Rodney King Found Dead

arybvtcw0eolkf

Nodin wrote: »

He was known for waving an Iron bar at somebody.

Oh look KARMA!.

Nodin

Jairo Easy Neck wrote: »

Oh look KARMA!.

I'm reasonably sure they didn't just wave things at him in a scary way.

conor.hogan.2

Waving iron bar warrants repeatedly beating him?

I hope you don't teach kids "self defense". (call ad hominem, I am serious)

arybvtcw0eolkf

Nodin wrote: »

I'm reasonably sure they didn't just wave things at him in a scary way.

Ok an honest question.. What should the cops have done to a person resisting arrest.. I know what you think they shouldn't have done ~ laid into him.

But given the same circumstances, taser's didn't work. They didn't have the option of non-lethal bean bag rounds so what in your opinion would have subdued the guy?.

conor.hogan.2

Jairo Easy Neck wrote: »

what in your opinion would have subdued the guy?.

You mean the state troopers and the LAPD on the scene could not have subdued one man? (without beating him in the face repeatedly)

Fuinseog

Nodin wrote: »

Is there a beating where you weren't the cheerleader? Because at this stage its getting weird.

out of curiosity why did you give blind support to minorities all the time? you do not see to believe that they can do wrong lie the rest of humankind.

twinQuins

Fuinseog wrote: »

out of curiosity why did you give blind support to minorities all the time? you do not see to believe that they can do wrong lie the rest of humankind.

Because this is AH where de fordiners are always wrong, white people are oppressed in Western countries and knee-jerk reactionism is on the intellectual end of many responses.

Dyr

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

You mean the state troopers and the LAPD on the scene could not have subdued one man? (without beating him in the face repeatedly)

Eh...they tried the subduing approach and it didn't work, so they tazered him and that didn't work, so they gave a few licks of the timber and that didn't work, so they gave him another dose of the timber (and some shoe leather, very naughty) and then Rodney decided to get with the program and they stopped.

conor.hogan.2

Bambi wrote: »

Eh...they tried the subduing approach and it didn't work, so they tazered him and that didn't work, so they gave a few licks of the timber and that didn't work, so they gave him another dose of the timber (and some shoe leather, very naughty) and then Rodney decided to get with the program and they stopped.

Wasn't there 7 officers there, do you seriously think 7 of them with handcuffs could not control one man? (with little or no hits of a baton)

Nodin

Fuinseog wrote: »

out of curiosity why did you give blind support to minorities all the time? you do not see to believe that they can do wrong lie the rest of humankind.

Humankind is largely a collection of minorities in one way or another.

However - Allow me to illustrate what goes on here all too often.

'Yellow man does something wrong' - thread title.

'OP - blah blah, and this proves that all yellow people are baby eating bastards'

Thats illogical and wrong.

Nodin

Jairo Easy Neck wrote: »

Ok an honest question.. What should the cops have done to a person resisting arrest.. I know what you think they shouldn't have done ~ laid into him.

But given the same circumstances, taser's didn't work. They didn't have the option of non-lethal bean bag rounds so what in your opinion would have subdued the guy?.

Thats not quite the way it panned out. They appeared more intent in continually hitting the fecker than restraining him.
http://www.savevid.com/video/rodney-king-beating-video-04b29b.html

arybvtcw0eolkf

Nodin wrote: »

Thats not quite the way it panned out. They appeared more intent in continually hitting the fecker than restraining him.
http://www.savevid.com/video/rodney-king-beating-video-04b29b.html

First off thats a tiny clip compared to the full tape.

But even going on that, honestly I can see nothing wrong in what the LAPD officers action's.

Sure its not nice looking at someone take a beating, but as has been pointed out a number of times once King stopped resisting arrest he was hand cuffed and arrested.

What alternative did the officers have?.. You resist arrest so instead of using force to detain someone they just let him/her walk away?.

There has the be an ultimate deterent, and steps to take before that ~ ie verbal warnings, warning shots, containing shots, shots to injure and ultimately deadly force and I guess its the same when you work with batons.

Wasn't it after the LA riots that US police forces began equiping with non-lethal bean bag rounds?.

I'm not going to lose any sleep over him, but as unpleasant as his arrest was I do think the LAPD were justified in taking the steps they did.. Tbh, I think he's lucky he wasn't just shot.

conor.hogan.2

There was 7-10 officers, and at least 1 pair of handcuffs and several cars.

They could have restrained him without repeatedly hitting him or kicking him. Again I really really hope you do not teach kids "self defense".

mikemac1

Nodin wrote: »

all yellow people are baby eating bastards'

That's after hours

If the OP wanted serious debate it should have been posted in Humanities

mitchaul

Oh the humanity!!! (said in a shrill ladyboy voice)

Nodin

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

There was 7-10 officers, and at least 1 pair of handcuffs and several cars.

They could have restrained him without repeatedly hitting him or kicking him.

21 cops were there during the beating - its on page 31 of the PDF.

http://www.parc.info/client_files/Special%20Reports/1%20-%20Chistopher%20Commision.pdf

Nodin

mikemac1 wrote: »

That's after hours

If the OP wanted serious debate it should have been posted in Humanities

You think they aren't serious?

arybvtcw0eolkf

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

There was 7-10 officers, and at least 1 pair of handcuffs and several cars.

They could have restrained him without repeatedly hitting him or kicking him. Again I really really hope you do not teach kids "self defense".

Sigh, I'll give you my attention for a moment..

Sure one cop could have restrained him with a choke/sleeper hold.. But they're not allowed use them in the LAPD because they're considered dangerous.

Joint locks/manipulation work to an extent but are limited against a strong, violent person and so potentially dangerous to apply.

Batons mean's the officer can stand off and strike. Most people will submit very quickly there after, but if you contine being violent and resisting arrest then don't go looking for pity from me.

Now you keep sniping about self defence training ~ I don't teach self defence, but if I was to teach anyone anything about being arrested I'd tell them not to resist and do as they're told, simple as but as I said I don't teach the stuff.

Nodin

Jairo Easy Neck wrote: »

First off thats a tiny clip compared to the full tape.

But even going on that, honestly I can see nothing wrong in what the LAPD officers action's.

Sure its not nice looking at someone take a beating, but as has been pointed out a number of times once King stopped resisting arrest he was hand cuffed and arrested.

What alternative did the officers have?.. You resist arrest so instead of using force to detain someone they just let him/her walk away?.

There has the be an ultimate deterent, and steps to take before that ~ ie verbal warnings, warning shots, containing shots, shots to injure and ultimately deadly force and I guess its the same when you work with batons.

Wasn't it after the LA riots that US police forces began equiping with non-lethal bean bag rounds?.

I'm not going to lose any sleep over him, but as unpleasant as his arrest was I do think the LAPD were justified in taking the steps they did.. Tbh, I think he's lucky he wasn't just shot.

I posted the full length video earlier in the thread but youtube have removed it, because they're a shower of assholes. Its not any prettier.

I didn't say they shouldn't use force. However theres use of force to do a job and perform a function, and theres use of force for sheer thuggerys sake.

They primarily worked the body with the batons and not the legs. Its bog standard to go for the legs with the baton. Nobody attempted to get behind him on a number of occassions when he could have been restrained with a chokehold using the baton or whatever, including when he was on his hand and knees on the ground.

The 18 other cops who stood by watching didn't seem overly concerned for the safety of their colleagues.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Nodin wrote: »

They primarily worked the body with the batons and not the legs. Its bog standard to go for the legs with the baton. Nobody attempted to get behind him on a number of occassions when he could have been restrained with a chokehold using the baton or whatever, including when he was on his hand and knees on the ground.

I'm off sick with an ol' bug and really don't have the engery to go looking.

But I've read up on choke holds, including using them with a baton, and so far as I can recall they've been outlawed by most police forces (including the LAPD).

I'll just say this about choke's, and I've used them more times than I could ever remember ~ they're difficult to apply, but they're very effective and putting someone out cold. But its only for seconds, and they're disorientated for a bit longer.. But its enough time to apply cuff's or leg restraints so maybe cops should be allowed use them.

including when he was on his hand and knees on the ground

On the street, wearing boots/shoes I'd never go to the ground to apply a sleeper on anyone ~ not a chance in hell tbh.

conor.hogan.2

Jairo Easy Neck wrote: »

Sigh, I'll give you my attention for a moment..

Sure one cop could have restrained him with a choke/sleeper hold.. But they're not allowed use them in the LAPD because they're considered dangerous.

Joint locks/manipulation work to an extent but are limited against a strong, violent person and so potentially dangerous to apply.

Batons mean's the officer can stand off and strike. Most people will submit very quickly there after, but if you contine being violent and resisting arrest then don't go looking for pity from me.

Now you keep sniping about self defence training ~ I don't teach self defence, but if I was to teach anyone anything about being arrested I'd tell them not to resist and do as they're told, simple as but as I said I don't teach the stuff.

You don't have to choke him to restrain him, just because you know martial arts stop thinking it should be applied to everything.

21 officers could easily restrain one man, safely and with little to no harm to anyone.

Good, I am glad you don't teach it.

There was 10+ officers sitting back doing nothing, not one officer there was in any danger and they could have cuffed him very quickly with no more than one baton hit at most and then straight into one of the many patrol cars.

Nodin

Jairo Easy Neck wrote: »

I'm off sick with an ol' bug and really don't have the engery to go looking.

But I've read up on choke holds, including using them with a baton, and so far as I can recall they've been outlawed by most police forces (including the LAPD).

I'll just say this about choke's, and I've used them more times than I could ever remember ~ they're difficult to apply, but they're very effective and putting someone out cold. But its only for seconds, and they're disorientated for a bit longer.. But its enough time to apply cuff's or leg restraints so maybe cops should be allowed use them.

They're restricted in use by the LAPD but not totally outlawed.
http://laist.com/2008/10/30/lapd_officer_uses_blood_choke_on_su.php

They were using them as the first port of call, rather than one of the later ones it seems, hence a large number of deaths, lawsuits and the restriction.

arybvtcw0eolkf

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

21 officers could easily restrain one man, safely and with little to no harm to anyone.

21 officers could not easily restrain one man.

Two would be nice, three would be ideal after which it just turns into a mess.

But damn he was a big lad!.

Nodin

Jairo Easy Neck wrote: »

.........

On the street, wearing boots/shoes I'd never go to the ground to apply a sleeper on anyone ~ not a chance in hell tbh.

Not even with two others with ye?

Jairo Easy Neck wrote: »

I'm off sick with an ol' bug .

Immodium plus. Great man.

conor.hogan.2

Jairo Easy Neck wrote: »

21 officers could not easily restrain one man.

Two would be nice, three would be ideal after which it just turns into a mess.

But damn he was a big lad!.

I did not say all 21 should have tackled him at once, but with 21 there was very little danger so they had time to restrain him in the best way possible.

2 police units, with time and resources should not have resorted to multiple hits with batons and kicks.

He was not big enough to cause any real danger to 3 officers with 18 more behind them should he magically become the hulk.

VEN

is he still dead? Good.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Nodin wrote: »

Not even with two others with ye?

Using a choke, no. They are dangerous and you have to be able to feel your victim the person go limp and release the hold (then its not dangerous)

If you went after someone (to the ground) for a choke there's a pretty good chance a person of King's size and strength would reverse you and beat you up.

Immodium plus. Great man.

Paracetamol are doing the trick for the moment, thanks all the same.

Dyr

Jairo Easy Neck wrote: »

Sigh, I'll give you my attention for a moment..

Sure one cop could have restrained him with a choke/sleeper hold.. But they're not allowed use them in the LAPD because they're considered dangerous.

Joint locks/manipulation work to an extent but are limited against a strong, violent person and so potentially dangerous to apply.

Batons mean's the officer can stand off and strike. Most people will submit very quickly there after, but if you contine being violent and resisting arrest then don't go looking for pity from me.

Now you keep sniping about self defence training ~ I don't teach self defence, but if I was to teach anyone anything about being arrested I'd tell them not to resist and do as they're told, simple as but as I said I don't teach the stuff.

Technically most american police depts are allowed use sleeper holds but it's considered lethal force so it's at the top end of their use of force spectrum. The cops in the king arrest were able to show that they started at the bottom end of the spectrum and only escalated when the previous level of force failed. Went a big way to their acquittal I would say. That's not a great headline though :cool:

Nodin

VEN wrote: »

is he still dead? Good.

Yeah, you're a big man now, fair play to ye.

arybvtcw0eolkf

VEN wrote: »

is he still dead? Good.

Why?.

While I don't feel the least bit sorry that he's dead I wouldn't rejoice either.

conor.hogan.2

Jairo Easy Neck wrote: »

there's a pretty good chance a person of King's size and strength would reverse you and beat you up.

Then any single one of the 20 other officers would very quickly restrain him and cuff him.

If this was one on one the actions could be justified, possibly, but the sheer amount of officers shows they overreacted.

You can not say 21 police officers needed to repeatedly kick and baton a single man.

Nodin

Jairo Easy Neck wrote: »

.............



Paracetamol are doing the trick for the moment, thanks all the same.

All good. The other things are for gastric bugs. More expensive than a cork, but more comfortable in the long run.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Nodin wrote: »

All good. The other things are for gastric bugs. More expensive than a cork, but more comfortable in the long run.

This is just flu like... I feel like Rodney King after a bating, but without the compo :pac:

Nodin

Jairo Easy Neck wrote: »

This is just flu like... I feel like Rodney King after a bating, but without the compo :pac:

Or like him after he drank the compo.

VEN

Nodin wrote: »

Yeah, you're a big man now, fair play to ye.

thanks! anytime man!

conor.hogan.2

Jairo Easy Neck wrote: »

This is just flu like... I feel like Rodney King after a bating, but without the compo :pac:

You do not look like this, or even feel like this if it is just a flu

You shouldn't even be joking about it.

Delancey

Delancey wrote: »

Rodney King was a violent thug , jury were right to acquit the Police officers involved.

Well, the RUC and those police officers would have a lot in common?;)

arybvtcw0eolkf

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

You do not look like this, or even feel like this if it is just a flu

You shouldn't even be joking about it.

You're right I don't ~ because winking at the camera is so damned cheesy :pac:

flanders1979

Any sign of Barrymore near the pool?

arybvtcw0eolkf

flanders1979 wrote: »

Any sign of Barrymore near the pool?

King was bate around the road, not the ring

conor.hogan.2

The police officers thought they were in the ring by the looks of it.

Fuinseog

conor.hogan.2 wrote: »

Wasn't there 7 officers there, do you seriously think 7 of them with handcuffs could not control one man? (with little or no hits of a baton)

you would see the same amount of guards trying to subdue a delinquent. the difference is they have to ask the person nicely.