Unpopular wrestling opinions

DM_7

I thinks this forum needs more discussion of these things.

Maybe its time for an opinion on AJ Styles thread.

Then a Kurt Angle

Then Ryback

Then Miz

and so on... people could post vids or details of moments that made them think Yeah that was great or this guy is terrible. It could be like the superstars of the week thread only from a different angle.

DM-ICE

DM-ICE wrote: »

I thinks this forum needs more discussion of these things.

Maybe its time for an opinion on AJ Styles thread.

Then a Kurt Angle

Then Ryback

Then Miz

and so on... people could post vids or details of moments that made them think Yeah that was great or this guy is terrible. It could be like the superstars of the week thread only from a different angle.

Yeah I believe the forum has become fairly boring in the sense that there are no real topics of note being discussed....perhaps bring back the debate threads or like every week do a top ten of something like top ten worst characters top ten main events ever etc?

Sirsok

Sirsok wrote: »

Yeah I believe the forum has become fairly boring in the sense that there are no real topics of note being discussed....perhaps bring back the debate threads or like every week do a top ten of something like top ten worst characters top ten main events ever etc?

I started a thread last night called Obscure Wrestlers. It's where you think of a little known 'star' and post his pic and others have to guess who it is. It's not as in-depth as, say a discussion thread, but hopefully it keeps things ticking over. I agree we should try keep things active For example, it's tough when one Raw thread opens as discussion is happening in another.

Stereomaniac

I think that that thread wouldn't've happened had the Encyclopedia not been published. Perhaps?

Andersonisgod

Judging by the comments I've seen this might be an unpopular opinion.

AJ Styles is the finest wrestler in the western world since Chris Benoit and Shawn Michaels.

gnfnrhead

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Judging by the comments I've seen this might be an unpopular opinion.

AJ Styles is the finest wrestler in the western world since Chris Benoit and Shawn Michaels.

Where do you rank Bryan?

Andersonisgod

gnfnrhead wrote: »

Where do you rank Bryan?

Tbh I've never thought about it enough to have like a top 10 or anything. I'm sure if I did Bryan would be high on it given his work on the indies, ROH, in Japan and now in the WWE. However I wouldn't have him ahead of Styles.

DM_7

Tea Party discussion here http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056848311 - AJ Styles Opinions wanted.

gnfnrhead

Andersonisgod wrote: »

Tbh I've never thought about it enough to have like a top 10 or anything. I'm sure if I did Bryan would be high on it given his work on the indies, ROH, in Japan and now in the WWE. However I wouldn't have him ahead of Styles.

I didnt mean a full list at all, I just asked cause my version of that statement would say Bryan. Just curious if it was close for you.

GTR63

I like Power Slam there I said it.

Andersonisgod

gnfnrhead wrote: »

I didnt mean a full list at all, I just asked cause my version of that statement would say Bryan. Just curious if it was close for you.

Fair enough, I just mean that I never really put a lot of thought into it, I just considered Styles the best in that given time period. But ye I'd have Bryan right up there too.

jaykhunter

Jeff Hardy's new album is great, you suck!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTs_Tkv7UuY

GTR63

jaykhunter wrote: »

Jeff Hardy's new album is great, you suck!

I'm on my phone so can't view it does it have the 'One more Shot' song that is my guilty pleasure along with 'Longnecks and Rednecks'.
AH! It does and it has 'Another Me' two good tunes so far Jeff.

gnfnrhead

I also have to admit to liking a few of his songs.

lebowskilite

GTR63 wrote: »

I like Power Slam there I said it.

the magazine? I picked it up twice recently, really enjoyed it. Didnt know it existed until I was in Houston station looking for just about anything to read on the dublin-cork train.

764dak

The most intimidating wrestler isn't guys like Undertaker, Kane or Big Show. It's New Jack.

I want to see a feud between Santino and R truth

DM_7

connemara man wrote: »

I want to see a feud between Santino and R truth

Any reason?

gimmick

764dak wrote: »

The most intimidating wrestler isn't guys like Undertaker, Kane or Big Show. It's New Jack.

New Jack isn't a wrestler. He is a bona fide scumbag who should be in prison. he has no regard for the safety of those he would be in the ring with.

DM-ICE

DM-ICE wrote: »

Any reason?

IF and its a big IF its written and planned out well, I genuinely think it could be a good feud with entertaining promos a good comedy mid card feud, Lil Jimmy and all

Mick Murdock

The Undertaker character bores me to tears.. Would be glad if he retired!

Always thought Edge was terrible!

I generally enjoy the Divas contribution to the shows..

Still enjoying Kane/Bryan tag team - they're one of the best things in WWE in a long time! Not sure how unpopular that is..

Mick Murdock

Mick Murdock wrote: »

The Undertaker character bores me to tears.. Would be glad if retired

What did you think if the American Bad Ass and Big Evil?

SureYWouldntYa

CM Punk will never be a true star, he'll never come close to Rock Austin Cena HHH etc

DEFTLEFTHAND

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

CM Punk will never be a true star, he'll never come close to Rock Austin Cena HHH etc

I like him, his mic ability is obviously excellent and he's consistently good in the ring but like you I just don't see him as a top guy.

For me it all comes down to his physical size, I can't take him seriously when he's standing in the ring with somebody who's ripped, the guy looks emaciated.
I think this still is a big man's business.

Reebrock

Antonio Cesaro is boring in my estimation.

Muff_Daddy

SureYWouldntYa wrote: »

CM Punk will never be a true star, he'll never come close to Rock Austin Cena HHH etc

I have him above HHH.

Reebrock

Muff_Daddy wrote: »

I have him above HHH.

Lots of people though. Different fan eras I guess.

Deco99

- I like the Miz, I have an "I'm Awesome" T-shirt
- I think the dream match from the past if it was built properly would be Tatanka vs Crush (hawaian crush not demolition crush character) both as faces.
- I think rumble is better than 'mania (not sure how unpopular that is)
- I miss Maryse (not unpopular just saying is all)

Reebrock

Tatanka vs Crush probably happened in my Hasbro universe if that counts? Both dressed in the era you described

Mick Murdock

Omackeral wrote: »

What did you think if the American Bad Ass and Big Evil?

Really liked Taker during this time and imo both of these personas were huge big improvement! I really enjoy Paul Bearer though..


Other unpopular opinions from me.

Rock has been mostly terrible since his return. Fruity Pebbles, Cookiepuss, Twinkie Tits and the rest of his lame humour. It's no different to the stuff they saddle Cena (maybe it's of his own doing sometimes), Sheamo, Miz, Del Rio etc. with! For kids and idiots!

Aside from the PG rating of the shows, it just doesn't compare to his work in the Attitude Era. It also goes to show you can be one of the greatest talkers ever but without good writing it's just not the same. Rock himself doesn't seem like a very creative or interesting guy behind the Rock persona. He also has the worst Twitter account I have ever seen!

I did like most of what he did the other night on Raw (that seems quite unpopular from what I've read). His interaction with Heyman (even telling him to get his fat ass out of the ring) and Punk was delivered like vintage Rock.

Punk at his best is as good a talker as Rock or anybody else. He probably won't become a megastar like Hogan/Cena/Rock/Austin because of his look (the tattoo sleeves are not very Hollywood) more so than his size, although that has a part to play in it.. He is also predominantly a heel which doesn't help.

airmax87

Aj Isn't sexy

GTR63

Joey Styles was a crap commentator, a whiny annoying little voice.

the groutch

The whole Joseph Park thing has long since gotten boring, it was a bit of fun til his PPV match with Bully Ray, but should have stopped there.

GTR63

the groutch wrote: »

The whole Joseph Park thing has long since gotten boring, it was a bit of fun til his PPV match with Bully Ray, but should have stopped there.

DEFTLEFTHAND

I've a couple, I don't think TNA's live schedule will work in the long term, they don't do well on house shows, overrated people like Sting don't draw anymore (not like he did in NWA/WCW anyway) Kurt Angle is a shadow of his former himself at this stage and is no longer a draw.

My second gripe probably won't go down well but I don't want Taker involved in WM 29, I think there is too much deference given to him, WWE gave him the stupid gimmick and he was never that great of a worker to begin with. He's being riding off this bullsh!t for too long, he's 47 he should get his arse back in the ring with his goofy gimmick or just go and retire.

krudler

GTR63 wrote: »

Stone Cold should stay retired.

his last match was 10 years ago this Mania, I think its safe to say he's done. He's not doing a Ric Flair. There's a difference between in ring appearances/giving a few stunners every now and then and working a match. He's still a huge draw so having hm turn up every now and then benefits everyones.

gnfnrhead

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

I've a couple, I don't think TNA's live schedule will work in the long term, they don't do well on house shows, overrated people like Sting don't draw anymore (not like he did in NWA/WCW anyway) Kurt Angle is a shadow of his former himself at this stage and is no longer a draw.

But Hogan and especially Hardy very much are. You could argue the same thing about WWE. Cena is really the only draw there. The lack of Randy Orton wouldn't turn people off just like it wouldn't encourage more people to come. Cena is the only person* who would draw more people in by being advertised. It doesn't matter who else is advertised, your mind is already made up.

* full time only.

TNA have always done pretty well when taking the show on the road. It will be rough at times but overall it's a much better solution.

GTR63

Rock beating Punk genuinely didn't bother me and I think if it had of been Brock that beat Punk there wouldn't of been half the bitching.

smilerf

Ric flair is overrated. Imho it was the caliber of his competitor that made him look good aka steamboat race Rhodes etc

BobbyR

Never really minded flair but him and hogan need to walk away their time is long gone.

lebowskilite

BobbyR wrote: »

Never really minded flair but him and hogan need to walk away their time is long gone.

In fairness to Flair I think he's finally sussed that.

takamichinoku

Mick Murdock wrote: »

Rock has been mostly terrible since his return. Fruity Pebbles, Cookiepuss, Twinkie Tits and the rest of his lame humour. It's no different to the stuff they saddle Cena (maybe it's of his own doing sometimes), Sheamo, Miz, Del Rio etc. with! For kids and idiots!

Aside from the PG rating of the shows, it just doesn't compare to his work in the Attitude Era. It also goes to show you can be one of the greatest talkers ever but without good writing it's just not the same. Rock himself doesn't seem like a very creative or interesting guy behind the Rock persona. He also has the worst Twitter account I have ever seen!

I believe Rock has his own personal writer this time around, like, Brian Gewirtz is being kept around solely to write for the Rock. Think he may have been writing for him for a large portion of the Rock's prime as well.
The writers in WWE, all the former ones you hear elsewhere anyways, seem to think they're absolutely hilarious guys, they all seem as bad as each other really. I guess you might have to be some kind of awful human to survive in the work environment.

I like his twitter, it's the only part of his whole PR machine where he comes across naturally. Seems like a bit of a mental self-help guru type, but it seems to be a genuine kind of madness.
...besides, everyone knows the worst twitter is Ricky Gervais's.

smilerf

I don't get the Alex Riley hate. think he is ok and could be well over now
ye his own fault but wwe gave up too

GTR63

Can't help but feel Bruno was bought to get in the HOF(yeah he deserves to be in) but with the 6 figure payday plus his movie he looks like a sellout tbh.

Ando's Saggy Bottom

GTR63 wrote: »

Can't help but feel Bruno was bought to get in the HOF(yeah he deserves to be in) but with the 6 figure payday plus his movie he looks like a sellout tbh.

Sellout? Would you stop. A six figure sum for doing nothing basically? Fair f*cks to him. Everyone else gets a sh*tty ring for going into the HOF and a few mins to make a crap speech. Bruno gets a shedload in money and does it on his terms. Good for him.

Mr.Saturn

Not to derail this and all that, but wouldn't the fact that the WWE had to overhaul their entire programming to convice him make Sammartino the polar opposite of a sell-out?

Granted, I'm not suggesting that the move to PG had anything other than lucrative toy deals, ad time and the live bottom-line behind it, but yes, Bruno stuck to his principles, and it was the 'E that changed their position, not him. He has gone on record many times that he'd be open to the HoF if WWE reconsidered their approach to drugs and the sexual overtones that was prevalent in their product, and they did.

Kudos to him for making the most of the renewed spotlight too.

krudler

Pete Campbell wrote: »

Sellout? Would you stop. A six figure sum for doing nothing basically? Fair f*cks to him. Everyone else gets a sh*tty ring for going into the HOF and a few mins to make a crap speech. Bruno gets a shedload in money and does it on his terms. Good for him.

"Selling out" is one thing I genuinely don't understand about wrestling, how often in the ECW days did you hear people chanting "you sold out!" at wrestlers moving to bigger more secure paydays, or at Brock and Goldberg during their match, nobody is indebted to be a wrestler forever, but some fans seem to think they are.
Like how dare they do something else instead of being hurt every other night for less pay than making a movie or whatever other business venture they go into. There's more guys who let the business use them than they use the business, who have short runs, make their money and leave to do something else, instead of winding up drug or drink addicts eeking out a living hawking autographs and shoot interviews years after their prime.

Bruno stuck to his guns for years, not like guys like Flair who insult a promotion one minute then go work for them the next, although I suppose all those ex wives won't support themselves.

GTR63

Pete Campbell wrote: »

Sellout? Would you stop. A six figure sum for doing nothing basically? Fair f*cks to him. Everyone else gets a sh*tty ring for going into the HOF and a few mins to make a crap speech. Bruno gets a shedload in money and does it on his terms. Good for him.

Oh i`d hardly turn it down myself (Ok GTR the movie would be an unnecessary total mess)but the wellness policy and PG direction were hardly done recently with the intent to woo Bruno. But it looks bad when you hear what he`s getting and the rest are getting the standard HOF conditions.

lebowskilite

what IS he getting?

Reebrock

"You sold out chants" don't bother me, just fans being passionate. Like people who talk about "their" football team.