand and then evidence to support them was actively sought."The Archdiocese of New York said Cardinal Dolan was not available for comment.

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DonQuay1

Winty wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/priests-furious-at-inspection-into-gayfriendly-irish-college-3139991.html


This report is so unfair

What is gay about a bunch of single men with no interest in woman living in a big house and dressing up in long flowing gouns?

Just besause the top boy in the house likes to wear loads of jewerly and likes the other boys to tell him all their secrets and whisper examples in his ear so he can made them do punishments is not gay no way Jose no way...

Look - if some of them want to take advantage of the hospitality of the KatholiK Khurch and they want to ro ide the arze of each other - I have no problem with that. It's a free world (mostly, maybe) so once they're not bothering others or children with it - where's the harm?
On the other hand - if I go out hunting for 'a bit' of a friday night - I don't have my digs, bed, food, drink and birth control sponsored by a world wide parish of eejits dipping their hands into their own pockets.

If they want to start a band (possible names: AlteredBoyz, Kribz'n'theHood, White Collar Workers) or make some exotic liquer (Possible names: Bum Steer, PaddyLicq, Priestli Quer) for sale to the public to pay for their fun and / or repay the 'eejits' that's subsidising them - then that would be a bit of a gesture.

The Gayness ain't a problem for me - using money from my mothers will to subsidise their fun and games - is.

eth0

Great bunch of lads

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Can someone please read this and tell me should I be outraged, shamed, bigoted, calling Joe or just not bothered?

1ZRed

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Can someone please read this and tell me should I be outraged, shamed, bigoted, calling Joe or just not bothered?

It's not a big deal at all it's just some closeted homophobe priests attacking the college for being too gay friendly.


I'm sure you've heard of this kind of crap coming their way thousands of times before.

Overthrow

A GROUP representing more than 800 priests last night reacted with anger to a highly critical Vatican inspection of the Irish College in Rome.The report, by the Archbishop of New York, Cardinal Timothy Dolan, has called for substantial reform at the institution which educates students for the priesthood.It expressed concern about the staffing, as well as the atmosphere and philosophy of the college.Cardinal Dolan found that the college "suffers from the reputation of being gay friendly, however unjust such a reputation might be".The report criticises Ireland's four Catholic archbishops -- the trustees of the college -- and alleges that staff were critical of any emphasis on the teaching authority of the church.

The archbishops issued a statement saying they were presented with an initial Vatican report which contained "some serious errors of fact". They refused to elaborate.However, the Association of Catholic Priests (ACP) last night said the report had "effectively destroyed" the reputation of the four priests involved with the college."It is unacceptable that a report to the Pope, on a sensitive issue, should be conducted in such an incompetent fashion," the group said. "No court of law would treat people in such a way."The report was carried out by Cardinal Dolan as part of the apostolic visitation into some dioceses, seminaries and religious institutions last year.It criticised the four archbishops -- Cardinal Sean Brady, Archbishop Diarmuid Martin, Archbishop Michael Neary and Archbishop Dermot Clifford.It is alleged that they were disengaged from college governance, with irregular meetings, minutes and agenda.

Last night, Taoiseach Enda Kenny and Tanaiste Eamon Gilmore welcomed the Papal Legate Cardinal Mark Ouellet, Cardinal Brady and Archbishop Martin to a reception in Dublin Castle -- but there was no comment on the report. The report also reportedly recommended a change in the staff. The ACP called on the bishops "to publicly repudiate this report in the strongest possible terms and to support the priests". "Cardinal Dolan's report not only undermines the reputation of priests who have not been given a right of reply, it also undermines the credibility of the whole visitation process," the ACP said. "It would appear that, in undertaking this particular visitation, conclusions were effectively drawn beforehand and then evidence to support them was actively sought."The Archdiocese of New York said Cardinal Dolan was not available for comment.

Gooby pls

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

1ZRed wrote: »

It's not a big deal at all it's just some closeted homophobe priests attacking the college for being too gay friendly.


I'm sure you've heard of this kind of crap coming their way thousands of times before.

Of course, but I still don;t know what to think!

getz

did someone see them cumming

yizorselves

Who cares what Priests think.

Bunch of bloody fruit salesmen!

Opticom

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Can someone please read this and tell me should I be outraged, shamed, bigoted, calling Joe or just not bothered?

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Of course, but I still don;t know what to think!

News is slow on the catholic bashing front this week, it's the best that can be done.

Biggins

Last night, Taoiseach Enda Kenny and Tanaiste Eamon Gilmore welcomed the Papal Legate Cardinal Mark Ouellet, Cardinal Brady and Archbishop Martin to a reception in Dublin Castle

I'm disgusted that they are even in the same room as Sean Brady but its the type of rotten action I have come to expect from the schites that is Kenny and Gilmore!

Ghost Buster

Opticom wrote: »

News is slow on the catholic bashing front this week, it's the best that can be done.

News is also slow on the looking to feel oppressed front as well if you think this is catholic bashing.

christmas2012

Religion is a dying institution because it fails to move with the times..

Pushtrak

christmas2012 wrote: »

Religion is a dying institution because it fails to move with the times..

Actually, that isn't really true. Religion has survived because some people have changed it with the times, and some people just have no grasp on reality. If it didn't move with the times, we'd be seeing people being killed for all manner of things that are not to the liking of holy books.

Logical Fallacy

christmas2012 wrote: »

Religion is a dying institution because it fails to move with the times..

Interesting concept. A look at the evidence suggests that religion is not dying and most likely never will.

Deus Ex Machina

Winty wrote: »

What is gay about a bunch of single men with no interest in woman living in a big house and dressing up in long flowing gouns?

Just besause the top boy in the house likes to wear loads of jewerly and likes the other boys to tell him all their secrets and whisper examples in his ear so he can made them do punishments is not gay no way Jose no way...

What are you saying here, do you think all priests are gay or something? You sound like a total idiot.

Biggins

Pushtrak wrote: »

Actually, that isn't really true. Religion has survived because some people have changed it with the times, and some people just have no grasp on reality. If it didn't move with the times, we'd be seeing people being killed for all manner of things that are not to the liking of holy books.

I would mention that I think religion has in name survived in fact also because people are technically ignoring the out of date, frankly rubbish and fairy tale parts of it while for many reasons (a number of them having to do with family tradition and stigma's passed around) they remain in technicality part of that religion - if not in every day practise or full hearted belief.

...That and the fact that for one religion you can supposedly be stoned to death for leaving it and for another (Rome) that now won't even allow you to legally leave it!

christmas2012

Logical Fallacy wrote: »

Interesting concept. A look at the evidence suggests that religion is not dying and most likely never will.

when more and more people see it for the ignorance it spreads they will move away from it..

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

christmas2012 wrote: »

when more and more people see it for the ignorance it spreads they will move away from it..

In this country, yes, but we've just changed our God for the Cult of Celebrity, and our church for ITV1 on a Saturday night.

Religion is about keeping people ignorant and that still happens today despite the amount of information available to people.

Opticom

Ghost Buster wrote: »

News is also slow on the looking to feel oppressed front as well if you think this is catholic bashing.

Strawman . . . they are made of . . . straw

DEFTLEFTHAND

christmas2012 wrote: »

when more and more people see it for the ignorance it spreads they will move away from it..

I'd be very sceptical of that ever happening. Are you suggesting that all the world religions will cease to exist?

Ellis Dee

What's wromg with a college being gay-friendly? Isn't there quite enough homophobia in the world, not least in that organisation headed by Protector of Paedophiles Everywhere Beingadick XIV in Rome?:rolleyes:

Those students are all of age and, provided both or all involved in a bit of slap and tickle are also consenting, where's the harm in it? I never heard of the daisy chain and soggy biscuit parties at Maynooth causing any harm to society at large.;);)

What the kiddy-fiddler church needs to tackle is paedophiles in its ranks, not gays.:)

1ZRed

getz wrote: »

did someone see them cumming

No I really didn't see them coming at all!......oh wait...:o

Logical Fallacy

christmas2012 wrote: »

when more and more people see it for the ignorance it spreads they will move away from it..

Once again I would dispute that.

Religion can adapt, and it does. The simple fact is that religion and it's institutions have outlives everyone and everything. Religions have been around longer than civilisation.

It's a human creation and I think it's a mistake to seperate it from humanity when it's part of us.

There will always be people somewhere who believe in some religion or other.

Pedant

In before Philologos.

steddyeddy

The catholic church are obsessed with homosexuality and sex in general.

Opticom

steddyeddy wrote: »

The catholic church are obsessed with homosexuality and sex in general.

Actually I find its detractors are far more obsessed, in 20+ years I've not heard a sermon about either.

steddyeddy

Opticom wrote: »

Actually I find its detractors are far more obsessed, in 20+ years I've not heard a sermon about either.

You havent heard the catholic church talk about homosexuality or sex?

Dyr

steddyeddy wrote: »

The catholic church are obsessed with homosexuality and sex in general.

That's like saying the garda's are obsessed with crime.

tis the churchs job to be obsessed with sin and perversion so tis

steddyeddy

Bambi wrote: »

That's like saying the garda's are obsessed with crime.

tis the churchs job to be obsessed with sin and perversion so tis

Homosexuality and sex are sins and perversions?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

steddyeddy wrote: »

Homosexuality and sex are sins and perversions?

Yes. Fun, but perverted.

steddyeddy

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Yes. Fun, but perverted.

Well I cant say homosexuality is fun but sex is!

getz

steddyeddy wrote: »

Well I cant say homosexuality is fun but sex is!

are you talking from experience ?

1ZRed

getz wrote: »

are you talking from experience ?

Gay sex>>>>>straight sex!


I've had it both ways to know:p

Dyr

steddyeddy wrote: »

Homosexuality and sex are sins and perversions?

rancid!! repulsive!! repugnant! WROOONNG!!!! :pac: